[00:01:12] I'm sure on TW they'll actually need it ;) [00:01:35] cleared browsing data and cache in Chrome and reloaded and it works [00:01:55] wheee [00:02:15] $wgTranslateRcFilterDefault = 'filter'; [00:02:52] hoo says that $wgTranslateRcFilterDefault = 'noaction'; will fix that [00:03:20] mmm [00:03:26] doesn't look like it's set anywhere else [00:03:44] * Reedy eyes hoo [00:03:53] hmm [00:03:56] hi :D [00:04:19] hoo, you know that the translation rc filter thing is enabled everywhere else (like on meta)? [00:04:48] No, I grepped through the config. already [00:05:03] i think it is nice.. [00:05:40] maybe something to add to the long list of discussions [00:06:02] Perhaps it should be noaction as default [00:06:08] heh [00:06:16] jeblad_WMDE: Exactly my thought [00:06:19] Do we want it setting then? [00:06:25] Reedy: Yes, please [00:06:32] Oh, and I forgot to write a bug for patrolling [00:06:35] yeah [00:06:52] jeblad_WMDE: Patrolling? [00:07:30] Jyothis, can you make the change I requested in -stewards? [00:07:43] yes, by being able to set autopatroller for known good users the unknown one stands out in recent changes [00:07:57] autopatrol would be nice [00:08:05] when we start going through newpages it'll be a mess otherwise [00:08:07] Oh, I thought we already had this... [00:08:48] I second Ajraddatz [00:09:09] I'd give it to any user that's already an admin on another project, for starters [00:09:24] Sven_Manguard: +1 [00:09:27] and then look at who's got 10, 20, 30K contribs on other projects [00:09:43] We've got 7200 articles in three days. [00:09:54] yay [00:10:05] well, not articles, items [00:10:12] and Lydia_WMDE what's the Q stand for? [00:10:33] Sven_Manguard: nothing - it's just to distinguish [00:10:38] from other stuff later [00:10:49] which will come later? [00:10:57] properties and queries [00:11:09] We should have used I [00:11:12] for Interwiki [00:11:21] so that P could be used for Properties [00:11:24] and Q for Queries [00:11:33] But whatever [00:11:49] Items? Que? -> Q [00:11:55] Do we want patrolling stuff? [00:12:09] yes, as in nowiki [00:12:14] Reedy: Yes. Broad support at the chat [00:12:28] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Patrol_flags [00:12:31] It won't interfere with the extension [00:12:31] plus us in the channel [00:13:19] So... wgUseRCPatrol to true [00:13:26] I think the eglish setup for flagged revs is better, but it won't work with the extension [00:13:36] :( [00:13:40] Reedy: Doesn't that mark ALL changes for patrol? [00:13:44] I have no idea [00:13:54] I guess we only want new pages [00:13:54] that marks all changes for patrol, -autopatrolled [00:14:03] There are additional stuff for nowiki, .. check it? [00:14:13] * Ajraddatz adds a section for an autopatrolled group [00:14:14] wgUseNPPatrol is true by default [00:14:28] Reedy: Yes, for me it already works [00:14:38] but I guess the global rights are the cause [00:14:57] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Autopatrolled [00:15:50] At nowiki there is one group of autopatrollers and one of patrollers [00:15:57] it works quite well [00:15:59] dunno if we need two groups [00:16:08] but whatever works [00:16:33] (if we can trust people to make good pages, I think we can trust them to mark pages as good as well) [00:16:33] We're been using it since 2006 [00:17:15] <3 MF-W [00:17:21] (re: template:doc) [00:17:24] :D [00:17:29] We used two groups to be able to set autopatrolled fairly low, and we let the patrollers handle the rights themselves [00:18:12] * jeblad_WMDE is so amazed by whats going on in the community [00:19:36] It's awesomely crazy [00:20:35] Reedy: the Wikidata community? [00:20:40] yup [00:20:40] It's amazing, no flames yet [00:21:06] http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q7233&action=info [00:21:17] The dev-project is also pretty amazing [00:21:17] I wonder if there should be any additions to action=info by Wikidata [00:21:26] No stewards around to give me translation admin D: [00:21:36] Could one of the WMDE people do it? [00:21:46] And even Reedy worked with us for a few weeks [00:22:22] Ajraddatz: Poke Lydia_WMDE [00:22:56] Lydia_WMDE, I need the translation admin right for a bit to make sure the extension is working correctly. [00:22:58] I think she technically can't, 'crats don't have userrights per default in WMF setups [00:23:24] Ajraddatz: sorry - no :/ - you'll have to wait for a steward - staff can't give out rights [00:23:24] they *should* have the ability to give out translationadmin [00:23:25] k [00:23:38] Arrgh, it's raining again [00:24:06] and with that i go to bed - it's way too late already again and i have to be in an early meeting tomorrow [00:24:07] good night awesome peeps [00:24:08] :) [00:24:11] 'night [00:24:11] night [00:25:31] Goddamnit there are a lot of emperors in the Han Dynasty... [00:27:13] It would be nice to have the parent-child relationship in entities [00:27:27] emperors in a dynasty -thingy [00:28:17] Hugely. [00:28:37] Or for meta-physical concepts. [00:29:05] I suggested it, and was told to 'wait for phase 2' [00:29:11] heh [00:29:19] It is in phase II [00:29:23] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Related_items_links.3F [00:29:34] jeblad_WMDE: we are? [00:29:40] I'm never really sure what's what [00:29:48] it is, not we are [00:30:16] Blaarrrgh. I need to book hotels etc for going to Amsterdam [00:30:18] Phase II is januar-ish [00:31:02] jeblad_WMDE: so what rights do the WMDE staffers have here? Just admin? [00:31:20] admin and 'crats [00:31:32] so you all will be closing the flood of RfAs? [00:31:35] but it is strictly for dev-purposes [00:31:54] stewards will do it [00:31:56] Ah [00:32:23] how many RfA are there atm? [00:32:25] Those are people from the Wikimedia Gondor chapter? [00:32:29] Sannita: 34ish? [00:32:41] :S [00:32:54] there are bukkitloads of rfas [00:32:55] Reedy: There? [00:32:59] Where? [00:33:20] I just noticed that the rcFilter doesn't work... you set it to noaction, but it should be no-action ... [00:33:20] but, before any of those are looked at the discussion on adminship needs to be done on the chat [00:33:40] * Possible values: ('noaction', 'only', 'filter', 'site') [00:33:40] */ [00:33:40] $wgTranslateRcFilterDefault = 'filter'; [00:34:05] whoops [00:34:09] partly my fault [00:34:21] I just copied the wrong doc... [00:38:39] Whose idea was it to have a "Cite this page" in the toolbox? [00:38:46] It's fucking brilliant! [00:41:19] maybe delink or enwikilink the titles in Special:Cite though [00:41:23] hm, wonder if I can do that [00:42:36] woooot, I can [00:42:36] ...if the db was working [00:43:16] http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Cite_text anyone else get db error when viewing this? [00:43:23] Yup [00:43:35] That is... [00:43:51] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41667 [00:44:08] Hopefully someone can deal with that one tomorrow [00:44:32] ah, good [00:44:54] That seems lower priority than some