[00:31:23] Merlissimo: you have new messages [00:32:29] messages that are on a topic that is causing me to be rather panicking at the moment [00:33:39] since your unauthorized bot is churning out bad edits at about a dozen a minute [00:34:54] erk [00:35:02] is there a wikidata admin around? [00:36:06] I can use my global sysop tools, if needed [00:37:26] um, I suppose this counts as a "rogue bot" case? I'm not completely sure. as I said above, MerlIwBot is churning out bad edits at about a dozen a minute [00:37:48] and it doesn't have the bot flag [00:38:07] is the solution at this point to temporarily block it? [00:38:37] Merlissimo doesn't seem to be available... [00:38:51] yes, might be appropriate to block [00:38:59] but I'm looking at the contribs - what is the urgent problem? aliases? [00:39:04] yes [00:39:16] many, many, many bad aliases [00:40:07] I actually don't see so many (mostly BC / BCE at the same time) [00:40:35] and it's flooding the RC [00:43:09] ~95% of recent edits are by the bot [00:43:14] Who let the bots out? [00:43:22] and they're not hidden [00:43:37] and we'll probably need some mass-deletion after this [00:44:42] I'm not so sure about that - most of the interwiki links look acceptable [00:45:01] yes, the interwikis appear to be well done [00:45:38] the aliases, very much not so. the labels have occasional problems. the fact that it's flooding the rc is also a problem. [00:46:50] yeah, I see [00:47:30] 200 edits in the last 20 minutes... [00:49:03] ok, I have blocked it now [00:49:19] given that it has not yet been approved on the RfP page [00:49:54] and since some of the developing team also complained some min/hours ago that it would already run [00:51:32] anyone who would like to scream "abuse"? :D [00:52:27] MF-W: Abuse!!! :-D [00:57:01] gtg [01:19:59] lol [01:20:03] back to one user editing the page many times [01:21:17] pff, I could've left that bot unblocked then [01:21:41] and also creating duplicate pages [01:21:43] missing some links [01:21:43] ffs [01:22:15] MF-W: the problem is that he told me not which language was wrong [01:22:52] oh [01:24:27] shall I remove the block, now that you're there? [01:25:10] go back to making all of the edits! [01:26:03] Page edits since Wikidata was set up 273,020 [01:26:04] hah [01:26:42] MF-W: should i keep my bot running? [01:26:56] maybe not adding en aliases ;-) [01:27:53] that seems like an idea ;) [01:28:26] maybe also lower the edit frequency to give less complaint reasons [01:28:40] pfft [01:28:41] screw that! [01:28:45] everyone is going to bed soon [01:29:37] Make the bot fix all the missing labels in english [01:31:08] bot unblocked [01:31:18] Reedy: my bot is designed to do initial import. so it only adds labels and aliases if also the sitelink is missing. For all existing sitelinks i do not know if a human has changed italready manually [01:33:01] watch out, Merlissimo, the bot is running again already ;) [01:33:53] it is still running. i startet it running on the dewiki pages having most interwikis [01:36:04] The database is currently... 0.46447GB [01:36:15] I wonder how big it will be after I've had some sleep [01:39:26] Reedy: on june i calculated that about 12,7 mio item are needed [01:39:34] heh [01:39:54] um, Merlissimo, maybe you should get approval for your bot before running it? [01:40:11] that the number of expected indepented interwiki groups [01:41:59] YairRand: i disabled adding aliases from simplewiki. many of them are not marked a misspelled redirects [01:42:26] it's still adding incorrect aliases from other wikis [01:42:56] many, many incorrect aliases. and it's running without community approval. [01:42:58] YairRand: i am the only one who asked for approval. all others are using their untested scripts on their main account [01:43:37] you're making thousands of edits, at a rate far faster than anyone else, with far, far more problems [01:44:01] have you looked at the recent changes? [01:44:44] I don't think any of the ones I noticed were from simplewiki [01:44:58] brefor i started my bot the last 50 entries in rc were about the last 10 seconds [01:45:14] by one person? [01:45:47] if so, I don't think many people would consider that really acceptable either [01:46:22] as I mentioned on your talk page, "Aymara declension" is not an accurate alias for the Aymara language. that came from enwiki. [01:47:23] YairRand: the top editors already have 40000-50000 edits [01:47:36] Jitrixis 51576 [01:48:04] oy [01:48:15] my bot has a bit more than 1000 [01:48:29] 1049 [01:49:28] okay, I don't think Jitrixis's edits were okay either. but they weren't filled with inaccuracies. [01:50:20] because he did not add any labels, only sitelinks? [01:50:53] I assume his labels and aliases were added manually [01:51:03] though I don't know [01:51:07] every item must be revied one day. it's only important that bot will never get autoflagged rights. [01:51:36] he used javascript and simple imported the langlink of one local wiki [01:51:53] my bot is checking for langlinkconflicts and so on [01:51:59] you can't really assume that hundreds of people are going to spend years reviewing your bots edits [01:53:12] I really think you should disable adding aliases and labels, and wait until your bot gets a bot flag before doing more edits. I also think we're going to have to delete the aliases and labels your bot already added. [01:53:13] YairRand: every local pagemove destroys the item data integrity. the there is much continous work needed [01:53:46] ? [01:54:34] why would pagemoves destroy item data integrity? [01:54:38] the would be better if human are revieing the data and importing them. but that is not the current situation. and i think my script is better then simply coping the langlink view of one local wiki [01:55:03] because the sitelink is invalid [01:55:20] the sitelink would probably be automatically updated immediately [01:55:21] thats also the case after wikidata client is enabled [01:55:30] YairRand: no [01:55:31] why not? [01:56:16] when wikidata gets hooked up to the wikis... [01:56:37] i had several long discusion with the developers about that. i think that should be done automatically. but that is not implemented and not finally planed [01:57:24] so what happens when a page gets moved? [01:57:38] the page just loses all its interwikis? [01:57:53] i think the last idea was to ask the user after a page move if he would also like to update wikidata. if he does not, the connetion is gone [01:58:06] yes, all langlinks are lost [01:58:34] if the user updates wikidata, what's the problem? [01:58:37] the sitelink connection is done by title, not e.g. the local pageid [01:58:56] and if the user does not? [01:59:22] then the next local user to come across the article can add it. [02:00:13] sorry, I have to go. I'll be back in irc in an hour. [02:00:16] but he has to find the correct item first [02:00:27] YairRand: in an hour i have to sleep [02:11:03] Can anyone confirm https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41592 ? [02:21:52] PiRSquared17: yes. the script which created the sitematrix (update.php) must be run with a special parameter [02:24:30] or maybe that not the problem because https://wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=interwikimap&sifilteriw=local is correct [02:44:52] That bug is essentially a dupe [02:44:56] Daniel has already committed a fix for it... [02:46:27] Hello. [02:46:38] Anyone else around? [02:46:53] * Sven_Manguard raises his eyes at another Sven being in the channel [02:47:15] lols [02:47:24] Hey Reedy [02:47:29] how you liking the project? [02:48:40] I'm somewhat amused by all these people pretending to be interwiki bots [02:48:44] Myself included [02:51:26] Reedy: in the past only few people took care of interwiki link. [02:52:10] Aye [03:01:09] Reedy: it'll die down soon [03:01:16] and we can get to the interesting data [03:03:07] I'd imagine everything from census data to market data could be imported in [03:03:21] that bots won't be able to do as well, and humans will have to work with [03:07:10] one step at a time [03:20:36] YairRand: that depends on the local wikis. e.g. for dewiki nearly all redirects are valid aliases. [03:20:53] how? [03:21:12] don't they have redirects to sections or anything? [03:21:22] or residual redirects from page moves? [03:21:54] or