[00:54:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Looks good mostly. Two small things that need taking care off though - and a few style issues that m..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32586
[00:55:38] <Reedy>	 Merlissimo: It's slacking
[00:55:42] <Reedy>	 we're only at 21000 ;)
[01:02:38] <Jasper_Deng>	 Hosiryuhosi: With local sysops, I think we can opt out of GS
[01:10:08] <Hosiryuhosi>	 Jasper_Deng: hmm, I do not understand it. Currently Wikidata sysops are temporary for 3 months. please ask stewards ;)
[01:10:23] <Jasper_Deng>	 Hosiryuhosi: Yes, but we don't need GS's right now
[01:10:29] <Jasper_Deng>	 and we don't meet the default requirements for GS
[01:10:31] <Reedy>	 Who needs stewards when you've got staff
[01:10:31] <Reedy>	 ;)
[01:10:48] <Reedy>	 Anything you can do, I can do better
[01:10:57] <Reedy>	 I can do anything better than yoju
[01:11:01] <Jasper_Deng>	 Hosiryuhosi: so either way we need consensus to keep us in or we should opt-out
[01:16:07] <Jasper_Deng>	 Hosiryuhosi: I'm opening a thread at project chat
[01:19:01] <Hosiryuhosi>	 Jasper_Deng: that's good.
[01:19:48] <Jasper_Deng>	 Hosiryuhosi: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Opt_out_of_global_sysops
[01:24:30] <Hosiryuhosi>	 Jasper_Deng: I watched it
[01:25:34] <Merlissimo>	 Jasper_Deng: i would agree with Hosiryuhosi: opt-out after we have more then ten regular voted admins, so not count temporary or staff admins for this.
[01:26:14] <Jasper_Deng>	 Merlissimo: Come 3 months we can decide again
[01:26:39] <Jasper_Deng>	 Merlissimo: the guideline also says nothing about temp versus permanent
[01:27:59] <Merlissimo>	 Jasper_Deng: it also says nothing about staff admins. if you would count wikidata had to opt-out before is was set up
[01:28:58] <Jasper_Deng>	 Merlissimo: true, but initially there was no consensus to opt-out
[01:29:39] <Jasper_Deng>	 in fact, although it wasn't written out explicitly, consensus was opting in
[01:29:57] <Jasper_Deng>	 and in any case staff admins never count because they weren't permitted to use their tools under normal circumstances
[01:30:04] <Merlissimo>	 i think GS are welcome. and we  should ecide about GS after we have an admin policy and keep status quo with ids opt in with GS and rollbackers
[01:30:35] <Jasper_Deng>	 g-rollback will always be opted in unless you want a large change
[02:34:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: John Erling Blad; "A few comments on a possible problem. I don't see the reasoning behind some of the changes to use ti..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32586
[03:11:39] <Jasper_Deng>	 Reedy: How would we know that http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q21193&action=history contains useful content, apart from switching to every possible language?
[03:12:55] <Hazard-SJ>	 Jasper_Deng: Good question
[04:12:16] <Jasper_Deng>	 Merlissimo: would you say it's time to start electing our own 'crats?
[04:12:34] <Jasper_Deng>	 it would prepare us well so that we can elect permanent administrators after 12/31/12
[04:24:27] <Merlissimo>	 Jasper_Deng: i am undecided. 
[04:26:14] <Jasper_Deng>	 Merlissimo: we would also have to decide if election to 'cratship means permanent adminship
[04:26:29] <Jasper_Deng>	 because I don't think stewards are ready to handle temp 'crats
[04:29:25] <Merlissimo>	 i would prefer a vote about admin and crat vote condition for about two weeks as an official policy and then vote for new crats.  so we could have crats early december
[04:30:15] <Jasper_Deng>	 sounds good
[04:31:41] <Jasper_Deng>	 Merlissimo: but what do you mean by "vote condition"?
