[00:02:13] <DarkoNeko>	 eh, congrats
[00:26:12] <aude>	 Thehelpfulone: yay!
[00:26:28] <Thehelpfulone>	 :)
[00:26:52] <aude>	 we'll see about moving the 66 pages in Denny's userspace
[00:27:28] <aude>	 or just leave it as is now, and work on a brief central notice (logged in)
[00:28:33] <Thehelpfulone>	 I've got a script that could do some moving if you like?
[00:28:56] <Thehelpfulone>	 the new move feature in MediaWiki isn't so good if you want to do mass pokes
[00:29:00] <Thehelpfulone>	 mass moves*
[00:29:10] <Thehelpfulone>	 but hey, mass poking is not easy either!
[00:30:14] <aude>	 not necessary i think, but if you really want to then ok
[00:30:27] * aude  doesn't want to break the voting pages

[00:31:30] <Thehelpfulone>	 sure, well I won't be doing anything today, I'm off to sleep soon, so if do want anything moving I'll be back in the evening UTC tomorrow (4 July)
[00:31:46] <Thehelpfulone>	 although I imagine all the americans will be busier doing more exciting things
[01:03:50] <aude>	 Thehelpfulone: i'll be working, at least in the morning
[09:32:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "hiding contentSub and mw-jump elements specifically on the item page removing the layout gap" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14038
[09:41:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "Language stickiness now causes cache fragmentation." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14073
[09:45:24] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14038
[10:01:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "added further selenium tests you'll need to register an additional user, see configuration.yml.sample" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14179
[10:02:27] <TobiasG_WMDE>	 Jens_WMDE: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14179
[10:27:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Henning Snater; "Unit tests are failing." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14073
[10:49:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: John Erling Blad; "Solves part of https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37776 (not for aliases) and https://ge..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14032
[10:53:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jens Ohlig; "Works." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14179
[10:53:43] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jens Ohlig; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14179
[11:10:37] <thereFOUR>	 is there any way to help the project?
[11:21:27] <Denny_WMDE>	 thereFOUR: plenty
[11:21:36] <Denny_WMDE>	 vote for a logo :) that is the easiest right now
[11:21:48] <Denny_WMDE>	 and then depends on what you want to contribute
[11:21:57] <Denny_WMDE>	 it is all open source, so you can contribute code
[11:22:06] <Denny_WMDE>	 or just read our notes and design and provide comments
[11:22:19] <Denny_WMDE>	 the project itself is still in its infancy
[11:22:32] <Denny_WMDE>	 once we start for real, there will be many more opportunities
[11:22:35] <thereFOUR>	 I can contribute code, if needed
[11:23:08] <Denny_WMDE>	 i am pointing you to Lydia_WMDE
[11:23:27] <Denny_WMDE>	 she has an overview where someone can help best
[11:23:35] <Denny_WMDE>	 one way is to take a look at our API
[11:23:51] <Denny_WMDE>	 and figure out how the different wikipedia bot frameworks would fit onto it
[11:24:10] <Denny_WMDE>	 this then depends on your programming languages
[11:24:12] * Lydia_WMDE  waves

[11:24:22] <Denny_WMDE>	 i know there are bots in java, python, c#, php
[11:24:22] * Jens_WMD1  waves back

[11:24:29] <Denny_WMDE>	 or you can go for the code itself
[11:24:30] <Lydia_WMDE>	 thereFOUR: did you see the blue box on [[Wikidata]] already?
