[00:03:02] AWB is easy, and also able to use it semi-automatically with checking first the proposed change [00:05:38] [00:50:53] Romaine pfff, we need a bot like AWB to work on Wikidata <-- +1 [00:06:10] due addings of bots, thousands of new pages have been created without title [00:06:23] hello all, in ptyhon, there is an extension called pywikidata that seems to work fine [00:06:41] mmm, I do not have much experience with py [00:06:57] isn't it possible to write a script that could just click "slurp interwiki" for all of that items? [00:07:02] no uptodate wi the new api but with little changes it is ok and simple to use [00:07:37] why ? what is the function you need ? [00:07:43] actually ? [00:08:32] I add based on the nl title on 85% of the pages a English title to each item [00:08:56] as it does not work everywhere I need to check it visually [00:10:11] based on just one bots edits [00:11:09] ah ok....hard to do for the moment with a bot !!! [00:11:55] if AWB would work with Wikidata, I could ship if the title already is filled in and auto copy the nl entrance to the title [00:12:03] and check before saving [00:12:10] now I am overloading my browser :S [00:13:37] in fact it is easy to do in python with a single db and a simple script ??? [00:14:57] but even if you want to do that you will have to request for ot flag !!! [00:15:13] > bot flag ! [00:15:29] that is then no problem [00:16:04] have you linux installed ? which languages do you know ? [00:16:33] no linux, no technical languages [00:16:43] only little bit of regex [00:17:26] ok. so i cannot help you ! [00:17:33] :( [00:17:43] you should ask benestar for that [00:17:56] it has an api that works on Windows [00:17:59] thieol_away: Romaine's situation is the situation of many of us [00:18:28] and i think it will be easy for him to do such a thing [00:18:33] Wikidata is too massive, too much items, too much small things to do on many many pages [00:19:40] yes but in fact my idea was to give the situation of all items [00:19:58] because i loaded all in a zip file [00:20:07] and write a little program [00:20:29] but for nl it would be too long [00:20:50] i added it to my own db and it last 3 days to update ! [00:21:00] i cannot afford another language ! [00:21:32] => it for italian [00:21:49] ? [00:22:38] in fact i reproduce wikidata on my computer to make my own queries [00:22:50] Well, Wikidata /is/ fast-becoming the world's biggest wiki, depending on your metric [00:23:13] i know !!! bought new servers !!! :-) [00:23:43] {{cn}} [00:26:14] ? [00:27:58] how do you know new servers were bought? [00:28:14] I bought new servers [00:28:34] and donated them? [00:29:06] no ! just want to mirror wikidata to make my own queries [00:29:45] until we can do this on phase 3 [00:32:17] wow [00:32:24] and /then/ what are you going to do w/ them? [00:32:38] my bot uses this strategy ! [00:33:04] but not approved yet !!! :-) [00:35:17] anyway, romaine, you should leave a message to benestar explainig your need ! [00:35:25] Perhaps I will be the one who approves it [00:35:30] provided that my RfB passes [00:35:59] yes ! but it is a long story !!!! [00:36:10] complex issue ! [01:14:17] right, I'm off for dinner. Cya [02:00:37] hey [02:01:26] is there a Frenchman online? [02:01:38] Moi [02:01:41] (Je suis fr-2) [02:02:17] could you spot the difference between: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minutemen_%28homonymie%29 [02:02:24] and https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minuteman [02:02:42] why are there two disambuigation sites [02:03:20] idk about frwiki policy [02:03:31] ah lol i spotted the diferen man vs men [02:03:32] it seems that the first is about branding of groups/movies [02:03:39] -.