[00:02:50] your unique check for label/description causes some problem for existing conlficts [00:03:10] i cannot change desc for http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q318363?uselang=de because of an conflict at en [00:03:16] DanielK_WMDE: ^^ [00:04:39] Merlissimo: please file a bug. [00:05:04] that restriction is probably going to be dropped. but it would still be useful to understand the issue exactly. [00:05:47] my bot is listing those item on http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Labels_and_descriptions_task_force/en#ItemDisambiguation_conflict , but not for every language atm [00:11:26] DanielK_WMDE: done https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42754 [02:45:25] Good .. eh .. night? [02:45:42] Its in the middle of the night here [02:46:07] 03:45 Berlin time.. [03:57:47] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "(Bug 42762) Corrected the message key of wbeditentity" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37184 [06:47:08] Hey, how do i start a voting for TA [06:55:22] translation admin? [10:11:30] DanielK_WMDE: poke [10:26:38] Abraham_WMDE: whut? [10:27:10] DanielK_WMDE: happy nikolaus [10:27:17] ;) [10:27:23] :P [10:28:05] thanks. i hope your boots were as full as mine this morning! [10:28:53] do we have an item for "nikolaus" :-D [10:37:05] Abraham_WMDE: solange wir nicht wichteln müssen... [10:38:43] PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function getEntity() on a non-object in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.21wmf5/extensions/Wikibase/repo/includes/actions/HistoryEntityAction.php on line 38 [10:39:40] JeroenDeDauw: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/317402 [10:40:38] JeroenDeDauw: i suppose that means it's ok to use addQuotes() on numbers. Though I still think there should be a second method with a more appropriate name, because "quotes are fine for numbers" may not be true for all database systems. [10:43:15] MaxSem: can you get us a stack trace? [10:43:34] I can't [10:43:45] .oO(wtf is HistoryEntityAction?) [10:43:57] I can add some debugging code though [10:44:00] Reedy: can you get us a stack trace for that error? [10:44:20] DanielK_WMDE, nobody of your team has shell access? [10:44:39] MaxSem: no. [10:44:59] i suppose it's time to ask for that though [10:45:03] especially for debugging [10:45:21] anyway, I've gotta go [10:45:45] o_O [10:45:47] wtf [10:48:31] ha. [10:48:32] boom [10:48:40] can reproduce, fixing [10:51:33] New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(bug 42761) make PHPUnit test aware of empty sitelinks" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37203 [10:55:27] Jeblad_WMDE: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/37203/ [10:55:47] this should fail for you, can you check? [11:09:03] New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "(minor fix) Avoid error for history of missing page." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37206 [11:09:56] MaxSem: fixed in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/37206/ [11:10:16] hm, should put this on bugzilla [11:12:23] New review: Jens Ohlig; "Dankon! Tio estas grava ŝanĝo." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37011 [11:12:23] Change merged: Jens Ohlig; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37011 [11:13:40] New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "(bug 42768) Avoid error for history of missing page." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37206 [11:14:49] hi, I will be tweaking Jenkins this afternoon so it starts repairing PHP lint + jshint results on Wikibase [11:15:07] then will try to get it actually able to load the extensionn with proper settings and install the DB :) [11:20:50] hashar: wirth separate jobs for client and repo setup? [11:20:57] i don't think that can/should be done on the same DB... [11:21:16] DanielK_WMDE: still have to look at the mail / bug notify I received [11:21:32] DanielK_WMDE: but yeah that would be the idea, get a generic linting job [11:21:41] then one for client and one for repo [11:28:21] Abraham_WMDE: is john there? [11:28:59] noper [11:29:01] nope [11:31:27] DanielK_WMDE: not at the office yet [11:48:15] Change merged: Daniel Kinzler; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37203 [12:09:17] Abraham_WMDE: please put the following items on the board, with my head on them: #42761 (doing), #42769 (feedback), #42769 (doing). [12:09:38] hi Denny_WMDE! please have a look at the mail i just sent to the internal list about preparing the client [12:10:37] DanielK_WMDE: thx [12:12:03] checked [12:12:59] DanielK_WMDE, cheers [12:20:12] is #42769 in feedback or in