[00:15:31] Do note both the time [00:15:35] And the fact it's a weekend... [00:17:03] Reedy: do you know if this bug should be fixed by wikidata or language setup? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42397 [00:18:35] (currently this blocks my bot creating items having an uzwiki sitelink) [00:19:49] Do any of the variant type links work? [00:22:09] not as uselang [00:23:03] but all other vairants e.g. sr-el, zh-hans, kk-cyrl and so on are working (also as uselang) [00:24:25] uzwiki is also the only wiki having the main language "uz" listed at the varant selection [00:24:44] Sven_Manguard: could be implemented [00:24:55] maybe i'll should create a second bug for language setup [00:35:41] i create a second bug for language setup [00:53:42] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35017 [00:54:19] good night [00:56:00] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35018 [01:14:54] New review: Daniel Werner; "There is still something wrong with sitelinks. Sometimes I add one, and then I want to remove it bef..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34723 [01:14:54] Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34723 [01:36:36] My archive bot is running :) [01:37:07] * Hazard-SJ tries to code another bot, not sure how successful it will be :/ [01:44:51] * Hazard-SJ wonders which admin isn't busy [01:45:10] Hazard-SJ: what do you mean by spererate task? we are not on enwiki here. If you have flag for archiving section bases on onpage template config then you have to flag for this. adding new config feature do not need a new bot flag request i think. [01:45:44] Hazard-SJ: here [01:45:49] Merlissimo: *separate code [01:46:38] SannitAway: Sure you're not "away"? ;) https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:NuvieK and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Morten_Haan can have their autopatrolled right removed now since they're sysops [01:48:08] * Hazard-SJ goes to try his luck at coding an archive bot specifically for [[WD:RFD]] [01:48:08] 10[1] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Discusi%C3%B3n:RFD [01:48:32] Hazard-SJ: its the same result: moving sections to supages. and it is your responsibility that your code works well and if not you haveto repair it. enwiki is the only wiki that handles this different by testing your source code [01:48:45] Hazard-SJ: done [01:49:04] SannitAway: Thanks [01:49:05] and no, I wasn't away :P I just forgot to put it... away [01:49:10] :P [01:49:18] jem-: Around? [01:50:02] Merlissimo: Which are you talking about? the {{finished}} or [[WD:RFD]]? [01:50:03] 10[2] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:finished13 => [01:50:05] 10[3] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Discusi%C3%B3n:RFD [01:50:22] finished [01:51:37] * Riley wants to get some policies written.. [01:52:14] Merlissimo: That's only the sugestion of one user, though. If it is decided that it is needed, the bot could always be disabled. However, I'll see what I can do re that after I have the RFD archiver working to help out admins. [02:03:52] well, good night (here's 3:03 AM) [02:04:00] see you tomorro [02:04:03] *tomorrow [02:19:28] Sk1d: you there? [02:23:24] jep [02:23:29] but not for long [02:24:11] Sven_Manguard: ... [02:24:23] Oh, sorry, I was in another tab [02:24:39] by "throttle" I meant that bots should be maxing out at one edit per five seconds [02:25:16] and ideally, should temporarily shut down if (I forget what the technical term is, so let's call it "server lag") gets too high [02:25:54] 12 edits a minute, even with three bots or four bots, means it'll take a while to populate articles, but if we let them roam free, bad things happen [02:27:33] Sven_Manguard: i think it is only important that bots take care of server load (maxlag or watching replag) and are not too fast so that mistakes can be detected. [02:28:38] i started slow and incread my speed over time [02:28:44] right. On English Wikipedia that's one edit every five seconds. If we want to come up with a different number, we've got two and a half bot operators (I'm the half) in this conversation we can come up with one [02:28:53] still not at maximum [02:29:08] I certainly would say that 30 a minute is the absolute highest I'd feel comfortable with [02:30:06] ok [02:30:32] sb. here who