- [06:12:21] ? [09:45:55] Hello wikidators :) [09:46:33] by the way, what name was finally chosen for contributors to wikidata ? I remember a discussion about it, but I did not have the conclusion :D [09:48:12] hsarrazin: I cannot remember [09:48:30] lets search in the archives :p [09:48:37] hello Benestar :) [09:48:51] hi [11:22:09] hi Stryn [11:22:26] hi benestar [11:22:32] how are you? [11:23:35] I'm ok, have to go soon to watch sports :) [11:24:46] what kind of sports? [11:24:57] wintersports I guess [11:25:00] yes :) [12:06:09] Lydia_WMDE: hi [12:35:31] benestar: hey [12:35:40] how can i help you? [12:36:03] hi Lydia :) [12:36:34] I was just wondering where Denny's script will be used [12:36:52] you mean the prototype? [12:37:05] yes [12:37:11] for time and locations [12:37:20] it'll still need work obviously but it is going to be the start for entering statements [12:37:47] if you look at the demo system you can see the start of statements already but it only allows you to link to other items so far [12:37:48] so once you will be able to add a statement with Denny's parser? [12:38:01] yes that's the idea [12:38:13] but shouldn't the data be parsed in the api so in php? [12:38:33] no he said this is just for the user interface [12:38:46] the api will require a specific format [12:38:54] ah, ok [12:38:55] this is only to make it easier to enter stuff for humans [12:39:03] and the parser gives this format, right? [12:39:11] yes afaik [12:39:36] i have got another question [12:39:41] shoot :D [12:39:47] i was on vacation and we didn't have time to talk about this in detail but that is what i know) [12:40:01] can i tell you later? [12:40:13] sure [12:40:17] will be back in half an hour :) [12:40:20] ok [12:40:24] just poke me [12:40:26] cu [12:40:29] cu [13:02:37] Lydia_WMDE: back [13:03:21] I wanted to know if you know somebody who can tell me how to work with gerrit and so on [13:03:49] hmmm did you already look at the git pages on mediawiki.org? [13:04:02] if you have specific questions #mediawiki is probably a good start [13:04:10] I took a look but the whole project is very big [13:04:11] or here during the week [13:04:17] *nod* [13:04:46] I have a dev account and all that stuff but I don't know how to start [13:05:37] ok [13:05:46] do you have a change you want to submit already? [13:06:12] not really [13:06:32] can you give me the link to the bugzilla site? [13:10:40] Lydia_WMDE: [13:10:53] bugs.wikimedia.org [13:10:57] one sec [13:11:28] benestar: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=need-volunteer%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&emailcc1=1&resolution=---&emailtype1=exact&emailassigned_to1=1&query_format=advanced&email1=wikidata-bugs%40lists.wikimedia.org&list_id=162515 is what i'd start with if you want to work on something for wikidata [13:11:52] thanks, I will take a look [13:11:55] :) [13:12:07] poke me if you have more questions or problems [13:12:20] ok, thanks for your help :) [13:13:20] no problem :) [13:14:37] Lydia_WMDE: do i have a SUL account there, too? [13:14:54] no that's unfortunately not connected [13:15:08] :/ [13:36:51] Hi everybody! [13:40:44] lol, hi [15:28:07] Wiki13: I am working on your request [15:28:20] ok [15:28:37] I try to create a php script [15:28:44] so you can use it whenever you want+ [15:42:24] I'm not sure if that's annoying or cute benebotstar [15:44:50] !welcome [15:44:51] Welcome: False [15:44:59] Sven_Manguard: better this way? [15:45:10] Donno [15:45:23] I was just surprised to be pinged the moment I joined. [15:45:29] xD [15:53:09] awwwww [15:53:28] wanted to try the benebotstar welcoming :( [15:53:30] well [15:54:05] !welcome [15:54:05] Welcome: True [15:54:21] Oh that's annoying [15:54:33] Sannita: try again [15:54:38] !welcome [15:54:38] Welcome: False [15:54:45] done :) thanks benestar [15:54:46] you have to decide ;) [15:55:10] http://bots.wmflabs.org/~bene/items_by_cat.php [15:55:11] well, it's quite the same with #wikimedia-otrs, so it doesn't changes that much [15:55:18] try out this [15:55:26] hope you'll like it [15:55:30] you... you gotta be kidding :D [15:55:36] is it what I think it is? [15:55:45] what