[07:16:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: John Erling Blad; "This seems like it needs further explanation and discussion before it can be merged." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22588
[07:23:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "selenium test for ItemByTitle special page" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22481
[07:51:37] <Lydia_WMDE>	 heya folks :)
[07:51:37] <Lydia_WMDE>	 wikidata office hour in 10 minutes in #wikimedia-office
[08:08:10] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Henning Snater; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22481
[08:23:43] <Denny_WMDE>	 wikidata office hour is over in #wikimedia-office by the way
[08:48:54] <Nischayn22>	 the" edit links" link doesn't work on  http://wikidata-test-client.wikimedia.de/wiki/Helium
[08:50:57] <Denny_WMDE>	 Nischayn22: thanks, we are investigating
[08:51:10] <Denny_WMDE>	 it some db clean up code that messed it up
[08:51:59] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Nischayn22: i filed a bug about it yesterday
[08:52:03] <Lydia_WMDE>	 hopefully fixed soon
[08:55:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jens Ohlig; "Special:CreateItem with a form instead of an empty element" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22706
[09:05:36] <Nischayn22>	 ah, good!
[09:18:17] <yannf>	 hello
[09:22:44] <Denny_WMDE>	 hello yannf
[09:23:47] <yannf>	 may be a bit early, but I am wondering about how the structure of a basic unit
[09:24:19] <yannf>	 for books
[09:26:48] <Nischayn22>	 hmm, finally I get some idea of the client, repo stuff :)
[09:27:24] <Denny_WMDE>	 yannf: books are particularly complicated
[09:27:24] <Lydia_WMDE>	 yannf: can you elaborate please?
[09:27:39] <Denny_WMDE>	 I am actually curious how this will turn out
[09:27:52] <Denny_WMDE>	 if we will have something like OCLC being remodeled or not
[09:28:00] <yannf>	 Denny_WMDE, yes, that's why I think that early thinking is required
[09:28:43] <Denny_WMDE>	 i agree, but i think that's up to the community. i.e. whatever the community wants to use, we should be able to support it.
[09:28:47] <yannf>	 a book can mean several things
[09:29:05] <Denny_WMDE>	 absolutely aware of that
[09:29:57] <yannf>	 the easiest case is 1 work = 1 volume = 1 edition
[09:30:22] <yannf>	 but that's a minority of cases
[09:32:07] <yannf>	 and it becomes even more complex as a work can change over time
[09:32:23] <yannf>	 so to become a separate new work'
[09:33:25] <Denny_WMDE>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FRBR
[09:34:28] <Denny_WMDE>	 it would be interesting to see how many wikipedia articles are about works, are about expressions, manifestations, and items 
[09:34:35] <Denny_WMDE>	 you think there is any chance of getting these numbers?
[09:35:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(39581) Special:CreateItem first iteration [DO NOT MERGE]" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22706
[09:37:52] <hashar>	 AnjaJ_WMDE: hello :-]
[09:37:56] <hashar>	 Abraham_WMDE1: I am there :D
[09:37:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "i18n comments on PS1 unaddressed." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22706
[09:38:30] <joancreus>	 argh pywikidata will have to change. has the api already changed, or is it being merged still?
[09:38:37] <joancreus>	 to begin changing
[09:40:43] <Lydia_WMDE>	 jeblad_WMDE: ^
[09:40:56] <Lydia_WMDE>	 joancreus: sorry for the hassle
[09:40:59] <Denny_WMDE>	 joancreus: has not changed yet
[09:41:05] <joancreus>	 ok
[09:41:20] <joancreus>	 it seemed weird at first that the wbgetitem and wbsetitem formats were different
[09:41:21] <Denny_WMDE>	 it is only wbsetitem, though. the others remain untouched i think
[09:41:26] <Denny_WMDE>	 yep
[09:41:32] <Denny_WMDE>	 that is what we want to fix
[09:41:43] <joancreus>	 and what will be the recommended one: map or list?
[09:42:09] <Denny_WMDE>	 i would say map
[09:42:21] <Denny_WMDE>	 hmm
[09:42:22] <Denny_WMDE>	 wait
[09:42:28] <Denny_WMDE>	 maybe list is a bit more stable over time
[09:42:49] <Denny_WMDE>	 yeah, i guess list is a bit better, less redundancy
[09:42:56] <Denny_WMDE>	 we have to see
[09:43:13] <Denny_WMDE>	 should be easier to write for map, and then leave it out for list, though
[09:50:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Move site paths into site and added some tests" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22711
[09:51:00] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: John Erling Blad; "I'm going to do a testrun of this code, but for now it seems good." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22588
[09:51:51] <Sk1d>	 is there already a date to start wikidata?
[09:51:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Kinzler; "re" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22588
[09:53:08] <joancreus>	 Sk1d: do you mean, to be used in wikipedia et al?