of our other bugs [00:45:17] BTW did they solve the Commons level "aww fuck" bug? [00:45:32] the one where deleted files' histories were damaged [00:45:40] Yeah, that's fixed [00:45:45] Thank goodness. [00:45:55] Any chance the data can be recovered? [00:46:09] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/31350/ [00:46:17] Aaron has written a script... [00:47:19] Sven_Manguard: the next version will have that cite bution on the page of Special:Cite itzself so you can cite the cite [00:47:19] :p [00:47:28] Romaine: hart [00:47:34] har* [00:47:52] Should we be doing entries for things that currently are only in one language? [00:48:02] does that make any sense at all? [00:49:25] I don't think it is a problem [00:49:39] in the end all articles will get translations, just a matter of time [00:49:55] but creating them is not really helpfull [00:50:08] risk of islands is large [00:50:15] Sven_Manguard: I've already discovered things that don't have an English translation. Mostly, it encouraged me to translate them. [00:50:35] James_F: Sarah is doing obscure programmers [00:50:41] Ha. Interesting choice. [00:50:50] * James_F is working through [[Wikidata:TOP 1000 articles Task Force]] [00:50:51] 10[3] 10https://wikidata.wikidata.org/wiki/TOP_1000_articles_Task_Force [00:51:08] I'm doing Chinese dynasties and their emperors [00:51:44] I'm done with time zones and I go to sleep [00:51:45] bot is not working correctly [00:51:49] James_F: Did you just do political parties? [00:51:51] see you tomorrow guys [00:51:58] Sven_Manguard: Yup. [00:52:04] okay, so you're jdforrester [00:52:18] Yes. :-) [00:52:26] I noticed that one came right after one of my emperors [00:52:41] I so wanna just let a few bots loose to fill it up [00:53:10] I'm working at a steady clip, and sometimes there's gaps of 2 or 3 in between my entries, sometimes 0 [00:53:13] Reedy: Tsk. Look how that damaged several of our wikis. [00:54:48] wait wha? [00:55:02] * Reedy looks to find some blinkers for James_F [00:55:02] Reedy: do! [00:55:08] * James_F grins. [00:55:12] * Sven_Manguard whips out his tazer [00:55:18] who's breaking Wikis? [00:55:20] Ooh-err. [00:55:37] * Sven_Manguard pulls out a thermal detonator [00:56:18] I am a princess with daddy issues and a brother with magic powers. Who wants thermal death?! [00:56:54] Actually didn't Princess Leah eventually develop Jedi powers too? [01:00:17] * Romaine notices user imagination [01:07:19] annoying, because label isn't filled in, the search function does not found the Q [01:08:16] Curse you SarahStierch! 7300 should have been *MINE* :D [01:12:54] There is a strange bug with monobook skin [01:13:29] Don't use monobook ;) [01:13:46] monobook is the bug [01:13:52] should I use Vector ? bwahh :) [01:14:03] I actually like vector [01:16:49] | Data Base Name | Data Base Size in GB | [01:16:49] +----------------+----------------------+ [01:16:49] | wikidatawiki | 0.558229193091 | [01:17:34] really? All of Wikidata is still only half a GB? [01:17:43] I have images that size... [01:18:19] * Sven_Manguard puts seven copies of the wiki on his flash drive [01:18:19] one of the other tables was using 1GB when everything else was at a couple of hundred meg [01:18:25] we fixed that though ;) [02:12:53] is there a toolto check if an interwiki is already in use on wikidata somewhere? [02:13:27] Try and add it to a page, it'll complain ;) [02:13:59] Special:ItemByTitle [02:14:05] yes I know, but keeping on doing that gives me edits without wanting them [02:14:46] that works better, thanks [02:20:40] sorry, i keep adding duplicates but i only notice after i want to add a link to a new item. i really tried to make sure to use "Find item" before and for example it did not seem to find an entry called "wiki" [02:22:20] yeah, i see others say similar. "Duplicate of Q6722 − strangely not picked up by Search." [02:23:42] would it be possible to have it do a check on item creation? [02:26:06] mutante: I have that many many times [02:26:18] use the special page Reedy gave, that works perfect [02:30:16] ah, yeah, thanks [02:30:32] and added 2 deletion requests [02:31:16] Romaine: eh, Special:ItemByTitle is what i use already though [02:31:39] i added javascript to get that as "Find Item" in sidebar as recommended by reedy ,yep [02:33:30] Reedy: do you know Oliver? [02:45:14] ironhold? [02:47:11] that's the one [02:47:40] I've met him a couple of times [02:47:58] did he work on this at all? [02:48:45] wikidata? lolno [02:49:17] why lol? [02:49:44] the thought amused me [02:49:54] Oh... [02:51:42] How much WMF support did it have during creation? Was it primarily WMF or WMDE? [02:52:38] primarily wmde [02:53:13] I think wmf may have donated some money to the project. I could be wrong though [02:56:03] They also donated you? [02:56:29] haha [02:56:36] not quite [02:57:18] a few of us have been involved in planning, code review, architecture and preparation for deployment [02:59:09] so.... yes :D [04:06:45] Reedy: still awake? [04:09:47] Take a look at http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7405# - scroll to the bottom, where zh-classical and zh-min-nan are. For me, both of those protrude out of their middle column and into the right column. Can that be fixed? [04:24:41] I tried to compare two items on the wikidata wiki which throws the following error http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:ComparePages?page1=Q7413&rev1=&page2=Q7412&rev2=&action=&diffonly=&unhide= [04:25:07] oops, not the following error but on the following page [07:38:26] * Lydia_WMDE waves [07:53:27] New patchset: Tpt; "(bug 40509) Make Special:CreateItem handle site and page params." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31308 [07:54:55] New review: Tpt; "Patch set 3: Update the save code in order to doesn't allow to add links to unknown wiki and show er..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31308 [08:01:52] seems like wikidata.org died [08:01:58] New patchset: Tpt; "(bug 40509) Make Special:CreateItem handle site and page params." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31308 [08:02:01] nothing in wikimedia-tech [08:11:15] jeblad_WMDE: !!! [08:11:24] don't give me a heart attack this early in the morning [08:11:58] Seems to be mediawiki namespace,.. something is buggy. [09:07:01] Hello! [09:07:43] I have a question. am I allowed to change something on the main page ? [09:09:35] New patchset: Henning Snater; "Re-enabling quick tabbing out of site id input box" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31272 [09:15:25] I know I can't edit the main page in English, it is protected but I'd like to know if I can work on creating a new look for the these welcome pages : http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Benoit_Rochon/Main_page [09:24:26] Benoit-Rochon: ohhhhh pretty! [09:24:31] bring it up on the talk page? [09:40:45] Ok thanks [09:49:11] Abraham_WMDE: i'm available oneline until the afternoon. i'd like to dial in for the sprint planning, let me know when you are about to start. [09:49:26] ok [09:49:42] hangout or skype, as you like [09:50:14] hm, hangout is better for screen sharing [09:53:51] I post a message about it : http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Main_Page_design [09:54:14] Thanks for your support!!! [09:59:34] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:Barnstar [09:59:34] nice! [09:59:50] * DanielK_WMDE is happy to see an infant wiki growing like mad [10:00:12] ...and I don't mean the bots, I mean especially all the meta stuff and discussions. [10:04:43] Nice barnstar Lydia_WMDE [10:13:35] DanielK_WMDE: poke [10:15:19] Abraham_WMDE: ok. wie und wo? [10:15:22] DanielK_WMDE: poke, accept the hangout [10:15:33] über dennys account bist du eingeladen [10:16:07] sent you again an inivte [10:17:05] Abraham_WMDE: öh. irgendwie bin ich da jetgzt alleine. [10:17:08] ich probier's nochmal [10:17:42] Denny_WMDE: hast du mich mit meinem wmde accoutn eingeladen? oder mit meinem privaten? [10:17:54] einfach den invite annehmen :) [10:18:15] ah, jetzt seh ich's [10:18:29] Abraham_WMDE: wenn ich den iunvite sehe, kann ich ihn annehmen ;) [10:19:30] poke DanielK_WMDE [10:19:32] can't hear you [10:20:11] DanielK_WMDE: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Development/Current_sprint [10:20:22] are you fine with that? anything missing? [10:21:39] DanielK_WMDE: check the current sprint [10:21:46] anything to add? [10:21:55] yes. fix search. [10:24:20] search doesn't return results for search terms if there is no label but exactly that term as an interwiki link. what should happen in that case? [10:25:58] hello [10:26:39] does any one know if wikidata RC is available on irc.wikimedia.org like #meta.wikimeda ? [10:29:56] ps_home: yes [10:30:09] #wikidata.wikipedia i think [10:30:12] or the other way around [10:31:45] Lydia_WMDE: thanks! could connect to the channel. :) [10:31:58] :) [10:40:57] Lydia_WMDE, i confirm : #wikidata.wikipedia on irc.wikimedia.org [10:41:14] dcrochet: thx [10:41:22] i should write it down somewhere... [10:41:45] i think better wikidata.wikimedia because wikidata is not a languge of wikipedia [10:44:05] dcrochet: possibly but we didn't set it up - if you know who is responsible feel free to bring it up with them [10:44:34] hum, i jump into bug.wikimedia.org [10:44:41] -bug +bugzilla [10:44:41] 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=+bugzilla [10:45:05] * dcrochet slap AsimovBot [10:46:09] poor bot [10:53:44] dcrochet: it's how the databases are setup [10:53:56] * dcrochet give a copper_cone_ice to AsimovBot [10:54:35] * aude guesses that wikimedia commons is at #commons.wikipedia based on db setup [10:55:17] no, it's wikimedia so maybe we can do that too [10:55:38] aude, hum, Wikimedia Commons is a wikimedia project (because it help all other project) wikidata is in the same performance ? [10:56:54] commons is #commons.wikimedia [10:57:29] i speak only for the IRC wikimedia servers. in the database, i don't know how it's make [10:57:47] agree [10:58:49] database wise, wikidata and commons are setup like wikipedia (vs. wiktionary for example) but looks like the irc channels can differ [11:04:33] * Sannita dreams of a future in which wiktionary will use the wikidata mask [11:05:43] ok, so mediawiki.org is #mediawiki.wikipedia [11:06:04] * aude will make a bug and someone can investigate, but i have no idea how it's configured [11:07:19] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41684 [11:08:06] aude: Its at $wgRC2UDPPrefix in InitialiseSettings.php. [11:09:51] ah, ok [11:09:59] * aude looks [11:11:19] do you want it to be #wikidata.wikimedia or just #wikidata? [11:11:23] dcrochet: ^ [11:11:53] i look other "meta" project to know how it was in the IRC servers [11:11:54] I prefer #wikidata, per conventions deemed by Krinkle. [11:12:25] ok [11:12:42] hmmm... [11:12:45] we have #wikisource [11:13:11] and #commons.wikimedia [11:13:32] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_r_chMwpDk [11:13:58] Lydia_WMDE: any preference? [11:14:14] aude: no prefs [11:14:15] ok [11:14:30] #wikisource because the incubator of wikisource project is www.wikisource.org (as the betawikiversity in #beta.wikiversity) [11:14:39] hmmm [11:14:46] so i think thaht #wikidata.wikimedia is a good idea [11:14:46] ok [11:15:02] Hydriz: is that okay? [11:15:19] but if tit's #wikidata is not a problem for me [11:15:19] it would break some bots [11:15:22] *if it's [11:15:35] hmmm [11:15:36] because that is what the SWMTBot is programmed to be [11:15:51] It follows the domain name to guess the channel [11:16:23] the idea for me is not have .wikipedia on a wikipedia which are not existe ( wikidata.wikipedia.org) [11:16:26] ah, okay [11:16:43] dcrochet: true [11:18:00] i'll leave the bug open for now but can poke at it later [11:18:16] ahem, guys... I made all the citation sytles from Special:Cite [11:18:18] Hydriz, if the resolution is to change the IRC name channel, maybe make the change the 1st december. that allow all bot owner to prepar the modification [11:18:18] see if anyone else has input about this [11:18:37] I mean, I made all the items, is there anyone who can tell me how can I link them? [11:18:48] dcrochet: This problem already existed for mediawiki.org, but it is never changed. [11:19:21] also, if you intend to use #wikidata.wikimedia, the argument is that wikidata.wikimedia.org doesn't exist. [11:20:31] that for i say #wikidata is also good [11:21:38] Hydriz, your idea work also for the wikisource incubator : #wikisource [11:21:50] :) [11:22:18] erm, on an unrelated note, it isn't called Wikisource Incubator, its Old Wikisource. :) [11:24:26] Denny_WMDE / Lydia_WMDE where shall we maintain the glossary, meta or wikidata? [11:24:59] Translatewiki points to meta [11:25:25] wikidata [11:25:36] but we should worry about other stuff atm [11:25:39] like fixing bugs ;-) [11:25:49] It is a bug [11:25:49] and finishing the weekly summary [11:35:02] New review: Daniel Werner; "Great!" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31272 [11:35:02] Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31272 [11:46:39] what is the IRC channel of the i18n team? [11:47:50] Denny_WMDE: talking about us? [11:48:25] I'm here, the other guys don't hang on irc all the time and are preparing to travel to indea [11:50:11] New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Make ApiBotEditTest robust agnst non-sequential IDs." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30963 [11:50:43] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "this is a shot in the dark, hope it fixes the issue." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30963 [11:51:04] Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30803 [11:51:18] Denny_WMDE: Jens_WMD1 does this count as article on enwiki? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:UnicornTapestry/WiP/Over_9000 [11:51:36] Nikerabbit: thanks. I wanted to ask if you know the info in the babel extension is accessible programmatically? [11:51:47] nothing urgent, as you see :) [11:51:54] JeroenDeDauw: the community will decide :) [11:52:20] Denny_WMDE, Abraham_WMDE1: I just realized that the most relevant change to OAI has not yet been merged. Change I8135402d: Make non-text data searchable via lsearch. [11:52:41] :-/ [11:52:43] we need that for lucene to be able to index items sensibly. [11:53:24] aude: could you review & verify this and the change it depends on? [11:53:41] if you have merge rights and can verify the functionality, just merge it. brion has already approved. [11:54:51] Denny_WMDE: not at the moment, but that would be nice to do [11:55:09] Denny_WMDE: I'd also want to integrate it with semantic mediawiki [11:55:55] Nikerabbit: is there a usual workaround? i think you can use babel to autocategorize the user page, and then probably you could use the category-mechanism for that? [11:56:00] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "implemented isCountable in entityContent" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31374 [11:56:10] Nikerabbit: yes, should be straigtforward to integrate it with smw [11:57:16] AnjaJ_WMDE: once merged, we probably want to backport https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/31374/ into 0.2.x. Not that important but nice to have, and trivial to merge [11:57:34] Denny_WMDE: it is probably worth to spend the effort to make the data more accessible in babel itself rather than go through categories [11:59:14] Denny_WMDE: http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php [11:59:25] Denny_WMDE: http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=CommonSettings.php [11:59:25] aude: thx [11:59:45] also if you click in gerrit "admin -> projects" [11:59:50] it's operations/mediawiki-config [11:59:58] Nikerabbit: it probably is. would you put in the user table or create a new one? is there a bug for this or should i start it? [12:00:02] and those files are inside the wmf-config folder of that repo [12:01:36] any settings for wikidata in initialise settings are with the wikidatawiki key [12:02:09] default settings for wikidata are in common settings in the $wmgUseWikibaseRepo [12:02:43] DanielK_WMDE: links? [12:03:31] aude: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/30724/ [12:03:31] ...and its dependency [12:04:45] New patchset: Henning Snater; "Introducing site selector jQuery widget" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31375 [12:08:40] probably has to be tomorrow [12:08:56] have to install the extension and try it [12:09:33] DanielK_WMDE: add me as revieier [12:09:35] reviewer [12:11:24] um [12:11:34] FuzzyBot just destroyed all the translations from imported pages. [12:11:40] :/ [12:11:48] Lydia_WMDE: is there any reason why we don´t have a wikidata favicon? [12:12:05] It´s still having the office thing in it [12:12:13] Wiki13: we do! [12:12:13] Aaaaand I can't undo its changes. [12:12:15] Reedy said he fixed it last night :( [12:12:29] ah ok [12:12:36] Wiki13: we might have to kick the squid caches again [12:12:45] Anyone knows who runs FuzzyBot? [12:13:17] FuzzyBot is the bot of extension, I guess [12:13:17] the [12:13:26] bah 1 [12:13:36] New patchset: Aude; "add $wgWBExternalRecentChanges setting to enable or disable the external RC stuff" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30948 [12:25:15] Denny_WMDE: not sure if there is bug yet [12:26:19] ok, i will check and try [12:28:26] Ajraddatz: why can't you undo the changes? [12:28:50] There should be a "restore" link in the history, and a "restore" tab when viewing old revisions. [12:29:02] Merci pour ton nouveau script Tpt [12:29:05] (you can't edit old revisions like on wikipedia) [12:32:43] Hm, I'll look. I'm not too farmiliar with the translate extension. [12:33:09] Restu20 : you should try to put the ' ' around itwiki on the script [12:33:23] fabriceferrer: thanks :-) [12:34:22] now it works [12:34:34] ok :) [12:35:19] DanielK_WMDE, I can't find it. It could be that in importing it, the extension only sees one revision. [12:35:22] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "please add a test case" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31374 [12:35:44] Ajraddatz: link? [12:35:55] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Glossary/hsb as an example [12:39:27] Ajraddatz: that's quite odd... [12:39:43] Ajraddatz: you should be able to use "undo" from the history, though. [12:39:48] i'll look why the "restore" links arn't there. [12:40:16] I've tried that, it just gives me permissions errors. It says that I can't undo something that it being used on the translate extension. [12:40:39] Later today there will be someone on who knows it better than I do, he might be able to help. [12:42:23] Ajraddatz: ugh! fallout from the transate extension?! that's *bad* [12:43:06] tis bad [12:43:39] Ajraddatz: i just realized that we are talking about a wikitext page, not a data item. in that case, you should be able to edit & save an old revision to restore it, no? [12:43:55] maybe the translate extension also prevents this. [12:44:06] it does, from what I've tried [12:44:31] so moral of the story is that import + translate = bork wikis [12:44:38] ok. so this is an issue with the Translate extension [12:44:41] wonder if there is a bug open on this yet... [12:44:54] maybe Nikerabbit can tell you how to get around this problem [12:45:11] it looks like intended behaviour, for some reason [12:45:27] Ajraddatz: yea, file a bug for the translatewiki extension [12:51:13] DanielK_WMDE: was? [12:51:44] can smone explain what the issue is [12:52:15] Nikerabbit: a bot messed up a page, and Ajraddatz can't revert it, because Translate doesn't like it [12:52:36] Nikerabbit: apparently, FuzzyBot's edits on http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Glossary/hsb are bad [12:52:47] how can we undo/revert? [12:52:47] that's not a bug [12:52:57] Nikerabbit: well, how do we solve the problem then? [12:53:04] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:Translate/Page_translation_administration#Migrating_to_page_translation [12:53:25] Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31143 [12:53:58] Nikerabbit: so, the edit happened before the migration? so the bad version got migrated, and now we are stuck? [12:54:25] DanielK_WMDE: it was not properly migrated [12:54:58] any idea who is / should be doing that? [12:54:59] all the existing translations need to be split and fed to the system [12:55:14] you don't need special rights for that, just some time [12:55:56] yea, but was that communicated to the community? did someone commit to that job? [12:56:04] Lydia_WMDE: --^ [12:56:20] dunno [12:57:45] Nikerabbit: do you have a user page on wikidata.org? [12:58:07] DanielK_WMDE: btw, was this page using page translation on meta? [12:58:20] DanielK_WMDE: if so, you just need to import the section pages too [12:58:31] and rename them too [12:58:52] Nikerabbit: can you write that on http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ajraddatz#Migration_to_the_Translate_system ? [12:59:10] I guess it was using translate on meta. but i havn't looked [12:59:54] it was [13:11:53] Hum, the good "way" of wikidata_RC in the RC irc systme is that the name of the page is just an id. so the RC in the IRC channel seem to be a table wich are very easy to read [13:50:45] hello all. Is a dev here? [14:20:17] DaBPunkt: hi! [14:20:34] i can spare a few more minutes, but have to dive into an ikea puzzle soon. [14:21:59] dcrochet: what are you building? we will soon be exposing the changes feed for use by client wikis anyway. [14:22:33] probably as a database table, an api module, and an atom feed (in that order) [14:22:33] you can also use the general OAI feed i guess [14:22:38] DanielK_WMDE: just a small bug-report: There are UPDATE-queries called "ORMRow::saveExisting" in the binlog of wikidata that set site_forward (which is a tinyint) to ''. If there a own bugzilla for wikidata or should I use the mediawiki-one? [14:23:45] DaBPunkt: this is unrelated to wikibase/wikidata, it's from the Site facility that is now in core. [14:24:10] ah ok. thanks [14:24:40] DaBPunkt: it's jeroen's baby though, so you are not completely off :) please file it on bugzilla. [14:25:00] ok [14:45:06] DanielK_WMDE, you speak about my message : " Hum, the good "way" of wikidata_RC in the RC irc systme is that...." ? [14:47:34] Slackers. [14:47:39] I thought we'd be over 9000 byy now [15:07:32] MF-W! You were right! [15:08:02] I didn't import the translate: pages with the other pages, so the bot has reverted all of them to what they were. [15:08:30] Long story short, translate extension doesn't like importing [15:09:37] that seems correct :D [15:09:39] ah, typisch [15:09:41] I [15:09:43] 've put a link on your talk page ;) [15:09:46] maybe we should try to import one 1 translation: page to see if FuzzyBot starts running [15:17:10] yeah [15:19:59] "Page "Translations:Wikidata/Glossary/1/be-tarask" is not imported because you are not allowed to edit it." [15:20:13] :/ [15:21:03] I'll open a bugzilla thingy for it, but not sure what could actually be done in the short term. [15:22:22] maybe pages could be imported to another ns, then moved [15:22:44] trying to move a random page to Translations: gives "This namespace is reserved for content page translations. The page you are trying to edit does not seem to correspond any page marked for translation." so it might work [15:24:34] tried that [15:25:07] (didn't work) [15:25:27] mkay [15:31:16] It seems we don´t have a iw for wikidata. Is that done on purpose? [15:31:37] Probably more a case of no one has added/thought of one [15:32:16] wikidata: seems reasonable [15:32:32] for like linking from other wikis [15:32:48] where do I need to request this? [15:32:54] to get it added [15:33:04] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Interwiki_map#Wikidata [15:33:36] oh [15:34:08] I didn´t know that page :S [15:34:10] knew [15:46:07] plop [15:46:37] * Reedy pets Nikerabbit [15:47:34] hi Reedy [15:48:00] !nyan [15:48:00] ~=[,,_,,]:3 [15:48:14] sorry, I wanted to try it :P [15:48:14] ah, Ajraddatz left already [15:49:28] MF-W: do you know if the import lets you decide the target page names? [15:50:09] you can choose the namespace and a prefix for the page title [15:50:44] MF-W: the fact that the page was also renamed on wikidata.org makes it more difficult I guess [15:51:23] oh yeah [15:52:22] maybe start again, import the base pages, mark it for translation, import the pages from translations: and then rename it [15:53:33] if someone can try that, please let me know whether it works [15:54:25] hi Ajraddatz [15:58:05] could you try this "maybe start again, import the base pages, mark it for translation, import the pages from translations: and then rename it" [15:59:31] I can't import the translation: pages. [15:59:51] And I can't import them to a different namespace and rename :/ [16:00:24] There is a request for an import/export feature with the translate extension, so I guess we're waiting on that. [16:00:43] Ajraddatz: that's different, that does not preserve attribution and works only per language [16:01:14] Ajraddatz: I think you can't import to translations: because you renamed the page on wikidata.org before doing that [16:01:25] I have imported https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Wikidata/Glossary/1/be-tarask and am trying to move it to Translations:Wikidata:Glossary/1/be-tarask (however there's always a "the server is experiencing downtime" error) [16:01:26] the section names must match to the page they belong to [16:01:35] that's bad [16:01:57] I might be able to do it with importupload, because importupload doesn't care about anything. [16:02:07] it does also [16:02:14] But I can't transwiki it straight from meta to my name of choice. [16:02:21] 12 PHP Catchable fatal error: Argument 2 passed to Wikibase\RepoHooks::onPageContentLanguage() must be an instance of Language, string given in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.21wmf3/extensions/ [16:02:30] Wikibase/repo/Wikibase.hooks.php on line 153 [16:02:30] I wonder if this is related [16:02:30] Yeah [16:02:31] I logged that last night [16:02:37] I guess it is not then [16:03:18] MF-W: any details on that error page? [16:03:26] PHP fatal error in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.21wmf3/extensions/Wikibase/repo/Wikibase.hooks.php line 153: [16:03:27] Argument 2 passed to Wikibase\RepoHooks::onPageContentLanguage() must be an instance of Language, string given [16:03:34] ah so it is related [16:05:22] Ajraddatz: I see that it is impossible to export Translations: pages via special:export, so the importupload can't work either [16:05:32] MF-W: why is it impossible? [16:05:37] Yikes. [16:05:45] the xml file generated is empty [16:05:48] what [16:05:49] Did someone design it to be difficult? lol [16:06:53] let me see if I can fix that [16:09:46] MF-W: works for me, are you sure you had the input right? one page per line [16:10:22] yes.. hm, I'll retry [16:10:36] If the export file works, you can manually change the article titles in the xml and then upload it [16:10:54] and from past experience, importupload usually doesn't care about anything that would otherwise prevent imports [16:11:11] ok, works now - strange [16:11:17] I'll try to importupload [16:11:28] if nothing else, I could add exemptions to people with import right [16:12:18] argh .. PHP fatal error in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.21wmf3/extensions/Wikibase/repo/Wikibase.hooks.php line 153: [16:12:39] ._. [16:13:06] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41667 [16:48:26] Tpt: your script got really better in almost 24 hours! [16:48:53] Vito_away: Thanks ! [16:49:10] seriously you solved almost all problems [16:50:56] just a suggestion Tpt [16:51:00] Yes ? [16:51:10] (lemme block a vandal) [16:52:20] done [16:52:34] so, maybe you can add a checkbox [16:52:44] which automatically opens the diff of the last edit [16:52:51] when finished import [16:53:44] Good idea. But I've to find a way to get the url of the last diff. [16:54:30] api can give you the last rev number [16:54:47] I think you just need to append a &prev= [16:55:04] something can even taken from rollback [16:55:38] but still it's your business, not mine :p [16:56:35] I'll try to find a way and then I'll add this feature. [17:00:51] ty, lemme be back to my beloved vandals [17:04:28] Nikerabbit: any estimation when this bug can be fixed? Now I'm getting it even for just trying to read a MediaWiki: page [17:06:17] MF-W: I added robin and danielk to CC [17:07:58] hm, then it's about time for Robin to come online ;) [17:18:10] So, what's going to be [[Q10000]]? We're getting close-ish (8673 just now). [17:18:10] 10[1] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q10000 [17:23:11] Tpt: If you could fix slurpInterwiki to not need a refresh after adding the first IW link.... [17:23:45] Tpt: Also, you might aswell remove the refresh popup as it's done automatically now :) [17:24:02] Reedy: Ok, I'll work on that. [17:24:06] Awesome :D [17:24:46] For the refresh popup I think that it is ever useful to say that the script have made some change. [17:25:02] Could you do it in a non blocking way? [17:26:42] I can maybe set a parameter to the refresh url and show a notification using Mediawiki build-in sytem. [17:27:05] Tpt: Use mw.notify ;) [17:27:53] hoo: Yes, of course; [17:33:19] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyright/de?action=edit still? :/ [17:34:41] yep [17:34:48] bug 41667 if you havent seen that yet [17:40:24] James_F: I snagged Q5000 and Q7500, so considering how good I apparently am at this, I'm going out on a limb and saying Q10000 is going to be a Chinese emperor [17:40:36] The best part is I don't really aim for them [17:40:40] 8733 [17:40:52] Sven_Manguard: Ha. :-) [17:41:40] | Data Base Name | Data Base Size in GB | [17:41:40] +----------------+----------------------+ [17:41:40] | wikidatawiki | 0.600440308452 | [17:42:16] Ouch. [17:42:36] It was over 1GB on monday/tuesday ;) [17:42:47] It went down? [17:43:04] Yeah, we dumped a 1.1GB table that wasn't needed [17:43:04] Then stopped things writing to it [17:43:10] Ah, that would help. :-) [17:43:22] BTW, I would find it /hugely/ useful for a page to list all the entries that lack a label (or a description) in an arbitrary language. [17:43:23] Is that planned? [17:43:31] Yes [17:43:38] I'm sure Lydia_WMDE has linked me to a bug for that [17:43:45] Might have actually logged it too... [17:46:24] Cool. [17:46:56] theres too many bugs [17:47:02] 299 new ones in the last 7 days [17:49:06] Reedy: Done. I hope that will works fine. [17:52:15] Tpt: Perfect! :D [17:52:26] That's a lot smoother [18:08:51] plop [18:12:08] I keep getting page served as logged out on Wikidata... [18:12:21] after several tries it works then [18:12:21] anyone else? [18:13:26] works for me , i stay logged in so far [18:16:26] I get this in one version of chrome... [18:16:32] not in canary [18:39:55] Hello, is there a reason why the Interwiki link ":wikinews:" is not working on Wikidata? [18:53:36] Where are you trying to use it? [18:55:30] q8904 [19:05:58] Lydia_WMDE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Interwiki [19:10:14] Reedy : I try to use it in the section "Sister projects" on the main page of my language. All other interwikis (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Interwiki_map) are working, but not ":wikinews:"... [19:17:06] There's been a request (I forget by who) that Q9001 be "Over 9000" [19:17:28] we're really close to 9000 [19:17:59] Sven_Manguard: JeroenDeDauw ;-) [19:18:17] What would happen if I go to http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q10000 and do edit=sysop will that break by the time we reach this number? [19:18:31] * hoo is curios today [19:18:41] hoo: don't [19:18:47] it'll mean the count starts at 10001 [19:18:57] so we lose 1000 numbers [19:19:21] Sven_Manguard: mhm? [19:19:30] So it'll just skip that? [19:19:47] No, I'll skip everything until after that [19:19:47] apparently [19:20:07] this is just guesswork from where there are blanks from the 127.0.0.1 ones [19:20:39] Lydia_WMDE: Is there a bug for disabling create=sysop for NS 0 it doesn't make any sense to have it, does it? [19:20:52] (Despite that it might break stuff badly) [19:21:08] hoo: i don't think there's a bug for it, no [19:23:21] James_F: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Requests_for_deletions#Repurposing.3F [19:24:59] missing labels :S we are flooded by them :S [19:25:32] Sven_Manguard: was it you who did the barnstar? [19:25:42] q8962 [19:25:48] Lydia_WMDE: I commissioned it [19:25:48] nice! [19:25:49] hoo: AFAIK you should not be able to create q10000 or any other q with specific number even as sysop [19:25:51] i really like it [19:26:04] Thanks. My idea, other people's SVG skillz [19:26:13] JeroenDeDauw: But it will reach that number sooner or later [19:26:21] This item does not exist. You can search the related logs to find out where it went, or create a new item. [19:26:26] and if it's create=sysop then, we'll have a problem, no? [19:26:29] There are two versions, an SVG by zscout and a hires by Isarra [19:28:26] Sven_Manguard: Thanks; replied. [19:28:57] James_F: I don't see a reply [19:29:28] Sven_Manguard: Argh, sorry, edit-conflicted and tabbed away. [19:29:44] good thing I caught it :DS [19:29:49] :D * [19:29:58] * James_F grins. [19:31:36] hoo: Reedy: like I said, even if you're sysop, and you have permission to create "q123355788", you won't actually create it, but create one with the next number in the (regular) sequence [19:31:45] yeah [19:31:58] JeroenDeDauw: So it will just skip #10000 if I'd protect it? [19:32:25] hoo: oh [19:32:32] guess I'm to tired to properly understand your questions :D [19:32:33] tpt: could you if you got time take a look at http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Tpt/slurpInterwiki.js#Dutch_translation_fix ? [19:32:42] thanks [19:32:58] Wiki13: Of course. [19:33:07] hoo: that is a good question though [19:33:07] JeroenDeDauw: :P They're tricky... I'm just thinking we might should disable the create protection for the wikibase NS [19:33:33] hoo: I suspect that people will still create the article when the number increments to it, but then won't be able to edit further [19:33:48] hoo: yeah [19:34:26] hoo: protecting an item with number not yet reached won't work properly [19:35:37] Yes, but it's technically possible https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q10000&action=protect [19:36:01] (didn't try it, but I guss it's) [19:36:17] hoo: that will say it worked, but like I mentioned, it will not prevent creation [19:36:33] At least I think it won't [19:36:41] not 100% sure [19:37:16] Testing it should be pretty trivial, if you got