redirects that are in place because of lack of coverage of a topic? [03:22:00] dewiki only accepts few redirect. enwiki created redirects for nearly every possiblity, but mark the type of redirect by templates. [03:22:09] YairRand: that should be staticredirect [03:22:25] what is staticredirect? [03:23:06] a redirect that could be an article [03:23:26] interwiki bots treat static redirect like articles. [03:23:49] how do they identify static redirects? [03:24:30] does your bot leave out static redirects from alias lists? [03:24:45] YairRand: do you think manually adding aliases is easier than removing them. every item need a description added by humans. removing unneed aliases at the same time is easy [03:24:58] yes [03:25:02] __STATICREDIRECT__ [03:25:17] it's a magic word [03:25:18] I think manually adding aliases is more likely to result in accurate aliases. [03:25:26] oh, I see [03:25:39] Hmm. [03:25:53] I don't think adding them is likely to be more difficult. [03:26:07] how would one verify a pile of potentially correct aliases? [03:26:28] how do you add aliases? [03:26:36] I'd avoid dealing with redirects entirely [03:26:43] removing them is one click on the X [03:26:56] each language can have their own separate list of aliases [03:26:59] sure, you could pick out an incorrect one or a correct one every once in a while based on personal knowledge or by looking through the article, but systematically checking them sounds very difficult [03:27:45] you can add aliases fairly easily [03:28:00] the user interface makes things pretty simple [03:28:34] you much check them systematically also if aliases are not added by the initional creator [03:28:35] just type, then click on the next box, type, etc. and go on to the next one [03:28:50] hm? [03:29:16] sorry, you mean "must" instead of "much", right? [03:29:29] if i would not add alaises, you have to check every item, if there are missing aliases [03:29:40] yes, must [03:30:06] people could add them as they think of them [03:30:12] we have an entire project here [03:30:54] how would you check for missing aliases any other way? [03:31:05] my bot is for initial importing. i hope one day it won't be needed anymore [03:31:38] I don't think an initial importing of aliases and labels is necessary [03:31:53] finding missing aliases is much more complicated, i think [03:32:13] and I don't think it would be possible to check through all the problem aliases and remove them all [03:32:22] we're talking millions of items [03:32:41] adding them gradually is more likely to get good results [03:32:57] in the second phase you have to edited every item and add properties [03:33:23] yes [03:33:38] some might be importable, but most probably not [03:33:39] most items are currently created by javascript [03:33:47] ? [03:34:09] I don't quite understand what you mean [03:34:21] you mean interwikis are added using javascript tools? [03:34:25] "?" is for phase 2? [03:34:48] no, for "most items are currently created by javascript" [03:35:16] (I'm not sure I understand what you mean by the earlier comment either, actually) [03:35:16] currently most item are created be the gadget created by Tpt [03:35:30] yes, but those are just interwikis [03:35:46] which we already have a reliably usable collection of [03:35:58] as opposed to aliases and labels, which we don't [03:36:16] after phase 2 (which is currently developed) you have to add properties to each item. like date of birth, as so on [03:36:40] the eventual collection of aliases and labels would come from wikidata contributors adding them manually [03:36:54] and add their sources [03:37:21] YairRand: can you add a comment the my flag request, that i should not add labels? then other can comment on it. [03:37:38] I think I did [03:38:32] [03:39:13] I commented "I fully support this bot adding interwikis, but its adding of labels and aliases would just produce literally millions of damaging errors. --Yair rand (talk) 21:21, 31 October 2012 (UTC)" [03:39:59] should I add a comment explicitly stating that I think it shouldn't add labels? I think it's pretty clear already [03:40:18] but if you think it would help the discussion... [03:41:22] i though onwiki you were talking mainly about aliases. that you also do not like label was clrear to my after hour diskussion here [03:41:35] but maybe it's to late for me, too [03:42:46] there are many issues that result from autocreating labels, but not nearly as many as from aliases [03:43:09] the bot is currenlty only working on pages having mostinterwikis. 85% are done. then it will stop. my other scripts are still using testwiki [03:43:23] Does anyone get https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41557 ? It's quite annoying when entering aliases... [03:45:15] Merlissimo: it will stop running after finishing those? [03:45:28] is that why you didn't wait for the bot flag? [03:45:51] PiRSquared17: sorry i am linux only atm. [03:46:10] YairRand: can you link me to the page that lists the phases? [03:46:44] Sven_Manguard: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Technical_proposal [03:47:07] YairRand: after i have stop flag all my normal interwikibot script will contribute to wikidata. today i only start zwei scripts with wikidata.org enabled running only once. [03:47:36] dewiki new articles and mostinterwikilink special page from dewiki [03:48:09] (but the new articles scripts include only new articles titles because of moves) [03:49:30] didn't understand this comment> "after i have stop flag all my normal interwikibot script will contribute to wikidata. today i only start zwei scripts with wikidata.org enabled running only once." [03:50:28] its oho too late. [03:51:25] too late at night, you mean? [03:51:45] or too late for something in the context of wikidata? [03:51:59] it is 5 o'clock am here. today i started two scripts with wikidata.org enabled. the only run once. all other scripts are still using the testwiki. [03:53:02] oh. maybe we should continue this discussion tomorrow. [03:53:23] yes. [03:53:30] thx yair [04:50:38] Commons is on fire. Over and out! [04:58:19] folks, please don't delete stuff on wikidata as there is a bug with undeletions [04:58:25] we are investigating [07:27:32] Hello everybody :) [07:27:47] Bonjour tout le monde :) [07:39:25] moin [08:07:23] Merlissimo: no comments on running it despite being asked not to? [08:08:45] Merlissimo: i'm getting less and less happy about this [08:10:25] hi [08:11:32] hi joancreus [08:57:09] New patchset: Aude; "(bug 41620) provide entity Id as fallback for label, if no label for a given lang" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31194 [09:13:05] Lydia_WMDE: Merlissimo is "away" :) [09:13:28] Lydia_WMDE: I have a question, please [09:15:34] hsarrazin: do tell [09:15:50] well, you ask Merlissimo not to run a bot... [09:15:51] hsarrazin: yes he is but i asked the same question earlier and in between he chatted here [09:16:02] yes [09:16:10] back in a sec [09:16:12] but I also use a bot, to get interwiki links… is it ok ? [09:17:45] hsarrazin: depends - if it's more than the script that was talked about on the project page then my general gut feeling is: wait a bit please [09:18:00] it's Tpt's script… [09:18:03] ok [09:18:12] it's ok, then ? [09:18:14] as long as you're checking the results it is fine with me personally [09:18:23] thanks :) [09:18:30] no problem [09:18:33] thanks for asking! [09:19:19] is there a "real" risk that the database would be reset ? if there is, I will wait a little before continuing to contribute... [09:20:16] hsarrazin: there's always a risk the world will go down :D [09:20:30] i'll bring up the banner later at work [09:20:35] need to get ready now - only 10 mins left before i need to leave [09:20:37] :) [09:20:44] on december the 21st, yes, but in the meantime... [09:20:50] lol [09:20:51] bye Lydia_WMDE :) [09:21:03] will be back in 40 mins or so [09:21:11] laters [09:23:17] So... [09:23:36] hsarrazin: which script are you using? is there a link? [09:23:49] New patchset: Henning Snater; "Fluid site links table layout" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31196 [09:25:16] yes... Sk1d https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#SlurpInterwiki_script [09:25:32] should be put in Gadgets :) [09:26:05] The script isn't working for