[00:03:09] <Merlissimo>	 Sannita  / Romaine: who will declare the admin reelection page open?
[00:03:29] <Sannita>	 Merlissimo: I have absolutely no idea
[00:04:02] <Romaine>	 someone who feels bold :)
[00:04:09] <Merlissimo>	 Jan 23 - Jan 27 - i think utc?
[00:04:32] <Merlissimo>	 Romaine: why do you have no voting section?
[00:06:27] <Romaine>	 where should I have one?
[00:06:46] <Merlissimo>	 Romaine: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Administrators/Confirm_2013#Jan_23_-_Jan_27
[00:07:20] <Romaine>	 apparently missed it
[00:08:22] <Romaine>	 the past days I was on travel for Wiki Loves Monuments, I am running behind apparantly
[00:10:12] <Merlissimo>	 i have already voted
[00:11:34] <Romaine>	 added myself
[00:12:58] <Romaine>	 why do I get 404's several times...?
[00:13:37] <Merlissimo>	 Romaine: after 0:05?
[00:13:47] <Romaine>	 about yes
[00:14:16] <Romaine>	 if I then go back and try to reopen the page, it does work...
[00:15:59] <Merlissimo>	 according to -operations all masters scheduled for today have switched until 0:05
[00:16:31] <Romaine>	 now again a 404
[00:16:55] <Romaine>	 and again
[00:17:24] <Romaine>	 and again
[00:18:54] <Romaine>	 mmm, why isnt it possible to have two labels with the same name?
[00:19:41] <Merlissimo>	 one item, one label per language
[00:20:53] <Romaine>	 mmm, if the label and description are the same sas another item, the saving is refused
[00:22:03] <Merlissimo>	 yes if both are equal
[00:22:10] <Merlissimo>	 but not label only
[00:22:42] <Romaine>	 is that really needed?
[00:24:46] <Merlissimo>	 how to identify the correct item you need if mutiple items have same name and description?
[00:26:18] <Merlissimo>	 thx Ajraddatz
[00:26:23] <rschen7754>	 are cofirmations live?
[00:26:25] <Ajraddatz>	 yes
[00:26:27] <Ajraddatz>	 oui
[00:26:44] <Ajraddatz>	 Sk!d wants them to go 7 days, which I'd be OK withm
[00:26:52] <Ajraddatz>	 with* (where did that m come from lol)
[00:26:59] <Ajraddatz>	 but idk, there's a discussion on the talk page
[00:27:16] <Jasper_Deng>	 Ajraddatz: How about this - 7 days if there's sufficient chance the candidate will get enough if extended
[00:27:28] <Jasper_Deng>	 like, if a user is at 6/7 or 7/8....
[00:29:01] <Jasper_Deng>	 If the user gets enough in 5 days, like 8/8, then no point in waiting another 2
[00:29:04] <rschen7754>	 man, i tune out for an hour to take care of the enwp drama and we've redefined admins here :P
[00:29:10] <Merlissimo>	 i also have to start my reelection for dewiki bureaucratship this week. so votemania for me ;-)
[00:30:55] <rschen7754>	 hm, now i actually have to think about how i'm going to vote
[00:33:45] <rschen7754>	 woo 4094
[00:33:50] <Merlissimo>	 how to announce that voting has started? e.g. on watchlist header?
[00:34:19] <Jasper_Deng>	 why not?
[00:34:33] <Jasper_Deng>	 though project chat has been effective....
[00:34:55] <rschen7754>	 seems that we'll be losing a lot of admins...
[00:35:11] <Jasper_Deng>	 which is probably a good thing
[00:35:17] * Jasper_Deng  thought we had too many inactive ones

[00:35:53] <rschen7754>	 yeah, we did
[00:38:18] * Jasper_Deng  finds himself agreeing a lot with Ajraddatz

