[00:19:23] hi there, is there anyone? [00:20:06] ok, just to say that I dropped a few lines at the Italian Village pump about being the second WP project to test Wikidata [10:58:59] Hi.. i'm new to the wikidata development area.. I need to checkout the mediawiki from git.. [10:59:16] what git gui do you guys recommend for mac ? [11:28:14] hey jsixface [11:28:36] almost everyone is enjoying their sunday it seems [11:28:46] you might have more luck with general questions in [11:28:49] #mediawiki [11:29:46] hi there [11:30:34] :) [11:30:38] sure [11:30:55] Lydia_WMDE: may I disturb you for a second? [11:31:05] Sannita: sure [11:31:31] at the Italian village pump we're discussing about being the 2nd project to test wikidata [11:31:41] oh [11:31:41] cool [11:31:49] got a link for me maybe? [11:31:57] sure http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bar/Discussioni/Inizio_dei_test_di_Wikidata:_ci_facciamo_avanti%3F [11:31:59] thx [11:32:05] but it's in italian :) [11:32:12] * Lydia_WMDE praises the mightly google translate [11:32:13] :P [11:32:24] (i also know latin and some spanish) [11:32:31] anyway, there are some questions about timing and... well, what we'll have to do practically [11:32:38] ok [11:32:53] anything in particular you need my answers to? [11:33:27] just to answer to the questions of the Italians :) [11:33:38] the general orientation is favourable [11:33:48] but someone fears tests in August :) [11:34:02] which is the "holiday month" par excellence in Italy [11:34:08] ok let me quickly read everything and then i'll get back to you [11:34:21] take your time, and thanks :) [11:34:44] Lydia_WMDE yesterday i wrote on wikidata-l about this issue. we would like to be the second wiki, after hungarians. :) [11:34:57] nickanc: i saw! :) [11:35:03] it's really cool [11:36:42] can someone provide me the link of the ML' [11:36:45] *? [11:37:24] sannita https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l [11:37:35] tnx [11:38:19] Sannita: ok so yes - i see no chance for the second test happening in august - things are simply not moving that fast [11:38:34] so feel free to clear those doubts - the second one will not be in august :) [11:38:44] as for what is to be done during testing: [11:39:09] basically moving interwiki links to wikidata and keeping a close eye on anything that breaks [11:39:14] and letting the team know about it [11:39:32] i don't expect anything major for the second one but you never know.... [11:39:50] also Sannita and nickanc: there's one other thing you should know: [11:40:19] someone from the hebrew wikipedia approached us about them being a early tester too [11:40:22] Lydia_WMDE: that is... [11:40:30] ah, ok [11:40:37] I mean, there's no prob for us [11:40:52] they would be good at the beginning especially because they're a left-to-right language that might uncover a few more bugs that don't know up in hungarian (and italian) [11:41:00] just wanted you to know that [11:41:06] but wohooooooo! [11:41:10] I also immediately thought of it [11:41:22] * Lydia_WMDE is so happy to see you folks and the hungarian and hebrew wikipedia step up to this [11:41:30] and probably solving NOW r-t-l problems would be great [11:41:39] exactly [11:41:45] on the other hand, we're kind of a "big" project [11:41:51] Lydia_WMDE: it.wiki would be interesting because it has many interwiki conflicts. I proposed because wikidata testing could be a moment to fix them [11:41:52] *nod* [11:42:05] and most of us are *eagerly* waiting for Wikidata [11:42:06] nickanc: oh? tell me more please [11:42:15] Sannita: hah! that's most important [11:42:32] nickanc pointed it out for me [11:43:25] Lydia_WMDE lets try with an example. suppose it.wiki article points to an article in en and an article in de. but de article doesn't point to the same en article of it. and so on [11:43:37] Oo [11:43:38] ok [11:43:44] sounds messy :P [11:43:51] there are many cases of these things. (not only with de in the example) [11:43:54] * Sannita will probably need to leave anytime soon... in case, see you later [11:44:35] nickanc: do you know the reason for that? is it actual errors or difference in lemmas? [11:44:40] actually it happened to me that I wrote an article which pointed to en.wp and es.wp, but those two projects weren't linked to each other... :) [11:44:55] (same title, btw) [11:44:58] -.