want to calculate how long it will take to create all 17 mio item? [02:31:08] (for me it's too late) [02:31:31] 393 days [02:31:49] with one bot at 30 pages/per minuit [02:32:21] *minute [02:32:28] Sven_Manguard: with an edit speed of 6-8 edit per minutes i currently need to make about 350 read request per minute to collect all needed data [02:32:57] no idea what that means [02:33:13] Sk1d: we're going to have at least two bots, possibly five [02:33:31] Merlissimo: I have no idea what that stat means [02:33:37] for i can create a new item i have to collected all the data, biuld connections graphs and so on [02:33:47] I run bots, but I can't program :S [02:33:50] if my bot runs one thread it creats about 10-15 pages i think [02:33:52] before ... [02:37:45] Merlissimo: Sk1d: How fast is the fastest you'd feel comfortable running the bots? [02:40:19] Sven_Manguard: I was at that level once [02:40:38] okay, we now have three and a half bot ops in the convo [02:40:40] good [02:40:46] now we can do consensus [02:41:07] Sven_Manguard: But I actually don't know what exactly is being spoken about :O [02:41:44] Was busy finishing up a bot trial :P [02:42:03] Hazard-SJ: throttle for the bots [02:42:16] Sven_Manguard: depends on my control speed and the community response. if i am feeling good a rise it a bit. but currently my s2 cluster thread is limiting my speed with currrenlty 150 read requests per minute. my bot started on pages having most langlinks first. [02:42:17] how many edits per minute can we do before everyone starts getting uncomfortable [02:42:35] pages having less langlink will not cause so much work for the bot [02:44:21] I'd really like a number, something that people can agree to [02:45:24] for me personally it doesnt matter so 1 edit per second....? [02:46:19] can we agree to 30 a minute? [02:46:23] at least for now? [02:46:40] oh, you know, whatever [02:47:11] i think it is important that new bots must start at slow speed [02:47:41] yes [02:47:56] I think 20-25 for now. [02:48:01] Then rise it up if needed. [02:48:20] ok [02:48:28] Thats just my opinion though. [02:49:15] Its just, if something is going to break, lets have it break now while running at 20-25 to have a smaller mess instead of 30 or more where it will be even worse to clean up. I doubt that would happen though. [02:50:35] yes but i dont think we need a fixed number, this could be a recommendation [02:50:53] Of course. [02:51:48] * Hazard-SJ just caught up again [02:52:14] Sk1d: Don't you think 1 edit per second is too much? [02:52:34] Sk1d: Read further down :P [02:52:35] my bot cannot hit a 25 limit atm becaue item a to big atm [02:52:46] Especially when the bot pas to read pages as well :| [02:53:13] I meant to ping Hazard-SJ there, not Skid -.- [02:53:27] Merlissimo: You mean it takes very long to read the item data? [02:53:35] we do not read a read limit because for reading squid cache is used [02:54:18] Riley: I guess we can use 30 in rare cases [02:54:39] Hazard-SJ: atm my bot needs 350 read request in average for creating only 6-8 items [02:54:40] It's not very likely that we'll have bots editing so often [02:54:57] Hazard-SJ: Fine by me. [02:55:18] Merlissimo: How long does it take for the cache to expire from the server? [02:55:53] And does this channel have to be logged? [02:56:08] Hazard-SJ: of course it is to high but for me boundaries are not necessary [02:56:40] Hazard-SJ: It is logged because dev discussions happen in this channel (I think) [02:56:58] for api squids? i don't think caches expire ever if not cleared by singal (purge/jobqueue/update) [02:57:21] Sk1d: I agree, once it isn't abused. [02:57:24] Riley: OK [02:57:46] Merlissimo: OK, fine by me then. [02:59:03] btw: i started a disucussion about minimum features needed by import bots: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Bots#Import_bot_feature_list [02:59:10] Hazard-SJ: Just so you can understand further "[07:10:52] i want the channel to be logged because the dev discussions should be open and visible to everyone, regardless of them being online at a given time" [02:59:30] Riley: OK [03:05:30] so recommendation is don't do more then 30 edits / min if you don't have good reasons? [03:06:49] Yes. [03:06:52] Yes [03:07:12] ok then i am going to sleep good night [03:07:24] Night [03:07:28] Good night [03:10:52] yay [03:11:23] ? [03:11:30] Whats the good news? [03:16:23] Riley: Bots [03:17:11] * Hazard-SJ wonders what would happen if we put all bots together to make the "perfect" bot :| [03:17:38] Sven_Manguard: Perfect [03:18:25] wm-bot's replag is ~3 seconds greater than mine [03:18:39] Hazard-SJ: I'd fear for Canada [03:18:52] Heheh. [03:19:55] Hazard-SJ: currently my bot includes all features of all flagged import bots (because it is the only one ;-) ) [03:20:54] can anybody here translate russian for me? [03:21:23] Merlissimo: :) [03:21:27] Google? [03:21:30] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC#.D0.91.D1.83.D0.BA.D0.B2.D0.B0_.D1.91 [03:22:40] Merlissimo: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fwiki%2FWikidata%3A%25D0%25A4%25D0%25BE%25D1%2580%25D1%2583%25D0%25BC [03:22:42] http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fwiki%2FWikidata%3A%25D0%25A4%25D0%25BE%25D1%2580%25D1%2583%25D0%25BC [03:22:50] Translates some of it. [03:23:41] but only the first sections are translated for me [03:23:47] :/ [03:23:53] not the section i need [03:24:23] (yes i can copy the text into google textfield) [03:26:03] Merlissimo: http://i.imgur.com/0DWu5.png [03:27:10] thx [03:27:18] You're welcome [03:28:19] Anyone familiar with importing using EXML files? [03:28:54] EXML? [03:28:59] XML* [03:29:20] Riley: I've done it before, so yes [03:29:37] Requires the importupload right, if that's your problem. [03:29:40] * Merlissimo is importer on dewiki [03:30:00] Ah.. I was wondering why http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Import didn't have the option, now I know why.. [03:30:25] Riley: Importers have the right [03:30:43] Admins should have it :/ [03:31:07] And admins can't add importers it seems :| [03:31:44] Me is tempted to ping a b'crat because they can. [03:32:04] Riley: no because you could import wrong content [03:32:25] * Jasper_Deng wants to be a 'crat [03:32:38] user having importupload right should be really trustful [03:32:42] Wrong content can be deleted, templates shouldn't be deleted because they can't be imported. [03:33:01] Merlissimo: I'm trustful on enwiki :p [03:33:48] Riley: but not all admins on every wiki are trustful [03:34:08] true [03:34:22] I never said they are :) [03:36:26] If templates cannot be added to the wiki (copied from enwiki) without having a full history then we have to have the right. [03:37:05] I'm not saying every admin should have it but I strongly think trusted administrators should. [03:37:48] Besides, they can do much more damage with their current tools than they could with the importer right. (maybe not as fast as an importer though). [03:38:16] Riley: They can't [03:38:30] Hazard-SJ: Who cannot? :) [03:39:26] Riley: Crats can't add the right [03:39:36] They can't? Hm. [03:39:57] If I may ask, where did you read that? [03:40:04] stewards can [03:40:17] Eh okay. [03:40:25] Riley: why not adding enwiki as import source? [03:40:44] Merlissimo: I thought of that but I would think it is more work, no? [03:41:01] Or would that be a click of a few buttons? [03:41:34] Riley: sb. mumst write a patch for config files on gerrit [03:41:57] that's easy and many people love to create these kind of patches [03:42:18] a bug report isn't enough? [03:43:17] Yoohoo Jeblad_WMDE ^ [03:43:36] bug report, then sb. writes the patch, sb with shell access (like Re edy) merges the patch. Sometimes all three steps take only an hour or so. [03:44:31] I think we would need consensus first. [03:44:44] Riley: just create the bug. [03:45:21] perhaps with more big wikis as source like enwiki, dewiki, frwiki, eswiki [03:47:02] Merlissimo: Could you create the bug/ [03:48:55] Riley: exmaple: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41774 [03:49:08] Oka [03:49:20] its too late. i wanted just go to bed [03:49:33] I'll do it now that I have an example. [03:49:46] if not always done by you i'll create it tomorrow [03:49:59] Wait. [03:50:11] Which https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi one? [03:50:26] Wikimedia nvm. [03:50:29] Go sleep. [03:51:16] wikimedia/site requests [03:52:04] product: wikimedia / component:site requests [03:52:14] Got it already thanks. :) [03:53:18] n8 [03:53:49] Night [04:00:17] Merlissimo: Done [04:00:32] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42422 [04:01:50] And