[00:38:57] <Ajraddatz>	 I announced via sitenotice (don't really care if it's standard practice on wikimedia, it's practical :P)
[00:39:03] <Ajraddatz>	 a project chat notice could work
[00:39:22] <rschen7754>	 i've seen it on some other WMF sites
[00:39:30] <Jasper_Deng>	 Why not both?
[00:39:31] <rschen7754>	 enwikinews i think
[00:39:35] <Ajraddatz>	 both would work
[00:39:43] <Jasper_Deng>	 Ajraddatz: though tbh I'd prefer watchlist notice over sitenotice
[00:39:55] <Merlissimo>	 +1
[00:39:57] <Ajraddatz>	 Why? You'd prefer less people to see it?
[00:40:16] <Ajraddatz>	 Sitenotice can be dismissed and doesn't show up for anons anyways.
[00:40:26] <Merlissimo>	 Ajraddatz: if sitenotice, then we also need an empty anonsitenotice
[00:40:30] <Jasper_Deng>	 kinda.... sitenotice might encourage people who aren't that active here to !vote
[00:40:42] <Ajraddatz>	 Sitenotice *should* just ping users. 
[00:41:28] <Ajraddatz>	 hm
[00:41:41] <Ajraddatz>	 I was wrong. Last time I used sitenotice was on Wikia, they must work it differently there...
[00:43:45] <Merlissimo>	 Ajraddatz: are you creating MediaWiki:Anonnotice?
[00:43:51] <Merlissimo>	 i have to sleep
[00:43:59] <Ajraddatz>	 it auto-exists with "-", but I'll try that
[00:44:04] <Ajraddatz>	 thanks for the tip
[00:44:56] <Ajraddatz>	 Bah, I hate opposing RfAs (and equivilents)
[00:45:11] <Ajraddatz>	 but I don't want adminship here to turn into a trophy that people just collects and then let gather dust on the shelf
[00:45:22] <Merlissimo>	 also http://de.wikidata.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Sitenotice_id should be increased
[00:45:39] * Jasper_Deng  helps Ajraddatz dispose of dusty mops

[00:45:56] <Ajraddatz>	 but it's the first sitenotice lol
[00:46:11] <Ajraddatz>	 as you wish :p
[00:46:38] <Ajraddatz>	 (the id is for resetting the dismiss button iirc, so it doesn't matter because nobody has dismissed the lack of a sitenotice before :p)
[00:46:39] <Sven_Manguard>	 Hello. Anyone else gettingL
[00:46:42] <Sven_Manguard>	 Not Found
[00:46:44] <Sven_Manguard>	 The requested URL /w/index.php was not found on this server.
[00:46:44] <Ajraddatz>	 oui
[00:46:45] <Sven_Manguard>	 Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
[00:46:48] <Ajraddatz>	 just refresh
[00:46:50] <Sven_Manguard>	 when they try to edit?
[00:46:52] <Ajraddatz>	 and the refresh again
[00:46:53] <Sven_Manguard>	 Yeah, I have
[00:46:58] <Sven_Manguard>	 and I get it eventually
[00:47:02] <Ajraddatz>	 yeah
[00:47:04] <Sven_Manguard>	 but I'm a patient person (not really)
[00:47:09] <Ajraddatz>	 hehe
[00:47:12] <Sven_Manguard>	 this is still a "bad thing"
[00:48:30] <Jasper_Deng>	 I don't get it that often
[00:51:36] <Jasper_Deng>	 It's amusing to note that not a single non-admin has !voted yet
[00:51:41] <Jasper_Deng>	 it shows that we have too many
[00:51:56] <Sven_Manguard>	 Ajraddatz: you edit conflicted me
[00:52:00] <Sven_Manguard>	 you monster :P
[00:52:09] <Ajraddatz>	 :D
[00:54:04] <Romaine>	 Sven_Manguard: I do have 404's every couple of minutes or so :S
[00:54:17] <Sven_Manguard>	 I got 12 in a row just a second ago
[00:55:06] <Ajraddatz>	 Is everyone happy with how I set up the confirmation page?
[00:55:13] <Romaine>	 20+ or so
[00:55:27] <Romaine>	 Ajraddatz: about that yes
[00:55:30] <Ajraddatz>	 I mean, I wasn't expecting anyone to say "no let me do it" because quite frankly it was a pain to make :P
[00:55:37] * Jasper_Deng  trouts Sven_Manguard