[04:32:56] <Merlissimo>	 on most wikis there are conditions needed for adminship. But that's not easy on new wikis. there is a dicussion about in on portal chat
[04:33:32] <Jasper_Deng>	 oh
[09:55:40] <Wiki13>	 i see that https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q21381&action=history seems to be re-used
[09:55:49] <Wiki13>	 should it be deleted or?
[09:56:06] <Wiki13>	 or let it stay as it is
[09:59:42] <Wiki13>	 I´ll just close it as not done then
[10:20:35] <wm-bot>	 Change on 12meta_wikimedia a page Wikidata was modified, changed by Makecat link https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=4511538 edit summary: Undo revision 4511525 by [[Special:Contributions/Wiljes|Wiljes]] ([[User talk:Wiljes|talk]])
[10:20:36] <AsimovBot>	 10[17] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wiljes13 =>
[10:20:38] <AsimovBot>	 10[18] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Wiljes
[10:45:02] <Cesar_Jared>	 Hi
[11:45:37] <Wiki13>	 Hi
[11:46:24] <Wiki13>	 I kinda have  a problem with a redirect
[11:46:27] <Wiki13>	 https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Terminologie&redirect=no
[11:46:44] <Wiki13>	 This term is also used in the Dutch language
[11:47:01] <Wiki13>	 what should happen to the redirect
[11:47:02] <Wiki13>	 ?
[11:48:22] <Wiki13>	 Anyone?
[11:49:42] <Nikerabbit>	 don't use redirects like that ;)
[11:50:03] <Wiki13>	 so should it be deleted?
[11:51:50] <Wiki13>	 nikerrabit?
[11:52:41] <Nikerabbit>	 not without breaking links
[11:52:57] <Nikerabbit>	 you could replace it with [[Special:MyLangauge/Wikidata:Glossary]]
[11:52:57] <AsimovBot>	 10[19] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:MyLangauge/Wikidata:Glossary
[11:53:22] <Wiki13>	 seems to be used once
[11:53:29] <Wiki13>	 in Help:FAQ/fr 
[11:56:26] <Wiki13>	 I´m deleting the page after changing the link on the only page where it was used
[12:03:34] <Wiki13>	 ok...
[12:03:38] <Wiki13>	 strange
[12:10:14] <hsarrazin>	 hello, is there a pb with autoedit ? I can't have it after my last edit on http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q957 ?
[12:11:54] <Wiki13>	 hsarrazin, maybe it could be https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3AGadget-autoEdit.js&diff=399480&oldid=399410 ?
[12:13:10] <Vogone>	 Short questions: Why doesn't autowatchlist work for me?
[12:13:45] <hsarrazin>	 Wiki13 probably... thanx - I'll wait a little... :)
[12:14:00] <hsarrazin>	 Vogone: what is autowatchlist ?
[12:14:53] <Vogone>	 "Add pages and files I edit to my watchlist" in my preferences
[12:16:15] <hsarrazin>	 Vogone: if it is for items you modify, it does not work for me either... works fine on discussion and project pages....
[12:16:27] <hsarrazin>	 maybe it's been disabled on item pages ?
[12:16:28] <Vogone>	 yeah
[12:16:40] <Vogone>	 I think, it's a bug
[12:17:21] <Wiki13>	 I´m going to look for the bug
[12:17:22] <Vogone>	 -,
[12:17:56] <hsarrazin>	 or the way the item pages are modified (directly without "save" button) prevents the system to automatically add them to the list...
[12:18:37] <Vogone>	 yeah, It might be so
[12:18:49] <Wiki13>	 Vogone, hsarrazin: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41573
[12:19:06] <Wiki13>	 that´s the bug
[12:19:32] <Wiki13>	 just for reference
[12:19:39] <Vogone>	 puh, I happy I didn't created this duplicate :D
[12:19:46] <Vogone>	 *I'm happy
[12:19:51] <Vogone>	 -ed
[12:19:51] <AsimovBot>	 04Error: Command “ed” not recognized. Please review and correct what you’ve written.
[12:19:54] <hsarrazin>	 Wiki13 thanx... exactly what I thougt...
[12:19:56] <Vogone>	 grrr...
