[02:04:33] good night [02:04:50] good night lukas23 [06:34:50] Could anyone link me to discussions on capitalizing the description and title? [08:02:31] geraki: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Inclusion_syntax_v0.2 [10:05:03] what's y'all's policy on templates for userspace? [10:13:12] Franco|Andro what templates do you mean [10:14:02] wanted to add userboxes showing the basics of my profile on enwiki - probably just my hats [10:15:17] Lots of users do that already, go ahead. I was thinking of importing the topicons for use too [10:15:44] ahh okay. but i put in {{User wikipedia/Reviewer}} and it came up red [10:16:27] Yeah, just don't think anyone has created them yet [10:17:17] ahh. ok. that's what i was wondering about... is there a way to request import or something? [10:17:56] (oh, and speaking of requests, what am i supposed to do with this: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2037263 ?) [10:20:13] Moe_{droid} ^ [10:21:06] Taken care of, needless spam [10:22:16] i take it you don't have CSD? ;) [10:23:43] We have rfd which serves that purpose [10:24:15] oh, so you take spam/vandalism there too? [10:24:58] Yeah, there's not much of it happening though, its pretty rare thus far [10:26:08] cool. sounds like the wild old days of Wikipedia, when Jimbo did every block [10:27:27] We are progressing a lot quicker. Were about at 2004/05 in wikipedia years [10:27:29] you don't have a Geolocate option? [10:27:53] no, yeah, yeah, it all looks really cool, don't get me wrong :) just acquainting myself [10:28:17] Hmm, I don't think we do got geolocate yet [10:29:05] just because I wanted to see if that IP was a proxy spambot [10:30:51] Its not on special:contribitions? (On my tablet so I can't check) [10:32:12] the bottom-of-the-page options given are [10:32:14] Tor check • Google • rDNS • WHOIS • Cross wiki contributions and blocks • Global blocks • Traceroute [10:32:41] Hmm maybe its on a mediawiki page I can edit [10:32:49] if you want, I can pop over to #wikipedia-en and see if someone knows the proper mediawiki stuff [10:33:12] Sure that would help [10:33:28] I'll get back on my computet lol [10:33:48] [[MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer]] [10:34:05] Oh there we go [10:34:38] oh, actually it's wrong [10:36:03] Hmm [10:37:10] Its footer-anon I think [10:38:20] yes, it's right [10:39:19] Maybe we can import fmbox so we can fix the code [10:43:05] Actually we could manually type it in I suppose [11:16:19] Franco|Andro: added geolocate [11:16:59] ooh, I think I'm gonna like it here :) MediaWiki changes in half an hour upon request... [11:18:00] :p I would have done it quicker but I had a couple things irl to do [11:18:47] hahaha. as opposed to Wikipedia, where a proposal at VPT with unanimous support can die if no one edits it for more than a day [11:19:49] Lol well id do them but not an admin ;p [11:20:27] Btw whatsmyipaddress says confirmed proxy server [11:20:55] i suppose you can hardblock then, right? [11:23:32] I'll have to look into it, but it looks like I could [11:24:13] i mean, on Wikipedia I know that's policy... but it looks like over here most of the policy's all up in the air still [11:26:40] Yeah we don't have any hard and fast rules anywhere really except common sense and a couple guidelines [11:27:45] i like that :) [11:28:20] though you'll probably need a copyright policy pretty soon. i've noticed a few people just copying the ledes of articles as descriptions on items [11:30:24] Well leads of articles are permitted to be copied from Wikipedia per the licenses Wikipedia uses as long as we attribute it to where we got it [11:31:01] Desciptions aren't supposed to be sentences for the most part anyways [11:32:00] Berlin: capital city of Germany [11:35:20] yeah, but absent an edit summary feature, how would you give that attribution? [11:35:53] furthermore, Wikidata is CC0, not CC-BY-SA, right? [11:38:37] Yes, cc0. Attribution could take place on a talk page like Wikipedia does sometimes, but like I said, its mostly general descrptions like Berlin [11:39:23] Whole paragraphs should probably be reduced or removed completely [11:40:01] yeah, i get it. my point was just that that's an obvious mistake people will make, with potential legal implications, so I'd bet it'll be the first solid policy we have to get [11:40:27] Oh, yes, most likely [11:41:53] proxy check says it doesn't pass any the usual tests, so I'll leave it unblocked [11:46:14] Weird that a nigerian spam link would geolocate to california, but I know the nigerian scammers