doing? and you probably missed one [12:20:51] DanielK_WMDE: ^ [12:34:46] Denny_WMDE: the example was modified. can you add a german label to http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q398804?uselang=de ? [12:35:00] e.g. "Derivation" [12:36:09] ok, got it, thanks [12:38:31] just an idea for the language selector: what about urls like http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q398804/de showing german ? [12:39:21] because subdomain is not requestable bei ui [12:39:31] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q398804?uselang=de does that [12:39:40] what's the advantage of /de doing that too? [12:39:53] yes, but i cannot create inline links [12:40:21] Merlissimo: this was all discussed in length. putting the language into the url has two big problems: all links in the html output must be re-written, and all 500 or so possible urls for a given page must be purged every time the page changes. [12:40:23] not good... [12:40:26] then i could simply use [[d:Q398804/de]] on all wikipedias [12:40:27] 10[2] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Discusi%C3%B3n:Q398804/de [12:40:49] Merlissimo: there's a long thread on wikitech about it (if not more), and a bugzilla ticket with some details [12:53:32] aude: is bug 42478 still valid? [12:55:01] aude: also, bug 42474 is only relevant when running outside of wmf cluster right? [12:57:10] 42478 we'll probably see on jenkins but not a huge priority [12:57:51] 42474: we have the config setting [12:58:23] it should be a separate item to make things work outside of the cluster [12:59:26] Denny_WMDE: ^ [13:02:57] ok. so 42474 is *that* separate item? [13:17:19] DanielK_WMDE: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42159 is closed, is it? [13:17:46] 13:17, 6 December 2012‎ Reedy (Talk | contribs | block)‎ . . (77,426 bytes) (+52,329)‎ . . (updated muchly) [13:17:53] https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki_1.21%2Fwmf5&diff=613786&oldid=613638 [13:17:54] Lol. [13:19:51] lots of work [13:23:08] "What changed? Stuff" [13:25:11] Denny_WMDE: no. this bug asks for anons to be able to *explicitly* set their language, in which caching should be disabled using the appropriate headers. [13:25:23] currently, we just force anons to use english. that's not the same [13:29:29] ok [13:35:18] Denny_WMDE: i have a pretty long list of todos i need to put into bugzilla. [13:35:37] some of them should go into the next sprint... i guess i'm a bit late, i'll try to do the urgent ones first. [13:35:53] you still have half an hour :) [13:36:00] i am going through the list myself right now [13:36:09] DanielK_WMDE: ^ [13:41:44] half an hour is not a lot to file 10 bugs [13:44:46] is wbeditenity auto summary now en only or is only localisation missing? [13:45:08] Danwe_WMDE: is this still open: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40950 [13:45:09] ? [13:45:25] wbeditentity auto summary should not be en only [13:45:27] looking [13:45:38] http://wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/MerlIwBot?uselang=de [13:45:46] "Created a new item: " [13:46:18] Denny_WMDE: Had to ask Henning, he did something with the used widgets, but I think he is still changing stuff to use the jQuery.suggester widget. [13:47:51] i thought it was possible, that why im asking [13:47:51] Denny_WMDE: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41347 and https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41345 would be good ot do [13:47:51] ok [13:48:00] aude: thanks [13:48:08] * aude sure Merlissimo would appreciate if we get those done [13:48:53] @aude +1 [13:54:48] DanielK_WMDE: aude is this still open? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40406&list_id=1649986 [13:55:14] Denny_WMDE: DanielK_WMDE i am working on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42780 [13:55:33] important before HU-WP deployment [13:55:48] Denny_WMDE: no, that was fixed. don't ask me for the commit id though :) [13:55:54] and determine how exactly we will run pollforchanges [13:55:57] for test2wiki [13:56:04] aude: yea, true [13:56:08] what interval or continuously as a daemon [13:56:22] the pruning interval and make sure it's enough, etc. [13:56:36] and what to do in case, pollforchanges has to be restarted [13:57:14] (now that i am understanding a bit better how these types of scripts can be run in production) [13:59:10] Denny_WMDE: per DanielK_WMDE, yes changes table uses prefixed ids now [14:04:32] Denny_WMDE: #42777 is critical [14:04:50] the rest... well, just look over the 4 or so bugs i just filed [14:05:06] Denny_WMDE, Abraham_WMDE: do you want me in the spring planning via hangout? [14:05:30] ok, check out if this looks good everyone. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Development/Current_sprint [14:05:36] let's go to the sprint start [14:05:42] DanielK_WMDE: would be helpful (i'm not denny or abraham, though) [14:05:49] Abraham_WMDE: TRY TO GET DanielK_WMDE IN IF POSSIBLE [14:05:56] sorry, shiftcapsed [14:06:49] DanielK_WMDE: skype? [14:06:53] just invite me whenever [14:06:59] i hate skype :) [14:07:02] but yea, whatever [14:14:47] Denny_WMDE: sshould i open a bug for the wbeditentity localisation problem? [14:17:55] Merlissimo: is that the autocomment thing? [14:18:02] yes [14:18:48] system message for de is available http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllMessages&prefix=Wikibase-item-summary-wbeditentity&filter=all&lang=de&limit=500 [14:19:47] other auto summaries are ok : https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q399373&action=history [14:19:55] Hallo. [14:20:29] Now that interlanguage links storage is stabilizing, is anything clever planned for resolving interlanguage links conflicts? [14:20:55] Like, a very simple thing: Is there at least a big list of all the known conflicts? Or a plan to make one? [14:23:11] Merlissimo: ^ maybe you know? [14:23:34] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37206 [14:24:22] aharoni: there is a page collecting them [14:24:27] on wikidata.org [14:24:32] actually 2 [14:24:37] I think that I saw it, but it's manual. [14:24:43] People just find things and add them. [14:24:46] it has to be manual in the end [14:25:04] this can't be solved automatically [14:25:13] But you can create a list of all the conflicts. [14:25:30] I coded something like that in Perl a few years ago, although it probably needs updating. [14:25:40] And quite possible pywikipediabot can do it, too. [14:25:41] aharoni: i have such a list. [14:25:47] if anyone wants to code that please go ahead [14:25:54] must need to get is well formated [14:25:55] is it online anywhere [14:25:59] it's not going to be done by the dev team [14:26:11] that's OK :) [14:26:18] i plan to create report pages for every wiki [14:27:04] it should lists all missing articles with an additional comment if that because of an conflict [14:27:32] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "bug 42718 - add wb_entity_per_page to Wikibase.sql" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37217 [14:28:24] OK, and are there any thoughts about anything even smarter? Like some AI that tries to suggest resolutions to the conflicts? For example, by comparing categories? [14:30:19] my bot can automatically solve some few conflict. i think all others must be done by human. i don't think that category will help [14:31:11] i think it would be useful to inlcude commons and species when solving conflicts at the same time. so maybe we should wait until more sites are possible on wikidata. [14:32:07] for incubator my bot uses a completle different algorithm that solves all conflicts automatically [14:51:05] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Use EditEntity in removeclaims and added token requirement" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37220 [14:52:20] aharoni: I know a few people at google who did some quite smart stuff [14:52:27] there is also some research on that [14:52:29] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37184 [14:52:39] i guess we will see these being integrated during the next year [14:52:48] great. [14:53:32] this is just a private guess, though :) [14:53:42] i have not talked to any of these people in specific about it [14:56:42] why does Special:EntitiesWithoutLabel contains entities with labels? is they cached? [14:57:14] ah , soory [14:57:21] depends on the language i think [14:58:24] fallback [15:12:29] * Silke_WMDE is working on the demo system [15:12:51] we shouldnt be doing fallbacks...? [15:18:40] Denny_WMDE: i was only confused to see labeled items on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntitiesWithoutLabel?language=de [15:19:20] hmm indeed [15:20:01] by it shows en label and de labels are missing [15:21:44] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added DMS and DM tests for coordinate parser" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37222 [15:29:33] it is using the same fallback as messages [15:33:19] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37055 [15:35:12] someone please poke me when svenmanguard shows up [15:39:21] DanielK_WMDE: Did you recreate your sites table? [15:41:28] Jeblad_WMDE: locally? yes. [15:41:30] at some point. [15:42:13] Seems like site_type is "unknown" of some reason [15:42:17] Jeblad_WMDE: but we didn't pick that ticket up for this sprint, right? so i