[12:21:06] <hsarrazin>	 hello Thehelpfulone :) - very nice nickname you got ;)
[12:38:54] <Jitrixis>	 -help
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[12:41:27] <Jitrixis>	 -random
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[12:41:47] <Jitrixis>	 -? random
[12:41:47] <AsimovBot>	 random: .
[12:42:07] <Jitrixis>	 -user
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[12:43:59] <Danny_B|backup>	 ninguno group?
[12:47:01] <Jitrixis>	 I don't know what does it mean ?
[12:50:58] <Cesar_Jared>	 -info
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[12:51:36] <Jitrixis>	 -? infor
[12:51:36] <AsimovBot>	 04Error: Command “infor” not recognized. Please review and correct what you’ve written. - 13Ayuda: -? ayuda
[12:51:42] <Jitrixis>	 -? info
[12:51:42] <AsimovBot>	 info (alias de user): .
[12:52:07] <Jitrixis>	 -user Cesar Jared
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[12:52:29] <Thehelpfulone>	 hi hsarrazin, thanks :P
[12:55:22] <Vogone>	 -user
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[12:56:14] <Vogone>	 Groups: (ninguno)? :O
[12:57:56] <lukas23>	 -user
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[12:58:07] <lukas23>	 -user Lukas²³
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[12:58:15] <Vogone>	 :/
[12:58:34] <Cesar_Jared>	 cueeec
[12:58:38] <Cesar_Jared>	 hay que hablar con jem
[12:59:11] <Vogone>	 -user User:Vogone
[12:59:11] <AsimovBot>	 10[26] Unregistered user wikidata:User:Vogone - (N/A): N/D - Edits:  (0,00 ed./day) - First: N/D in «» - Last: 04N/D in «» - Groups: (ninguno) - Sex: N/D - 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/User:Vogone
[13:46:40] <Vogone>	 MF-Warburg
[13:46:46] <lukas23>	 Vogone
[13:46:47] <Vogone>	 Moin :D
[13:46:53] <MF-Warburg>	 hai
[13:47:34] <lukas23>	 fisch
[13:47:51] <Vogone>	 hahaha ... ist das lustig :p
[13:48:09] <lukas23>	 hihihi ... ist es nicht
[13:48:32] <Vogone>	 ? *kopfrüttel*
[13:48:43] <lukas23>	 ! *kopfnick*
[13:50:31] <hsarrazin>	 -user
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[13:54:06] <Wiki13>	 -user
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[13:54:11] <Wiki13>	 lol
[14:00:58] <Merlissimo>	 Wiki13: we shout ask stewards to de-bot AsimovBot, because it lies
[14:01:24] <Merlissimo>	 -user
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[14:04:22] <lukas23>	 :|
[14:06:28] <hsarrazin>	 there certainly is a bug with AsimovBot - it does not respond to the second law :DD
[14:15:06] <Merlissimo>	 hsarrazin: why? the bot responded the my question (only the content is wrong)
[14:16:00] <Merlissimo>	 does jem- know about this bug?
[14:25:40] <Merlissimo>	 hsarrazin: which script are you using for importing sitelinks? my bot removed a link to disambigous page on dewiki http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q989&diff=prev&oldid=401650
[14:26:02] <Merlissimo>	 oh sorry, it wasn't your import
[14:28:01] <Vogone>	 hey Merl :)
[14:30:07] <hsarrazin>	 Merlissimo: must obey to an order, unless contrary to primary law... obviously, this one is the "Liar" that escaped Asimov's book ;)
[14:31:26] <hsarrazin>	 Merlissimo: I use Tpt's "Slurpinterwiki" script (the one in the Gadgets)...
[14:32:53] <hsarrazin>	 Merlissimo: I see that your bot automatically "changed" labels on http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q989&diff=prev&oldid=401650
[14:33:21] <hsarrazin>	 is it normal ? shouldn't it leave labels that could have been written by other contributors ?
[14:34:02] <Merlissimo>	 it does not change labels, only sitelinks 
[14:34:24] <Merlissimo>	 the label is only changed when the sitelinks was wrong
[14:34:37] <Reedy>	 aude: About?