[00:55:38] <Romaine>	 Ajraddatz: about how you think you can judge other admins, no
[00:55:50] <Jasper_Deng>	 you forgot to sign - http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Administrators/Confirm_2013/1#Merlissimo_.28talk_.E2.80.A2_contribs_.E2.80.A2_log_actions.29
[00:55:52] <rschen7754>	 yeah, i just hope that people will care enough about my reconfirmation at the very end :P
[00:55:56] <Ajraddatz>	 As I said, I don't want adminship to just turn into a trophy that people collect.
[00:56:16] <Romaine>	 apparently there are one/two admins taking all the fish out of the water before another admin is able to do that
[00:56:34] <Romaine>	 and there are very few log actions to be made
[00:56:39] <rschen7754>	 though it's gotten better - there was a time when a deletion request sat there for 50 minutes this week
[00:56:54] <Ajraddatz>	 Though, you're active enough that I was going to change to support. If you think that you'll still be active, and don't want to get everyone else to do stuff for you then that's fine by me.
[00:56:55] <Ajraddatz>	 Yeah, because of a couple of people there is little to do (even for me :( )
[00:57:21] <rschen7754>	 imho log actions aren't a huge deal since we have no backlogs, but no activity at all is worrying
[00:57:25] <Romaine>	 so you want to be opposed yourself purely of the over-activty of someone else?
[00:58:19] <Ajraddatz>	 No, I've managed to stay active through that.
[00:58:36] <Romaine>	 I was away for a Wiki Loves monuments preparation meeting the past days, but yes I am certainly going to be active: I was trying on to remove the backlog of items without labels
[00:58:37] <Ajraddatz>	 But when people have done less than ten actions of any kind in 3 months, it is concerning.
[00:59:16] <Romaine>	 if I had requested earlier, I would have done more actions
[00:59:35] <Ajraddatz>	 Don't worry, I've changed my vote. You've proven to me that you can use them, and there was obviously never an issue of trust.
[00:59:56] <Romaine>	 on a normal project it is worring when someone does less than 10 actions
[01:00:18] <Romaine>	 but I must say, the developers have done good working in preventing problems on Wikidata
[01:00:32] <Ajraddatz>	 Yeah, I've been impressed with that too.
[01:00:33] * Jasper_Deng  pokes Jeblad_WMDE

[01:00:43] <Romaine>	 Ajraddatz: but thank you
[01:01:09] <Ajraddatz>	 Heh, don't thank me, hate me for rushing to judge you. I was looking too much at the numbers and not enough at the candidate.
[01:01:30] <Romaine>	 I do not hate people, there are other people working to hard for
[01:02:57] <Romaine>	 and I had a very good meeting last weekend, I am much enthousiastic :
[01:02:58] <Romaine>	 :)
[01:04:16] <Ajraddatz>	 Well, that's good to hear :P
[01:04:43] <Romaine>	 but I have a growth on annoying 404's :S
[01:05:09] <Ajraddatz>	 Me too, I had to refresh a good 20 times with the last one D:
[01:05:38] <Romaine>	 :S
[01:06:44] <Jasper_Deng>	 404's currently being discussed in #wikimedia-tech
[01:06:58] * Riley  feels bad for being inactive

[01:07:09] <Ajraddatz>	 then don't be :D
[01:07:32] <Riley>	 I'll try and find some time later tonight ;)
[01:08:05] * Jasper_Deng  is worried with only 871 edits