do you think? [15:55:57] Wiki13: try it, too [15:55:59] http://bots.wmflabs.org/~bene/items_by_cat.php [15:56:18] yup [15:56:20] trying it [15:56:39] well, i am away now [15:56:42] cu later [16:02:03] definitely a nice thing [16:10:39] Sannita: does it work? [16:11:03] it does, but I tested it with small categories [16:11:12] i.e. less than 50 elements [16:11:30] i wrote it the last two hours [16:11:40] so it can be very buggy still [16:11:56] I'm trying with [[:it:Category:Italian footballers]] [16:11:56] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/:it:Category:Italian_footballers [16:11:59] :P [16:12:14] ok, but it will take some time [16:12:32] it seems we didn't uploaded all of them yet [16:14:45] perhaps there is a filter [16:14:49] or a maximum [16:15:38] max val is 100 [16:15:47] I wil set it to 1000 [16:16:37] *will [16:33:53] Lydia_WMDE: do you understand this? https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Two_items_with_same_link.3F [16:34:22] benestar: sorry - in a meeting [16:34:36] sorry, my fault [16:36:56] Ajraddatz: you like it? [16:37:04] yeah, looks neat! [16:40:18] and works great too! [16:40:37] My only suggestion would be (somehow) including the label beside the itemID [16:43:06] shouldn't be a problem [17:27:54] We must not need bureaucrats. People with no local contributions are even saying so now. :P [17:31:13] * Jasper_Deng_away slaps Wiki13 for another blanket oppose that really does not help the project, and encourages him to open discussion about whether it's needed or not [17:31:53] :) [17:33:18] i didn't get oppose vote, lol.. [17:35:41] maybe he forgot [17:35:53] it's hard work keeping track of things on a project you've only been to once before :P [17:36:59] Jasper_Deng: I actually do agree with Vogone. I don´t think i´m going to change my vote. [17:37:15] Quite honestly, I don't care if I pass the request or not. I do think that anyone who says "there isn't a need" is wrong, though. 60+ confirmations is enough of a "need" in my books, plus the bot and admin requests... there is more for bureaucrats to do here than on many other projects. [17:37:44] +1 [17:38:18] Vogone's argument about a lack of community and defined policies is the only good argument I've heard so far, and even that could be corrected rather than complained about. [17:38:57] and that´s also my opinion... [17:39:13] and that´s also why I also opposed [17:41:10] Ajraddatz: I think that don´t make a difference when all RfB´s are ended [17:41:29] they´ll just pass it, I think [17:41:37] So then why haven't you contributed to any of the discussions aimed at fixing that, which started before and after the requests? [17:41:42] Also, as it is, none of them will pass. [17:41:52] (with Ebe's oppose, they're at less than 80) [17:43:10] Wiki13: I encourage you to instead open a general discusison of their need b/c this doesn't help the issue [17:43:44] No, what he did is fine... Some projects strike protest votes, but we have no such policy or practice. [17:44:54] A more productive avenue would be for both of them to contribute to the policy-defining discussions, something which neither have done yet. [17:45:07] Rather than just complaining about the lack of policy. [18:21:52] BTW, to anyone concerned: In the last month on Wikidata, we've had 3 successful RfAs, 3 successful bot requests (four soon), 1 successful request for translation adminship and a few admins self-requesting it on meta. Compare that to commons, which had three RfAs and nothing else. There's more of a need for local 'crats here [18:21:56] than on Commons. [18:37:20] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Deletion_policy anyone have ideas on where to discussion deletions, and how long discussions should take? [18:38:57] rschen7754, thanks for catching that [18:39:01] np [18:59:41] Ajraddatz, hey I was going to delete that [18:59:49] lol [18:59:59] hehe, get used to that feeling [19:02:48] wow, that