[14:41:03] <Tpt>	 hsarrazin: Tu verrais une meilleur formulation pour "ajoute à la liste des labels le nom des liens pour les labels n'existant pas".
[14:41:33] <hsarrazin>	 tpt en français, traduit Labels par Libellés, ça sera plus français, et plus compréhensible...
[14:42:07] <hsarrazin>	 "complète automatiquement les libellés vides avec le nom des liens correspondants" ?
[14:42:20] <hsarrazin>	 sous-entendu : ne touche pas aux libellés existants ?
[14:42:40] <Tpt>	 hsarrazin: Merci. Je prend cela.
[14:42:59] <hsarrazin>	 Merlissimo: OK,  I did not see that :)
[14:43:47] <Merlissimo>	 we have already much invalid and wrong data atwikidata
[14:44:32] <Tpt>	 hsarrazin: Et en anglais: 'Complete automatically empty labels with the name of the related link.'
[14:44:42] <Merlissimo>	 the question is, how can we detect vandalism like http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q989&diff=10768&oldid=10714
[14:45:12] <hsarrazin>	 tpt "Auto-complete" au lieu de "complete automatically"... plus court, et tout à fait courant
[14:46:02] <Tpt>	 hsarrazin: Merci
[14:46:09] <hsarrazin>	 Merlissimo: is it vandalism or just ignorance... ?
[14:47:41] <Merlissimo>	 it is vandalism caused by either ignorance, maliciousness or only mindlessness
[14:47:44] <hsarrazin>	 but the answer is... only human people can... unless writing a script to detect homonymy pages...
[14:48:02] <hsarrazin>	 vandalism is deliberate...
[14:49:14] <Merlissimo>	 the bot repaired this item using graph algorithm like on every other wikipedia page
[14:50:08] <Merlissimo>	 i am running an interwikibot with includes wikidata, not a special import script
[14:52:18] <hsarrazin>	 by the way, Merlissimo , is it normal to find desambiguation pages in items ?
[14:52:53] <hsarrazin>	 I found some while writing description in French et j'ai mis 'page d'homonymie' je crois...
[14:53:02] <Merlissimo>	 the removal was not because of disambig page.
[14:53:15] <Reedy>	 Tpt: Interesting. If you enable the slurp gadget, as well as having it in your common.js, they both seem to break and list no IW links
[14:53:23] <hsarrazin>	 Merlissimo: I know, I just ask you the questio...
[14:53:47] <hsarrazin>	 *question :)
[14:54:29] <Merlissimo>	 i have written (but not enabled) a script to find sitelinks to not existing targets. i could extend it for disambig
[14:54:55] <Merlissimo>	 btw currently there are already 2400 sitelinks to not existing targets
[14:54:56] <Tpt>	 Reedy: It's maybe because there are duplicate HTML ids.
[14:55:22] <Merlissimo>	 most cause by local pagemoves
[15:01:45] <hsarrazin>	 Merlissimo: what do you call "non existing targets"... links to "red pages" ?
[15:02:15] <Merlissimo>	 yes
[15:03:54] <hsarrazin>	 Merlissimo: if there are interwiki links, there should be a redirection, no ?
[15:04:19] <Merlissimo>	 ?
[15:05:10] <hsarrazin>	 I mean, if there is an interwiki link on a german page, for ex. to a spanish page, that has been moved... there should be a redirection on the spanish page, no ?
[15:05:50] <Merlissimo>	 if you move a page on .e.g dewiki (and wikibase client would be enabled for langlinks). the connection to the item is lost and no langlinks shown on dewiki anymore. a hack fas added in the repository that the user how moved the local page is asked if he would be so kind, to update also the wikidata item (which is not done uatomatically)
[15:05:52] <hsarrazin>	 or would they be mindless enough to rename without redirection ?