- [11:45:59] Lydia_WMDE: both. of course errors are simpler for bots to correct. [11:46:09] *nod* [11:46:41] in a moment ill find an example. let me check [11:46:52] ok [11:46:53] thx [11:50:19] https://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Musica_microtonale&diff=51391604&oldid=50276988 <-- this was a thing i corrected: it article about microtonal music pointing to es about microtones, pointing to en about microtonal music. [11:52:28] but es had in fact an article about microtonal music, so i changed interwikis [11:54:09] I didnt find the reason of so many conflicts. I would think there have been errors both by bots and persons. [11:54:28] Lydia_WMDE ↑ [11:54:36] * Lydia_WMDE looks [11:55:08] nickanc: ok cool [11:55:10] and strange [11:55:11] :D [11:55:26] keep me updated please on how the discussion is going :) [11:58:23] Lydia_WMDE: I am very interested in testing wikidata in it.wiki because I would like to fix these issues. Moreover, we have many infoboxes with datas (e.g. european towns features) we would like to put on wikidata. template-tiger by sk could help. :) [11:58:49] :) [11:58:51] great [11:59:58] also we have lots of datas about biographies [12:00:21] because we have [[Template:Bio]] which is more complex than {{Persondata}} [12:00:21] 10[1] 10http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Bio13 => [12:00:23] 10[2] 10http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Persondata [12:00:27] lol [12:00:43] ok, s/meta.wikimedia.org/it.wikipedia.org [12:00:53] anyway, got to go [12:00:56] see you later [12:03:00] cya :) [12:03:09] Lydia_WMDE: to have an idea of datas that could be imported from various projs, i would suggest to try to convince Kolossos and sk in updating templatetiger: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Diskussion:WikiProjekt_Vorlagenauswertung/en#updating_dumps [12:03:44] nickanc: we're actually very very careful with importing data at the beginning [12:04:01] the reason for this is that to have a chance at being maintainable wikidata needs a community [12:04:05] just like wikipedia [12:04:12] and that needs to grow slowly [12:04:30] so we're not necessarily aiming to have a huge amount of data right from the start [12:04:42] but instead take it slowly and grow a community [12:05:16] hehehe! right. my suggestion, anyway, was just in order to have more statistics to get an idea about which projs are better to start with, not to start with everything. :) [12:06:16] *nod* [12:06:37] have you seen [[Wikidata/Data_collaborators]] already? [12:06:37] 10[3] 10http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Data_collaborators [12:07:05] theoretically, projs with more average tmps per page are projs that will need more work, but also that will giv more datas to the proj. Reading [12:07:19] yeah [12:07:50] i think it would indeed be helpful to have some data on where to get data from in the wikipedias [12:08:01] but i am not entirely sure how to measure that [12:08:05] Lydia_WMDE: I see you guys are discussing licensing of data issues. You probably want to have a chat with Europeana about that [12:08:18] They had similar issues and decided to switch everything to CC0 [12:08:35] multichill: in fact i think daniel already did (or denny?) [12:08:51] I think I suggested this before [12:08:53] and yeah - the dev team wants to start with cc0 [12:09:06] for that measure de.wp (and also it, en ecc. when they will be updated) has a great tool: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProjekt_Vorlagenauswertung/en [12:09:11] personally i think everything else would be a pita [12:09:13] Otherwise you'll get into some sort of infinite licensing loop [12:09:32] but of course if the community in the end decides differently then that's what will happen [12:09:36] yeah [12:09:47] nickanc: aha! thx [12:11:05] multichill: i wonder if it would make sense to start a page where the different options could be collected and we have arguments for and against each of them in one place [12:11:43] I think it would make sense to collect this otherwise you'll end up having the same conversation over and over again [12:12:04] *nod* [12:12:17] ok - i'll have a chat with denny tomorrow and see what he thinks [12:12:42] brb - laundry [12:19:34] wow, people here on the weekend :) [12:19:42] * aude waves [12:20:56] * nickanc waves back ;)