an testing env. I don't want to mess wikidata.org for obvious reasons :P [19:37:29] I don't yet have an own wikibase install [19:37:55] *DAMMIT REEDY* [19:37:57] I was going to use Q9001 for Dragon Ball [19:38:04] Over 9000 [19:38:12] Memes [19:38:12] I was hoping to get 9000 [19:38:12] :p [19:38:17] repurpose it [19:38:21] I don't mind [19:38:21] * James_F laughs. [19:38:31] * James_F tsks Reedy. [19:38:45] nah, I don't actually care :D [19:39:34] 9000 [19:41:13] onwards to 10k! [19:41:29] Isle of Man Airport ? [19:41:29] :| [19:41:35] xD [19:41:46] I didn't know it'd get 9001 [19:41:50] What [19:42:21] Reedy: shame on you, you're a disappointment to the whole interwebs now! :<0 [19:42:38] It should probably have been ISO 9001 ;) [19:43:11] JeroenDeDauw: There is, of course, ways to fix this [19:43:17] time travel! [19:43:28] do we have an item on that yet btw? :p [19:43:36] SQL ftw [19:44:58] Reedy: I think just changing it via the UI or API is easier and less prone to enrage people [19:45:11] They wouldn't know any difference [19:46:05] Reedy: updating all of the stuffs correctly in such a way that people don't see what you did is not easy [19:46:28] and you need to poke at stuff in blobs [19:46:38] so not going through the app layer is making it hard for yourself [19:54:34] there should be a special page with links to queries which don't have label/description in [19:55:40] kondicherry: I guess you mean entities, not queries [19:56:37] kondicherry: It's not great, but https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NewPages&offset=&limit=1000&uselang=foo helps. [19:57:19] JeroenDeDuaw yes [19:57:38] kondicherry: how would you name such a special page? [19:59:17] Pages without label/description in ? [20:00:22] yeah [20:10:20] kondicherry: [20:10:44] JeroenDeDuaw ? [20:18:59] New patchset: Tpt; "(bug 41597) Provide a special page, Special:ListEntitiesWithoutLabel to list entities without label for a given language." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31508 [20:25:05] Anyone here know Bene* by reputation? [20:34:11] q172 [20:34:11] q9172 [20:39:54] It kinda sucks creating duplicate items. I wish the search gets better soon. [20:46:42] kondicherry: alternatively, you could work on something obscure [20:46:49] I'm still getting pages served as logged out often... just relogged in on wikidata.org :/ [20:47:04] I'm doing Chinese emperors [20:47:09] no one else is doing Chinese emperors right now [20:47:28] the only one that was already done was Ghengis Khan [20:49:29] I did countries couple of days ago. Now I'm doing Capitals and Metro cities. [20:49:51] Am I the only one? Still? [20:50:18] hoo: the only one doing what? Getting constantly logged out? AFAIK, yes/ [20:50:44] mhm, have you guys logged in from wikidata.org or another site? [20:51:12] Going to re login from wikipedia -.- [20:51:30] hoo: I have 180 day login on [20:51:48] stupid question to devs: will you add popup? :-) [20:51:48] I logged in once at Wikidata since SUL didn't trigger until I did [20:52:12] Restu20: Popup? Do you mean popup.js? [20:53:08] hoo: like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation_popups [20:53:47] Restu20: The code of that thing is quite uggly and outdated, I hope we don't have to mess with this [20:54:04] It's a gadget, so importing is would be trivial, if wanted [20:54:28] hoo: ok, thanks [20:57:17] It works since I logged in though dewp... this should be checked... [21:00:06] hoo: is anyone else reporting the error? [21:00:09] It might be you? [21:02:28] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Requests_for_permissions anyone else agree that the RfP should be closed, at least until consensus is reached for what we want to do about local admins at this stage of the project? [21:03:17] (And the fact that the process is very broken right now - nobody is judging candidates by what they are actually willing to contribute on wikidata, and everyone just votes for who they know. When no candidates have local contributions nothing else can really be done.) [21:08:02] Sven_Manguard: A couple of days ago I heard that login from wikidata.org was sluggish for someone [21:08:07] I hopped to find this person in here [21:08:39] Can someone maybe try this? Log in from wikidata.org and view some pages? [21:11:45] Sven_Manguard Bandar Seri Begawan seems obscure enough :) [21:18:40] blah [21:18:49] can someone fix the stuff with the mediawiki pages? :p [21:19:17] works for me in Midori (webkit based) as well... probably I should clear away my cookies etc. [21:19:20] Ajraddatz: I disagree with stopping the process [21:19:22] using another account [21:19:33] Yeah, I read your response. [21:19:42] Do you want to start the discussion on the roles of admins? [21:19:52] It doesn't make much sense (to me) to judge candidates based on what they do on other places. [21:20:21] Ajraddatz: I think it's important that we have our first dozen admins so that we don't have to rely on the stewards [21:20:43] But what would your criteria for selecting these people be? [21:20:51] Number of supports? Support percentage? [21:21:07] Ajraddatz: the Stewards know what they're doing [21:21:23] Stewards act within community guidelines. [21:21:23] I suppose they're going to abide by exactly the description up top [21:22:26] Stewards have guidelines for new projects with small communities, though I suppose those could also be used here. [21:23:13] Just seems a bit silly to have a request page running when a) not everyone agrees on when we should have admins and b) what any sort of selection criteria are. [21:23:29] And, of course, at a stage far too early to judge candidates based on what they do on wikidata. [21:23:49] Bleh, sorry, I didn't want to get into this big of a debate. Honestly, the page can be left open. [21:24:45] Wow. Wikidata really as made it. We now have CentralNotice. :-) [21:31:01] :o [21:32:08] Speaking of Admins, is there an admin here who can update the English main page please? See http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Main_Page_design [21:32:22] The EN page is protected [21:33:18] k [21:36:38] done [21:37:10] Thanks Ajraddatz [21:38:12] you're welcome [21:38:28] Ajraddatz: you're an admin? [21:38:33] no [21:38:59] only the staff have local admin access right now [21:39:35] Oh good, I was confused [21:43:17] Ajraddatz: Hey [21:43:28] Hey Ignazio :) [21:43:33] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Sven_Manguard/Sets [21:43:41] I think this will be useful later [21:44:20] I sure hope so, looks like a decent amount of work went into that :p [21:45:47] Ajraddatz: All I'm doing is keeping track of my imports [21:46:03] it's not nearly as work intensive as importing itself [21:46:35] you know what's sad? Pikachu, which I just imported, has more interwiki links than almost all, if not all, of those emperors [21:46:42] heh [21:46:43] as well as some of the dynsaties [21:47:06] I'm trying to stay away from stuff like that, which could be