[09:19:25] <aude>	 hi aharoni 
[09:19:30] <aharoni>	 hi
[09:20:08] <aude>	 aharoni: not totally sure we have the link working correct to redirect to the item in he lang
[09:20:30] <aharoni>	 is it deployed anywherE?
[09:20:31] <aude>	 it might go the the item in en
[09:20:36] <aude>	 jens has arrived
[09:20:50] <aude>	 let's see if i can fix
[09:20:58] <aude>	 quickly
[09:24:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "add uselang param for edit link (for now)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21176
[09:28:43] <Silke_WMDE>	 Demo server will be updated now..
[09:30:14] <aude>	 aharoni: even if we update the demo server now, i think we can do another update for he test client when the fix is merged
[09:32:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Improved editable aliases and prepared its DOM structure for grid layout" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20868
[09:35:03] <aharoni>	 aude: is there supposed to be such a link on a brand new article that has not interwikis?
[09:35:34] <aharoni>	 for example, I added http://wikidata-test-client-he.wikimedia.de/wiki/ASCII , and I want to link it with articles about ASCII in other languages.
[09:35:58] <aharoni>	 Am I supposed to add this through an existing article in another language?
[09:36:08] <Jens_WMDE>	 aharoni: through wikidata.
[09:36:48] <Jens_WMDE>	 aharoni: here: http://wikidata-test-repo.wikimedia.de/wiki/Special:CreateItem
[09:36:56] <aharoni>	 I understand that it must be added *in* Wikidata and *to* Wikidata. The question is how do I get there.
[09:37:36] <Jens_WMDE>	 aharoni: Create a new Item with the label "ASCII" in Hebrew
[09:37:58] <aharoni>	 This means that I'll have to go to Wikidata manually.
[09:38:21] <Jens_WMDE>	 yes. in this case.
[09:38:43] <aharoni>	 This should be easier for less technical users.
[09:38:56] <aharoni>	 There are two main cases:
[09:39:23] <Jens_WMDE>	 good point, actually.
[09:39:38] <aharoni>	 One is when some other Wikipedia already has an article about this. Then I can follow from that article to Wikidata.
[09:40:02] <aude>	 aharoni: no
[09:40:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "minor cleanup of QUnit.newWbEnvironment" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21178
[09:40:17] <aharoni>	 More precisely, when some other Wikipedia already has an article about this AND there's a corresponding item in Wikidata.
[09:40:25] <aude>	 although some people seem to like it
[09:40:39] <aude>	 aharoni:  interesting
[09:41:24] <aude>	 and it's a tricky example, but say on klingon wikipedia (!) there's no article about burma but there is one about myanmar
[09:41:51] <aude>	 i don't know about the myanmar one but i decide to write one about burma
[09:41:52] <aharoni>	 but what if "ASCII" exists only in English, and then I create a Hebrew article. Then it's totally non-obvious. To interlink them I need to go to Wikidata manually and create items. That's not quite discoverable.
[09:41:58] <aude>	 not yet sure how we'll handle that
[09:42:12] <aude>	 aharoni:  i see
[09:43:01] <Jens_WMDE>	 wow, very good point.
[09:43:40] * aude  sees some wikipedias have articles about burma and some myanmar and i suppose we will include them in the same item, for my example

