[08:18:22] <legoktm>	 hm
[08:18:32] <legoktm>	 Jasper_Deng_away: is there currently a bot that removes sitelinks for deleted articles?
[08:19:51] <rschen7754>	 legoktm: not that i'm aware
[08:20:09] <rschen7754>	 (i think Jasper_Deng_away is away :P)
[08:21:22] <legoktm>	 would such a bot be a good idea? assuming it waits say 24h after an article is deleted?
[08:21:39] <legoktm>	 and jasper edited a page on wikidata 2 minutes after he changed his nick :P
[08:21:55] <rschen7754>	 sure, though if all the links are gone, the page should be tossed
[08:22:02] <rschen7754>	 and you'd have to make a lot of queries...
[08:22:24] <legoktm>	 why would it be a lot of queries?
[08:22:36] <rschen7754>	 there's 285 wikipedias...
[08:23:21] <legoktm>	 umm why does that matter?
[08:23:26] <legoktm>	 its just one query per 'pedia
[08:23:44] <rschen7754>	 i'm a bit confused as to the algorithm
[08:23:52] <legoktm>	 and another per article
[08:24:17] <legoktm>	 you run a query which gives you a list of articles in wikidata that dont exist on that wiki
[08:24:35] <legoktm>	 then you run another query for each article on that list to check it was deleted 24h+ ago
[08:24:43] <rschen7754>	 ...ok
[08:24:53] <rschen7754>	 if it's computationally possible, sure
[08:25:16] <legoktm>	 Of course its possible :D
[08:26:12] <legoktm>	 i just need to tweak my redirect query a bit
[08:51:57] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Henning Snater; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44834
[09:10:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 43006) Simpler implementation of disable for SnakTypeSelector" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44833
[09:16:58] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Henning Snater; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44833
[09:36:43] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44416
[09:49:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "(minor) stick closer to jQuery.Widget implementation of snakview disable/enable" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44835
[09:49:32] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44447
[09:56:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: John Erling Blad; "Got a conflict during a rebase." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43621
[09:58:27] <legoktm>	 hi, is there any wikidata equivalent to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=interwikimap&sifilteriw=local ?
[10:17:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: John Erling Blad; "This will break the loop after the set max time, so it can give an additional double run. Would this..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44433
[10:19:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "(minor) stick closer to jQuery.Widget implementation of snakview disable/enable" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44835
[10:25:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(hot fix) fixes broken 'add' button introduced in I14e89ecc" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44961
[10:30:50] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Henning Snater; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44835
[10:37:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Kinzler; "@John: I don't understand what you mean with "an additional double run", nor do I see when and why a..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44433
[10:38:42] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Henning Snater; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44961
[10:41:09] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44675
[10:51:03] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44862
[10:53:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Denny Vrandecic; "(bug 41994) display labels and descriptions in user languages" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44647
[11:01:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "(bug 43870 - bug 43871 - bug 43872) New Special Pages to edit entities without javascript" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43583
[11:06:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hoo man; "RE to Jeroen" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44860
[11:07:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aude; "probably unrelated, but rebase required...." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43621
[11:08:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Looks good to me except for the one issue. Also did some quick test and seems to work" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43583
[11:09:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "> Argument 2 passed to Wikibase\\DiffView::generateOpHtml() must implement interface Diff\\IDiffOp" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43621
[11:18:35] <JeroenDeDauw>	 DanielK_WMDE: y u no review????!
[11:21:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aude; "hence a rebase would help :)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43621
[11:30:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "New setclaim API module that allows creating or updating an entire claim given JSON serialization [DO NOT MERGE]" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44858
[11:36:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "Trigger claimview widget's error handling out of claimlistview" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44970
[11:41:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hoo man; "RE to Daniel Werner" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44860
[11:45:51] <DanielK_WMDE>	 JeroenDeDauw: i was busy with nasty paperwork stuff. now i'll review :)
[11:47:04] <DanielK_WMDE>	 AnjaJ_WMDE: hi! can you give me some more info about what is expected of me at the HPI on wednesday? The generic 30 minute presentation with slideshow, or what?
[11:47:14] <DanielK_WMDE>	 maybe we can talk about it tomorrow over lunch or something
[11:47:33] <AnjaJ_WMDE>	 Hi Daniel :)
[11:49:32] <AnjaJ_WMDE>	 The talk should be around 30 mins omitting an extended explanation of entity disambiguation in general but more how Wikidata will solve that. What will be of main interest is the data formats, references, APIs etc
[11:50:00] <AnjaJ_WMDE>	 Do you have a general summary of your talk that I can send around?
