[00:24:33] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Again, great job, you got some nice code here :)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31508 [00:25:44] Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31656 [08:50:16] hi [08:50:18] jemand da? [11:43:12] when trying to load any mediawiki page i'm triggering bsod. any idea why? [11:43:24] i mean page in mediawiki ns [11:49:03] It's causing a BSOD on your machine? :/ [11:49:16] If not, it's a known bug [11:49:16] I reported it 60 hours ago ;) [11:49:51] Reedy: well, you should have fixed it 59:59 ago then :-P [11:50:17] I backported one "fix" [11:50:20] Made no difference [11:50:29] jeblad_WMDE has made another.. [11:51:12] uh? [11:51:49] oh, I think there is something that also kills the serer [11:51:56] don'y know why [11:52:00] PHP fatal error in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.21wmf3/extensions/Wikibase/repo/Wikibase.hooks.php line 153: [11:52:03] Argument 2 passed to Wikibase\RepoHooks::onPageContentLanguage() must be an instance of Language, string given [11:52:06] jeblad_WMDE: ^^ [11:53:17] My fix was for an arg to onPageContentLanguage that can be of two types. My fix is according to doc, but the hook is now moved so doc isn't correct [11:54:26] There is also something else going on that kills the server, but it could be the same namespace-thingy [11:55:28] * Lydia_WMDE waves [11:55:34] On my localhost it seems like both fixes solves the namespace problem [11:55:49] * jeblad_WMDE waves back [11:58:00] Lydia_WMDE: guten tag [11:58:03] 'lo Danny_B|backup [11:58:44] Lydia_WMDE: got my message about wd×smw? [11:59:14] Danny_B|backup: yes - need to think about it more - complicated topic [11:59:28] oki [11:59:28] danke schon [11:59:32] ;-) [11:59:46] just a feedback from the real life [12:01:26] Users at WD should be better at checking old bugs... [12:01:56] Perhaps its the new sport; see how many duplicates we can make! ;) [12:03:40] jeblad_WMDE: in fact, i wouldn't even think that bug which causes bsod would be that old to even be submitted to bugzilla. i would assume it to be fixed immediately [12:04:09] thus i didn't check bz and just simply reported it [12:05:15] Hehe, just me that is grumpy.. [12:05:39] We have a lot of duplicates now on all kinds of bugs' [12:06:12] Seems like people really want wikitext in descriptions.. [12:07:08] people also really want ponies [12:07:10] oh god, why? (cit.) [12:07:11] and rainbows [12:07:48] Reedy: Is it DanielK_WMDEs fix you backported? [12:08:29] I still can't open Mediawiki:Sidebar on wikidata.org, but it worked on my localhost [12:10:29] I think WMF should fix their server error messages. When Wikidata gets a BSOD the message says we should go to #Wikipedia and complain there. [12:16:12] yes, it's better to indicate to go here than wikipedia [12:16:49] with the french interface, the wikidata error page indicate to go to #wikipedia-fr [12:17:46] by this way, for the moment, all erreor go to #wikipedia-¤¤ with ¤¤ the 2 letter language [12:19:56] lang could have 3 letters [12:23:23] hum, ye [12:23:28] s [12:25:38] The pesky IME thingy, we could use it for something useful in all languages.. sub- and superscripts.. [12:26:08] _1 could be subscript 1 like in the math extension [12:26:54] ^2 could be superscript 2 [12:28:00] Can't do a italic string, but solves some problems with formatting labels [15:59:39] anyone gets this RfD https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions#Q12139 ? [15:59:42] I'm a bit confused [16:01:51] could be empty page? [16:01:54] the author is requesting it [16:02:06] but since there isn't anything associated with it, it could be recycled [16:20:58] hoo|away: I read a German label [16:21:23] Hohlkugel [16:22:30] I can "recycle" it, as I did for the one slightly up there, but I promised not to do it anymore :) [16:26:34] Ajraddatz: (about Q12139) I read a German label: "Hohlkugel" [16:27:16] but there's no WP article [16:27:45] let me check again - I don't recall seeing anything when I looked in the history [16:28:44] hmm, I don't see anything in the history [16:29:43] heh, you're right - Hohlkugel appears on the german version [16:29:49] but there is no history of it being added... [16:31:39] (corr | prec) 16:14, 4 nov 2012‎ Conny (Discussione | contributi)‎ . . (138 byte) (+138)‎ . . (Created page with "") <-- I see this [16:33:26] Me too. I deleted it, since it obviously wasn't doing what he wanted it to do, but I'm still not entirely sure what or why... [16:33:58] it's all history now : [16:34:01] :) [16:39:29] Why is there en-gb but not en-us? [16:46:02] en is en-us [16:46:11] there's no en-ca D: [16:46:53] Ajraddatz: there is en-ca... [16:47:07] seriously :D? [16:47:11] must have been looking in the wrong place [16:47:13] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1?uselang=en-ca [16:47:17] :P [16:47:22] but there's no en-us... [16:47:29] as I said, that's just en [16:47:54] brb [16:47:59] Ajraddatz: shouldn't English, by default, mean *English* English? [16:48:07] Yeah. [16:48:16] But America is America. [16:50:37] sadly true [16:53:19] So... should the label for Aluminium (British name) be left alone? I was going to set the en-us version to "Aluminum" and the en-gb one to "Aluminium" (and leave the "en" one Aluminium), but I discovered there was no en-us :S [16:53:55] PiRSquared: Indeed, it's one of the difficulties that MW is "internationalised" but not enough to claim that en-us === en. [16:56:16] hi [16:57:55] example "shark" [[Q:7372]]. I think we are going to need separate Q's for: "an individual shark / member of Selachimorpha" and "the order of sharks / Selachimorpha" etc [16:57:55] 10[6] 10https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/7372 [16:58:03] and that for all species we created [16:58:25] the thing is that the interwikis are totally mixed when it comes to this [16:58:30] mutante: Yeah. [16:58:39] some wikipedias redirect, some use vernacular names, some use taxonomic names [16:58:48] mutante: I had the same problem with Washington, D.C. and the District of Columbia. [16:58:54] look at the way wiktionary does it [16:59:09] i would really like to import from there [16:59:09] mutante: We're going to have issues generally with the mapping of concepts given our new requirement for 1:1 mapping. [17:00:07] yea, we need to get used to fixing all the interwikis after importing and not follow wikipedias in all cases [17:00:44] the same when it comes to capitalization of labels ,btw [17:00:59] both cases i recommend looking more at wiktionary than wp [17:01:30] and i want to link to wikispecies :) [17:01:59] and can haz a special language "mul" / Translingual for taxonomic names? [17:01:59] No no no. [17:02:06] heh [17:02:21] We want to /close/ wikispecies, having replaced it with WD. [17:02:28] wut? [17:02:49] Didn't you hear? The Wikimedia movement has a one-out, one-in policy. ;-) WD for WSp. WV for... WQ? [17:02:49] no no, we want wikispecies to use the wikidata API to display the data in their way [17:03:07] Danny_B|backup: A joke. :-) [17:03:08] O_o [17:03:23] ... [17:03:30] kick wikiversity out... useless project... [17:04:22] jokes apart, how the hu.wp tests are going? [17:04:36] We're kicking out Wikispecies? [17:05:04] nooo:) wikispecies ftw [17:05:24] lets get the data from there first , then we can talk ;) [17:05:49] +1 [17:08:02] importing translations from wiktionary via script would give us very accurate data. more accurate than the wp interwikis [17:08:10] for translation and automatic labels [17:09:33] mutante: Let's not do that just yet. [17:09:41] mutante: this is not true in all languages [17:11:30] mutante: Also, if we are building Ω Wiktionary off Wikidata, we should do that first before slurping in all the data. ;-) [17:13:51] hi Jasper_Deng [17:14:06] Bon matin PiRSqaured [17:14:14] PiRSquared* [17:14:58] bon matin is not proper french! [17:14:58] hehehe [17:15:01] hehe, woman on TV gives tips on how to "manage your refrigerator" and uses the term FIFO (buffer) [17:15:15] http://french.about.com/od/mistakes/a/bonmatin.htm [17:16:04] James_F: SannitAway: hmm, ok, being patient [17:16:20] mutante: But not too patient - keep agitating or we'll forget. [17:16:27] heh,ok [17:16:27] * James_F has been around Wikimedia for too long. :-) [17:16:30] :D [17:16:53] * SannitAway dreams of the day in which Wiktionary will use the same Wikidata interface [17:18:11] hooray, /me got 12321 for "Palindrome" [17:18:39] SannitAway: i think it might be more like all editing is wikidata and wiktionary is merely displaying