[15:06:19] <Merlissimo>	 the redirect can be deleted or the page moed with creating a redirect
[15:07:33] <hsarrazin>	 Merlissimo: yes, it would be a good idea to make contributors responsible for the consequences on wikidata ;)
[15:08:35] <Merlissimo>	 but sometimes the wikidata contributor is not responsible e.g. if two local pages are switched
[15:10:00] <Merlissimo>	 the problem is that there are only few langlink experts with experience and now mmany people maintain langlinks without thinking  about the consequenses
[15:10:14] <hsarrazin>	 I meant "make him conscious" of the consequences... 
[15:11:53] <hsarrazin>	 and the wikipedia contributors.... 
[15:18:52] <aude>	 hi Reedy 
[15:19:34] <Reedy>	 aude: Mind removing the slurpinterwiki from your common.js please? It's a gadget now ;)
[15:21:04] <aude>	 ah, okay :)
[15:21:18] <aude>	 yay! gadgets
[15:23:03] <aude>	 ah, someone put create an item in the sidebar
[15:23:33] <Wiki13>	 indeed, some user scripts like autoedit and labellister are also gadgets now
[15:36:40] <Vogone>	 hey SPQRobin oob :D
[15:37:17] <SPQRobin>	 err, hey Vogone :)
[15:58:46] <Grondin>	 hello
[15:59:52] <hsarrazin>	 Merlissimo: I have a problem with 2 diff. items which have the same frwiki link.... because fr did not make 2 diff. articles... 
[15:59:58] <hsarrazin>	 what should I do ?
[16:00:48] <hsarrazin>	 I cannot add the fr link on the second one, because it is already used...
[16:01:03] <Merlissimo>	 you cannot do anything atm at wikidata. the solution would be to have a static redirect for one topic, but that cannot  be added to wikidata
[16:01:34] <hsarrazin>	 is there a place where I can signal that kind of pb ?
[16:02:48] <Merlissimo>	 i talked about this soome time ago on the mailinglist, but maybe you should ask on the page for questions to developers
[16:17:42] <Merlissimo>	 oo, my bot is doing 300 api read requests per minute in average.
[16:50:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Rename CreateEntity and CreateItem to NewEntity and NewItem" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32918
[16:55:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: John Erling Blad; "I have no idea what this is" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32918
[17:06:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Rename CreateEntity and CreateItem to NewEntity and NewItem" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32921
[17:07:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: John Erling Blad; "I have no idea what this is" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32921
[17:07:58] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: John Erling Blad; "The shit ended up in master" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32918
[17:12:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aude; "See https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41998 and there are patches in gerrit for that." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32921
[18:08:30] <Merlissimo>	 Lydia_WMDE: what do you mean with "which one failed"?
[18:09:10] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Merlissimo: sorry - the sitelinks
[18:09:16] <Lydia_WMDE>	 or did i misunderstand
[18:09:26] <Lydia_WMDE>	 you wanted a more verbose api response right?
[18:09:49] <Merlissimo>	 i don't know which one of the long list of sitelinks my request contains failed
[18:09:59] <Lydia_WMDE>	 right
[18:10:06] <Lydia_WMDE>	 so the api response should tell you
[18:10:09] <Lydia_WMDE>	 :)
[18:10:09] <Merlissimo>	 ah, ok i missunderstood
[18:10:14] <Lydia_WMDE>	 no problem
[18:10:53] <Merlissimo>	 ok feature request for including which one failed. but there is still the question what should i do if that happens?
[18:11:17] <Lydia_WMDE>	 that i unfortunately can't answer
[18:11:32] <Lydia_WMDE>	 jeblad_WMDE is the better one to ask
[18:11:33] <benestar>	 what failed?
[20:14:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "backwards compatibility to handle client entities with numeric ids" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32929
[20:39:23] <Jasper_Deng>	 Savh: poke
[20:40:11] <Savh>	 Hello, Jasper.