me. [09:26:11] it's very useful, and Tpt is improving it "just now"... I noticed changes in the way it works during the morning.. [09:27:08] kondi: did you look in the left column ? [09:27:22] it works when there is at least one link already :) [09:27:29] yeah, It worked last time I was editing - about bout 9 hours ago [09:28:27] i don't see the 'Import interwiki' link anymore [09:35:29] kondi: you should report it to Tpt (on his discussion page) so that he can see what's wrong... [09:35:37] it works fine for me, just now :) [09:36:55] hmm :) I'm trying again. [09:37:20] kondi: did you try to "update" the page you want to launch the script on ? it only works after updating after you add the first link… [09:37:55] I know. I've used this before and it did work. Idk why it's not working now. :( [09:40:52] kondi: I cannot find your account… do you use another nick ? [09:41:01] it's kondicherry [09:48:07] hsarrazin I tried it with mozilla and it worked [09:49:08] i mean firefox :| [09:50:22] yes, I'm on Ffx too [09:53:27] the chrome console says Uncaught SyntaxError: Unexpected string :/ [09:54:37] DanielK_WMDE: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&namedcmd=1d-all&list_id=156650 [09:54:42] those are all the bugs in the past day [09:57:25] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41615 [09:57:56] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41606 <-- dup [10:15:42] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "@reedy: old entries in the table will be updated, using the site's global key (aka database name) as..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31065 [10:29:45] !nyan [10:29:46] ~=[,,_,,]:3 [10:40:15] under contributions you don't see any labels but only item numbers - bug or feature? [10:42:50] AnjaJ_WMDE: missing feature [10:43:55] will file a bug then [10:49:46] New patchset: Henning Snater; "Entity selector: Auto-completing alias instead of label when search hits on alias" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31203 [11:04:54] New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "JS refactoring: Api.js (DO NOT MERGE)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31206 [11:10:36] !nyan [11:10:36] ~=[,,_,,]:3 [11:10:38] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added factory function for simple getter test functions" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31208 [11:12:24] DanielK_WMDE: here are some ideas for getting the content model https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/31209/ [11:15:23] nevermind [11:15:38] hello [11:27:50] hi Nikerabbit [11:31:33] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added factory function for simple getter test functions" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31208 [11:41:01] Nikerabbit: if you have time, maybe you can check https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41625 and https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41627 [11:42:53] Denny_WMDE: of course [11:44:50] 41625 is blocking IME on wikidata right now. we would switch it on again if that is fixed. [11:48:08] New patchset: Jens Ohlig; "wbsearchentities to use prefixed ID" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31215 [11:51:38] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added MultilingualTextValue and tests" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31216 [12:18:15] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "(Bug 40561) Rename wbsetitem to wbeditentity" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31221 [12:19:06] New patchset: Aude; "adding some i18n to the recent changes lines" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30998 [12:40:21] Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31215 [12:54:53] Merlissimo: May you give me the source code of the part of your bot that create description ? That will help me for my gadget ? [13:04:25] Abraham_WMDE1, AnjaJ_WMDE, DanielK_WMDE_, Danwe, TobiasG_WMDE, Silke_WMDE_, aude, Denny_WMDE, Lydia_WMDE: Pick your Onigiri option here: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Jens_Ohlig#Onigiri_at_Wikidata [13:05:52] Jens_WMDE: but we are not making them ourselves, right? (because it says "easy… for beginners" [13:06:37] Denny_WMDE: no, natsuko will deliver them. [13:08:31] done [13:08:37] thx [13:08:48] aude: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41633 [13:10:41] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "removed inconsistent return" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31226 [13:11:37] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added missing @throws" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31228 [13:12:16] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "@hashar, @Nikerabbit: wgUser is used by the API for authentication, tokens, and permission checks. I..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31016 [13:14:52] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Remove unused variables" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31229 [13:15:30] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "blah - do not merge" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28535 [13:19:01] New patchset: Aude; "adding some i18n to the recent changes lines" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30998 [13:19:36] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "blah - do not merge" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28535 [13:21:43] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Undo rename from snaktype to type. Type is already used for entity types, so this will cause confusion" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31230 [13:32:40] New patchset: Aude; "add $wgWBExternalRecentChanges setting to enable or disable the external RC stuff" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30948 [13:35:21] New review: Hashar; "Indeed, lets keep hacking stuff till we get rid of $wgUser :-]" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31016 [13:35:31] New review: Hashar; "Indeed, lets keep hacking stuff till we get rid of $wgUser :-]" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31016 [13:35:31] Change merged: Hashar; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31016 [13:35:41] DanielK_WMDE_: merged your $wgUser madness :-] [13:35:55] DanielK_WMDE_: I am not going to ask you to refactor our code to get rid of $wgUser ;-]]]]]]] [13:36:01] was just wondering if we had a nicer way to handle it [13:36:15] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Disable wbsearchentities on request by Denny" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (0.2.x) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31233 [13:38:27] TobiasG_WMDE: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/project:mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase+owner:aude+status:open,n,z [13:38:36] Jens_WMDE: ^ [13:38:56] if anyone cares to review some stuff now :) [13:39:29] New review: John Erling Blad; "I'm not sure if it is a good thing to expose snaks in the APi, and I do not think it is a good thing..