[11:24:30] <AsimovBot>	 10[1] 10http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata
[11:24:33] <Denny_WMDE>	 try to install it locally
[11:24:44] <Denny_WMDE>	 checkout our bugzilla cue and see if there is something you want to touch
[11:24:50] <Denny_WMDE>	 or see if you want to add something yourself
[11:25:35] <thereFOUR>	 ok
[11:25:56] <Denny_WMDE>	 Lydia_WMDE: btw, i changed the color on that box to lighten it up a bit, I hope you don't mind :)
[11:26:12] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Denny_WMDE: i saw ;-)  looks better now
[11:26:20] <Denny_WMDE>	 thereFOUR: if you are at Wikimania
[11:26:24] <Denny_WMDE>	 we will have a hackathon before that
[11:26:34] <thereFOUR>	 sadly I won't be there
[11:26:37] <Denny_WMDE>	 pity
[11:26:59] <Denny_WMDE>	 so if you need any help with getting started
[11:27:05] <Denny_WMDE>	 let us know here
[12:23:51] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14031
[12:31:26] <thereFOUR>	 hm, followed installation instructions for Wikidata, Special:CreateItem still returns a blank page (no error message)
[12:33:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Remove multilingual labels and descriptions when they are set to empty strings." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14032
[12:51:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Remove multilingual labels and descriptions when they are set to empty strings." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14032
[12:53:59] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: John Erling Blad; "Find some other way to do this (eg. write a note that in some cases the tables must be physically dr..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/13854
[13:00:51] <Denny_WMDE>	 therefour|away: that shouldnt be
[13:01:07] <Denny_WMDE>	 you set up a new local wiki, and got this behaviour?
[13:01:35] <therefour|away>	 yes
[13:01:59] <jeremyb>	 Lydia_WMDE: and Denny_WMDE: around?
[13:02:08] <Denny_WMDE>	 jeremyb: am
[13:02:14] <Lydia_WMDE>	 jep
[13:02:24] <Denny_WMDE>	 therefour|away: testing against current version myself
[13:02:25] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14032
[13:02:39] <jeremyb>	 mutante's working on it now in #wikimedia-operations
[13:03:11] <jeremyb>	 i have to run in the subway in a couple mins. feel free to poke in there and test when he's done, or answer his questions, etc.
[13:03:37] <jeremyb>	 back later for a small bit and then gone from a while starting from 16:20 your time
[13:03:38] <Denny_WMDE>	 ok joining the channel
[13:03:48] <Denny_WMDE>	 thanks for the shepherding sofar jeremyb
[13:04:09] <jeremyb>	 it's been a long trip! ;)
[13:04:40] <Denny_WMDE>	 the trip is the goal, no…? ;)
[13:05:14] <jeremyb>	 errr, /me follows not
[13:05:17] * jeremyb  runs away

[13:05:33] <Denny_WMDE>	 therefour|away: hmm, works for me
[13:05:51] <Denny_WMDE>	 you used a fresh mediawiki install or on top of an existing one?
[13:06:19] <therefour|away>	 a fresh install
[13:08:55] <Denny_WMDE>	 and i assume you did what is said on the setup page
[13:09:13] <Denny_WMDE>	 i.e. switched to the wikidata branch on core, the script, etc.
[13:10:01] <Denny_WMDE>	 does empty page mean a blank page, or what do you actually get on Special:CreateItem?
[13:11:38] <therefour|away>	 a blank page
[13:17:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Special pages display useful link labels for data item links now." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/13931
[13:20:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: John Erling Blad; "Seems to be working, but produce ugly output because of missing fallback languages." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/13931
[13:20:50] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/13931
[13:21:46] <Denny_WMDE>	 could you add the following line to your localsettings:
[13:21:57] <Denny_WMDE>	 error_reporting(E_ALL| E_STRICT);
[13:21:58] <Denny_WMDE>	 ini_set("display_errors", 1);
[13:22:30] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/13878
[13:26:26] <Denny_WMDE>	 and then try again, therefour|away
[13:29:15] <thereFOUR>	 I think I did something wrong so I'm reinstalling from scratch
[13:30:59] <Denny_WMDE>	 ok
[13:31:02] <Denny_WMDE>	 let me know how it goes
[13:31:18] <Denny_WMDE>	 there haven't been that many yet trying it out 
[13:31:30] <Denny_WMDE>	 by the way, do not be disappointed :) right now wikidata is just about language links
[13:31:34] <Denny_WMDE>	 don't expect too much :)
[13:33:35] <thereFOUR>	 I know, I've seen it at the demo wiki :D
[13:33:44] <Denny_WMDE>	 cool :)
[13:33:57] <Denny_WMDE>	 i am just thinking loud
[13:34:01] <Denny_WMDE>	 you know what would be cool?