[20:41:02] <Merlissimo>	 DanielK_WMDE: it you set content language to mul i cound randomize choose a bot summary language - that would be funny (my bot already uses different language templates for summary on incubator)
[21:03:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "backwards compatibility to handle client entities with numeric ids" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32929
[21:05:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "make EntityObject::getId more robust against existing data" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32557
[21:08:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aude; "There are such cases that the id is an integer." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32557
[21:10:21] <Merlissimo>	 Wiki13: ;-). My bot removed the ", 1969" at all labels
[21:11:12] <Merlissimo>	 (i was talking about http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q19431&curid=22568&diff=409006&oldid=409000)
[21:24:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "add EntityChange base class to handle common stuff for all change types" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33033
[21:32:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "add EntityChange base class to handle common stuff for all change types" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33033
[21:33:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "This sounds like the serialization is lousily implemented. Think the logic in this patch makes no se..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32557
[21:40:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added some fixmes" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33034
[21:46:44] <DanielK_WMDE>	 Merlissimo: we have a way to magically localize edit summaries we generate. every user sees them in their language. maybe we can come up with a way to make that work for bot edits, too...+#
[21:47:34] <Merlissimo>	 yes i know, but adding this special code manually fails - i already tried it
[21:55:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Ok, we indeed have some bad serialization going on, in both the changes table and the entity cache. ..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32557
[21:58:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aude; "You changed the expected return value of getId() here." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32557
[22:01:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aude; "Don't worry too much about the EntityCacheTable as don't think we'll end up having it on the clients..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32557
[22:02:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Agree with the change in general, but there are some issues. And it looks like there are several tha..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33033
[22:02:53] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33034
[22:05:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "> You changed the expected return value of getId() here." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32557
[22:08:00] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "What exactly can we kill? The EntityCache? If we can directly access the primary data from anywhere ..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32557
[22:09:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Remove autoload of class no longer in Wikibase" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33038
[22:10:03] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33038
[22:12:20] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "add EntityChange base class to handle common stuff for all change types" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33033
[22:16:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "add EntityChange base class to handle common stuff for all change types" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33033
[22:19:20] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aude; "the pollforchanges mechanism doesn't yet use the api or a other way for third parties yet to use the..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32557
[22:21:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aude; "<Exactly. What's the point you're trying to make?>" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32557
[22:39:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aude; "still working on this" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33033
[22:48:04] <jeblad_WMDE>	 DanielK_WMDE: Magically localize it? Eh.. Isn't much magic with it.
[22:49:06] <jeblad_WMDE>	 But right now ULS breaks the javascript on my localhost
[22:49:36] <jeblad_WMDE>	 I guess a pull break the js-code for others too
[22:50:51] <jeblad_WMDE>	 Anyone with a working rewind-command for the ULS stuff?
[22:52:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Indeed, makes it harder to backport stuff." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32557
[22:54:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "If we go not need the entity cache for the coming months then yes, let's move it out. Less stuff to ..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32557
[23:02:40] <YairRand>	 Merlissimo: and now three more entries with wrong aliases
[23:04:28] <YairRand>	 and a whole bunch more, all of which have alias errors
[23:04:41] <YairRand>	 every single one
[23:07:14] <YairRand>	 hm, I suppose I'm being annoying. sorry.
[23:07:53] <Merlissimo>	 YairRand: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Redirects_as_aliases
[23:09:13] <YairRand>	 Merlissimo: I'll comment there. 
[23:10:22] <Merlissimo>	 YairRand: i think most added aliases are valid. but why is manually adding aliases easier than removing incalid. i think that is much more work
[23:10:50] <YairRand>	 even if it was, it's more likely to give accurate aliases, which is kind of the point
[23:11:27] <Merlissimo>	 missing aliases isn't better
[23:11:32] <YairRand>	 yes it is
[23:12:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Implement Serializable interface for the entities" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33041
[23:15:16] <Amqui>	 good evening
[23:16:01] <Amqui>	 is it in the plan of Wikidata to serve as a central place to hold factual information that require regular updates that could be use in-line in the text of Wikipedias?
[23:16:28] <Amqui>	 so we could update it there instead of all articles that mention this information
[23:16:54] <Amqui>	 (I ask that, because I had plan to create templates to do that...)