[01:10:07] <Romaine>	 I am more worried about the 404;s
[01:49:35] <Romaine>	 mmm, how are we are going to work away the backlog of adding titles to new items?
[01:50:51] <Jasper_Deng>	 make a bot for it?
[01:51:28] <Romaine>	 in one minute, more than 50 items are created :S
[01:51:45] <Romaine>	 in 2 minutes
[01:54:27] <Hazard-Away>	 Romaine, Jasper_Deng: Titles aren't exactly obvious things to "guess" to insert :S
[01:54:48] <Jasper_Deng>	 Hazard-Away: if a script can do it, so can a bot
[01:55:25] <Hazard-Away>	 Jasper_Deng: I didn't say it wasn't possible, the only concerns are about accuracy.
[01:55:39] <Jasper_Deng>	 well much of the deletions these days clean up after the bots, so....
[01:55:50] <Romaine>	 for a part titles are already given in by a bot if the article has an English article
[01:59:26] <Hazard-Away>	 Romaine: Some bots automatically add a title when creating items
[01:59:46] <Hazard-Away>	 I think Sk!d's bot added for de only
[01:59:53] <Hazard-Away>	 etc.
[02:00:18] <Hazard-Away>	 So even with that, the other languages have no titles set.
[02:00:43] <Romaine>	 I still think at least each item should have an English item and better even more
[02:02:08] * Jasper_Deng  would think that's language discrimination

[02:02:16] <Jasper_Deng>	 Wikidata is multi-lingual
[02:02:20] * Hazard-Away  agrees with Jasper_Deng

[02:02:53] <Hazard-Away>	 We have ways of doing these, but accuracy is the main issue
[02:04:16] <Romaine>	 it is not language discrimination, it is making items readable for most people in the world
[02:04:57] <Jasper_Deng>	 the majority of people in the world don't speak English
[02:06:14] <Romaine>	 I think you know what I mean
[02:13:04] <Hazard-Away>	 Romaine: Don't tell me we need a SineBot too ;) You forgot to sign
[02:13:24] <Romaine>	 dont worry, in aminute I add more lines
[02:13:28] <Hazard-Away>	 OK
[02:13:29] <Romaine>	 I pressed enter by mistake
[02:14:05] <Hazard-Away>	 OK
[02:18:29] <Romaine>	 now it is
[02:43:41] <Hazard-SJ>	 Romaine: I see you're translating :P
[02:44:06] <Romaine>	 :)
[02:44:39] <Romaine>	 well,  I thought I do one line, but just as on meta, you can't stop translating until it is finished ;) :P
[02:44:45] <Sven_Manguard>	 [21:30]	TimStarling	the wikidata/wikivoyage 404 issue should be fixed now
[02:44:52] <Sven_Manguard>	 Just saying
[02:44:58] <Sven_Manguard>	 in case no one saw
[02:45:58] <Romaine>	 ge=reat!
[02:47:16] * Jasper_Deng  observes how the adminship reconfirmations have died down after that initial flurry of !votes

