[08:10:18] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Add lastrevid unconditionally in item-changing api modules" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19432 [08:25:24] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Use or ignore revid and other info in wbsetitem" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19210 [08:40:50] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Use or ignore revid and other info in wbsetitem" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19210 [08:51:45] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Added module for "wblinktitles" with a test for the creation and non-creation of items." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16819 [08:57:56] Jens_WMDE: are you working on the undo stuff now? [09:13:43] New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "client-repo selenium test: some fixes to be more stable" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19434 [09:13:51] Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19434 [10:31:28] New patchset: Henning Snater; "always enabling cancel button when in edit mode" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19440 [10:33:41] Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19210 [11:03:43] New patchset: Henning Snater; "filling the html title with the label" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19443 [11:19:32] aude, Lydia_WMDE : my usual nitpick: [11:20:00] but first, Hallo! [11:20:08] Any news about the link from the article to the interlanguage link editor? [11:54:50] aharoni: hey [11:54:56] sorry was away for lunch [11:55:04] aharoni: i'll bug aude again [11:56:34] it seems s.o. is testing a pywikipediabot script for wikidata [11:57:11] nickanc: oh cool [11:57:15] got a link or something? [11:58:02] no, just Basilicofresco (another it.wp bot runner) told so on it.wp [11:58:11] ah ok [11:58:35] i dont know neither who is testing nor what is s/he testing [11:58:51] maybe i try to get informations [11:59:10] aharoni: it's just a link to the item page on wikidata [11:59:22] should be there when we update test systems tomorrow [11:59:22] aude: great, can I see it anywhere? [11:59:30] tomorrow! cool! [11:59:36] nickanc: that'd be cool :) [11:59:43] {{doing}} [11:59:43] 10[1] 10http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:doing [11:59:46] as soon as it's there, I'm starting the big discussion in he.wikipedia. [11:59:51] \o/ [12:00:08] aharoni: anything else you need from our side for that? [12:00:21] probably not. [12:00:28] excellent [12:00:31] I'm learning the Italian page that Luca sent me. [12:01:12] Any news about the bots' readiness for Wikidata will be very welcome, but it's not a blocker currently. [12:02:13] Lydia_WMDE: What I mean to say is that it *is* a bit of a blocker for development, but it is not a blocker to start wider testing on the demo site. [12:02:24] s/development/deployment/ [12:02:38] *nod* [12:02:43] hi there [12:02:46] hi aharoni :) [12:02:48] ciao, sannita [12:02:49] hey Sannita [12:02:56] hi Lydia_WMDE [12:03:17] I'm trying to get even with the loads of mails you sent on the ML :P [12:03:30] lol [12:03:30] aharoni: can i resubmit my ULS patch? [12:03:31] sorry [12:03:45] (good grief, one cannot be offline for more than 72 hours) :P [12:03:46] aude: i'll do it myself [12:03:51] the langdb is a big mess now :) [12:03:58] aharoni: ok [12:04:17] Sannita: offline for 72 hours? how did you survive??? :D [12:05:16] Lydia_WMDE: I was at the seaside with my family :D [12:05:37] hmmmm sounds good [12:06:03] the yaml stuff got moved? and looks interesting with the autonyms stuff [12:06:06] aharoni: [12:06:22] yes, and it doesn't pass the tests. [12:06:23] * aude talk in i18n channel [12:12:42] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Added module for "wblinktitles" with a test for the creation and non-creation of items." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16819 [12:13:33] lydia_WMDE anyway, wikidata links (and interlinks too) will be sthg like {{wikidata:oxygen}} in the page text, right? [12:13:33] 10[2] 10http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:wikidata:oxygen [12:14:50] nickanc: i think you want http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Inclusion_syntax [12:15:02] nickanc: for interwiki links there doesn't need to be anything in the articles anymore [12:15:11] but there are some magic words to turn it off for example [12:15:22] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Module wblinktitles for connecting exteernal pages with items." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16819 [12:15:52] tyvm :) [12:16:15] automagically will include interwiki links :) [12:19:39] Sannita: Wikidata è una notizia epocale anche a mio parere :) [12:19:57] aharoni: :D [12:23:14] aharoni: wikidata cambier� wikipedia [12:24:42] Wikimedia Tedesca FTW ;) [12:25:37] Sannita: che cosa vuol dire "vdq"? [12:25:50] aharoni: "voce di qualità" [12:25:57] grazie. [12:26:03] di nulla ;) [12:26:21] (for people who don't know Italian: we are discussing the community discussions about Wikidata in the Italian Wikipedia.) [12:26:32] (at least I am ;) ) [12:26:51] well, we already know what we said :P [12:27:39] actually, aharoni, you brought a lot of good points in discussion [12:28:13] but I'm not sure that will be an actual problem the part about translations [12:28:46] I mean, it won't be THAT serious [12:29:08] I thought I heard something about flagged revs for editing wikidata, am I wrong? [12:30:26] Sannita: yeah some people want that but what they really want it to make sure that not too much BS is getting into wikidata [12:30:38] we'll have to figure out good ways for the second phase to address that [12:30:56] *nod* [12:31:04] we have some ideas but more are very welcome [12:31:30] I have a question, is it good anyway? :P [12:31:43] sure [12:31:44] ask away [12:31:58] is Wikidata going to use the {{Cite $whatever}} templates for sources or... ? [12:32:12] in the repository? [12:32:16] yep [12:32:34] I mean, when you have to add sources [12:32:36] i don't think that's been figured out yet [12:32:46] when you add resources it'll be in a form [12:32:54] like the language links now [12:33:01] ah, ok, got it [12:33:08] yeah, probably it'll be better [12:34:56] Lydia_WMDE flaggedrevs are dangerous for a newborn project: control slows growth. [12:35:10] nickanc: totally [12:35:20] nickanc: which is why we're thinking hard about this [12:35:31] this being malicious edits and the like [12:35:41] we don't want them of course [12:35:47] but... [12:36:05] also, if we feel unsafe, it is better sthg like ClueBot NG or similar [12:36:17] *nod* [12:37:06] nickanc: you know what - i'll have a chat with Denny about it first but I think we should have a page to brainstorm about this [12:37:09] New patchset: Henning Snater; "proper implementation of re-focussing site links add button after adding" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19449 [12:37:10] i'll get back to you on it [12:37:38] +1 [12:38:02] i am sure we can come up with some pretty creative things that deal with the problem without crippling the project [12:49:21] New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "added additional check for logout in protected page test to tackle an issue with the test in some chrome versions" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19451 [12:49:28] Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19451 [12:53:47] if anyone has any tips on improving the logo on http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata let me know please [12:54:00] as in positioning/size/... [12:54:41] New review: Henning Snater; "You might want to add a SiteIdInterface test querying the result set by passing only one character." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19236 [13:01:11] * aharoni is so happy to have taken those courses in the Italian embassy in Tel-Aviv [13:01:29] you never know how a language will be useful one day [13:03:17] * aharoni loves the Italian word "sviluppatori" (developers) [13:04:22] New review: Henning Snater; "The changes to wikibase.css in commit b795a5b2ed826d3b6e7feff39695bf7ac9c8a144 actually caused the b..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19388 [13:07:39] Sannita: "c'è bisogno di una massa critica minima, o bastano quattro gatti?" [13:07:47] gatti?? [13:08:07] "do we need a critical mass, or are four cats enough?" [13:08:17] aharoni: it's a common saying [13:08:21] "quattro gatti" = "a few individuals" [13:08:27] sempre quattro? [13:08:44] di solito sono quattro, non so perché si dice così [13:12:14] aharoni cats are a common feature of many italian proverbs: https://it.wiktionary.org/wiki/gatto [13:14:15] * aharoni should have checked Wiktionary. [13:14:27] Wiktironary gives me more and more good surprises lately. [13:23:35] "Finalmente gli interlink-bot potranno andare in pensione." :) [13:29:45] New patchset: Aude; "fix onArticleDeleteComplete to use EntitytDeletion rather than ItemDeletion" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19455 [13:53:42] aude, just sanity-checking: the Hebrew translations will be included in the demo upgrade tomorrow, right? [13:59:39] New review: John Erling Blad; "No failures, manual checks looks good." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19449 [13:59:39] Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19449 [14:02:31] New patchset: Aude; "Undo and restore for items" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17057 [14:06:41] aharoni: yes :) [14:07:56] aude, can you tell me a little about the demo system? [14:08:09] is it just one English client wiki and one repo wiki? [14:12:05] Ah, actually some Hebrew translation are already in the repo. [14:12:35] New review: Aude; "can submit qqq stuff in a follow-up patch, patch has been rebased against master and shall be merged!" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17057 [14:12:35] Change merged: Aude; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17057 [14:13:03] Oh, how lovely. "Enter title of this data set" bubbles are rendered correctly in RTL. [14:13:18] aharoni: well, we could set up a second client [14:13:20] let me ask.... [14:15:34] aharoni: Jens_WMDE says we can have a second client instance with hebrew [14:16:31] aude: Yes please. That will be VERY useful. [14:18:00] :) [14:19:02] New review: John Erling Blad; "No failures, manual checks looks good." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19440 [14:19:33] aude: do you do demo upgrades every week? [14:19:49] or is there some other schedule [14:19:51] ? [14:19:57] aharoni: usually yes (sorry aude for stealing the answer) [14:20:02] aharoni: after every scrum cycle which is mostly every week [14:20:02] usually thursdays [14:20:49] aharoni: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase.git;a=summary [14:20:54] * aharoni is happy to see the UniversalLanguageSelector working in wikidata-test-repo [14:20:58] you can see the versions with the tags [14:21:13] those are the ones that have been deployed on our test wiki [14:22:23] The general RTL layout of the "Create new item" page is OK. [14:22:32] Probably thanks to CSSJanus. [14:22:59] But some elements need explicit lang and dir. Well, I already opened a bug about it. [14:23:09] aharoni: we know [14:23:34] let's see if it's something we can fix quickly (should be) [14:24:00] The "Enter label" and "enter description" boxes need it very much. [14:24:12] * aude nods [14:24:55] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "always enabling cancel button when in edit mode" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19440 [14:25:20] aharoni: when we get the new ui stuff implemented, i think we'll have language codes in a separate column [14:25:44] instead of parenthesis [14:27:53] aude: excellent, you read my mind. [14:28:35] parenthesis are annoying for arabic too, of course [14:29:36] if you can point people to our new UI mockups, that would be helpful [14:29:39] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Development/UI_Layout_Concept [14:29:44] Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19455 [14:30:26] \o/ [14:31:00] today is the day when all the dangleing changes get merged. [14:31:55] which makes today look more productive than usual, but actually we're just taking out the trash of the last few weeks [14:33:50] heh [14:44:52] :) [14:46:24] http://wikidata-test-repo.wikimedia.de/wiki/Special:Contributions?uselang=jam [14:58:47] Jens_WMDE: The Bible was translated to that language recently. [14:59:16] May I guess that it's the UniversalLanguageSelector that makes all those exotic languages suddenly visible? :) [15:00:00] aharoni: yes. [15:00:12] Nikerabbit: ^ [15:00:28] i like it :) [15:02:50] aharoni: so far i have only found one thing ... [15:08:08] Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19443 [15:09:56] New patchset: Aude; "explain undo message params in qqq" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19462 [15:14:04] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "up gitignore" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19484 [15:15:26] New review: Tobias Gritschacher; "this will break tests and parts of the UI, so please do not merge it until this issue is solved." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19440 [15:16:50] Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19462 [15:17:44] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19484 [15:41:58] New patchset: Raimond Spekking; "Consistency tweaks as follow up to https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/17057/24/repo/Wikibase.i18n.php,unified" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19496 [15:42:49] New patchset: Henning Snater; "always enabling cancel button when in edit mode" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19440 [15:42:51] Change merged: Aude; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19496