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31230 [13:41:13] Change merged: Jens Ohlig; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31221 [13:41:39] most important is https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/30948/ [13:43:27] Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (0.2.x) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31233 [13:55:15] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "fixed some indent" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31236 [13:55:47] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "blah - do not merge" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28535 [14:00:07] Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31226 [14:00:12] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Comment out dependency check on DV extensions" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (0.2.x) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31238 [14:02:01] Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (0.2.x) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31238 [14:03:18] Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31236 [14:05:08] Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31228 [14:11:47] New review: John Erling Blad; "There were 6 failures:" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: -1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30963 [14:17:05] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added property serializer" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28535 [14:17:54] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Remove unused variables" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31229 [14:18:01] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Remove unused variables" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31229 [14:29:07] New patchset: Henning Snater; "More precise vertical position of label "saving" message" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31241 [14:33:28] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "(Bug 40561) Fix so sitelinks isn't used any places than in items" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31242 [14:40:42] New patchset: Aude; "only show edit link for namespaces that use wikibase links" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31243 [14:42:12] TobiasG_WMDE: Jens_WMDE poke: :) https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/project:mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase+owner:aude+status:open,n,z [14:42:42] and anyone else who wants to merge some code [14:42:48] Henning_WMDE: ^^^^ [14:42:53] :D [14:43:02] it all works [14:44:29] * aude is probably not going to squeeze more patches in during the next 15 minutes, so are there other important patches that need review? [14:45:42] Change merged: Jens Ohlig; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31065 [14:45:43] * aude working on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/31065/ [14:46:04] ok nevermind [14:50:29] Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28535 [14:59:14] Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31229 [15:02:18] Soooooooooooooooooooooo [15:06:26] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31194 [15:07:09] can we add items and depending items to be backported on gdocs again? https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.de/document/d/1k6ShnElokN6bpohNBwzljr5F0FJtLyve-9ti8xsFkO0/edit [15:09:33] TobiasG_WMDE: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/31211/ [15:10:56] aude: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/30948/ needs a rebase [15:11:03] ugh [15:13:54] New review: Jens Ohlig; "Could not verify. Code looks simple enough to be okay, though." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31242 [15:14:40] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Some minor remarks" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28527 [15:18:07] Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31243 [15:18:46] Lydia_WMDE: probably you shouldn't be speaking at this conference, right? http://berlin.thefailcon.com/about.html [15:20:25] New patchset: Reedy; "Introducing maintenance/populateSitesTable.php" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (wikidata-wmfphase1beta) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31250 [15:21:03] Change merged: Jens Ohlig; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31242 [15:22:17] Can someone verify 31250 for me please? Cherry pick onto wikidata-wmfphase1beta [15:23:01] Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31196 [15:24:06] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "More precise vertical position of label "saving" message" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31241 [15:28:59] Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31241 [15:31:10] Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31001 [15:33:58] New review: Tobias Gritschacher; "needs rebase" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30948 [15:34:18] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "merging into deployment branch" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (wikidata-wmfphase1beta); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31250 [15:34:18] Change merged: Daniel Kinzler; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (wikidata-wmfphase1beta) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31250 [15:38:38] New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Make hooks more robust against missing content" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31254 [15:45:26] Sites cache updated on wikidatawiki.org to be protocol relative now... [15:46:26] Reedy: thanks! [15:48:28] New patchset: Reedy; "Fix trx related error" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (wikidata-wmfphase1beta) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31257 [15:48:43] Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (wikidata-wmfphase1beta) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31257 [15:49:39] New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Fix ItemMoveTest with items in main NS." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31258 [15:51:52] Damn you gerrit [15:52:32] Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31258 [15:54:43] Just curious... Does anyone think that the number of RfA´s on Wikidata is too much? [15:56:59] And that should be undeletion etc fixed [15:57:04] Maybe, maybe not. It's a new community.. [15:57:57] Well, I don´t really like the fact that there are 33 RFA´s now, Reedy [15:58:10] Tough? [15:58:16] huh? [15:58:41] New patchset: Aude; "store rc_bot in change info blob" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30803 [15:59:39] New patchset: Aude; "store rc_bot in change info blob" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30803 [16:00:16] good afternoon [16:00:21] Wiki13: what would a reasonable number be? [16:00:26] eh [16:00:27] hi Romaine [16:01:04] ~8 - 14 should be enough at this time [16:01:23] Wiki13: something to bring up on the discussion page? :) [16:02:07] With nearly 300,000 revisions in less than 4 days.... [16:02:42] Guys, which tasks can I do to help this new project? :-) [16:02:45] I think i´ll bring it up on the talk page [16:02:46] By the way - hi, Wiki13! I'm Sumana Harihareswara - you? [16:03:05] Wiki13: comment here ;) https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Proposal:_Limit_the_number_of_bureaucrats_and_admins [16:03:10] Reedy: you joining us? [16:03:14] Oh, crap [16:03:18] Yes, I will [16:03:27] (no one there yet, though :) ) [16:03:27] (so don't feel bad yet) [16:03:32] heh [16:03:41] MW-W: thanks for the link [16:03:43] too late :( [16:04:24] hi TuurDS! https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Volunteers [16:04:25] TuurDS: do you want to work on Wikidata.org or on the code project behind it? [16:04:32] actually TuurDS https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Contribute [16:04:45] * sumanah should have known Lydia_WMDE was on the case! [16:04:46] I think he wants to work on wikidata.org [16:04:58] That's right ;-) [16:05:06] I'll check the Contribute-page, thx [16:05:39] Oh, it says "Once Wikidata is up and running you can help with migrating language links, infoboxes and more.". But now Wikidata is launched, so... [16:06:02] Well, it's not exactly launched [16:06:04] Aha [16:06:06] Everything could get deleted tomorrosw [16:06:06] file transfer is something for Commons, not Wikidata I think [16:07:02] I think when bots would import all interwiki's from projects, it would be better in quality [16:07:12] humans can solve the iw problems [16:07:26] bots are better with data transfer [16:07:59] Hi sumanah [16:08:02] hi kondi [16:08:25] I'm Konarak, if you remember. :) [16:09:09] We met at the event, yes? :) [16:10:09] No, I couldn't come to Berlin. [16:10:30] Mumbai? [16:11:26] nope, we haven't met actually. [16:12:55] hi [16:13:41] never mind then! [16:13:50] hi kondi - we have seen each other online for sure. [16:13:50] :) [16:14:00] haha, yes :) [16:15:31] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/30722/ [16:15:38] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/30724/ [16:15:45] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/30776/ [16:15:52] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/30778/ [16:16:02] OAI changes ---^ [16:16:26] New patchset: Aude; "add $wgWBExternalRecentChanges setting to enable or disable the external RC stuff" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30948 [16:17:54] is there a mailing list about wikidata? [16:18:05] yes [16:18:05] Vito: Yes. [16:18:23] Vito: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata [16:18:26] ty [16:18:41] there have been already a thread about flags? [16:19:17] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l actually [16:19:31] the other one isn't supposed to be used [16:19:47] Vito: about flags as in? [16:19:55] userflags [16:20:14] I want to point out my suggestion to give temporary adminship in this phase [16:20:19] rather than permanent one [16:20:32] Vito: that's best discussed on wiki [16:20:42] where more of the relevant people see it [16:20:56] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Proposal:_Limit_the_number_of_bureaucrats_and_admins [16:21:12] yep I already put a comment about that thread [16:21:24] but onwiki discussions are quite confusing now [16:21:42] hello :) [16:21:52] hi Sebleouf [16:21:53] o/ [16:22:02] Vito: i fear the right people are not on the mailing list for that :/ [16:22:11] .