done by bots in the near future. [21:47:06] * Ajraddatz hates doing a bot's job [21:50:16] Ajraddatz: I think of it partially as stress testing [21:50:32] If something goes wrong, I want to see it [21:50:38] because sure as hell the bot won't know who to contact [21:50:52] fair enough [21:51:06] Also, it's fun to say "I imported Pikachu" or "Q5000 is mine" [21:52:40] Ajraddatz: you *are* an admin. I see you deleting pages. [21:52:59] oh, that's global, not local [21:53:23] * Sven_Manguard sighs [21:53:23] :3 [21:53:29] I own lots of capitals that way.. [21:53:39] brb food [21:53:39] Don't you think I know that there are no local admins Ajraddatz [21:53:45] yeah [21:53:49] well, not at the time [21:54:11] * Ajraddatz gets easily confused [21:54:47] but I shall return in 30 minutes or so [21:54:51] the belly must be filled [21:58:36] Got liver and spleen [21:59:43] got liver [22:01:07] got Urinary bladder [22:03:10] fun fact, only 82 languages have an article on "Testicle" [22:04:03] 43 have "Ureter" [22:05:03] hallo [22:05:12] spricht jemad deutsch? [22:05:18] go "cat breed task force" ! [22:05:27] ja, Steinsplitter [22:05:33] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q9379 hab ich das so richtig gemacht? [22:06:08] ich kann "ルイス・ドゥルンヴァルダー" nicht uebersetzen, aber sonst... [22:06:19] lass mich mal einen WP link einfuegen [22:06:44] edit conflict:) [22:07:00] Fixed? [22:07:06] sieht gut aus [22:07:20] oh, danke :-) [22:07:25] ich weiss allerdings selber auch nicht genau ob wir wirklich jede Uebersetzung auch oben in die Aliase stellen wollen [22:08:26] Steinsplitter: besorg dir die JavaScript Zeilen damit du den "Import interwiki" Link hast [22:08:51] mw.loader.load('//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=User:Tpt/slurpInterwiki.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript'); [22:09:04] in common.js [22:09:08] thx :-) [22:13:11] Sweet, I snagged Ninja (Q9402) [22:15:45] gn8 [22:19:52] mutante: If we're going to put it in Common.js, can we at least use the standard function for this? ;-) [22:20:58] eh, i meant in User:Foo/common.js [22:21:04] what is the standard function? [22:21:34] importScript('User:Tpt/slurpInterwiki.js'); [22:22:20] isn't it gadget? [22:22:36] aha [22:22:39] Oh, well, yes, we could also implement it as a gadget. [22:34:56] common js would require mediawiki pages to work again [22:34:56] ;-; [22:37:11] Hmm. [22:37:27] What do we do when terms clash in one language but not the other? [22:37:57] E.g. [[Q165]] and [[Q9430]] both want to link to the same item in nowiki. [22:37:57] 10[2] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16513 => [22:37:58] 10[3] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q9430 [22:41:19] There is absolutely no difference between the terms? Yikes. I suppose for now they could both link to the same nowiki page, but we'll need a more long-term solution. [22:41:47] they cannot link to the same page, the software wont let them [22:42:20] Perhaps take the most commonly used one and link it then? [22:43:02] Ajraddatz: I guess "sea" is the higher one than "ocean". [22:43:14] But yes, clearly these terms are different in every other language (only one clash). [22:43:44] If it weren't causing an issue, I would be really fascinated by the development of that... [22:44:07] * Ajraddatz loves languages, even though he isn't good at learning them. :( [22:52:46] Ajraddatz: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Administrators [22:53:00] hehe, already saw that too ;D [22:53:03] * Sven_Manguard shakes fist [22:53:23] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "To test what?" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31374 [22:54:21] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "I don't feel like spending my time on writing a test for this line" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31374 [22:54:33] O_o [22:56:01] should all of the main pages be protected? [22:56:18] I generally hate protecting main pages, especially this early in the project' life [22:57:04] you can start doing that when the first of those gets vandalized [22:57:17] good plan [22:57:22] someone had protected the english one [22:57:40] but I might unprotect it for now, especially with people trying to impliment changes to them [22:59:04] any objections to that? [23:00:20] actually, it's only autoconfirm protected [23:00:38] that still stops people without global flags for another day, but meh [23:00:56] * Ajraddatz stops flooding the channel with stuff [23:01:36] wb Ignazio :) [23:02:05] :) [23:15:41] Any chance we'll ever be able to wikilink in the description field? [23:16:45] * Sannita gives a cookie to Sven_Manguard for his proposals on admin policies [23:17:09] * Sven_Manguard eats the cookie [23:17:09] thanks [23:17:14] Sven_Manguard: see https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41560#c0 [23:17:17] * Sven_Manguard hits the treadmill to neutralize the cookie [23:17:54] rotfl [23:18:10] hola [23:21:40] Hey Guerillero|Beer [23:21:45] Let me guess, do you have beer? [23:23:19] ...anyways... [23:23:24] how's life? [23:24:17] its going well [23:24:29] good to hear [23:24:39] i'm excited at wikidata [23:24:42] Me too [23:24:45] it seems to be going well [23:24:56] no major bugs, a good crop of users [23:25:13] policy is coming in smoothly, translations are being done, pages getting set up [23:25:23] it's running much better than anyone could have hoped [23:25:32] I like it better than wikipedia [23:25:43] because IAR means something [23:26:55] and there is important things to do [23:27:33] truth is, this is the most revolutionary project since Wikipedia itself [23:28:31] yes [23:30:24] Sven_Manguard: I hoped for a better setup than the current one [23:35:58] hmm? Sorry, was on the phone. [23:36:08] What's wrong Romaine? [23:38:37] that automatical generated data (interwiki's) is added by hand, that helps creating errors [23:40:09] not sure how automatic it all is [23:40:29] but bots will come into play soon [23:41:36] but afterwards, users can clean the errors [23:41:52] so what's the issue [23:45:26] ultimately at some time someone has to decide that two articles in two different languages are describing the same thing, and that's a human [23:51:21] redirects to sections are annoying [23:51:36] but so useful sometimes [23:52:05] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q8791 [23:52:13] ^ en etc have a distinct page [23:52:24] some languages dont, so you can't just pull all iw links in.. [23:54:27] Reedy: that's going to cause havoc when we start dealing with hurricanes [23:54:55] English has a lot more articles, other languages lump to seasons [23:58:09] Sven_Manguard: ehm... actually it already gave me some problems [23:58:20] I uploaded all the UTC time zones [23:58:36] and Spanish Wikipedia has lots of interlinks to section [23:58:39] *sections [23:58:48] I had to remove them [23:59:07] I'm lucky that the area I'm working in doesn't have that issue