[02:47:56] <Hazard-SJ>	 :P
[02:48:41] <Hazard-SJ>	 Our first set of "permanent" administrators :O
[02:49:53] <Jasper_Deng>	 Hazard-SJ: you weren't on when I said it, but every !voter so far except one has been an admin him/herself xD
[02:49:53] <Romaine>	 there is too less to be done for admins yet
[02:50:16] <duh>	 API question: How does one delete a sitelink? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Wikibase/API#wbsetsitelink doesnt explain how to
[02:55:26] <Romaine>	 translations done
[03:02:33] <Hazard-SJ>	 Jasper_Deng_away: Maybe I should just not vote so they can be closed "fairly" then ;)
[03:03:51] <Hazard-SJ>	 Romaine: "Task forces" has the same translation in Dutch?
[03:04:00] <Hazard-SJ>	 as in English, that is...
[03:04:28] <Romaine>	 yes
[03:04:53] <Hazard-SJ>	 Okay :)
[03:04:55] <Romaine>	 in Dutch we use the English as borrowing word
[03:13:24] <Hazard-SJ>	 Okay
[03:16:38] <rschen7754>	 all right made it through all the votes for this rund
[03:16:40] <rschen7754>	 *round
[03:49:01] <Hazard-SJ>	 Only five out of nine reconfirmations seem to be on their way to passing :O
[03:51:02] <Moe_Epsilon>	 :S
[03:54:14] <rschen7754>	 !
[03:54:44] <duh>	 so uh…anyone know the answer to my question?
[04:00:11] <rschen7754>	 no… duh!
[04:00:12] <rschen7754>	 :P
[04:00:22] <duh>	 :(
[04:00:54] <duh>	 Merlissimo might?
[04:10:04] <Hazard-SJ>	 Did it change from 75% to 80%? :O
[04:10:05] <Hazard-SJ>	 (support needed for a successful RfA)
[04:11:56] <Jasper_Deng>	 not that I know of
[04:15:50] <duh>	 It says 80% on the page
[04:16:46] <Jasper_Deng>	 wat
[04:17:03] * Jasper_Deng  is going to sort that out tommorow

[04:17:55] <duh>	 "Jasper Deng".sort()
[04:21:17] * Jasper_Deng  gives duh a compile error

[04:21:31] <duh>	 python doesn't get compile errors :D
[04:22:35] <wolfgang42>	 Neither can you sort a string in python
[04:23:33] <duh>	 wolfgang42: ssh
[04:23:38] <duh>	 Jasper_Deng doesn't know python!
[04:24:13] * wolfgang42  mutters and opens a terminal

[04:24:24] <wolfgang42>	 AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'sort'
[04:25:40] <duh>	 "Jasper_Deng".split().sort()
[04:26:17] * Jasper_Deng  takes up 4 GB of RAM

[04:28:56] <Moe_Epsilon>	 :s
[04:29:39] * Moe_Epsilon  gives Jasper_Deng a partitioning