[11:50:07] <AnjaJ_WMDE>	 some lines of text only
[11:51:45] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44647
[11:53:09] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Henning Snater; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44622
[11:55:00] <JeroenDeDauw>	 DanielK_WMDE: what is an HPI and why do I want to know?
[11:55:42] <DanielK_WMDE>	 JeroenDeDauw: http://www.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/willkommen.html?L=1
[11:55:50] <DanielK_WMDE>	 JeroenDeDauw: but ask anja for details, she works there :)
[11:56:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "Trigger claimview widget's error handling out of claimlistview" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44970
[11:56:46] <DanielK_WMDE>	 AnjaJ_WMDE: i don't have the talk yet :) Well, I have several talks, but not a new one. Will do that tomorrow. But maybe I can recycle an old summary...
[11:57:29] <AnjaJ_WMDE>	 hm, that would be nice today already, do you have a summary from some other talk like at lswt or that berlin talk you gave?
[11:57:35] <AnjaJ_WMDE>	 just a general
[11:59:57] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44865
[12:01:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "Trigger claimview widget's error handling out of claimlistview" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44970
[12:02:23] <DanielK_WMDE>	 AnjaJ_WMDE: sent.
[12:02:41] <DanielK_WMDE>	 oops, to your private address. sry.
[12:02:54] <AnjaJ_WMDE>	 no problem
[12:03:30] <AnjaJ_WMDE>	 super, passt gut
[12:05:50] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44640
[12:07:28] <AnjaJ_WMDE>	 ah DanielK_WMDE: since it is a InfoLunch there will be first pizza, then the talk :)
[12:08:02] <DanielK_WMDE>	 good :)
[12:08:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: John Erling Blad; "Only comments" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44244
[12:09:00] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44244
[12:14:19] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44970
[12:15:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Denny Vrandecic; "(bug 41994) display labels and descriptions in user languages" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44971
[12:18:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "(bug 42189) merge runs of changes for RC." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43621
[12:19:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Kinzler; "rebased" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43621
[12:20:36] <Denny_WMDE>	 dev-repo is down again?
[12:20:42] <Denny_WMDE>	 looks like messagecache error
[12:31:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "(bug 42189) merge runs of changes for RC." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43621
[12:53:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "Checking on initial snak when drawing property" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44973
[12:59:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(minor) optimization of claimview error handling" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44623
[13:02:48] <DanielK_WMDE>	 JeroenDeDauw: gave a +1 for the sites stuff. i can merge it if nobody else does, but i'd like a second oppinion first.
[13:03:00] <DanielK_WMDE>	 gotta run off now, bbl
[13:08:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "(minor) optimization of claimview error handling" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44623
[13:09:49] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Henning Snater; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44623
[13:36:01] <JeroenDeDauw>	 DanielK_WMDE: it has been sitting there in pretty much current form for a week already...
[13:36:17] <JeroenDeDauw>	 DanielK_WMDE: and if someone has more suggestions in two weeks, I can make a follow up
[14:05:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hoo man; "Make wb.Api independent from current working wiki" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44860
[14:05:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hoo man; "Fixed edittoken handling, minor changes" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44860
[14:21:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Improvements to serializer code to facilitate unserialization [DO NOT MERGE]" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44975
[14:39:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Denny Vrandecic; "(bug 41994) display labels and descriptions in user languages" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44971
[14:55:13] <Reedy>	 DanielK_WMDE: Do you want https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/38689/ deploying?
[14:56:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "(43006) Replace toolbar with message while saving/removing" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44977
[14:58:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 43006) Replace toolbar with message while saving/removing" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44977
[15:20:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hoo man; "Introduce wb.repoApi which queries the repo independent from the current wiki" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44860
[15:24:32] <DanielK_WMDE>	 would be good, i guess
[15:24:40] <DanielK_WMDE>	 for me, nothign depends on it. 
[15:24:55] <DanielK_WMDE>	 just a fix for a fatal error triggered by an edge case.
[15:27:00] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Kinzler; "Do we really need this? It makes my skin crawl. It's an invitation to web admins to do the wrong thing." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44863
[15:29:38] <DanielK_WMDE>	 Reedy: --^
[15:32:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Anja Jentzsch; "Can you post the setting? Using set_env?" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44638
[15:33:21] <sumanah>	 How is the Hungarian Wikipedia rollout working out? Good?