__. [16:22:41] Lydia_WMDE: anyway if rights will managed by local staffers mine will be a simple proposal [16:23:03] if they will be set up by stewards well mine wont be a simple proposal ^^ [16:23:37] Vito: staff as in wikidata dev team will not decide on it [16:23:53] we've not been given the mandate to do so and we shouldn't be doing it [16:24:50] oh I see [16:25:38] Vito: Wikidata is a community project now. Well, sort-of now. When it 'launches'. [16:26:11] James_F: in early stage we use to give just temporary flags [16:26:14] *stages [16:26:35] Vito: Not true. Commons gave out permanent flags (and later converted all sysops to being "if active"). [16:26:50] James_F: commons has been started when? [16:26:52] Vito: All other comparisons are unhelpful. Wikidata is a lot like Commons in scope and use. [16:27:18] to me is similar to a small wiki now [16:27:18] Vito: Other projects require the same community to be static over time, so you try to shape it towards a smaller number of very-committed individuals. [16:27:51] Vito: I disagree. Wikidata is a perfect analogue to Commons - a shared resource for all our projects that needs to be tended to in its own right, but also understand and serve the other projects. [16:28:25] commons' is quite simpler to edit [16:28:50] wikidata is now experiencing an high level of interest since is a new and "weird" project [16:32:36] Vito: Surely that means we'll need more sysops, not fewer? [16:33:16] James_F: that means many users will part within weeks [16:33:29] hopefully being replaced by others [16:33:43] Vito: So remove sysops at the 3-month-inactivity level then. [16:33:57] Vito: Or, better, encourage them to come back. :-) [16:34:30] having temporary renewable sysops for ~6 months will have the same effect with fewer dramas ;) [16:34:55] Possibly. :-) [16:34:59] In my opinion less drama is good [16:35:30] If someone leaves it should not be dramatic to remove the rights [16:35:53] It should also be easy to add them back [16:36:06] I agree. [16:36:40] To remove rights when someone is gone lessen the risk for the project [16:36:49] Not really. [16:37:11] The "risk" is tiny and anything they do is almost always fixable. [16:37:32] Oh yes, because a user that is gone will not notice if someone breaks in to his account [16:37:32] The trust and feeling of belonging to the community that you've destroyed by taking away their rights, however... :-) [16:38:00] jeblad_WMDE: Given that all accounts are global, this is not a local concern specific to any one wiki. [16:38:09] Make it non-problematic to remove and put back rights [16:38:23] Humans don't work like that. [16:39:26] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added MW API module to use ValueParsers" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31266 [16:39:27] renewable sysops create dramas, and actually quite huge ones [16:39:34] I agree. [16:39:50] Whereas removing it after inactivity (if you have to remove it at all) is much better. [16:40:02] But lesser ones if sysops comes with the knowledge that there will be a renewal [16:40:38] In swedish wp they started with yearly renewals [16:40:51] * James_F nods. [16:41:09] If you analyze the effects in movement internally in the community you find great instabillity [16:42:03] Introduction of yearly renewals triggered cycles in activity among the most active [16:43:04] so I say, make it easy to remove sysop rights and easy to get them bac, and perhaps if its necessary a bi-yearly renewal [16:43:44] jeblad_WMDE: Bi-yearly meaning every 2 or every 1/2? [16:43:44] But don't make it a big thing to be sysop.. ;) [16:43:58] 24 months and renew [16:44:12] That works for me. [16:44:19] Its a safty to get rid of people that doesn't fit [16:44:41] But KISS, keep it simple [16:45:16] Not type english disection of the candidates brain [16:48:17] Note that this is only my thoughts, none here has to my knowldge said anything about sysops and how to organize them [16:53:09] jeblad_WMDE: can you review reedy's https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/30737/ ? you said we can#t merge it due to return bool? [16:55:23] Its mostly an issue where two IDEs handle a type different. Eclipse do it one way (our-way) and PHPStorm do it another way (Reedy-way) [16:55:57] We can merge if its important, but its basically just style changes in the doc [16:57:09] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added tests for the ValueParserFactory and removed registration of non-existing parser :)" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31269 [16:58:34] AnjaJ_WMDE: ..but I would rather have a decission on how we should do this.. [16:59:03] denny had this on the crucial merge list [17:01:59] New patchset: Henning Snater; "Re-enable quick tabbing out of site id input box" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31272 [17:06:18] hello [17:06:24] I need to disable the Jenkins job for Wikibase [17:06:37] the update.php script eat all memory on the box and send it to swap [17:06:45] I can't investigate that today, will look at it tomorrow [17:10:21] New patchset: Aude; "show deletion log instead of diff for RC when items are deleted" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30981 [17:10:24] Change merged: Denny Vrandecic; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31230 [17:13:41] Danwe: www.wikimediaconferentie.nl/ [17:16:58] I've a question about support of sister project: Will this support added during phase one or at an undefined moment ? [17:18:39] What do you mean by support? [17:18:45] Page move bug is deployed [17:19:27] Wikidata will support Wikipedia, and commons, ie. those in group "wikipedia" [17:19:46] jeblad_WMDE: And noting for the others ? [17:19:49] Tpt: i think it'd be like phase 4 [17:19:49] It is being discussed adaptions for other groups but that is unofficial for now [17:20:18] we have funding up until phase 3, but hope the project gets extended to do more after [17:20:26] * jeblad_WMDE straps audes hends with gaffa tape [17:21:02] * aude strangles jeblad_WMDE :) [17:21:14] ..hands I guess, .. hey I'm Norwegian and can't write nenglishj [17:21:22] I've look at the source code of Wikibase and it's loo like pretty easy to add support of sister project. [17:21:27] supporting wikisource would be awesome but there's more than enough scope already [17:21:43] Tpt: yes, if volunteers can help us, then all the better and more possibilities [17:22:19] I'me volonteer to help you for Wikisource support. [17:22:32] yay! [17:22:36] I think wiktionary will be one additional year, with addition of data linguists [17:22:54] * aude also interested in wikivoyage use of wikidata [17:23:04] see a lot of potential, obviously [17:23:20] ...and specialized stuff for Commons. [17:23:27] yep [17:23:34] * jeblad_WMDE calls 911 to get out of here.. [17:23:35] one information coming from the sf call: we do not have to have the branch finished today. we should still aim for "as soon as possible" (daniel will make an effort tomorrow), but we need to get the failing tests fixed first [17:25:07] A first step maybe the support only for Author namepace: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Jean_de_La_Fontaine [17:25:09] There are a lot of links between