[23:17:00] <Merlissimo>	 Amqui: yes
[23:17:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Attempt to fix the serialization issue: I7d8b5679" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32557
[23:17:27] <Amqui>	 Merlissimo so I rather wait than carry on with those templates?
[23:17:57] <Amqui>	 I mean is it in the near future plan
[23:18:04] <Merlissimo>	 you can add data to an item and use this value e.g. in infoboxes
[23:18:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Implement Serializable interface for the entities" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33041
[23:18:20] <Merlissimo>	 depends on your definition of "near future"
[23:18:38] <Amqui>	 hum let say 4 months is not near
[23:19:46] <Merlissimo>	 then not near, because phase 2 ends in about 4 month and then it must be tested, rewied, ...
[23:20:18] <Amqui>	 ok
[23:20:24] <Amqui>	 thanks
[23:20:58] <Amqui>	 phase 2 is only interwikis if I'm not mistaking
[23:21:42] <Sannita>	 no, phase 1 is only interwikis
[23:21:47] <Sannita>	 this is phase 1
[23:22:06] <Sannita>	 phase 2 is infoboxes
[23:22:18] <Amqui>	 ok
[23:22:24] <Merlissimo>	 Amqui: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Data_model_primer
[23:22:32] <Amqui>	 but what if those infoboxes need to draw from the information I was talking about?
[23:22:34] <Sannita>	 phase 2 is currently under development
[23:22:59] <Sannita>	 and the writing of the code will take (hopefully) up to 4 months
[23:23:17] <Amqui>	 let say infobox for a city, information about its population
[23:23:18] <Sannita>	 (anybody, please, correct me if I'm saying wrong things)
[23:23:38] <Amqui>	 this information shouldn't be duplicated between the infobox item and the population of that city item itself
[23:24:04] <Sannita>	 the population of, say, Rome, will be stored in the Rome, Italy entry
[23:24:20] <Amqui>	 ok
[23:24:23] <Sannita>	 and infoboxes will take the info from there
[23:24:54] <Amqui>	 but projects will be able to use this information directly too ?
[23:24:58] <Sannita>	 yep
[23:25:18] <Amqui>	 good
[23:25:33] <Amqui>	 I guess I should wait and keep updating all articles for the time being then
[23:25:45] <Sannita>	 as we all do :)
[23:25:55] <Sannita>	 I can't really wait for next step
[23:25:57] <Amqui>	 no I already have couple templates made for that ;)
[23:26:18] <Amqui>	 I don't like to do robot jobs :P
[23:26:24] <Sannita>	 :D
[23:26:44] <Amqui>	 but I don't want to make new ones since I wish to maximize wikidata use
[23:27:55] <Amqui>	 I don't really follow its development though, but how can the infobox phase be before the one for those entry?
[23:28:01] <Amqui>	 like Rome entry
[23:28:31] <Sannita>	 ?
[23:28:39] <Amqui>	 you said phase 2 is infobox
[23:28:46] <Amqui>	 phase 1 is interwiki - ongoing
[23:30:45] <Amqui>	 when will we be able to start creating those entries?
[23:30:54] <Amqui>	 it should be before the infoboxes, no?
[23:33:14] <Amqui>	 Merlissimo you have a link like last one that show the concept how we will be able to "call" those properties of an item from Wikipedia for example?
[23:33:21] <Sannita>	 we're already doing them
[23:33:41] <Amqui>	 so it's not only interwikis
[23:34:56] <Merlissimo>	 Amqui: you have to ask Lydia_WMDE
[23:36:08] <Sannita>	 no, it's only interwikis
[23:36:20] <Sannita>	 we're creating entries just with interwikis
[23:36:24] <Amqui>	 so then we didn't start
[23:36:30] <Sannita>	 during phase 2 we will add the other infos
[23:36:37] <Amqui>	 ok
[23:36:52] <Amqui>	 so then phase 2 is not only infoboxes ;)
[23:38:34] <Reedy>	 and for phase3 they're going to rewrite mediawiki
[23:39:05] <Sannita>	 probably it's because I'm busy with another thing, or because it's really late, or I'm just unlearning english, but I can't really understand your point :)
[23:39:37] <Amqui>	 I mean adding properties to item, all those properties aren't to be for infoboxes
[23:39:49] <Amqui>	 don't have to be8*
[23:40:09] <Sannita>	 they will be for them too (if I got what you mean)
[23:40:44] <Amqui>	 why couldn't we add properties that infoboxes don't need?