[08:19:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(hotfix) fix to selenium protected page object" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45304
[08:19:25] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45304
[08:34:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(minor) selenium: only run client qunit tests on client" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45306
[08:34:22] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45306
[08:41:48] <Romaine>	 good morning
[09:27:35] <Jeblad_WMDE>	 Tobi_WMDE: $wgWBSettings['multilang-limits']['length'] = 250;
[09:31:34] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44973
[09:49:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(hotfix) wrong order of parameters in messages" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45309
[10:14:20] <lbenedix>	 is someone here, who can help me with my dev-environment for wikidata?
[10:18:21] <Silke_WMDE>	 Tobi_WMDE: $wgWBSettings['localClientDatabases'] = array( 'enwiki' => 'devclient' );
[10:26:16] <Tobi_WMDE>	 Jeblad_WMDE: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/45309/
[10:29:13] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45309
[10:32:07] <lbenedix>	 the installation-part of http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Wikibase is still not working
[10:35:12] <wm-bot>	 Change on 12mediawiki a page Extension:Wikibase was modified, changed by Lbenedix link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=633390 edit summary: [+107] that is what i have done to get it to work
[10:38:29] <Merlissimo>	 duh: overriding the old sitelink with an empty "" sitelink causes an internal remove action
[10:38:50] <duh>	 ah thanks :)
[10:44:03] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44995
[10:46:43] <Tobi_WMDE>	 Jeblad_WMDE: merged it
[10:46:51] <Jeblad_WMDE>	 oki
[11:01:33] <aude>	 Henning_WMDE: Tobi_WMDE Danwe_WMDE https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44276 :/
[11:02:02] <aude>	 takes me more than 5 minutes to figure it out, so maybe i'm not the best person to fix it right now
[11:02:20] <Danwe_WMDE>	 lets see
[11:02:39] <aude>	 if we can flip the order of the span, then it's good
[11:05:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(testing) selenium tests for label/description/aliases length constraints" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45313
[11:10:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(hotfix) fixing entitieswithoutlabel-test in chrome" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45315
[11:10:53] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45315
[11:24:37] <Jeblad_WMDE>	 Danwe_WMDE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkNxbyp6thM
[11:29:46] <lbenedix>	 can someone help me with my dev-environment? i cant add any links to a creted item
[11:46:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "Updated site link table fixation for IE" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45318
[12:11:11] <Silke_WMDE>	 lbenedix: why not? what happens?
[12:49:18] <lbenedix>	 i installed the wikibase-extension and in the links-section on the item-pages i read "Links to pages are already set for all known sites."
[12:49:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "(bug 43997) UI for linking articles to Wikidata from the client - WIP" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45114
[12:50:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aude; "added autocomplete for sites in patchset 3" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45114
[12:52:04] <Silke_WMDE>	 o_< I have never seen that. I'm afraid I won't be able to help you now, as I have to finish stuff before our code freeze and demo time. Sorry for that!
[12:52:34] <Denny_WMDE>	 lbenedix: did you run populateInterwiki?
[12:53:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aude; "found a few typos in name of SitesModule" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45114
[12:53:36] <lbenedix>	 Denny_WMDE: no
[12:55:14] <Denny_WMDE>	 try that
[12:56:05] <lbenedix>	 that script is in the client-part, i thougt i add links in the repo...
[12:56:10] <lbenedix>	 but i'll try
[12:56:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "(bug 42688) terms search key schema update for sqlite" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43673
[12:57:24] <aude>	 lbenedix: try the populateSites script in lib
[12:57:45] <aude>	 (it needs to be moved to core, but it's currently in WikibaseLib)
[12:58:31] <lbenedix>	 btw: the install-instruction is not up to date
[12:58:42] <aude>	 hmmm.... on the wiki?
[12:58:53] <lbenedix>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension:Wikibase
[12:59:37] <lbenedix>	 and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Wikibase_Client
[12:59:58] <Lydia_WMDE>	 lbenedix: is it a lot or just small stuff?
[13:00:31] <lbenedix>	 when i tried following the instructions it doesn't work, hoo helped me a few days ago
[13:00:33] * Silke_WMDE  is supporting lbenedix: Our documentation is not up to date.

[13:00:49] <Silke_WMDE>	 ALL: ONE HOUR TO GO!
[13:01:05] <Lydia_WMDE>	 lbenedix: ok - do you think we can go through it when you're here?
[13:02:17] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44977
[13:03:18] <lbenedix>	 Lydia_WMDE: here is what i tried 4 days ago: http://lb.bombenlabor.de/ba/wikidata_installation.txt
[13:03:34] <Lydia_WMDE>	 looking
[13:03:40] <lbenedix>	 the instruction for WikiBase is better now
[13:04:05] <lbenedix>	 i dont know if Extension:Wikibase_Client is still needed
[13:05:10] <wm-bot>	 Change on 12mediawiki a page Extension:Wikibase was modified, changed by Aude link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=633466 edit summary: [+678] /* Installation */ populateSitesTable
[13:05:20] <aude>	 added some stuff
[13:05:51] <aude>	 lbenedix: client is not needed if you are just working on something repo / wikidata specific
[13:06:13] <aude>	 if interested in the wikipedia integration part, then client is needed though it's recommended to install it on a separate wiki
[13:06:30] <lbenedix>	 i dont want to do anything with the client, but i noticed, that wikibaselib is still linked there
[13:06:34] <aude>	 and the setup is a little bit more involved....
[13:07:09] <lbenedix>	 so its probably out of date like the wikibase-instruction 4 days ago
[13:07:25] <aude>	 lbenedix: the client does use wikibase lib, if that's what you are asking
[13:07:50] <lbenedix>	 ok
[13:08:02] <aude>	 we do need to update the docs though
[13:08:34] <aude>	 there's some new stuff in the client for propagating changes to the client, though it's somewhat optional
[13:08:49] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45318
[13:11:07] <lbenedix>	 are there any plans for something like a default-language if a lable/desctiption/... is not translated to the users language?
[13:11:54] <aude>	 lbenedix: i think denny is working on something like that, but not sure exactly the details or status
[13:12:06] <lbenedix>	 ok
[13:12:07] <aude>	 it would be based on babel box info for a user i think
[13:18:45] <lbenedix>	 i have no idea how to make it obvious, that the users language is not available while showing the default-languae. but i'm not an interface-designer ;)
[13:27:18] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Aude; "this appears fixed in some other patch" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43674
[13:28:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "add $wgContentHandlerUseDB = true; to example settings" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43685
[13:28:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aude; "rebased" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43685
[13:29:13] * Silke_WMDE  is now playing with DNS entries for the new demo server. You might notice it. :)