[15:39:13] <Reedy>	 After the few initial issues, I think all has been well
[15:39:38] <sumanah>	 yay!
[15:39:39] <sumanah>	 congrats all
[15:40:09] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jens Ohlig; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44638
[15:41:12] <Reedy>	 I think the major outstanding issue is getting the interwiki bots to stop updating huwiki..
[15:46:35] <huh>	 When I went to Wikidata, my account's language was set to German. why?
[15:47:02] <MF-Warburg>	 surely that's some ULS thing :D
[15:47:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Anja Jentzsch; "Works for me in Firefox?" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44412
[15:47:25] <huh>	 darn, now it's Icelandic
[15:49:35] <huh>	 Ég segi allt gott, þakka þér fyrir.
[15:50:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "(bug 42189) merge runs of changes for RC." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43621
[15:57:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hoo man; "Introduce wb.RepoApi which queries the repo independent from the current wiki" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44860
[16:05:41] <lbenedix>	 is there an other way to handle a POST-Request within an extension than creating a specialpage?
[16:05:56] <lbenedix>	 the request will come from Javascript I embed to the sites
[16:10:19] <DanielK_WMDE>	 lbenedix: creating a specialpage? "special" pages are written in php, they can't be created from the outside. That would be very dangerous. What exactly are you trying to achieve?
[16:10:45] <DanielK_WMDE>	 huh: are you sure you are logged in?
[16:11:26] <lbenedix>	 i have an extension and want to write to the database
[16:12:19] <lbenedix>	 i dont want to create the specialpage from the outside
[16:12:26] <DanielK_WMDE>	 ah, i see
[16:12:44] <DanielK_WMDE>	 the best way to handle a post request is to implement an API module.
[16:12:53] <DanielK_WMDE>	 Though a special page or an action would work too.
[16:13:28] <lbenedix>	 ok... i know how to do that specialpage-thing... is it possible to hide that specialpage from the list of all specialpages?
[16:14:56] <DanielK_WMDE>	 yes
[16:15:22] <DanielK_WMDE>	 iirc, the SpecialPage class has a method that you can override, isListed() or something.
[16:15:33] <DanielK_WMDE>	 but do look into the API stuff: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Extensions
[16:15:36] <DanielK_WMDE>	 it's not hard.
[16:15:52] <DanielK_WMDE>	 only the way the result is returned is a bit awkward
[16:17:49] <lbenedix>	 I think I stay with the specialpage-thing, I have done this before ;)
[16:18:38] <lbenedix>	 in my wikibase-setup the itembytitle-specialpage is hidden, but i cant find the reason for that...
[16:26:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "Followup to 36780, add new columns FIRST" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37485
[17:18:50] <benestar>	 JeroenDeDauw: hi
[17:24:49] <lbenedix>	 can someone tell me how the update()-function from http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Database_access works?
[17:24:49] <lbenedix>	 i want to execute a query like this: update foobar set count = count + 1 where foo = 'bar';
[17:25:04] <JeroenDeDauw>	 benestar hi
[17:25:22] <benestar>	 JeroenDeDauw: how to get the siteid properly?
[17:28:22] <JeroenDeDauw>	 benestar in your case you probably want to show a dropdown with the different sites that has as values the global site id of each
[17:29:03] <benestar>	 it wouldn't be compatible with the other special pages where you only have to choose a language
[17:47:08] <JeroenDeDauw>	 benestar it can't be I'm afraid
[17:47:23] <JeroenDeDauw>	 just consider that we can have a multilingual site
[17:47:34] <JeroenDeDauw>	 or multiple sites with the same language
[17:47:38] <benestar>	 :/
[17:47:50] <benestar>	 JeroenDeDauw: so how to get a list of all possible sites?
[17:48:18] <benestar>	 or maybe we should handle it same as special create item
[17:48:20] <JeroenDeDauw>	 benestar with master that would be Sites::singleton()->getAllSites() or something like that
[17:48:35] <benestar>	 why not do it like create item?
[17:58:49] <JeroenDeDauw>	 benestar this page does not allow adding sitelinks?
[17:59:32] <benestar>	 JeroenDeDauw: it does
[17:59:46] <JeroenDeDauw>	 benestar ????