[13:34:20] <Denny_WMDE>	 a special page where you can see all the items with a label in one language, but missing in the other
[13:34:29] <Denny_WMDE>	 for people who can translate
[13:34:44] <thereFOUR>	 hmm, that could be cool, yes
[13:34:47] <Denny_WMDE>	 and special pages can be developed pretty much stand alone
[13:35:23] <Denny_WMDE>	 just speaking loud
[13:35:34] <Denny_WMDE>	 if you like to do something else, feel free
[13:35:42] <Denny_WMDE>	 just trying to offer ideas :)
[13:37:04] <Denny_WMDE>	 or some javascriptlet
[13:37:13] <Denny_WMDE>	 a button that goes through the sitelinks
[13:37:18] <Denny_WMDE>	 and checks if they are valid
[13:37:23] <Denny_WMDE>	 and marks those that are not
[13:37:32] <Denny_WMDE>	 i better shut up
[13:43:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Moved string handling functions to Utils." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14194
[13:46:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Remove sites core since it got moved to core and update references [DO NOT SUBMIT YET]" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14195
[13:58:13] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14056
[13:59:10] <Denny_WMDE>	 off for a while for demo time
[14:02:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Moved string handling functions to Utils." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14194
[14:03:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Moved string handling functions to Utils." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14194
[14:28:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Raimond Spekking; "Suggestion for using a message from core" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/13931
[16:03:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jens Ohlig; "You know. This is just a test review. To get chocolate." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14083
[16:04:00] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Tobias Gritschacher; "Now, that they are in Utils, please add tests for those functions in UtilsTests.php." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14194
[16:07:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: John Erling Blad; "The patch set is about moving the functions, not testing them." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14194
[16:17:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Moved string handling functions to Utils." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14194
[17:15:11] <linnea>	 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/fi why this box is green when it's blue in english
[17:19:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "added basic selenium testing for search functionality" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14202
[17:19:58] <linnea>	 or maybe i should ask that in meta channel
[17:24:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "fixed class-names in display of searchresults" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14203
[17:33:24] <aude>	 linnea: the page needs to be marked for translation
[17:33:29] <aude>	 someone changed the color
[17:58:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Moved string handling functions to Utils." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14194
[19:29:32] <Denny_WMDE>	 linnea: aude|away: i changed the color. i found the green to dark to read
[19:30:52] <aude|away>	 Denny_WMDE: it's all good now
[19:31:08] <aude|away>	 the page had to be marked for translation (done)
[19:32:11] <aude|away>	 Denny_WMDE: i'm taking the evening off to see fireworks.  i'll be around maybe when i get home and tomorrow
[19:32:51] <Denny_WMDE>	 kk
[19:32:55] <aude|away>	 later :)
[19:33:00] <Denny_WMDE>	 enjoy
[19:33:07] <Denny_WMDE>	 happy 4th of uly
[19:33:09] <aude|away>	 i'm poking at jeroen's core changes
[19:33:14] <aude|away>	 seeing if any issues
[19:33:46] <Denny_WMDE>	 good
[19:33:51] <Denny_WMDE>	 reviewing is awesome :)
[19:33:53] <aude|away>	 one question is if the database schema changes should support more than just mysql and sqlite
[19:34:03] <aude|away>	 postgres should be easy
[19:34:11] <aude|away>	 not sure what the guidelines are
[19:36:23] <aude|away>	 left a review and will look more later or tomorrow
[19:37:09] <aude|away>	 alright, really leaving
[21:38:21] <Krinkle>	 Hi
[21:38:44] <Krinkle>	 Just came across something interesting you may want to know. it'll make you "appreciate" the work around until wikidata is a reality
[21:38:45] <Krinkle>	 http://browsehappy.com/
[21:39:01] <Krinkle>	 Pretty straight forward. Except that it hasn't been updated in 3 years. Yet it is all up to date
[21:39:08] <Krinkle>	 *drumroll* "wikidata"
[21:39:19] <Krinkle>	 https://github.com/WordPress/browsehappy
[21:39:51] <Krinkle>	 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&rvprop=content&format=jsonfm&titles=Template:Latest_stable_software_release/Firefox
[21:39:57] <Krinkle>	 {{LSR\n| article = Firefox\n| latest release version = 13.0.1\n|
[21:40:14] <Krinkle>	  strpos( $data, 'latest_release_version' ) ) || ( false !== $pos = strpos( $data, 'latest release version' ) ) )
[21:40:15] <Krinkle>	 etc.
[21:40:56] <Krinkle>	 https://github.com/WordPress/browsehappy/blob/master/functions.php