was fast techman224... [19:02:49] :O [19:03:04] I was about to do the same [19:03:07] :P [19:39:21] benebotstar: are you breadth-first or depth-first? [19:39:30] :( [20:27:38] Hey Ebe123 [20:27:43] Salut [20:27:58] Are we at the infobox phase? [20:28:49] Ebe123, not yet [20:28:59] Ok [20:29:07] When? [20:29:12] Soon, though. Mid-January was last I heard. [20:31:05] Then we can truly be Wiki/data/ [20:31:15] What about phase 3? [20:31:22] Good question, lemme check. [20:31:29] what is phase 3? [20:31:50] Right now it's only interwikis and dictionary-like defs [20:32:06] Dictionary definitions? [20:32:10] The third phase is lists [20:32:38] Ebe123: descriptions/labels [20:32:41] arrays? [20:32:55] what about graphs/plots? [20:33:13] with lists? [20:33:36] like, disambiguation lists? [20:34:27] disambiguation pages exist already [20:34:29] Any kind of list [20:35:02] i think it means a list of cities, elements etc [20:35:15] or lists of chemical compounds [20:35:23] where are those dictionary-like defs? [20:35:28] example? [20:35:28] a lot like programming [20:38:08] Romaine: most data entries I've seen are sorta like that [20:38:11] w/ not much elaboration [21:00:35] benebotstar: !welcome [21:00:50] :( Now it hates me? [21:01:24] * Sven_Manguard waves at Guerillero [21:01:30] odd [21:01:34] * Sven_Manguard waves at rschen7754 [21:01:45] * rschen7754 waves at Sven_Manguard [21:01:48] Guerillero, Romaine: as you two are uninvolved, it would be nice if you could close some of the discussions at WT:Bureaucrats [21:02:36] benestar: got up through and including Utah [21:02:48] back later tonight [21:02:58] which ones? [21:03:07] Jasper_Deng: It hasn't been long enough [21:03:14] leave them open for a few days... [21:03:21] some have no opposition [21:03:22] yeah it seems a bit early [21:03:24] * Ajraddatz waves Sven_Manguard at all the people who recently joined [21:03:26] there are people who don't log in on weekends [21:03:33] oh hi Ajraddatz [21:03:36] hi [21:03:36] the proposals were made on Thursday [21:03:46] Somehow I don't see you on my list. It starts at aude [21:03:49] I definitely think that the proposals should stay open... [21:03:54] No rush. [21:03:56] Jasper_Deng: Thursday night... [21:04:18] Sven_Manguard: you don't see who on your list? [21:04:50] Jasper_Deng: what list? I'm talking about the list of people in the channel. I'm not in fullscreen so it cut off Chanserv through AsimovBot [21:05:10] oh [21:14:25] Anyone here have a DYK pending on EnWiki and want to do an "I'll review yours if you review mine" swap? [21:20:00] No [21:23:17] :S [21:36:54] heurekas [21:37:44] anyone here to try out new features? [21:38:04] * lonekon raises hand [21:38:08] :) [21:38:19] do you have activated Gadget:SitelinkCheck ? [21:38:34] doing now [21:38:57] just added new feature so you can directly create a missing item [21:39:03] * a new feature [21:39:55] hmm [21:40:07] yes? [21:40:14] nothing [21:40:15] it adds a link in the toolbox [21:40:25] and at [[Special:CreateItem]] [21:40:26] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:CreateItem [21:41:09] * lonekon looks [21:43:57] checks out fine [21:45:26] lonekon: :) [21:51:06] benestar: I see you're a bot op [21:51:25] do you use pywikipedia? [21:58:45] lonekon: no, I have written my own framework in C# [21:58:56] lonekon : pywikipedia is not updated for python [21:59:23] but there exists an api called pywikidata that works fine [21:59:45] thieol_: is python hard to learn? [22:00:02] i learned it in 3 days !!!! [22:00:11] benestar: :) [22:00:36] but it is quite slow compared with C... [22:00:39] lonekon: are you a programmer? [22:00:55] lonekon: I dabble [22:00:56] python's interpreted on the fly [22:01:07] is it a script language? [22:01:19] *benestar [22:01:20] yes. interpreted [22:01:41] but most of the api are written in C [22:01:51] well, mine isn't [22:02:03] can one use a dll from python? [22:02:13] do not know [22:02:20] i use