[09:54:35] <jeblad_WMDE>	 joancreus: Its not merged and it is still in the work
[09:54:48] <joancreus>	 ok
[09:54:59] <joancreus>	 it was just to know whether to start or wait
[09:55:46] <jeblad_WMDE>	 In some cases it seems like lists are more general with the long format
[09:55:58] <jeblad_WMDE>	 Or long.. its not that long
[09:56:35] <jeblad_WMDE>	 maps are faster and easier in javascript
[09:59:39] <JeroenDeDauw>	 jeblad_WMDE: http://pastebin.com/rB66S77i
[09:59:57] <Sk1d>	 joancreus: no i only want to konw whene there will be wikidata.org online
[10:00:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(39581) Special:CreateItem first iteration [DO NOT MERGE]" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22706
[10:00:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: John Erling Blad; "Waiting with merge in case of further comments." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22588
[10:02:35] <jeblad_WMDE>	 JeroenDeDauw: Strange, I get no such error..
[10:03:41] <JeroenDeDauw>	 I get it on master
[10:03:56] <joancreus>	 hmm .*?_WMDE -> Sk1d 
[10:04:18] <joancreus>	 Sk1d has some questions above
[10:06:12] <jeblad_WMDE>	 Lydia_WMDE: 
[10:07:01] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Daniel Kinzler; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22711
[10:07:22] <Sk1d>	 another question the interwikilinks will they be sorted? http://wikidata-test-repo.wikimedia.de/wiki/Data:Q21631
[10:09:03] <jeblad_WMDE>	 There are on-going work on some kind of sorting
[10:09:16] <jeblad_WMDE>	 JS-based
[10:09:39] * jeblad_WMDE  thinks, but he has hit his head and don't think to clear

[10:10:10] <jeblad_WMDE>	 JeroenDeDauw: I can't trigger the error
[10:10:17] <Denny_WMDE>	 Sk1d: joancreus: here's the tracking bug for deploying wikidata.org. as soon as the blockers are gone, we are going live. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38975
[10:10:26] <Denny_WMDE>	 i hope it is a question of weeks
[10:10:27] <JeroenDeDauw>	 jeblad_WMDE: sure, I'm just reporting it
[10:16:31] <Sk1d>	 will there be a possebility for "pro-useres" to edit whole pages and to connect 2 pages if they are about the exactly same item
[10:17:12] <jeblad_WMDE>	 merging of items are on the list
[10:22:02] <Sk1d>	 ah and if you search for an item it schould not only display the titel of a page but also its discription see: http://wikidata-test-repo.wikimedia.de/w/index.php?search=visa&go=Go&title=Special%3ASearch
[10:23:05] <Denny_WMDE>	 Sk1d: that's the idea
[10:26:46] <Sk1d>	 hm okey and why is there the possebility to creat own pages? like http://wikidata-test-repo.wikimedia.de/wiki/Visa shouldn't there be only items? and metastuff?
[10:32:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(39581) Special:CreateItem first iteration [DO NOT MERGE]" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22706
[10:55:38] <yannf>	 Denny_WMDE, OL has 20 million records
[10:57:35] <yannf>	 and 1,207,275 works / 1,191,327 ebooks
[10:58:43] <yannf>	 http://openlibrary.org/subjects/accessible_book#sort=edition_count
[10:59:58] <yannf>	 Oddysey by Homer have the biggest number of editions for a fiction: 902
[11:02:08] <yannf>	 Don Quixote is 2nd
[11:04:25] <Denny_WMDE>	 yannf: i meant, can we get the numbers about what Wikipedia covers. not about what OL covers. Wikidata's first use case are the Wikipedias.
[11:05:11] <Denny_WMDE>	 Sk1d: on the repo, currently data is set to the data: namespace
[11:05:40] <Denny_WMDE>	 Sk1d: once Wikidata deploys it will be on the main namespace.
[11:05:47] <Denny_WMDE>	 different config setting
[11:06:10] <yannf>	 from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Books it should be possible to get an estimate
[11:12:41] <yannf>	 French Wikisource claims 9,025 books
[11:19:46] <yannf>	 impossible to know for English WS
[11:22:30] <Denny_WMDE>	 but which of those are works, which ones are editions, etc
[11:22:42] <Denny_WMDE>	 i am not sure if we can get these numbers easily
[11:22:51] <Denny_WMDE>	 but that is what we need to be able to represent
[11:32:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "use EditEntity to report errors from the API" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22588
[11:33:54] <yannf>	 for French WS, most of these are works
[11:34:18] <yannf>	 there are just a few works with several editions
[11:35:49] <yannf>	 so 9,000 works at least
[11:36:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(39581) Special:CreateItem first iteration [DO NOT MERGE]" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22706
[11:38:01] <Denny_WMDE>	 so i assume what wikidata will cover are works, mostly. but we will see.