[17:59:54] <benestar>	 http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:CreateItem?site=enwiki&page=Abc
[18:00:42] <JeroenDeDauw>	 benestar heh wtf :p
[18:00:47] <JeroenDeDauw>	 did not know it did that
[18:00:50] <benestar>	 xD
[18:01:45] <JeroenDeDauw>	 benestar you can do that yes
[18:01:49] <JeroenDeDauw>	 it's basically what I suggested
[18:01:53] <JeroenDeDauw>	 minus the dropdown
[18:01:58] <benestar>	 k
[18:01:59] <JeroenDeDauw>	 but that is a very trivial UI change
[18:02:06] <JeroenDeDauw>	 which I do recommend you make
[18:02:16] <JeroenDeDauw>	 since users should not know about site ids :p
[18:02:25] <JeroenDeDauw>	 *should not have to know
[18:02:28] <benestar>	 I think a dropdown menu isn't so comfortable
[18:02:40] <benestar>	 cause there are many site ids :P
[18:37:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "(minor) Add group medium to a test that otherwise complains" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44993
[18:39:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: John Erling Blad; "Self-submit a rather small change to get rid of a pesky error." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44993
[18:39:01] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44993
[18:55:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Moving baseclasses and preparing for reuse" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44995
[19:00:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: John Erling Blad; "Files got included that should be in another changeset" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44995
[19:09:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Moving baseclasses and preparing for reuse" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44995
[20:03:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "(bug 43775) Provide text for filtering to AbuseFilter." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45002
[20:28:46] <lazowik>	 !
[20:28:54] <lazowik>	 oh not here
[20:28:57] <lazowik>	 sorry!
[20:32:44] <Reedy>	 $wgHooks['AbuseFilter-contentToString']
[20:32:50] <Reedy>	 Is anything consistent!?
[20:48:51] <bjelleklang>	 hi guys, are we only supposed to add iwlinks to existing articles, or are redlinks ok? There is a lot of places/names that eg. doesn't exist on no.wp, but where the spelling would be identical to the english version.
[20:50:21] <huh>	 bjelleklang: you can't add iwlinks to nonexistent pages, can you?
[20:50:37] <rschen7754>	 only existing articles
[20:50:39] <bjelleklang>	 not on regular wikis, not sure on wikidata
[20:50:45] <bjelleklang>	 ok, thanks rschen7754 :)
[20:50:48] <rschen7754>	 np
[21:57:30] <Merlissimo>	 what happens when a page on huwiki is moved while wikidata is readonly?
[21:57:42] <huh>	 Nuthin
[21:57:49] <huh>	 Merlissimo: did you get my memo?
[21:58:04] <Merlissimo>	 huh: no
[21:58:09] <Merlissimo>	 where?
[21:58:43] <huh>	 Merlissimo: It was using MemoServ (on freenode/IRC) but basically see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Small_and_large_wikis/Statistics
[21:59:21] <Merlissimo>	 ah yes that. wmf must run the update script
[21:59:43] <Merlissimo>	 so all moved huwiki pages will lost all langlink?
[22:03:10] <aude>	 Merlissimo: i think huwiki would be read only too?
[22:03:41] <Merlissimo>	 huwiki and wikidata are not on the same cluster
[22:03:51] <aude>	 true...
[22:04:00] <aude>	 nothing is automatic yet...
[22:04:03] <Merlissimo>	 so they will move transfered to the new datacenter at different times
[22:04:20] <Reedy>	 [21:57:33] <Merlissimo> what happens when a page on huwiki is moved while wikidata is readonly?
[22:04:22] <Reedy>	 Drama.
[22:04:56] <aude>	 if a page is moved, it will lose the links until someone fixes the relevant wikidata item
[22:06:28] <legoktm>	 i have a bot waiting for approval that will do that
[22:06:35] <aude>	 nice :)
[22:06:46] <legoktm>	 except right now it only does enwiki :/
[22:07:04] * aude  sure the problem will sort itself out somehow

[22:07:15] <aude>	 and not sure it will be that big of an issue
[22:07:35] <Merlissimo>	 legoktm: if pages still have local langlinks my bot can correct it, too. but huwiki not always have local lanlinks
[22:08:09] <huh>	 Reedy: can you just ask huwiki to not allow page moves during this time?
[22:08:15] <legoktm>	 huh: lol
[22:08:18] <huh>	 :P
[22:08:26] <legoktm>	 Merlissimo: Well I just wrote a database query that gets a list of wikidata pages where the enwiki link is a redirect, and then finds the target, and fixes it.