operate in a bunch of countries [11:49:08] hmm. maybe it's the Consulate or something ;) [11:51:38] :p [12:35:25] kind of a dumb question but what is the "Q" for in the wikidata urls? [12:38:30] q means item [12:38:39] edsu ^ [12:43:29] so why "q" instead of "i"? [12:44:00] or just a bare number [12:47:19] some discussion: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2012/11#What_is_.22Q.22.3F [12:50:54] ahh q = query? [12:51:17] oh wait, y = query? [12:51:21] * edsu is confused now :) [12:52:32] the letters make more sense in german i guess? [12:55:42] +1 for arkanosis question about whether a letter is needed at all [12:57:20] edsu: link? [13:00:55] it's at http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2012/11#What_is_.22Q.22.3F scan for "Do we really need a letter at all, actually?" [13:14:59] hi edsu [13:15:11] hi :) [13:15:13] q = an item in wikidata [13:15:22] we will have properties and queries, which get a different prefix [13:15:36] yes, i saw that :) just curious why they are needed at all [13:16:36] i guess it aids in routing the url to a database query? [13:17:05] if it was just a number you might have to query different underlying db tables? [13:18:33] then we'd have to store extra info in the database to determine type [13:18:48] * aude looks if we have this in an faq somewhere [13:18:56] i was also just curious if "Q" stood for an actual word [13:20:26] no, it's confusing :) [13:20:46] * aude thinks q could be for query, but not how it is [13:21:50] XML: the local part of a [13:21:50] QName must not start with a number, so we prefixed it with a letter. [13:21:57] that's what denny says [13:22:51] we use xml for exports, etc [13:23:39] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikidata-l/2012-July/000813.html [13:31:50] ahh, but that doesn't explain why it is "q" :) [13:32:17] i guess for qname eh? [13:33:02] i guess it doesn't explain why there needs to be more than "q" ... [13:33:13] idle thoughts for a sunday morning :) [13:33:35] it's awesome to see wikidata coming to life btw [13:33:40] because of the other entity types [13:33:43] the properties, etc. [13:34:05] they are all essentially the samebasic type with subtypes [13:34:20] item = a subtype [13:59:01] Hello, a message on Commons about collecting wikidata https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Creators_and_Wikidata [14:09:25] hello everybody :) [14:09:33] any Commons users here ? [14:31:24] hsarrazin: Commons could really make use of Wikidata as most of the terms we have are just lightweight references to other locations [14:31:45] Most creator templates already reference Wikipedia articles [14:32:48] multichill: yes, that's why I'd like to connect the 2 projects, through wikidata links in creators, to begin with (see Village pump) [14:33:17] A lot of galleries and categories already have links, you can use that too [20:57:04] Anyone that can sprellchrejck http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata%3AGlossary&diff=2811581&oldid=1193845 [20:57:34] * spell check :D [20:59:45] Should be added a note about types .. [21:00:05] Jeblad_WMDE: "An item can be viewed as the subject-part of a triplet in linked data." huh? [21:00:53] yeah.. "triplet" and "linked data" should be explained [21:01:20] Then we end up with a lot of additional stuff.. [21:02:25] "wetter the user is logged in, or if so if the user has provided information about his preferred languages." well :P [21:04:04] '''Title''' is the name of an internal or external page, or [[#Item|item]], [[#Property|property]] and [[#Query|querie]] page. [21:04:06] * query page [21:05:04] Looks ok despite those... but I doubt the average Wikipedia editor will get it [21:06:40] wetter? [21:06:44] whether [21:06:48] Rephrase [21:06:54] ? [21:07:29] * Jeblad_WMDE catches Reedy and gives him pencil and paper [21:08:23] [21:02:24] "wetter the user is logged in, or if so if the user has provided information about his preferred languages." well :P [21:08:27] ^ wetter [21:08:38] I think a lot of the concepts are mind twisting [21:09:14] wetter passes sprellcheck but not whether.. ;? [21:09:48] The sea was wetter than the desert [21:10:01] You should consider switching your dictionary... [21:10:23] Norweian is quite ice [21:10:25] Might be a German one :D [21:10:26] ;) [21:10:35] nice [21:12:56] Reedy: It would be appreciated if you could take a look at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34843 some time (not really urgent, though) [21:16:09] thanks btw [21:28:22] We need a solution for the badges [22:14:07] exit