[09:43:59] <aude>	 one name can be an alias
[09:44:14] <aude>	 and since we have a label for each language, they might vary
[09:44:19] <aude>	 (the default)
[09:44:43] <aharoni>	 In Burma case, it's not really a problem as long it's just a title dispute and not a POV fork :)
[09:45:04] <aude>	 aharoni: for ASCII, would it be called "ASCII" in hebrew? or written in hebrew script?
[09:45:43] <aharoni>	 It can be written in Hebrew. I usually give it as an example, because this particular article has a name in Latin and it's easy for everybody to type.
[09:45:54] <aude>	 ok
[09:46:04] <aude>	 yeah, the page won't be linked to wikidata yet
[09:46:09] <aude>	 e.g. not created
[09:46:26] <aude>	 don't know that we will have red links in wikidata and not sure we figured that out
[09:47:00] <aude>	 eventually we'll have a widget where you can add links after creating an article
[09:47:27] <aude>	 for now, you'd have to go to wikidata and add hebrew to the ascii item
[09:48:28] <aharoni>	 It looks like an obvious usability need even for initial user testing. When one of he.wikipedia JS wizards saw that there's no link, he immediately told me that he'll add a gadget for it.
[09:48:30] <aude>	 aharoni: so our demo system is imprecise
[09:48:36] <aharoni>	 So it should be there from the start.
[09:48:49] <aude>	 we're linking to real wikipedia and there is a real article about ASCII but not on the client demo
[09:49:06] <aude>	 aharoni: ok
[09:54:54] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20868
[10:01:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "(Bug 39485) Encode params for ItemByLabel and ItemByTitle" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21052
[10:06:40] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Aude; "we're not redirecting this special page." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20446
[10:07:46] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21178
[10:10:00] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21176
[10:25:53] <aude>	 aharoni: updated he client again
[10:34:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "(Bug 39485) Encode params for ItemByLabel and ItemByTitle" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21052
[10:36:35] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aude; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21052
[10:38:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "(Bug 39201) Redirect Split:ItemByTitle to item insted of displaying inline" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20726
[12:46:53] <Silke_WMDE>	 We were asked to purge the database on the test repo as there is so much in it that it's hard to find items that do not yet exist.
[12:47:21] <Silke_WMDE>	 so, we'll purge and come back with standard test data in a moment.
[12:53:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Implementing abstract store interface" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20924
[13:14:52] <joancreus>	 hmm has the new behavior of action=wbsetitem been defined? is this assigned to anybody right now?
[13:15:36] <aude>	 joancreus: i think jeblad is working on it
[13:16:13] <joancreus>	 ok, no problem, i'm not in a hurry :) just to know
[13:17:34] <aude>	 joancreus: i'm asking him to come on irc
[13:17:52] <joancreus>	 thanks!
[13:18:20] <jeblad_WMDE>	 Who is calling?
[13:18:41] <aude>	 13:14 < joancreus> hmm has the new behavior of action=wbsetitem been defined? is this assigned to anybody right now?
[13:18:41] * jeblad_WMDE  dragging himself humpetihump into the channel

[13:18:57] <joancreus>	 jeblad_WMDE: me, but don't worry, i'm not in a hurry for it
[13:19:23] <jeblad_WMDE>	 Depends on what you mean by the new behavior
[13:19:32] <jeblad_WMDE>	 Its pretty much that changes..
[13:20:03] <jeblad_WMDE>	 The output format is about to change, but I have not had time to start on it
[13:20:09] <joancreus>	 jeblad_WMDE: right now, there was (iirc) no way to remove via wbsetitem
[13:20:35] <joancreus>	 i think &clear was suggested
[13:20:52] <joancreus>	 &clear would overwrite everything with &data
[13:20:58] * jeblad_WMDE  is just sitting very very quiet and mumbles black magic thingys about EditPage

[13:20:59] <joancreus>	 without clear, it'd extend
[13:21:00] <joancreus>	 was it?
[13:21:12] <joancreus>	 let me look at the bug report
[13:21:27] <jeblad_WMDE>	 clear in the url is implemented
[13:21:50] <jeblad_WMDE>	 It will kill everything in the item and let you start from scatch
[13:21:56] <joancreus>	 great!
[13:22:17] <joancreus>	 so [https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39142](this) is fixed, i think
[13:22:21] <joancreus>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39142
[13:22:24] <jeblad_WMDE>	 I think its on both test and the (secret - hush) dev
[13:22:43] <aude>	 test was updated this morning
[13:23:01] <jeblad_WMDE>	 thanks aude, then its on both
[13:23:01] <aude>	 joancreus: go ahead and try it, if you want
[13:23:16] <joancreus>	 ok!
[13:23:52] <jeblad_WMDE>	 seems to be dead..
[13:24:06] <aude>	 oh noes!
[13:24:13] <aude>	 Jens_WMDE: ^^^^
[13:24:20] <jeblad_WMDE>	 muahahahaaaa!
[13:24:57] <jeblad_WMDE>	 Jens_WMDE: is your hero in cases like this!
[13:25:48] <aude>	 joancreus: they are resetting the test repo to have just chemical elements again
[13:25:57] <aude>	 should be restored soon i think
[13:26:01] <jeblad_WMDE>	   clear               - If set, the complete item is emptied before proceeding.
[13:26:02] <jeblad_WMDE>	                         The item will not be saved before the item is filled with the "data", possibly with parts excluded.
[13:26:03] <Abraham_WMDE>	 fyi: currently the wikidata test system is in maintenance. we let you know when the system is working proper again.
[13:26:05] <joancreus>	 i'm testing locally
[13:26:10] <aude>	 ok
[13:27:11] <jeblad_WMDE>	 If there is anything, then yours truly can also be reached at jeblad@gtalk.com
[13:27:17] <jeblad_WMDE>	 I'm always on gtalk
[13:27:41] * aude  is always on irc :)