Wikipedia and Wikisource author pages so it will be pretty easy to run a bot to add links to author pages in Wikidata pages. [17:25:10] Tpt: If you want to help out there are several open bugs [17:25:21] * aude nods [17:25:22] Some of them on Javascript stuff [17:26:02] But what I really would like is someone who wants to work on quality assurance stuff [17:26:35] That is, not qa for our code and process but for the produced content [17:26:45] We have a few open bugs for that [17:27:13] And also, there are bugs for a bunch of other and simpler stuff.. [17:27:42] Ok. I'll take a look at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=need-volunteer%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&emailcc1=1&resolution=---&emailtype1=exact&emailassigned_to1=1&query_format=advanced&email1=wikidata-bugs%40lists.wikimedia.org&list_id=156768 [17:27:56] A special page for translating labels accross items and accross languages, posibly with help of the translate extension [17:28:10] If you'd like to get to watch what used to be a WMF-only meeting, join #wikimedia-metrics-meetings for the monthly meeting - more information: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings [17:28:12] about to start [17:28:16] as a YouTube stream [17:28:19] oooh [17:28:40] I can post a few of the bugs on the chat page.. [17:28:57] But now, the WMF Matrix meeting! [17:30:09] http://youtu.be/vqAsiCctZjU [17:35:05] whoops, I mean #wikimedia-office [17:43:20] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Tidy up inconsistent returns" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30737 [17:46:52] It's a Denny_WMDE1 [17:47:03] A big Denny_WMDE1 [17:50:27] New review: John Erling Blad; "The actual solution for bool vs. false can be fixed later. After a short discussion it seems like so..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30737 [17:50:27] Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30737 [17:54:41] Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31266 [17:57:45] it's a Lydia_WMDE [17:58:01] wooohoo great Denny_WMDE1 [17:58:05] Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31254 [17:59:06] :) [17:59:57] nice presentation, Lydia_WMDE & Denny_WMDE1! Congrats to the whole team. It's really much more visible now of course how rockin' and useful this will be to all Wikimedia projects [18:00:17] wait for phase 2 :) that will be really nice [18:11:32] tpt? [18:11:43] Wiki13: Yes [18:12:01] your script is giving some box undfined after updating iw´s [18:12:13] undefined* [18:12:26] why´s that? [18:13:01] Wiki13: Witch language do you use ? [18:13:09] Dutch (nl) [18:13:39] does anything needs to be translated or? [18:14:52] it seems to be the box that popups when it´s done [18:16:48] give me a ping if you need me [18:19:11] Wiki13: I think I've fixed the problem. Can you verify ? [18:19:34] ok, I will try with a new article or so [18:23:00] New patchset: Aude; "show deletion log instead of diff for RC when items are deleted" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30981 [18:23:00] New patchset: Aude; "adding some i18n to the recent changes lines" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30998 [18:23:00] New patchset: Aude; "cleaning up recent changes code, ExternalRecentChange stuff to handle more stuff" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30809 [18:23:15] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added high level test for the ApiParseValue module" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31292 [18:24:06] thanks tpt! [18:24:14] It´s fixed [18:53:59] The page at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6387 ran insecure content from http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?callback=jQuery18209706002068705857_1351796013153&action=opensearch&namespace=0&suggest=&search=Boeing. [18:55:26] Hmmm [18:55:43] what? [18:56:12] we might have a bug for that [18:56:13] autocomplete [18:56:22] i see [18:56:35] The changing of site stuff to prot rel *should* have fixed this... [18:56:41] unless I'm missing something inbetween [19:00:02] James_F: FYI http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Proposal:_Limit_the_number_of_bureaucrats_and_admins [19:00:04] unless there's hardcoded http somewhere [19:00:19] Vito: Thanks, will give input there. [19:00:28] trying to replicate [19:02:12] James_F: I was probably underextimating the willing to build a local indipendent community [19:04:15] i keep getting server responded: timeout [19:04:26] trying to add links but maybe i'm doin gsomething wrong [19:04:54] i also see an accept origin issue that might be blocking something [19:05:10] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41632 [19:05:44] The page at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6408 ran insecure content from http://de.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?callback=jQuery1820733587673632428_1351796717440&action=opensearch&namespace=0&suggest=&search=fro. [19:05:50] see it [19:08:03] Opensearch is being accessed from the ui at the repo [19:08:15] that means an access from the browser [19:08:31] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41654 [19:10:30] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41506 was the original bug... [19:16:00] Its in the js-code .. but now they are using the url from the api, but is they really doing that.. [19:22:33] ahem... why I can't log in anymore? [19:22:41] is something happening? [19:23:58] I log in, it says "you're correctly logged in", but then I'm not logged in at all [19:24:19] (cookies on) [19:26:16] only on FF O_o on Chrome works [19:31:59] does anyone know the link for the bug on bugzilla where you can´t add descriptions in a other language [19:32:11] other thean* [19:32:13] an* [19:32:25] other than your own [19:34:03] Wiki13: looking [19:34:40] bah [19:34:45] need to run [19:34:45] back in a sec [19:36:10] Reedy: still poking [19:36:39] Sannita: There's a bug with SUL right now, some WMF folks are working on it. [19:36:48] James_F: thanks [19:38:39] Wiki13: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39173 for one [19:39:16] Wiki13: also https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36430 [19:39:30] thanks [19:40:21] Wiki13: for the future you can search for bugs assigned to wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org and those cc'd to this list [19:40:28] then you find them all [19:40:51] also https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40744 [19:41:04] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41597 [19:45:38] and with that i will leave the building [19:45:44] see you later tonight or tomorrow :) [19:47:18] ok [19:51:12] o/͠ [19:53:59] Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30961 [19:55:15] Change on 12mediawiki a page Extension:Wikibase was modified, changed by Jeroen De Dauw link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=600235 edit summary: [19:55:51] Change on 12mediawiki a page Extension:WikibaseLib was modified, changed by Jeroen De Dauw link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=600236 edit summary: [19:56:04] Change on 12mediawiki a page Extension:Wikibase Client was modified, changed by Jeroen De Dauw link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=600238 edit summary: [20:01:40] New patchset: Tpt; "Make Special:CreateItem handle site and page params." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31308 [20:02:09] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "fixed type hint" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31309 [20:02:31] New patchset: Tpt; "(bug 40509) Make Special:CreateItem handle site and page params." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31308 [20:10:43] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41658 Bad content model: expected javascript but got wikitext. [20:30:03] ugh [20:45:16] Any sysadmins in here now that would be able to enable transwiki imports from meta? [20:45:58] (or stewards that could check if importing from xml upload works?) [20:54:03] I can do that [20:54:09] What are you wanting to import? [20:55:31] There was a request on the chat page. [20:55:36] Linik? [20:55:37] Reedy: is resource modules stuff cached for wikidata? [20:55:45] Sorry, I need to go now, I'll get a link when I get back. [20:55:58] seems the js console is not returning the right stuff mw.config.get('wbSiteDetails'); [20:56:02] Should be, same as everywhere else... [20:56:13] vs. same code on my test machine [20:56:42] there is a resource module generated with php [20:56:42] mw.config.get('wgDBname'); [20:56:42] "wikidatawiki" [20:56:42] that one works ;) [20:56:43] yes [20:56:51] mw.config.get('wbSiteDetails'); works but gives http: urls [20:57:18] i checked the toolserver and it has relative urls so i think the db is okay [20:57:40] yeah, i confirmed that earlier [20:57:47] i've tried logging in, etc. [20:57:55] new browser [20:58:09] maybe the resources need to be rebuilt [20:58:09] if you do mw.config.get('wbSiteDetails'); [20:58:10] what do you get? [20:58:37] null [20:58:39] hm? [20:58:45] * aude gets apiUrl: "//am.wikipedia.org/w/api.php" [20:58:51] mw.config.get('wbSiteDetails'); [20:58:51] null [20:58:51] for example [20:58:54] what? [20:59:09] oh [20:59:11] yes [20:59:14] mw.config.get('wbSiteDetails'); [20:59:20] typed it right [20:59:34] i get http: [20:59:36] so do i [20:59:37] on a age that is special [20:59:48] apiUrl: "http://aa.wikipedia.org/w/api.php" [21:00:02] that's not what it should be [21:00:03] mmm [21:00:55] i think it only has like a 15 minute cache time [21:01:15] a:1:{s:5:"paths";a:2:{s:9:"file_path";s:23:"//aa.wikipedia.org/w/$1";s:9:"page_path";s:26:"//aa.wikipedia.org/wiki/$1";}} [21:01:15] hmmm [21:01:29] that's what i see in the toolserver [21:01:30] Is there a way to make a join between page (or an other table that list entities) and wb_terms tables ? [21:01:44] I wonder if it's the other cache then.. [21:01:45] lets see [21:02:16] if the code gets the right thing from the db, then i think it can be made to do the right thing [21:02:28] it's simply getting the wrong thing now [21:02:35] or so, appears with js [21:02:41] yeah [21:02:46] ERr [21:03:03] let's see with my test machine, to get it to do right [21:03:18] looks like it's cache related... [21:03:25] var_dump( Sites::singleton()->getSites() ); [21:03:34] ["file_path"]=> string(28) "http://zu.wikibooks.org/w/$1" [21:03:34] etc [21:04:01] lol [21:04:08] aude: hard refresh and try again [21:04:16] var_dump( count( Sites::singleton()->getSites( 'foobar' ) ) ); [21:04:18] ok [21:04:22] ["file_path"]=> string(23) "//zu.wikibooks.org/w/$1" [21:04:29] I'm guessing the maintenance script didn't purge the cache... [21:05:06] much better [21:05:12] let's see if it works or needs tweaking in the code [21:05:52] \Sites::singleton()->getSites( false ); // re-cache [21:06:09] seems doing the right thing now [21:06:10] https://de.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?callback=jQuery182032172890566289425_1351803880364&action=opensearch&namespace=0&suggest=&search=Spritzloch [21:06:31] yay [21:06:32] :D [21:06:45] that was fun to debug [21:07:13] I essentially did the same as the maintenance script [21:07:19] I wonder why that didn't purge the cache.. [21:07:56] no idea [21:08:38] alright, time to go home :) [21:08:41] * aude hungry [21:09:02] if there are any other issues, please report them on bugzilla or i may check in later [21:19:05] Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31309 [21:22:29] * Sannita gives aude a load of cookies [21:38:57] 7,000 items reached :) [21:41:13] We'll certainly hit 10k before the week is out... [21:46:18] ok.. seriously... http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?diff=285143&oldid=284513 [21:46:32] -.- [21:46:42] :D [21:47:00] ja [21:47:30] I´m just thinking: if don´t need any why would he post this nonsense? [21:47:43] to make a point, I guess? [21:48:26] obviously [21:48:32] 37 requests for adminship is amusing [21:48:40] to show that less sysops are needed [21:49:51] indeed [21:50:05] that´s I was thinking too [21:50:21] that was [21:50:22] * [21:50:37] whatever [21:50:52] It´s just ridiculous [21:50:56] that many [21:51:47] heh, that made me notice this is missing on en but exists in ja http://ja.wiktionary.org/wiki/too_many_chiefs_and_not_enough_Indians [21:52:26] imagining at some point i use wikidata to add translations for wiktionary too [21:52:57] mutante: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/too_many_cooks_spoil_the_broth [21:53:12] yea, it seemed slightly different though [21:53:51] the "cooks" one does not refer to to users/admins as much [21:58:18] it was pretty cool being able to stay home but still see the metrics meeting presentation [22:00:47] good proverb :) [22:02:11] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Thanks for the patch! The code looks great (although there is a minor issue that needs to be taken c..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31308 [22:05:26] Users from a given community (fr.wp etc.) vote for some people only because they know him/her [22:05:41] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions#User:Lomita [22:05:55] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions#User:Grondin [22:06:16] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Meodudlye [22:06:28] New review: John Erling Blad; "Nice! Still this needs further discussion because there is a reason why we didn't included this, as ..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31308 [22:07:07] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Le_pro_du_94_:) [22:07:37] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/EoWinn [22:07:53] etc. etc. [22:09:12] doesn't seem like a bad thing [22:11:18] no one really has wikidata as their home project yet [22:12:24] YairRand: {{citation needed}} [22:12:24] 10[2] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:citation_needed [22:12:40] or better, it won't be a bad thing, as long as they are not flag seekers [22:13:17] Sannita: you think there are users who's home project is wikidata already? [22:13:59] YairRand: no, I just have some fears about people who are not admin on their home wiki and are seeking what they lack on their home wiki [22:14:25] ah, that could be an issue [22:14:39] but I'm well known on it.wiki to be someone who doesn't assume everytime good faith [22:14:52] (and 99% of times, is right in doing so) [22:15:03] :) [22:15:22] Users whose contributions are only on the Permissions request page seem clearly a problem to me [22:15:32] +1 [22:15:49] New review: John Erling Blad; "Basically Bug 40509 - Special:CreateItem doesn't handle site and page params" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31308 [22:15:51] yes, I agree [22:16:09] I suspect most people would also [22:17:24] We will have to check the contributions of the voters when we chose the sysops [22:17:42] who is 'we' actually ? [22:18:11] The royal we [22:18:19] * Sannita is republican [22:19:10] ahah basically all the votes on http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions#User:Lomita are from fr.wp users :) [22:20:05] Which is a also sign that the candidate is a good sysop on fr.wp, I don't deny it [22:21:32] and wikidata really should have admins who are active in major languages [22:21:32] could be [22:21:51] preferably on wikidata, though [22:22:23] * Lydia_WMDE waves from her couch [22:23:12] * Sannita waves back to Lydia_WMDE [22:23:16] 'lo Sannita [22:23:18] how are you? [22:23:29] Lydia_WMDE: fine, busy with time zones on 'data [22:23:42] \o/ [22:23:45] nice idea [22:23:54] although! [22:23:58] timezones should die!!! [22:23:59] :D [22:24:02] +1 [22:24:08] :D [22:24:10] Everyone should just use UTC [22:24:15] ack [22:24:23] Rule Britannia and all that [22:24:27] lol [22:24:29] right [22:24:37] England prevails (quot.) [22:24:37] i'm sure James_F would approve [22:25:21] someone was talking about doing all the languages [22:25:26] anyone know what's the status of that? [22:25:58] "doing all the languages" meaning what? [22:26:07] that would be cool, but actually I was thinking to start a "Day of the year task force" [22:26:21] like "January 1", "January 2", and all that [22:26:32] the admins with no other edits are definitely a no [22:26:49] I'm sure if you let some bots loose it wouldn't take long ;) [22:27:24] Reedy, from earlier, http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Import_pages_from_meta [22:27:29] YairRand: items for each language there is [22:27:30] my global sysop tools don't let me do that [22:27:37] Ohh [22:27:43] Easily