it in a certain dictionary format [17:18:39] PiRSquared: cool! [17:18:40] The permissions requests are simply ridiculous [17:19:14] PiRSquared: great :D [17:19:24] mutante: could be [17:19:54] actually this is a far better idea than mine :D [17:20:10] SannitAway: which is better for 12345 -- Schenectady (whose zip code is 12345) or "Counting"? [17:20:41] * SannitAway is always amazed by nerds' sense of humour XD [17:21:02] quick, there's not much time [17:21:28] PiRSquared: "Count von Count" (en.wp) [17:21:41] Ah,, 1 2 3 HAHAHA [17:24:32] imagines what would happen in the second if Special:CreateItem would take ?QID= [17:25:21] * jeblad_WMDE fell asleep in front of the computer and now has "qwerty" tattooed on his checkbone [17:25:37] *cheekbone? [17:25:53] ah, so not using qwertz even though in DE [17:26:12] you are crazy? I'm norwegian!' [17:26:29] PiRSquared: Schenectady would be nice. :-) [17:26:34] you know how much trouble that gives sebaso? =D [17:26:37] the WMDE in your nick did it. gotcha [17:26:49] James_F: I'm doing CvC [17:26:55] Bah. [17:26:58] * James_F pouts. [17:27:19] James_F: you always have 123456 [17:27:37] PiRSquared: So do you. 123456 isn't a US zip code... [17:27:49] dammit [17:27:51] only 4 more pages :S [17:27:55] waits for his phone number [17:27:56] quick poll [17:29:06] +CvC [17:29:20] [[Q12345]] N http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?oldid=324568&rcid=322097 * PiRSquared17 * (+185) Created page with "Sesame Street character" [17:29:35] if there is no consensus use it for "randomness" or so to make a point ,hehee [17:30:05] nice,i like the vampire [17:30:21] we don't have that article in Italian :| [17:30:53] * Jasper_Deng combs through IP edits for vandalism [17:31:01] * jeblad_WMDE was called the cookie monster by his niece when she was 3 [17:31:34] would you have separate articles for US zip codes? [17:31:35] ...the only thing she calls me now is "hey uncle I need money".. [17:32:21] mutante: why not add ?QID= ? [17:32:58] SannitAway: it is actually a red link on http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sesame_Street , so at least they dont merge characters on one page [17:33:13] mutante: we have it, with the Italian title [17:33:28] Count von Count ("The Count") [17:33:28] Yeah, the redirect thing is irritating in some cases, and useful in others. [17:33:32] sorry, you were referring to the character [17:33:32] should have gone with Schenectady :S [17:33:37] SannitAway: what is the title? [17:33:42] PiRSquared: Told you. ;-) [17:33:48] there's no article, I misunderstood [17:34:36] PiRSquared: i wonder what the upper limit would have to be, so far we declare that an infite resource [17:35:12] mutante: Well, is it a BIGINT? [17:35:31] true, likely it is [17:35:56] mutante: arbitrarily large, eh? [17:35:57] * PiRSquared creates 1[followed by 100 zeros] for Googol [17:36:05] * PiRSquared creates 1[followed by googol zeros] for Googolplex [17:37:53] * James_F is still unsure how often we'll need a [[Q8974]] as well as a [[Q9022]]. [17:37:53] 10[8] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q897413 => [17:37:54] 10[9] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q9022 [17:38:12] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Data_model#Datatypes_and_their_Values [17:43:37] mutante: how do I enter number quantities? [17:43:37] http://korrekt.org/talks/2012/Wikidata_KESW-2012.pdf [17:44:21] Jasper_Deng: i don't know, i also just looked at that when trying to find an the database scheme [17:44:34] to check what type "Q" actually is [17:44:46] mutante: yeah... how do we create other datatypes? [17:45:08] i wonder, i am interested just like you:) [17:45:28] that will be step 2 when we get to infoboxes [17:45:28] afaik [17:45:49] like adding the population of cities was an example [17:45:57] oh [17:46:13] in a talk about wikidata at the wmf engineering meeting / live stream [17:46:27] Don't tell anybody but first you need properties [17:46:33] yeah... [17:47:28] Then you create statements for items refering properties and attaching values and references to them [17:47:45] Its kind of a super sitelink that can do a lot more [17:48:14] The complexity drives the UI-guys nuts [17:48:30] ..or well, they are already nuts.. [17:48:54] =D [17:48:56] heheh [17:49:46] The major problem now is how to connect the backend to the frontend, especially the modelling part [17:50:29] Some of us wants a more low-level approach to the js-api, while other wants a more high level approach [17:51:23] shall we make objects for editing the single fields or for editing a complete claim.. sort of.. [17:52:27] * mutante nods. thanks for info [17:52:41] * James_F is trying to work out a model for music. [17:52:42] I think several wants to go for a kind of frontend-js-orb-thingy that connects to a backend-php-full-object-thingy [17:52:56] Are we going to adopt FRBR for provenance, or jump straight to PROV? [17:53:07] the list examples in that PDF are nice "List of inventors killed by their own inventions" ? haha [17:54:34] "List of animals with fradulent diplomas" [17:54:49] fraudulent [17:56:18] James_F: wiki.musicbrainz.org [17:56:33] mutante: Yeah, we can start with that, though it's not perfect. [17:58:03] Wait, nlwiki got Q10000? Bah. :-) [17:58:05] James_F: are you a user of "Picard" http://musicbrainz.org/doc/MusicBrainz_Picard ? [17:58:17] thats what got me to edit musicbrainz db in some cases [17:59:01] mutante: I don't, no; I gave up on non-iTunes music players in 2006. [18:00:04] well, it is about the ID3 tagging [18:00:15] and free data :) [18:00:17] Indeed. [18:00:19] you can still use another player [18:00:50] I could, but then play-counts wouldn't update and iDevice synchronisation wouldn't work, which are my primary criteria. :-) [18:07:06] lolwut French is used more in Benelux than France itself? [18:07:19] * SannitAway is taking a look at http://korrekt.org/talks/2012/Wikidata_KESW-2012.pdf [18:07:26] (page 19, if you like) [18:08:05] or is it about geolocalisation of articles? [18:19:00] * SannitAway notes lots of tumbleweeds rolling in the channel [18:19:12] yeah :s [18:19:14] anyone else getting lots of lag with pageloads? [18:19:26] Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31208 [18:20:10] fcuk, WHY wikidata doesn't recognize my login with FF, but does so with Chrome? :( [18:20:54] James_F: i thought you get your play counts by automatic scrobbling to last.fm ;) [18:21:00] Eww. [18:21:03] There are still issues with unified login / ordinary login / whattever login [18:21:23] SannitAway: There are Wikimedia-wide SUL issues which are being worked on; sorry about that. [18:21:32] James_F: ah, ok :) [18:21:39] no prob, at least I know [18:21:55] mutante: Auto-publishing what I listen to is not my idea of good. :-) [18:21:59] bugs flocks to wikidata as ants to a piece of sugar [18:24:06] plop [18:26:54] !imaginarybot add label Q12203 en "QR code" [18:30:00] Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31216 [18:30:26] would enjoy sitting in an IRC channel with the RC and add labels from IRC without switching medium :) [18:32:19] mutante: Needs to have multi-labelling support. [18:32:39] my irc nick could be mapped to wiki nick through the IRC cloak / chanserv and central auth [18:32:48] i imagine ;) [18:33:13] mutante: !imaginarybot add label Q140 en "lion" la "leo" mul "panthera leo". [18:33:51] ah, yeah [18:38:12] and once you got them you can have !translate lion en de [18:40:15] dear sysadmins, I want mediawiki files back :( [18:40:23] sincerely ajraddatz [19:18:26] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Minor cleanup of naming and documentation. 'Privates' use '_' now." [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31752 [19:27:03] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31752 [19:46:46] Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31269 [19:46:50] Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31292 [20:11:42] New patchset: Aude; "show deletion log instead of diff for RC when items are deleted" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30981 [20:18:41] New patchset: Aude; "show deletion log instead of diff for RC when items are deleted" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30981 [20:18:41] New patchset: Aude; "adding some i18n to the recent changes lines" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30998 [20:18:41] New patchset: Aude; "cleaning up recent changes code, ExternalRecentChange stuff to handle more stuff" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30809