[23:40:50] <Sannita>	 we can
[23:40:56] <Amqui>	 ok, but not in phase2?
[23:40:59] <Sk1d>	 hm if i aks the api querry: https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=wbgetitems&sites=en&titles=Berlin&languages=en which is a example on the api.php i get an error -.-
[23:41:14] <Sannita>	 phase 2 IS about adding properties and infos and stuff
[23:41:19] <Amqui>	 ok
[23:41:36] <Sannita>	 we call it the "infobox phase" because this will be the primary use, for the time being
[23:41:44] <Sannita>	 but the info will grow
[23:41:57] <Sannita>	 and of course not all infos will be good for infoboxes
[23:42:07] <Amqui>	 I see more use outside infoboxes personally ;)
[23:42:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "add EntityChange base class to handle common stuff for all change types" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33033
[23:42:56] <Amqui>	 thanks for you time
[23:43:00] <Amqui>	 your time*
[23:43:55] <Sannita>	 you're welcome :)
[23:45:03] <Amqui>	 unless you can answer the question I asked Merlissimo ;)
[23:45:20] <Amqui>	 do  you have a link like last one that show the concept how we will be able to "call" those properties of an item from Wikipedia for example?
[23:45:45] <Restu20>	 Amqui: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Linking_wikipedia_pages
[23:46:42] <Amqui>	 no nothing to see with my question
[23:47:38] <Amqui>	 we "call" an "item" from Wikicommons by puting [[File:blabla]], what is the concept to call a property from a Wikidata's entry?
[23:47:39] <AsimovBot>	 10[30] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/File:blabla
[23:48:38] <Reedy>	 It's still a way off...
[23:49:16] <Amqui>	 that's why I asked for the planned concept
[23:49:34] <Reedy>	 Don't know if/how well it's been defined
[23:49:35] <Restu20>	 Amqui: probably something like this https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Inclusion_syntax
[23:50:06] <Amqui>	 thanks Restu20
[23:50:08] <Merlissimo>	 Amqui: it is not implemented yet, so you have to ask the developers
[23:50:57] <Amqui>	 Merlissimo isn't it the place for that here?
[23:51:06] <Reedy>	 Not at past midnight on a ewekend
[23:51:21] <Amqui>	 timezone matters, I always forget :P
[23:52:31] <Merlissimo>	 Reedy: midnight? 1 o'clock am
[23:52:40] <Reedy>	 Yes
[23:52:44] <Reedy>	 Past midnight
[23:52:47] <Amqui>	 lol
[23:52:52] <Reedy>	 Which is the same as After midnight
[23:53:02] <Reedy>	 It's also not 01:00
[23:53:06] <Reedy>	 It's 00:53 ;)
[23:53:24] <Amqui>	 almost supper time here :P
[23:53:26] <Sannita>	 still it's too late to be this precise :P
[23:53:51] <Sannita>	 (and I'm working on something due on tomorrow...) :'(
[23:54:00] <Amqui>	 and tomorrow is a Stat holiday
[23:54:48] <Amqui>	 Remembrance Day
[23:55:21] <Reedy>	 Only if you're a yank
[23:55:44] <Amqui>	 no, not only
[23:55:57] <Amqui>	 since I'm far from a yank
[23:56:21] <Amqui>	 :P
[23:56:26] <Reedy>	 It's not one in the UK
[23:56:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "add check for existing duplicate entities in EntityCacheUpdater when adding new ones" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33045
[23:56:42] <Reedy>	 They seem to have tried and recently failed
[23:57:11] <Amqui>	 in Canada, it's a Stat in 8 of 10 provinces