[22:08:42] <Reedy>	 I'm not sure how the migration is going to be done
[22:09:03] <Merlissimo>	 legoktm: hat about pages that where not moved but only changed to be a redirect?
[22:10:00] <legoktm>	 So far in all of my testing the target page already exists in wikidata, so the API gives an error which the bot logs for human review
[22:10:11] <legoktm>	 https://en.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Legobot/Conflicts
[22:10:46] <Merlissimo>	 only about 55% of all pages are imported.
[22:11:13] <legoktm>	 Hm
[22:11:20] <Merlissimo>	 you should not rely on this error. you should check the langlinks
[22:11:40] <legoktm>	 er what do you mean?
[22:12:15] <Merlissimo>	 if the target has langlinks check if they match with the other sitelinks of that item
[22:12:24] <legoktm>	 ah ok
[22:12:32] <legoktm>	 I can do that
[22:13:08] <legoktm>	 Should I check for an exact match? Just one match? More than half?
[22:16:11] <Merlissimo>	 i never though about that, because my bot is always checking everything
[22:17:24] <huh>	 Nevermore shall one be required to copy interproject links from a foreign page
[22:20:27] <huh>	 but some still remain skeptic of the new system, as evidenced by https://lt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Naudotojo_aptarimas%3AHugo.arg&diff=4227330&oldid=4227315
[22:21:07] <rschen7754>	 :(
[22:22:03] <huh>	 I have a feeling they will remain reluctant to adapt the new system.
[22:24:29] <legoktm>	 Meh
[22:24:40] <legoktm>	 They'll adapt after they realize how much better it is
[22:24:41] <huh>	 rschen7754: why do you think they are unwilling to develop the new sitelinks?
[22:24:59] <huh>	 Is there any real reason, or are they just used to the old way?
[22:25:17] <rschen7754>	 huh: check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikidata_interwiki_RFC
[22:26:04] * huh  looks

[22:27:21] <huh>	 The proposal is a great idea
[22:27:40] <huh>	 I didn't consider the direct consequences like that, great proposal
[22:27:53] <rschen7754>	 thx
[22:28:08] <rschen7754>	 but unfortunately people were like OMGWTFBBQ I ACTUALLLY HAVE TO READ SOMETHING KILLLLL!!!!!!
[22:29:26] <huh>	 Very sensible indeed. Why should we waste time, edits, and data just doing this when we can combine the removals with other edits?
[22:30:42] <rschen7754>	 yeah
[22:30:59] <rschen7754>	 oh well, if it fails, then people will just go hogwild and remove them all
[22:31:26] <huh>	 rschen7754: however Ruud's comment is interesting as well
[22:31:39] <Jasper_Deng>	 Ruud Koot?
[22:31:40] <huh>	 But all interwiki bots will be disabled by that point, right?
[22:31:40] <rschen7754>	 yeah, i mean some of the opposes did bring up good points
[22:31:53] <huh>	 No point having bots for an outdated system
[22:32:05] <rschen7754>	 huh: those that aren't fixed, yes
[22:32:11] <rschen7754>	 link FA/GA will still need work
[22:32:21] <huh>	 Then block 'em if they change interwikis :P
[22:32:33] <multichill>	 huh: That's incorrect, you still need the bot to fix conflicts etc
[22:32:40] <huh>	 hm
[22:33:03] <multichill>	 But that's only 1% of current edits
[22:33:08] <huh>	 multichill: I don't understand that concern, sorry
[22:33:13] <rschen7754>	 huh: yeah, i've brought up the issue to the enwiki BAG
[22:33:27] <multichill>	 Do you understand the concept of an interwiki conflict?
[22:33:30] <huh>	 Why would they fix conflicts on enwiki?
[22:33:36] <huh>	 If we can fix it on wikidata
[22:34:30] <huh>	 multichill: I don't know what you're referring to
[22:34:59] <huh>	 but won't /all/ changes to interwikis (including fixing "conflicts") be done on Wikidata itself?
[22:35:27] <multichill>	 Nope, wikidata can't handle the conflicted state
[22:35:41] <multichill>	 gtg
[22:36:09] * huh  ?

[22:36:56] <huh>	 rschen7754: what is his concern?
[22:37:11] <rschen7754>	 huh: no idea
[22:37:26] <huh>	 Why can't Wikidata handle it?
[22:37:29] <huh>	 What ?
