[00:09:37] * Jeblad_WMDE wonder if he should nominate himself for a troll position... [00:10:35] * Moe_Epsilon didn't know those positions existed [02:45:43] !log [02:45:56] >.> that didn't work... [02:47:02] wm-bot is here [02:47:02] …what were you trying to do? [02:48:32] well it says up top "Publicly logged channel — !log for more info" [02:48:32] ahhh i keep getting these. [02:48:36] pywikibot.data.api.APIError: no-such-entity-id: No entity found matching ID 2038236 [02:48:38] !logs [02:48:38] http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/logs/ [02:49:53] there we go [02:51:50] fun [03:01:28] yippe [03:01:32] got my bot to work :D [03:09:17] somehow this is eluding me…where do i post a request for a bot flag? [03:09:35] legoktm: WD:RFP [03:09:48] ok [03:09:57] that only has an input box for adminship? [03:10:04] do i need to make it manually? [03:10:04] ik [03:10:19] you manually make the subpage Wikidata:Requests for permissions/ [03:10:29] so much work! [03:17:35] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Main_Page/Sister_projects-gl&action=history [03:17:39] kind of bizarre [03:18:31] filed it [03:31:45] You know, if I were a 'crat I could just flag it. You know, 'crat abuse. But /nooooOOOOOoooo/, :P [03:33:07] * Jasper_Deng thinks that fiasco might fail his reconfirmation [03:33:26] ? [03:35:57] the fiasco w/ bureaucrats [03:36:33] that wasn't your fault... [03:39:38] heh [03:39:46] is my bot idea a good one? [03:42:10] looks decent [03:44:10] Is the consensus that wikidata doesnt need crats in its current state? [03:44:24] yeah [03:49:20] Merlissimo: ping [05:57:15] they never did give out ops for this channel, did they? [05:59:09] [11:58:59 PM] -ChanServ- 1 Barras +ARfiorstv [modified 45 weeks, 3 days, 15:13:57 ago] [05:59:09] [11:58:59 PM] -ChanServ- 2 Lydia_WMDE +AFRfiorstv [modified 45 weeks, 3 days, 15:18:19 ago] [05:59:09] [11:58:59 PM] -ChanServ- 3 wmfgc +AFRfiorstv [modified 45 weeks, 3 days, 15:19:49 ago] [05:59:10] [11:58:59 PM] -ChanServ- 4 JeroenDeDauw +AFRfiorstv [modified 32 weeks, 6 days, 15:24:56 ago] [06:02:58] they really need to give some out [06:03:15] well Krenair_ seems to have stabilized [06:03:27] yeah, that's why i was asking [06:03:55] also since both of you are around, about how many trial edits should i have my bot do? [06:04:19] legoktm: 500 [06:04:29] :o [06:04:30] legoktm: 1837±2 [06:04:33] that seems like a lot [06:04:35] but ok [06:04:35] over 9000 [06:04:42] legoktm: I said 1000 last time and people got pissed [06:04:42] ..... [06:04:47] Sven_Manguard: ah ok [06:05:04] legoktm: if I thought you'd run a bot that was broken, I wouldn't say 500, but I have confidence in you [06:05:06] legoktm, 1,000,000 [06:05:08] so 500 [06:05:13] * Sven_Manguard trouts addshore [06:05:26] :) [06:07:44] Afrikaans is missing [06:07:53] I can't add a link to it [06:08:04] code af [06:08:43] techman224: what do you mean it's missing? [06:08:57] I can't add an interwiki link to it [06:09:02] It still exists in South Africa and to a lesser extend in Namibia afaik [06:09:04] oh [06:09:14] http://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuisblad [06:10:04] Dutch with bad spelling [06:19:28] ugh [06:19:32] my bot choked on unicode [06:20:27] Now it's back [06:22:57] techman224: was it ever gone? [06:23:20] huh, no, I tried adding it when one existed already [06:23:33] There was already an af link [06:24:06] Just blame it on "de Boer" [06:24:06] It must have been taken off the drop down list when I added it [06:24:11] this is weird, https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2837639 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q417996 both point to the same en article [06:24:31] which is used by https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q415693 [06:24:38] Those are redirects [06:24:50] not in other languages though [06:25:03] No [06:25:11] legoktm: Alladian are a subgroup of Akan people [06:25:33] some languages probably just have all the subgroups in one article [06:25:36] ok except enwiki doesn't have an article on alladian [06:25:43] right, so how does that get handled? [06:25:46] too bad for enwiki [06:25:52] nobody cares about it anyway [06:26:18] :( [06:27:03] Akye and Alladian are distinct groups of people, both of which are "Akan" people [06:27:07] Alladian is a subgroup of Akan [06:27:09] So why not have two pages? [06:27:19] techman224: I said it already :P [06:27:21] right, that makes sense [06:27:28] except what should be done about the enwiki links? [06:27:40] remove them [06:27:54] leave them, different wikis organized themselves differently [06:27:55] except the one on the greater "Akan" people(s) [06:28:08] hm [06:28:53] legoktm: you could create an article about Akye and Alladian peoples on enwiki [06:29:26] that would work, except i'm trying to fix my bot right now :P [06:30:14] techman224: is there a policy about this? [06:31:11] huh, on enwiki or wikidata? [06:31:26] Vikidatoje [06:31:29] erm, on wikidata [06:32:01] huh, there's no policy [06:32:38] Looks like we need a process to deal with merges [06:33:15] or you could just create an article about the Alladian people on enwiki [06:33:56] huh, that might be difficult [06:34:08] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alladian&action=history [06:34:09] techman224: why? [06:34:13] not notable [06:34:37] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alladian&diff=351235680&oldid=351221874 [06:34:42] You can't just say that [06:34:51] You can't just say that an ethnic group isn't notable [06:34:56] ah [06:35:01] thats why it got added to wikidata in the first place [06:35:11] techman224: I just read that as "Looks like we need a process to deal with mages" [06:35:33] techman224: You could base it on information from https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alladian_(peuple) [06:36:38] huh, someone tried that already [06:36:50] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alladian&oldid=503277973 [06:37:14] that's only 1 sentence [06:37:19] the frwiki one is more [06:37:47] BTW why is this channel logged? [06:38:04] !logs [06:38:04] http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/logs/ [06:38:41] that doesn't explain why [06:38:53] huh, it has been from the beginning [06:39:05] probably by the developers [06:39:30] huh: Your nick is disconcerting. Every time you say something I keep reading it as part of the text [06:40:03] * huh ? [06:41:12] techman224: the other main WMF channels aren't logged, ¿are they? [06:41:31] huh: most arent [06:42:00] Exactly! :Þ [06:42:39] wolfgang42: Who useÞ Þhe letter "Þ"orn? [06:43:12] *Who useþ þhe letter "þ"orn? [06:43:33] huh: IT LOOKS BETTER THAN p [06:43:39] þ = th [06:43:51] * wolfgang42 apologizes for caps loc [06:43:58] *lock [06:44:29] Also, it should be Þe not Þhe, no? [06:44:33] yep [06:44:38] huh, the log bot being set up, http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/logs/%23wikimedia-wikidata/20120426.txt [06:44:52] my "þhe" was supposed to be "þe" [06:44:55] Should I use :Ϸ instead? [06:45:01] Wynn? :D [06:45:12] Oh, Sho [06:45:27] Archaic Greek letters >.< [06:48:51] wolfgang42: do you think there should be a multilingual version of Project chat? [06:49:07] Project chat? [06:49:28] Reason: currently things are only announced in English but there are people who don't speak English [06:50:20] Yes, but what is project chat? [06:50:30] like our village pump [06:50:57] [[Project:Project chat]] [06:51:46] On wikidata? [06:52:08] yes... [06:53:09] I got confused because it redirects to Wikidata: , so I wasn't sure if I was missing something [06:53:21] Aka "Projet chat" [06:53:23] afk, I need a drink [06:53:40] (the French version means "Project cat") [06:53:40] If we split it up, discussions would be fractured like on commons [06:53:53] techman224: that's what I want to stop [06:55:55] Isn't it multilingual already? [07:01:09] not exactly [07:02:12] wolfgang42: something like https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:PiRSquared17/Sandbox (but with https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-LanguageSelect.js enabled of course) [07:02:31] * wolfgang42 looks [07:02:59] the gadget allows you to only show one language's translations [07:03:24] Who would do all the translation though? [07:03:33] volunteers? [07:05:02] I suppose, but trying to translate all the conversations into all the languages seems like a rather daunting task [07:05:23] * wolfgang42 wishes artificial intelligence worked better [07:06:20] that seems overkill [07:09:45] Why? [07:10:17] yeah, it's an impossible task [07:11:01] That's why I'm *wishing* [07:11:13] wolfgang42: because non-Anglophone users might benefit from being able to see Anglophone discussions in their native language [07:11:20] also virtual reality would be nice while I'm at it [07:11:29] (especially if it's human-translated by a native speaker) [07:11:41] huh: I understand *why*, I'm just not sure if it's practical [07:12:16] Also they could comment in their language and have someone else translate to English and then to other languages... [07:15:27] wolfgang42: how else will non-Anglophone users be able to read important discussions (like about policy)? [07:15:48] huh: Like I said, I understand *why*, and I support the idea [07:16:15] I'm just not sure whether you'll be able to find enough translators interested in translating the discussion [07:17:12] well, on https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:TRREQ it's pretty much about beating other people to translating first (just kidding) :P [07:17:44] Well, if you can find the translators it's a great idea [07:18:54] Does commons not have something like this? [11:17:29] New patchset: Bene; "(bug 43870 - bug 43871 - bug 43872) New Special Pages to edit entities without javascript" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43583 [11:25:58] aude: hey :) [11:28:04] benestar: huhu :) [11:28:16] hi Vogone :) [12:03:29] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "mostly minor stuff that can be done in follow up, though there is some double escaping at one place" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43583 [12:35:42] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "(bug 44100) Remove Statement interface and rename StatementObject to Statement" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44675 [14:38:22] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "New setclaim API module that allows creating or updating an entire claim given JSON serialization [DO NOT MERGE]" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44858 [14:43:18] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44446 [16:31:38] New patchset: Hoo man; "Make wb.Api independent from current working wiki" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44860 [16:39:48] New patchset: Hoo man; "Make wb.Api independent from current working wiki" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44860 [17:23:44] jeroendedauw_: here? [18:05:21] !logs [18:05:21] http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/logs/ [18:06:50] benestar: I'm here yes? :p [18:07:06] JeroenDeDauw: hi [18:07:22] I have read your review and I did not understand one aspect [18:07:43] Line 446: * @param \Language|null $lang [18:07:45] will fatal when null. Can thus typehint against Language in method def [18:08:00] JeroenDeDauw: why will it be fatal? [18:22:11] benestar: you can add ?filter=ext.wikibase to not runn ALL QUnit tests [18:22:35] benestar: if the var is null, and you call a method on it, it will fatal [18:22:59] JeroenDeDauw: but I am checking if it is null [18:23:09] $lang === null ? '' : '/' . wfUrlencode( $lang->getCode() ) [18:23:09] link? [18:38:36] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Rem test that fails on some setups" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44862 [18:43:55] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added normal-looking entry point so Jenkins is happy" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44863 [18:47:04] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added asserts in methods otherwise not performing any tests" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44865 [19:07:34] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Make entry points work in non-global scope" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44867 [19:12:26] benestar you are right [19:12:29] I'm blind [19:12:36] puh [19:12:49] benestar Though nesting trinaries might have something to do with me not seeing it :p [19:13:06] ;) [19:13:15] JeroenDeDauw: another questoin [19:13:29] New patchset: Hoo man; "Make wb.Api independent from current working wiki" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44860 [19:13:51] JeroenDeDauw: why should I add the @param and @return docs, although there is already a @see doc? [19:15:21] New review: Hoo man; "FormatJson::encode now! Passing all repo qunit tests" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44860 [19:18:28] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "fix test failing on sqlite" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44869 [19:23:28] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "fix error in test (not spotted so far because test is not run on mysql installs)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44870 [19:45:20] benestar: typehinting [19:45:30] benestar: also, this does not get inconsistent over time [19:45:33] descriptions do [19:46:12] JeroenDeDauw1: what do you actually talk about? [19:46:30] benestar your last question [19:46:52] about the docs? [19:46:55] ok [19:47:07] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44869 [19:47:15] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44870 [19:47:28] JeroenDeDauw: but at SpecialCreateItem there is also only written /** * @see ... */ [19:57:05] benestar not all our code is following sane conventions unfortunately :p [19:57:12] :/ [19:57:21] let me fix that [19:57:33] so I also have to add teh @since doc? [19:58:43] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "docs++" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44937 [19:58:56] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44937 [19:59:04] benestar there you go ^^ [19:59:09] ;) [19:59:18] benestar preferably yes [19:59:19] JeroenDeDauw: why did not review anybody it? [19:59:35] benestar I only changed docs [19:59:43] k [19:59:45] Don't thibnk that change needed anyone to review it :) [19:59:54] ;) [20:00:01] If I broke anything, feel free to shout at me :p [20:00:12] I don't think so [20:03:32] New patchset: Bene; "(bug 43870 - bug 43871 - bug 43872) New Special Pages to edit entities without javascript" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43583 [20:03:46] JeroenDeDauw: --^ done [20:08:05] I hope it can be merged soon [21:35:52] New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "(bug 44108) Honor $wgSend404Code for missing entities." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44640 [21:37:07] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "@MZMcBride: Unit test added. Figured out how to use a FauxResponse to do this." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44640