it on linux [22:02:38] rschen7754: where timed the bot out? [22:02:46] thieol_: my bot runs on linux, too [22:02:51] (with mono= [22:03:26] so why haven't you create a lib.so ? [22:03:37] you distributed it as a dll ? [22:04:15] benestar: for example http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2613324 [22:04:38] that's the one i manually created [22:04:47] hmm [22:04:53] it was just like 1% of the items though [22:05:03] or less [22:05:07] thieol_: have you tried pywikidata? [22:05:14] yes [22:05:29] it's on github right? [22:05:34] but there was a bug that i had to correct [22:05:44] yes on github [22:06:05] thieol_: in pywikidata or DotNetDataBot ? [22:06:07] pywikidata is fine but not as powerful as yours [22:06:14] benestar: yeah, no rush with the descriptions, take your time [22:06:15] pywikidata [22:06:40] bug? can you tell me the details? [22:06:50] rschen7754: are you using the gadget CheckSitelink ? [22:07:03] i wrote the bug on github and mentionned the correction [22:07:11] maybe it is released now [22:07:30] benestar: i did before i created the items, and about 1/3 already had an item [22:07:34] * kondi will look [22:08:07] rschen7754: you can create items with it, now [22:08:22] benestar: yeah it's nice :) [22:08:34] :) [22:08:40] it would be helpful to have it pre-fill the fields when called from special:createitem [22:08:40] see https://github.com/jcreus/pywikidata/issues/6 [22:08:54] hu? [22:08:59] how to prefill? [22:09:55] benestar: say you have http://wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CreateItem&site=enwiki&page=Wyoming+Highway+26 [22:10:00] if you use pywikidata, be carful it is not in line with new api [22:11:21] I was just wondering this. The repo hasn't been updated in a while [22:11:59] yes but it works fine for labels and descriptions with the issue 6 [22:12:26] rschen7754: ok, I will try [22:12:33] by the way, i have updated the php script [22:12:36] benestar: thanks! [22:12:40] http://bots.wmflabs.org/~bene/items_by_cat.php [22:12:42] how about creating new items? [22:12:56] not tested ! [22:14:27] um :\ I think I should write a wrapper from scratch [22:15:26] don't know !!!! perhaps you could try and correct if it does not work [22:15:56] that's also an option. [22:16:36] in my opinion, it works for the creation of new items [22:18:30] I'll give it a try [22:18:48] tell me if you managed to make it work [22:19:01] but what do you want to do ? [22:19:32] several bots are already creating items from wp ? [22:19:32] thieol_: learn C# :p [22:19:49] i'll give a try ! [22:19:59] well there are some articles that are unique to certain wikis [22:20:03] it looked simple ! [22:20:28] like java but i'm now focusing on C++ [22:20:34] a bot would be better option for that [22:20:48] from which wp ? [22:20:52] guwp [22:21:06] ok. [22:21:19] thieol_: you can use my framework in C++, too :) [22:21:36] (if you use .NET) [22:22:05] i do not use .NET :-) I use gcc [22:22:18] i'm not microsoft addicted [22:23:12] but i will try your api if my bot is accepted [22:23:51] python is becomig a little bit slow as the number of items is growing [22:24:56] this reminds me that I have to try pypy [22:26:00] i tried it a little months ago [22:26:14] did not see much difference ! [22:26:36] they say it's faster than cpython? [22:27:03] yes but with cpython i only gained 25% of cpu ??? [22:27:33] and with pypy? [22:27:52] 30% i think but don't remember well [22:28:11] i did the same program in C and it was 10 times faster ! [22:29:12] compiled beats interpreted [22:29:57] yes but i have the same problem in java! [22:30:10] even compiling the code ! [22:30:38] I've maintained distance from java till now! [22:31:16] it seems that C++ and C# are more used those days. [22:32:56] Yes, I don't know C++. [22:33:48] me too. learned it 10 years ago, programmed for 1 year. But it has evolved a lot since. [22:34:24] sorry but i have to leave. [22:34:33] np :) [22:34:37]