[22:39:22] <huh>	 rschen7754: I think MBisanz's suggestion at the bottom is a good idea
[22:39:43] <rschen7754>	 yeah, i think it is too
[22:40:34] <huh>	 But I will refrain from commenting because I'm not a big fan of the Engrish Vikipædya
[22:41:04] <rschen7754>	 i'm obviously very involved there, but i'm a bit disappointed at the reaction i got with that RFC
[22:48:49] <legoktm>	 hm
[22:48:53] <legoktm>	 i should probably go look at it
[22:52:25] <Jarry1250>	 Hallo
[22:52:33] <Jarry1250>	 (there's where my German will stop)
[22:52:55] <Jarry1250>	 Any of the team about? My client doesn't show me who's marked as /away
[22:53:51] <Reedy>	 I only see Lydia and Daniel..
[22:53:54] <Reedy>	 and hoo
[22:54:06] <hoo>	 huh?
[22:54:17] <Reedy>	 yes you
[22:54:22] <huh>	 hoo?
[22:54:26] <Reedy>	 huh?
[22:54:37] <huh>	 Reedy?
[22:54:54] <Lydia_WMDE>	 dudes! :D
[22:55:10] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Jarry1250: wasup?
[22:58:38] <Reedy>	 Very important it seems
[22:58:58] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Reedy: always! :D
[22:59:44] <Jarry1250>	 Oh, hi, I was going to ask for some comments regarding how the huwiki deployment has been going etc
[22:59:52] <Jarry1250>	 but I've just realised I have no time to discuss it now
[23:00:06] <Jarry1250>	 (a deadline is 72 hours earlier than I though it was)
[23:00:18] <Jarry1250>	 (I thought it was in 64 hours time, you can do the math)
[23:00:30] <Jarry1250>	 Perhaps you wouldn't mind dropp me a short email?
[23:00:34] <Jarry1250>	 *dropping
[23:00:44] <huh>	 Jarry1250: are you Hungarian?
[23:01:05] <Jarry1250>	 huh: Alas not, and I struggle to read it
[23:01:21] <Jarry1250>	 This is all in aide of the Signpost Tech Report
[23:01:28] <Jarry1250>	 (aid?)
[23:04:01] <huh>	 An aide is someone who aids, right?
[23:04:22] <Reedy>	 hoo?
[23:04:37] <huh>	 Yep, aide means "assistant" so "aid" is correct
[23:04:42] <Jarry1250>	 huh: Yes, I think so.
[23:05:15] <hoo>	 Jarry1250: Drop Lydia_WMD.E your email, I guess she'll answer it
[23:05:56] <Jarry1250>	 I think she has it tucked away somewhere already, Lyda_WMDE?
[23:06:00] <Jarry1250>	 *Lydia_WMDE?
[23:06:27] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Jarry1250: hmm? sorry - was distracted
[23:06:29] <Lydia_WMDE>	 and am sleepy
[23:06:37] <Lydia_WMDE>	 past midnight in wmde land
[23:06:46] <Jarry1250>	 Yes, it's not urgent.
[23:06:47] <Lydia_WMDE>	 yes sending me an email with questions would be best
[23:06:51] <Lydia_WMDE>	 cool
[23:07:26] <Jarry1250>	 Lydia_WMDE: What's your prefered email at the moment (feel free to PM)
[23:07:49] <Lydia_WMDE>	 lydia.pintscher at wikimedia.de
[23:08:15] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i have like a gazzilion more but that's the one for everything wikimedia ;-)
[23:08:39] <Jarry1250>	 Yes :)
[23:08:50] <Jarry1250>	 kk, will email tomorrow if I get a chance
[23:08:57] <Lydia_WMDE>	 excellent
[23:09:01] <Jarry1250>	 Otherwise, can I assume it's been only mildly problematic?
[23:09:16] <Jarry1250>	 i.e. a few bugs, but nothing killer?
[23:09:17] <Lydia_WMDE>	 actually it's been going fairly smoothly
[23:09:51] <Lydia_WMDE>	 so yeah - nothing major
[23:16:13] <Qcoder00>	 Hi
[23:16:15] <Jarry1250>	 Thanks
[23:16:27] <Qcoder00>	 Can someone tell me what the progress on Infobox is?
[23:21:00] <huh>	 Qcoder00: See Wikidata:Introduction
[23:21:43] <huh>	 https://en.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Introduction#What_do_we_have_so_far.3F