Sk!dbot is now flagged [04:02:09] Now BeneBot* [04:04:10] :) [04:08:19] i hear you'd like import sources [04:08:35] Yes please. [04:08:40] was there onwiki discussion? [04:08:45] none [04:08:56] No. [04:09:43] and presumably europe is asleep... [04:09:55] And Hazard-Bot :D [04:10:01] jeremyb: Would you like me to start an onwiki discussion? [04:10:14] Riley: probably... can't hurt anyway [04:12:31] On it. [04:12:36] currently it's set to just meta [04:12:56] Yes, aware. [04:13:03] * jeremyb just checked the config [04:13:09] i'm not a sysop there so i didn't know [04:13:22] Oh, right. [04:13:36] what did i miss? [04:13:50] Theopolisme: there's this new wiki called wikidata! [04:13:56] Really? :O [04:13:58] ....yeah, thanks. [04:14:02] any time [04:14:04] ;) [04:14:08] heh. [04:14:29] seriously, though—what might chy'all be discussing? [04:14:38] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42422 [04:14:54] !b 42422 [04:14:57] !b [04:15:07] Ah, great [04:15:09] * Riley snickers [04:15:17] Yeah, just having meta was quite annoying [04:15:22] !b is https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/$1 [04:15:22] Key was added [04:15:27] !b 42422 [04:15:27] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42422 [04:15:46] is* not was [04:16:22] Hazard-SJ: you're welcome [04:18:00] Sven_Manguard: Thanks [04:18:15] that's not what I was looking for, but I'll take it [04:18:22] I'm just glad that you're so exicted [04:18:43] Sven_Manguard: Isn't this re the bot request? [04:18:50] mhmm [04:18:58] "And Hazard-Bot :D [04:19:01] " [04:19:33] Riley: in bugzilla comments you should just say "bug DDDDD". not give the full URL [04:19:46] (without the quotes) [04:19:49] Ah, thanks. First bug filed [04:19:58] Merlissimo: You bot is doing 1 edit every 9 seconds? [04:21:20] Hazard-SJ: well below even the ENWP limit [04:21:42] mm... [04:22:23] Sven_Manguard: What is ENWP limit? [04:22:36] * Riley should know this as a bot operator. [04:22:52] Riley: on ENWP you really can't edit more than once every 5 seconds [04:23:03] although that's really taken to be 12 edits a minute [04:23:08] ClueBot is the exception [04:23:15] Okay. [04:24:02] This is because of server lag, I believe [04:24:25] server kittens dying in heaps would be bad [04:24:40] where are the litter boxen? [04:25:36] Tampa? [04:27:18] * Hazard-SJ can't keep up with MerlIwBot :( [04:28:38] jeremyb: [[Wikidata:Project_chat#Import_sources]] [04:28:38] 10[4] 10https://wikidata.wikidata.org/wiki/Project_chat%23Import_sources [04:29:14] Riley: Don't you think we need our own bot for linking? [04:29:21] Fail; correct link http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Import_sources [04:29:27] Hazard-SJ: Yes. [04:29:33] * Hazard-SJ tries to remember some things [04:29:55] If I remember right, Toolserver doesn't allow IRC bots, with the exception of CVN? [04:30:19] * Riley doesn't know. [04:30:20] What about Labs? I'd have to check, I don't quite remember :/ [04:33:35] * Riley is starting to love this project. [04:34:06] * Hazard-SJ saw nothing for the IRC bots [04:34:20] * Hazard-SJ goes to IRC channels to ask [04:34:27] * Hazard-SJ closes some tabs first [04:34:48] * Riley wonders why Hazard-SJ feels the need to tell us ;) [04:35:14] :P [04:37:23] Hazard-SJ: labs is game for anything, IIRC [04:44:35] The article for "Irish National Stud", a horse breeding facility, is in three languages. Anyone want to guess which they are? [04:44:50] Irish? [04:45:06] EN [04:45:16] ja [04:45:27] Riley, did you cheat? [04:45:32] why Japanese? [04:45:43] and no, it's en, de, ja [04:45:45] Because it has a japanese theme. [04:45:50] really? [04:45:53] erm... [04:46:09] Like a japanese garden and teahouse. [04:46:26] you looked at the article [04:46:28] cheater [04:46:31] Hehe. [04:48:55] Was I right on why it is on jawiki ? [04:50:39] Any coders around? [04:53:11] * Riley wants enumItems.js to show up in his toolbox [04:53:30] no idea Riley, I can't read ja [04:53:38] Oh okay. [04:57:07] Ha found it p-tb [04:57:20] Riley: Greek shipping, it's a primer on the Greek tradition of aquatic shipping [04:57:24] three languages [04:57:27] one is english [04:57:35] guess the other two :D [04:57:55] uk and ru [04:58:04] * Riley loves rc [04:58:16] Fine, no cheating [04:58:45] hello [04:58:51] it's en de ja [04:59:11] ps_home: You a coder? [04:59:32] what does coder mean? [04:59:38] I'm not a developer. [04:59:49] Someone who understands scripts [04:59:57] aka, someone to help riley cheat [04:59:58] Riley: What language? [05:00:08] i see [05:00:15] Hazard-SJ: What? [05:00:22] Programming language [05:00:25] You poor soul [05:00:32] .js oh [05:00:38] javascript? [05:00:43] you mean javascript? [05:01:03] no, not at all. Theres no way it could be that because ".js" has nothing to do with javascript. [05:01:14] Dur, abbreviation [05:01:17] i had some experiences in coding and japanese native. [05:01:57] I have to leave now, but if you need help for japanese-related, pls. leave a message. [05:02:00] ps_home: ohio! [05:02:07] I'll take a look later. thanks. [05:02:41] Riley: .js has EVERYTHING to do with javascript [05:02:53] Sarcasm.... [05:03:05] grrr [05:03:09] I hate sarcasm so much. [05:03:12] I would love anyone who could get MediaWiki:Gadget-autoEdit.js to show up in the toolbox (p-tb) instead of p-views (would be in a userscript though, not gadgets) [05:03:35] MediaWiki:Gadget-enumItems.js* [05:05:56] Riley: Maybe change p-views to p-tb in the code then? [05:06:15] I think its more than that. [05:06:37] :/ [05:07:02] i'm working on something, one sec [05:08:33] Riley: It works for me [05:08:51] heh [05:10:09] Not for me... [05:10:39] There yay [05:10:50] Was something in my common.js screwing it up [05:11:09] fail. [05:11:51] Hey, least I was able to figure out what p-tb was [05:12:04] ^ Thats a pretty big achievement for me. [05:13:03] Riley: :P [05:14:44] don't mind me, Hazard-SJ http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AHazard-Bot&diff=577269&oldid=314626 [05:15:02] Just thought i could drop that in so, if someone clicks on the bot in recent changes, that pops up [05:15:15] :D [05:15:52] [[User:Hazard-Bot]] http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?diff=577269&oldid=314626&rcid=574976 * Theopolisme * (+83) link [05:16:11] hha [05:16:33] I keep flipping back and forth between en and wd [05:16:40] Hazard-SJ: how long until you build your own interwiki import bot? [05:17:08] Sven_Manguard: I haven't been considering it [05:17:16] Why waste time with that when others already have? [05:17:23] :) well not waste time, but you know what i mean [05:17:28] :d [05:17:30] :D [05:17:46] because one bot running at 30 edits a minute will take over a year to get it all in [05:18:01] :) so just have them run 100 instances of it [05:18:21] no, we want to have the bots have throttles [05:18:24] no reason to waste time writing different code.. [05:18:29] in case one goes haywire [05:18:35] just have them distribute the code then. [05:18:51] I'd run a copy through Svenbot [05:19:00] I'm good at running other people's bots [05:19:17] I even have a labs account I have no idea how to use [05:19:19] Haha, aren't we all [05:19:37] So do I--I need to migrate my junk from the toolserver to it, just havent gotten around to [05:20:46] Theopolisme: Want to help me to get [X] Labels ([[MediaWiki:Gadget-autoEdit.js]]) into the toolback? [05:20:46] 10[6] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget%2DautoEdit%2Ejs [05:20:58] Just do the same thing, buddy [05:21:04] This is a good exercise for you [05:21:07] Riley: is there any way to get it so that when I highlight the title of an entry I don't get the "jump to: navigation, search" [05:21:49] Where are you getting that? [05:22:26] Theopolisme: I can't just make it p-tb, not the same. [05:22:37] Why not? [05:22:47] Just make a portlet link in the tb [05:23:31] do we have a Jamaican Wikipedia? [05:24:32] Theopolisme: Hm. Okay going to try with warning-autocheck [05:24:37] sure [05:25:26] Ha -.- [05:25:49] I'm on the right path... [05:28:57] Theopolisme: Help me [05:30:44] Riley: the search is useless still, what's up with that? [05:31:03] * Riley wishes he could fix it >:( [05:31:31] who can? this needs to be a priority [05:32:34] File a bug? [05:32:43] I did a search for Boston and got "There were no results matching the query." [05:33:06] same with Universe, which IIRC is Q1 [05:34:00] I'm going to file a bug. [05:36:00] thanks [05:36:04] I dislike bugzilla [05:40:56] !b 42424 [05:40:56] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42424 [05:41:39] SD [05:41:46] Sven_Manguard: ^* [05:41:56] thanks [05:43:38] No problem.