removed it from my todo list. [15:42:21] Should be an integer [15:42:46] an integer? sure? I'm pretty sure the type is a string [15:42:51] at least, in the database, it's a string [15:42:58] maybe that is mis-documented somewhere [15:43:03] used to be an int, i think [15:43:09] DanielK_WMDE: what do you think - is there a point of deploying on Monday again? [15:43:18] protected static function getClassForType( $siteType ) { [15:43:27] * @param integer $siteType [15:43:41] SitesTable.php, line 110-ish [15:43:47] Jeblad_WMDE: my guess is that the documentation is outdated. ask jeroen [15:43:53] anyway - i try not to get hung up on this, since we didn't pick this up [15:44:32] Denny_WMDE: not much. but we should try to get the client site going by monday. or on monday. [15:45:17] yes, agree with that [15:45:30] but no need to deploy a new version i guess [15:45:36] Denny_WMDE: there are some fixed that should be backported and deployed, but that kind of thing doesn't need a deployment window [15:45:49] we just do it on the branch [15:46:06] Denny_WMDE: 42768 for instance [15:46:12] hmm, i am not sure there is anything that needs to be deployed so urgently... [15:46:56] JeroenDeDauw: when merging stuff into master, please mark the respective bug as fixed (if that patch actually fixes the bug) [15:47:30] we could try a test run. [15:47:40] of the process [15:47:59] tag today, test, have it up for deployment on monday [15:48:05] Denny_WMDE: i like that! +1 [15:48:08] be deployed without any issues or problems [15:48:25] (cause we haven't actually changed much) [15:48:54] AnjaJ_WMDE: what do you think? [15:50:27] sure, we should do that [15:52:56] DanielK_WMDE: all: the procedure says, take Wednesday's tag and use this as the basis for the deployment [15:53:14] and that has been already tested [15:53:17] was there anything that has been done *since* yesterdays tag that *has* to be backported [15:53:36] and that shouldn't wait one cycle [15:54:12] in the future our sprints, the tagging etc will be better aligned [15:54:21] sprint ends [15:54:26] we tag on wednesday [15:54:33] we deploy the following monday [15:54:59] then one wednesday later, we tag again [15:55:04] hmm [15:55:20] that doesnt allow for much time for external reviews [15:55:30] i will try to write it down [15:55:39] Denny_WMDE: wouold be nice to have a branch with only the verified stuff in it... [15:56:01] yeah [15:56:04] not gonna happen [15:56:39] Denny_WMDE: then at least decide at demo time which stuff goes from experimental to standard. then do that, then tag again. [15:56:44] that's the tag we want to deploy [15:56:56] that sounds good [15:57:03] yes [16:02:02] New patchset: Aude; "(no bug) give the client an batch of changes to handle" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37226 [16:02:49] DanielK_WMDE: aude: if we take yesterdays tag [16:02:51] and deploy that [16:02:56] would we break something [16:03:06] i.e. did we backport anything in last weeks branch [16:03:13] the one deployed yesterday [16:03:23] that isnt there in yesterday's tagged version? [16:03:42] Denny_WMDE: should be ok [16:04:21] no db change needed? :) [16:05:52] New patchset: Aude; "(bug 42780) additional checks upon saving a recent change entry" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37227 [16:06:02] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Use EditEntity in removeclaims and added token requirement" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37220 [16:06:20] Denny_WMDE: no [16:06:34] would be nice to get https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/37227/ in [16:06:36] good [16:07:05] not super elegant yet but would help to prevent duplicate entries in recent changes [16:07:17] i'd like to try to get through the process [16:07:19] DanielK_WMDE: ^ if you can review, that would be great [16:07:25] Denny_WMDE: ok [16:07:31] i would prefer to actually use yesterdays tag [16:07:38] ok [16:07:45] or else not deploy at all on monday [16:07:54] if we're doing just test2wiki, then ok [16:07:58] it will be in in the following deployment [16:08:01] looks like [16:17:57] DanielK_WMDE: ping me when you have 5 minutes time [16:30:03] New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "(bug 42769) No entity data in EntityChange objects." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37232 [16:31:41] Denny_WMDE: now? [16:31:46] ok [16:31:57] re http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Schema_changes [16:32:02] "to be scheduled" [16:32:07] row wikidatawiki [16:32:18] i think this is *not* the change we want to have [16:32:27] Reedy added it here [16:32:47] terms_search_key is not even a table [16:32:48] but we rather want the change that actually adds a unique column, to this and that other table [16:32:51] it should be wb_terms [16:33:02] alter table /*_*/wb_terms add column term_search_key VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL; [16:33:02] alter table /*_*/wb_terms add index /*i*/wb_terms_search_key (term_search_key); [16:33:06] this is the change linked [16:33:11] but we also want the new index on wb_items_per_site [16:33:20] yes, we do want that [16:33:27] plus wb_items_per_site [16:33:37] for terms, this means we have to truncate, modify, then rebuild [16:33:54] we should make sure that *this* rebuild script also works [16:34:10] but to be clear: we want that, but we don't need it for the cleint to work [16:34:22] i understand that [16:34:24] this is just a the-sooner-the-better thing [16:34:36] but does this already add the unique field that we need? [16:34:42] for wb_terms? [16:34:59] i thought it only adds a normalized key [16:35:01] for search [16:35:07] and builds an index on it [16:35:18] it does not add a key [16:36:02] if we make this change we are no better off than before [16:36:33] err. [16:36:48] if we need to modify that table in ANY way, we need to truncate and rebuild. [16:36:56] and if we do that anyway, we should add the row id column [16:37:10] (please don't call it "a key", but case "a key" is the same thing as "an index") [16:37:45] i'm trying to find my row-id commit on gerrit... where did it go? [16:38:30] so, basically: add two columns in wb_term and one in wb_items_per_site [16:38:51] wb_terms needs to be truncated and rebuild [16:39:09] possibly, the same is needed for wb_items_per_site.... [16:39:23] hm, that would suck. we have a strong constraint on that. so we would have to go read-only during rebuild [16:39:32] that table is big. [16:39:47] so, the question is... do we want to do that now? [16:40:02] it is a the-sooner-the-better thing [16:40:06] but no need to do it now [16:40:09] indeed :) [16:40:21] but i'd like to hear what asher and/or ready have to say about it [16:40:34] asher agreed with your changeset [16:40:53] great. but did he also comment on how to do the schema change? [16:40:57] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/36780/ [16:40:57] that's the important question here... [16:41:13] no. that is why i put it on the agenda for tongiht [16:41:18] *tonight [16:41:33] but one way or the other, http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Schema_changes is wrong [16:42:00] yes [16:42:12] well. incomplete [16:42:20] and mislabeled [16:42:26] would you mind to fix? [16:42:30] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/36780/2/repo/includes/store/sql/AddRowIDs.sql [16:42:38] that's what should be added too, i guess [16:43:47] Denny_WMDE: i don't think i have access there [16:43:51] probably shouldn't, either [16:44:33] Denny_WMDE: no, I can't edit there [16:44:43] ok, then we should make sure Reedy knows that [16:44:46] Reedy: ping [16:53:36] i sent an email [17:01:48] DanielK_WMDE: joining the call? [17:02:06] DanielK_WMDE: poke [17:02:09] oops, so late already. [17:02:11] ok [17:17:00] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Change implementation of ParserOptions" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37239 [17:20:11] OK. Editing in test-repo is working again. (cc Jeblad_WMDE) [17:23:04] * Jeblad_WMDE thinks Silke is damn clever [17:27:23] New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(bug 42770) use js wb.Api for labels,description,aliases,sitelinks" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37240 [17:35:57] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Get rid of global state in ValueParserFactory" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37242 [17:46:04] New review: Platonides; "I don't think it's a good idea to have a ParserOptions class in this extension." [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37239 [17:48:57] aude: would you look at the rebuild script? one thing i'm worries about is that it may not be able to gracefully resume ofter it crashed. [17:49:06] i'll probably not have time right now to really look into this [17:58:19] New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "(minor) assue re-caching works for sites table." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37245 [18:03:58] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "That's a valid concern but not related to this commit, since the name was not introduced here." [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37239 [18:04:18] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added tests for ParserOptions" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37246 [18:04:36] DanielK_WMDE: please to has review of the ValueParser commits I just made? [18:05:09] DanielK_WMDE: you wanted to have a look at that stuff anywayz :) [18:09:02] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Change implementation of ParserOptions" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37239 [18:09:14] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Get rid of global state in ValueParserFactory" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37242 [18:09:19] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added tests for ParserOptions" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37246 [18:10:08] DanielK_WMDE: i can look at the script in ~1/2 hour but can't be online and coding all evening [18:16:20] DanielK_WMDE: poke [18:26:45] * JeroenDeDauw throws something at DanielK_WMDE [18:26:58] * JeroenDeDauw also denies he's impatient [18:50:48] JeroenDeDauw: cooking dinner, then putting the kids to bed [18:51:03] i have been meaning to do reviews for weeks now. [18:51:07] DanielK_WMDE: ffs, get your priorities right already [18:51:11] i hardly ewver get around to it [18:51:13] i'll try tomorrow [18:51:14] * JeroenDeDauw hides [18:51:18] :P [18:51:32] * JeroenDeDauw throws another stuffs at DanielK_WMDE from his hiding place [19:04:39] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Stuff last rev id into pageinfo rather then the serialized data model element, as per mainlinglist discussion" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37252 [19:11:43] Lydia_WMDE: Wikidata is showing up in that analysis as a project doing very well [19:11:56] Since the bugs are assigned to WIkidata bugs [19:12:06] Not to nobody [19:24:16] JeroenDeDauw: i know :) [19:24:33] but Quim is still complaining no? [19:24:36] that's silly [19:24:50] Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37252 [19:34:47] Bit delayed, but I'm here now... [19:40:43] DanielK_WMDE: What's up with regards to the schema changes? [19:42:29] Reedy: schema changes are not on the agenda today. waiting for feedback from asher. ^demon is running a rebuild script and will do some config stuff and cron jobs later. [19:42:40] looks like we can get the test2 client going by tomorrow [19:44:54] Awesome [19:46:12] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added group" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37257 [19:46:20] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37257 [20:50:38] Is someone admin on wikidata-test-client.wikimedia.de? If so, could you check https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42792 - this concerns an IP block. [21:13:12] bye [21:25:51] PHP Catchable fatal error: Argument 1 passed to Wikibase\EntityContentFactory::getTitleForId() must be an instance of Wikibase\EntityId, null given, called in [21:25:51] /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.21wmf5/extensions/Wikibase/repo/includes/api/ApiModifyEntity.php on line 65 and defined in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.21w [21:25:51] mf5/extensions/Wikibase/repo/includes/content/EntityContentFactory.php on line 140 [21:25:57] Was that one from earlier? [21:26:42] Nope, to bugzilla! [21:28:36] No stack trace either [21:28:36] grr [21:31:29] hrm [21:32:08] Looks like there's only that one and then "Call to a member function getEntity() on a non-object" from earlier [21:32:52] ugh [21:33:02] nothing on test2? [21:33:15] Seemingly not [21:33:46] ok [21:34:10] * aude confused why links don't show up there now, but can look at it more tomorrow [21:34:16] Which is good, I guess ;) [21:34:18] Oh :/ [21:34:38] From next week, are we deploying Wikidata extensions from master? [21:34:58] no errors is good on test2 [21:35:37] no links is not great but could be we just forgot something [22:16:39] Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37240 [22:28:24] * multichill pokes DanielK_WMDE to join #wikilovesmonuments [22:29:00] Your presence is requested! ;-) [22:34:57] Hello. [22:35:03] How do I edit a Special page? [22:35:26] In this case http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:CreateItem [22:36:01] Through checking out the code and uploading a patch [22:36:08] Oh. Foo [22:36:12] Can you do that for me? [22:36:18] eh.. [22:36:28] What do you want to change? [22:36:36] There is a consensus to link to the Help page for descriptions (Help:Description) somewhere on that page. I'd think that we should also link to Help:Label while we're at it [22:37:03] Not sure how it would work for something that's language neutral [22:37:24] Don't remember whats in there of system messages, but you could change them [22:37:26] If you want to change messages you can do