[11:39:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(39581) Special:CreateItem first iteration [DO NOT MERGE]" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22706
[11:48:45] <joancreus>	 uh oh
[11:48:55] <Denny_WMDE1>	 joancreus: ?
[11:48:58] <joancreus>	 error running maint/update.php
[11:48:59] <joancreus>	 Database returned error "1054: Unknown column 'site_source' in 'field list' (localhost)"
[11:49:01] <joancreus>	 Denny_WMDE1: 
[11:49:18] <Denny_WMDE1>	 yes, we are working on it
[11:49:30] <Denny_WMDE1>	 where do you get it?
[11:49:31] <joancreus>	 ok. if you need more info, the query was -> "SELECT  site_id,site_global_key,site_type,site_group,site_source,site_language,site_protocol,site_domain,site_data,site_forward,site_config  FROM `sites`  WHERE site_global_key = 'cawiki'  LIMIT 1  "
[11:49:52] <Denny_WMDE1>	 local or against our test repo?
[11:49:56] <joancreus>	 local
[11:50:09] <joancreus>	 everything git pulled
[11:50:37] <Denny_WMDE1>	 did you run update.php?
[11:50:47] <joancreus>	 it happened running update.php
[11:50:57] <Denny_WMDE1>	 ah yes, that what you said
[11:51:14] <Denny_WMDE1>	 we dealing with that here right now too
[11:51:20] <joancreus>	 ok
[11:52:31] <jeblad_WMDE>	 I ended up with dropping and recreating the database, then run update, then discovering that the shared database was missing
[11:52:47] <jeblad_WMDE>	 But my database needed a cleanup anyhow.. :-]
[11:53:28] * jeblad_WMDE  wonder if he could drop and recreate his apartment, that needs a cleanup too

[11:55:20] <yannf>	 lol
[11:57:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(39581) Special:CreateItem first iteration [DO NOT MERGE]" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22706
[12:00:36] <TobiasG_WMDE>	 DanielK_WMDE: can u have a brief look at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/22706/ and see it we're doing the item creation in the correct way, plz?
[12:01:02] <DanielK_WMDE>	 TobiasG_WMDE: will do in a second, let me finish this merge...
[12:06:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Only rebuild on actual update" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22716
[12:15:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jens Ohlig; "(39581) Special:CreateItem first iteration [DO NOT MERGE]" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22706
[12:20:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jens Ohlig; "(39581) Special:CreateItem first iteration [DO NOT MERGE]" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22706
[12:29:14] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22588
[12:38:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(39581) Special:CreateItem first iteration" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22706
[12:54:07] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Danwe_WMDE: can you has a look at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Validator/1.0 ?
[12:55:32] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Denny_WMDE1: Currently working on ValueHandler, which will be used by SMW and WB as listed here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Validator/1.0#Usage
[12:55:32] <JeroenDeDauw>	   I had a graph thing on the whitebord earlier, but someone killed it... 
[12:55:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(39581) Special:CreateItem first iteration" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22706
[13:01:01] <Denny_WMDE1>	 JeroenDeDauw: so DVs move to validator?
[13:05:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jens Ohlig; "Solves the problem. Great!" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22716
[13:05:29] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jens Ohlig; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22716
[13:06:47] <Sannita>	 may I say that I don't understand what's the point in that ISO/legal/$whatever issue on the ML?
[13:08:55] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Sannita: don't feel bad about that ;-)
[13:09:01] <Sannita>	 :D
[13:09:25] <Sannita>	 I mean, I dealt with licensing and stuff like this, I even had my MA dissertation about free licensing
[13:09:51] <Sannita>	 so, really, I think this discussion may be a bit of a overkill
[13:09:53] <Sannita>	 *an
[13:10:21] <Lydia_WMDE>	 yeah
[13:13:44] <Denny_WMDE1>	 agree
[13:24:00] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Denny_WMDE1: no
[13:25:08] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Denny_WMDE1: both DataValues (extension to hold the DVs) and Validator will be using ValueHandler (which holds more low level stuff)
[13:26:53] <Denny_WMDE1>	 JeroenDeDauw: understand
[13:37:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(39581) Special:CreateItem first iteration" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22706
[13:56:28] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Danwe_WMDE: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Validator/1.0
[14:01:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(39581) Special:CreateItem first iteration" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22706
[16:23:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: John Erling Blad; "Just a copyedit of some code that is working. Might need additional adaptions." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22706
[16:24:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "preventing error tooltip background image from being propagated" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22729
[16:28:56] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22729
[16:46:25] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 the triage is happening in #wikimedia-dev, apparently
[16:47:03] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 etherpad: http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/BugTriage-2012-09
[17:09:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jens Ohlig; "Special:ItemByTitle -- needless text removed." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22737
[19:28:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "use getMainPathType() to determine main path" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22817
[19:38:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "don't need WebRequest for token check" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22818
[19:46:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "EntityContent::isValid() requires an entity ID" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22820