fixed [22:27:58] awesome [22:28:25] MF-W might have a good point, though. Unless the translation extension is enabled on wikidata (and even if it is), I've never imported pages with it before. [22:28:25] Reedy: actually I was looking for some kind of bot scripts for doing that :D [22:28:40] 'wikidatawiki' => array( 'meta' ), [22:28:42] Easily done [22:28:48] thanks :) [22:28:54] brb again lol [22:28:55] bots should from the beginning have done the massive work [22:29:07] later on users can fix all the interwiki conflicts [22:29:25] all new conflicts [22:31:43] Ajraddatz: I would already have abused my new wiki import tools, if I had been sure it would be easy :P [22:36:25] silly me, I forgot you had those [22:36:37] I might import one to see how it works. [22:36:53] If the results are not pretty, it can be deleted. [22:39:07] it won't be pretty, as the software doesnt know what to do with tags yet [22:39:28] * James_F grins at Lydia_WMDE. [22:39:36] (Belatedly.) [22:39:37] :D [22:39:44] i take it i was right [22:39:52] ;-) [22:42:50] I suppose you're right, will the extension be used on wikidata? [22:44:28] some voting has been started [22:44:38] Ajraddatz: there's a request for having it installed on the project chat page [22:44:41] feel free to chime in there [22:44:46] k, thanks [22:44:52] service: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Translate_extensions :P [22:45:15] \o/ [22:45:37] ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh did you already see https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/31311/ ? [22:45:39] \o/ [22:46:02] congrats to jeroen and daniel who are both not here -.- [23:04:21] Hello all! [23:04:39] * Sven_Manguard sees Lydia_WMDE, toasts [23:04:55] Sven_Manguard: ! [23:05:03] *toast* [23:05:09] *clinks glass* [23:05:18] Good to see it going smoothly. [23:05:33] hmmm actually i'd prefer a hot chocolate to some bubbly wine [23:05:34] but well [23:05:36] Only a few bugs, nothing on fire [23:05:38] will also do :D [23:05:45] yes! [23:05:45] wohoooooooooo [23:05:54] * Sven_Manguard casts a spell on Lydia_WMDE's wine [23:05:54] i'm quite happy how things are going so far [23:05:59] hehe [23:05:59] it's now hot chocolate [23:06:05] yaaaaaay [23:06:16] but! [23:06:19] sadly I forgot to change the wine glass... [23:06:28] so watch your fingers [23:06:28] everyone beware - Sven_Manguard has magic skills! [23:06:30] haha [23:07:10] Seems like Reedy fixed the pesky https bug [23:07:24] Is Reedy WMDE staff? [23:07:31] guess Reedy should get some hot chocolate too then [23:07:38] Sven_Manguard: nope - wmf [23:07:38] But sometimes I get a warning on the ssl certificate [23:07:39] Ah, [23:07:53] That explains how he has adminpowers [23:07:55] jeblad_WMDE: We were WTFing at why it was fine in the database [23:08:07] I gave birth to the wiki! [23:08:20] jeblad_WMDE: Then I looked at what the cache was returning. Pfft [23:08:34] Reedy: Mazeltov. [23:08:37] ah, our caching.. [23:08:54] The maintenance script should've dealt with it.. [23:08:56] Oh well [23:09:07] * jeblad_WMDE throws http cookies at reedy [23:09:09] Reedy: is it ever going to be possible to re-use the old numbers that have been deleted? [23:09:19] Ask the WMDE guys [23:09:23] no [23:09:45] or, well, there is a backdoor [23:09:49] as it always is [23:10:14] jeblad_WMDE: so those numbers are gone forever? [23:10:42] ..gone, like tears in rain,... [23:10:50] ..timee .. to .. die .. [23:11:18] Sven_Manguard: Essentially. It's more important that we don't corrupt the semantic history than that we keep reference numbers small. :-) [23:12:06] Okay. So should we not re-use the ones that are put up for deletion as blank, or - so long as we catch them before they get deleted - can they be repurposed? [23:12:20] its right, the identifiers will be truly static [23:12:29] Sven_Manguard: No, REALLY do not re-purpose them. That defeats most of the point of Wikidata. [23:13:09] It is a counter that (nearly) can't be reset [23:13:11] Oh. Well the ones that were repurposed were *always* blank [23:14:00] Did you check them in every language? [23:14:08] jeblad_WMDE: Implement defrag [23:14:49] James_F: Yes [23:15:20] did someone just enable extension:Translate? [23:16:03] If by just, you mean half an hour ago [23:16:28] yes, that's pretty much what I meant [23:16:43] PHP Catchable fatal error: Argument 2 passed to Wikibase\RepoHooks::onPageContentLanguage() must be an instance of Language, string given in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.21wmf3/extensions/Wi [23:16:43] kibase/repo/Wikibase.hooks.php on line 153 [23:16:52] ^ who wants a bug [23:18:08] Reedy: You broke it, you fix it? ;-) [23:19:20] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41667 [23:20:02] You get a really white page.. [23:22:19] Nah, wasn't me [23:24:31] I've started to import those glossary pages, but I've never used the transwiki import before (only xml upload). If I'm screwing stuff up please let me know :p [23:24:54] Lydia_WMDE: My crowning achievement thus far has been snagging Q5000 [23:24:56] Your in good company [23:25:10] Ajraddatz: you can screw less things up when using transwiki import :P [23:25:10] everyone her has a nice list of screwups [23:25:26] I break wikipedia most weeks... [23:25:30] jeblad_WMDE: I've never screwed up, because I'm pefrect. And stuff. [23:25:41] Sven_Manguard: :D not bad! now make jeroen happy and snap 9001 and make it "over 9000" :D [23:26:07] Overall the pages are coming in nicely, though the extension doesn't seem to have all the same features as the one on meta does [23:26:29] Ajraddatz: your revisions look sane [23:26:39] Glad to hear it [23:26:50] Reedy, thats a tough one [23:47:32] Ajraddatz: maybe you should get translation adminship and mark the page for translation to see what happens then [23:48:06] good idea, how do I do that? heh [23:48:56] It is very nice that the community starts to use the vocabulary at that page [23:49:10] Lydia_WMDE: Why is the tabs icon for Wikidata the top half of the WMF logo with the word "office" [23:49:38] Sven_Manguard: supposedly some caching issue [23:49:45] Ah. [23:49:46] Ajraddatz: get a crat/steward to give you the right, then admire the fancy buttons [23:49:52] The whole idea is pretty confusing, so by using common vocabulary we are less confusing [23:50:06] * jeblad_WMDE is always confused [23:50:22] I don't actually get any favicon at the moment... [23:50:35] Reedy: Oo [23:50:36] that's a new one [23:50:41] oooh, hotcats [23:50:49] I get a piece of paper.. [23:50:53] Oh, no [23:50:58] I'm looking at the wrong place [23:51:03] ffs [23:51:03] Yeah, it's back to ffice.. [23:51:40] Has someone got the link to the proper icon? [23:51:54] Reedy: isn't it just the logo? [23:52:03] yes, but it's an icon [23:52:06] not a png or whatever [23:52:08] I think Reedy needs a big hug for fixing the https issue.. [23:52:14] Okay [23:52:18] hey somebody hug him! [23:52:27] * Sven_Manguard hires a "lady of the night" to hug Reedy [23:52:36] Reedy: i have it in my inbox - can email if that helps [23:52:41] * Sven_Manguard hires a "lady of the night" to "hug"* Reedy [23:52:47] and it's not just the icon [23:52:50] eh logo [23:52:55] it's actually adapted [23:53:09] I don't have the link, sorry [23:53:52] I know I changed it once [23:53:55] but then we had 3 docroots.... [23:54:09] Lydia_WMDE: email is good [23:54:22] Reedy: will email [23:54:34] thanks [23:54:37] * aude sees favicon at http://wikidata.org/favicon.ico [23:54:48] hmm, yes [23:54:48] https://www.wikidata.org/favicon.ico [23:54:49] but not at http://www.wikidata.org/favicon.ico [23:54:58] this is the office icon.. [23:55:03] hell yes [23:55:05] let me poke the squids [23:55:17] poor squids [23:55:17] Holy shit we're almost at 7500 [23:55:24] Reedy: don't get inked [23:55:46] http://www.wikidata.org/favicon.ico? also works [23:55:46] Reedy, while you're fiddling around back there can you remove the automatic filter of translations from the rc? [23:56:56] now i have the correct icon.. [23:56:58] In just purged some stuff [23:57:11] chrome is being a PITA and caching it in some pages [23:57:19] see it [23:57:58] yup, WFM now in a new browser [23:58:29] reloaded and it works in firefox [23:58:36] Ajraddatz: Any idea if it "works" now on say meta? [23:58:54] It does. [23:59:21] (I think. D:)