locally ont eh wiki [22:37:39] Reedy: how? [22:37:39] Though, getting them into the code base is usually bettererr [22:37:54] Vist MediaWiki:wikibase-some-message-you-want-to-change [22:38:10] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:CreateItem?uselang=qqx [22:38:15] (createitem-summary) [22:38:15] (createitem-summary) [22:38:19] Why is there 2 of them? :/ [22:40:07] to bugzilla! [22:42:11] Mediawiki:wikibase-createitem-intro [22:42:18] Try that page [22:42:30] [[Mediawiki:wikibase-createitem-intro]] [22:42:31] 10[3] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Mediawiki:wikibase%2Dcreateitem%2Dintro [22:43:57] You can also use [[Mediawiki:wikibase-createentity-label]] and [[Mediawiki:wikibase-createentity-description]] [22:43:57] 10[4] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Mediawiki:wikibase%2Dcreateentity%2Dlabel13 => [22:43:59] 10[5] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Mediawiki:wikibase%2Dcreateentity%2Ddescription [22:45:06] Seems like the intro msg isn't used anymore [22:46:05] Commented out.. [22:47:05] If the community wants to have help text they should agree on how to do it.. But I think linking on the labels for the entry fields are acceptable.. [22:47:15] Oh no, that will mess with focus.. [22:48:15] labels sets focus and can change behavior unexpectedly, this happens for example with links in the gadget setup page [22:48:24] Lydia_WMDE: Sven_Manguard is here [22:49:20] Lydia_WMDE: did you want me? [22:50:01] [15:35:12] someone please poke me when svenmanguard shows up [22:51:19] 15:35:12? What time is it for you now Merlissimo [22:51:47] New review: Daniel Werner; "I like the new approach. Documentation could be a little more extensive." [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master); V: 0 C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37239 [22:51:59] Sven_Manguard: i changed it to utc before copying [22:52:13] what time is it in UTC right now? [22:52:38] 22:52 [22:52:52] so seven+ hours ago [22:53:03] when's the last time Lydia_WMDE spoke in this channel [22:53:04] midnight at Lydia time [22:53:23] Merlissimo: thx! [22:53:40] Hello Lydia_WMDE, what's up? [22:53:42] Sven_Manguard: sorry i wanted something from you but i forgot what :( [22:53:58] Tis okay [22:54:14] I'll go back to creating policy :D [22:54:23] hehe [22:54:29] and i will go to bed [22:54:33] night [22:54:34] night peeps [22:55:37] Lydia_WMDE: did you read how many character i typed because of your request. task your memory! [22:56:13] ;-) [23:28:13] New review: Platonides; "Yes, it's a general concern. I mentioned it here simply because it's where I spotted it (in fact, I ..." [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37239 [23:31:24] New patchset: Aude; "fix typo" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37337 [23:32:18] Sven_Manguard: but an interesting question i noticed by or comparison of time. If i read a news paper article that s.b. dies yesterday. (today= dec 7th). what information should i add to wikidata as property? [23:32:35] death date [23:32:42] in this case i would choose time zone at place of death [23:33:18] but what about international events? [23:33:40] So if John Doe died on December 5, 2012, we'd go to John Doe's Wikidata page and have, for the field "death date" the data "December 5, 2012" and the newspaper as the source [23:33:51] for events, we'd go to the event's Wikidata page, do the same thing [23:33:56] yesterday was dec 6th [23:35:07] for me, today is December 6 [23:35:12] at 6:30 PM [23:35:52] for you, but not for me [23:36:31] well if he dies in Tokyo, we're going to use the time he died in Tokyo [23:36:43] ideally we'd use local time and specify local time [23:36:49] wait no [23:36:55] ideally we'd use UTC [23:37:03] but would specify place of death in another field [23:37:37] bot people who dies you won't know the time in most cases, so you cannot convert to utc time [23:41:43] i think always we should always local time [23:41:55] okay [23:41:58] it's only getting complicated in space [23:42:13] but for these event exact time in kown [23:42:26] but if we have local time at the place of death and we also have the place of death, we can use UTC [23:42:38] but I do think that it is a mess [23:42:46] We could, well, give both [23:42:50] how to convert a local date to utc? [23:43:07] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37337 [23:43:35] you can only convert datetimes values [23:44:52] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fixed doc" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37340 [23:45:59] JeroenDeDauw: do you have though about this date time zone problem? [23:46:23] Merlissimo: no