[13:27:54] <jeblad_WMDE>	 IRC on a cell phone sucks
[13:27:56] * joancreus  is only on irc when he has problems

[13:28:05] * aude  can resort to throwing stuff at jeblad_WMDE 

[13:28:09] <aude>	 :D
[13:53:05] <aharoni>	 joancreus: parles català?
[13:53:17] <aharoni>	 aude, what is $3 in Wikibase-itembylabel-create?
[13:53:35] <aharoni>	 and also in Wikibase-itembytitle-create.
[13:54:03] <aharoni>	 aude, if you can just document it in qqq right in TWN, it would be great.
[14:00:13] <jeblad_WMDE>	 $3 is the argument to the create item, but its not used now
[14:00:25] <jeblad_WMDE>	 The special pages are redesigned
[14:07:38] <joancreus>	 ep
[14:07:43] <joancreus>	 estava away
[14:07:45] <joancreus>	 sí aharoni :)
[14:08:20] <joancreus>	 és possible que ens coneguem de ... viccionari? i amb google code-in vam parlar algun cop
[14:08:44] * joancreus  beware, germans; catalans are taking over wikidata

[14:11:28] <aharoni>	 joancreus: no estic segur... escrivia unes coses sobre Israel a la Viquipedia (Usuari:Amire80)
[14:12:06] <joancreus>	 aharoni: apertium també, si mal no recordo?
[14:12:26] <aharoni>	 apertium, sí, pot ser.
[14:13:29] <joancreus>	 volia fer un projecte que al final no vaig poder fer
[14:26:28] <aharoni>	 aude: despite what jeblad_WMDE says, $3 there must be documented.
[14:37:43] * Lydia_WMDE  waves

[14:40:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "refactoring PageObjects [DO NOT MERGE]" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21189
[14:49:04] <aude>	 aharoni: done
[14:52:55] <aharoni>	 aude: in twn or in gerrit? I only see documentation for $3 in itembytitle-create.
[14:54:42] <aude>	 http://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Wikibase-itembylabel-create/ar
[14:54:51] <aude>	 i''m fixing it
[14:54:57] <aharoni>	 OK
[14:55:04] <aude>	 i do http://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Wikibase-itembylabel-create/qqq ?
[14:57:45] <aharoni>	 that one is good already.
[14:58:10] <aharoni>	 there's also http://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Wikibase-itembytitle-create/qqq ?
[14:58:19] <aharoni>	 (no question mark)
[14:58:33] <aharoni>	 oh, done already.
[14:58:35] <aharoni>	 great.
[14:59:58] <aude>	 ok, updated both
[15:00:04] <aude>	 more explanation
[15:00:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "refactoring PageObjects [DO NOT MERGE]" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21189
[15:00:48] <aharoni>	 thank tou
[15:00:50] <aharoni>	 you
[15:02:56] <aude>	 let us know if you see any other problems
[15:03:25] <aude>	 we are aware of issues with these api messages, generally and may change our approach for translating them
[15:03:52] <aude>	 per https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38675
[15:08:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jens Ohlig; "Renamed ItemByLabel to "ItemDisambiguation"" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21190
[15:24:05] <joancreus>	 yee-ha! pywikidata now working well, pushed to github. see some examples here -> https://github.com/jcreus/pywikidata/blob/master/example.py
[15:25:56] <Lydia_WMDE>	 joancreus: \o/
[15:25:58] <Lydia_WMDE>	 awesome!
[15:26:09] <Lydia_WMDE>	 joancreus: can you send an email to the mailing list about that?
[15:26:12] <Lydia_WMDE>	 also: you rock :D
[15:26:22] <joancreus>	 ok, sending it. thanks!
[15:26:27] <Lydia_WMDE>	 \o/
[15:27:56] <Abraham_WMDE>	 joancreus: awesome, thank you!
[15:28:49] <aude>	 joancreus: yay!
[15:38:08] <Jens_WMDE>	 joancreus: nifty!
[15:52:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aude; "Don't forget to update the special-itembylabel message in Wikibase.i18n.php.  It should now be speci..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21190
[21:39:55] <aude>	 JeroenDeDauw: there's a bug in your education extension
[21:40:07] <aude>	 http://test2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Program:Columbia_University/Wikipedia_and_the_Art_of_Motorcycle_Maintenance_(Now_2012)
[21:40:21] <aude>	 i am listed as a "reviewer" but it's in the article column
[21:44:24] <aude>	 test wiki think's i'm a "he"
[21:44:55] * aude  thinks the default should be "she" if gender is unspecified ;)

[23:06:51] <Amgine>	 <agrees w/ aude> mostly for contrariness.