[13:29:36] <aude>	 heh :)
[13:30:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "New RepoApiError constructor handling wikibase API errors" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45116
[13:32:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "Using RepoApiError in EditableValue" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45141
[13:32:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "Making wb.Tooltip use wb.RepoApiError instead of custom object" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45152
[13:32:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "wikibase.RepoApiError QUnit tests" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45158
[13:35:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aude; "In https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/43673/, we found an issue with CREATE INDEX in older versions ..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37485
[13:37:37] * Silke_WMDE  whip whip! Merge all the changes!

[13:44:19] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45116
[13:51:04] <Silke_WMDE>	 Jeblad_WMDE: Is it working?
[13:51:21] <Jeblad_WMDE>	 Description on mail
[13:53:15] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45141
[13:54:13] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45152
[13:54:20] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45158
[13:55:58] <DanielK_WMDE>	 Marius_WMDE: would you have a look at another abusefilter change? https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/45148/
[13:56:12] <DanielK_WMDE>	 it pretty much blocks use of the abusefilter on wikidata.org
[13:56:38] <Marius_WMDE>	 Looking ;)
[14:00:33] <Silke_WMDE>	 COOOOOOOOOODE FREEEEEZE
[14:02:01] <aude>	 panic!
[14:07:54] <Silke_WMDE>	 dev wants a reboot.
[14:14:34] <lbenedix>	 adding links to my wikibase-installation works but it behaves strange
[14:14:51] <lbenedix>	 when i click add and than cancel i cant edit anything else
[14:14:57] <lbenedix>	 http://lb.bombenlabor.de/ba/mediawiki/index.php/Item:Q2
[14:15:04] <aude>	 hmmmm....
[14:17:28] <aude>	 lbenedix: i see a bunch of console.log() and commented out stuff around the point where JS shows an error
[14:17:54] <aude>	 migth be something *experimental* and suggest asking Henning_WMDE  or Tobi_WMDE (both at lunch now)
[14:20:27] <lbenedix>	 it has something to do with one of my extensions. i want to identify, what type of edit an user did
[14:20:55] <Marius_WMDE>	 lbenedix: Is that the thing you asked me about some days ago?
[14:20:57] <aude>	 lbenedix: do you have the PostEdit extension?
[14:21:01] <lbenedix>	 that works for label alias and description
[14:21:07] <aude>	 e.g. the thing that is on wikipedia
[14:21:25] <lbenedix>	 is that working with wikidata?
[14:21:39] * aude  does not see any ext.wikidataPostEdit.js anywhere in wikibase

[14:21:44] <aude>	 lbenedix: it might be
[14:21:51] <aude>	 but not a default extension
[14:21:51] <lbenedix>	 that is my extension
[14:22:05] <aude>	 ah, ok
[14:22:08] <aude>	 makes more sense
[14:22:49] <aude>	 well, something is not quite right there and the JS throws an error, so one can't add more site links, etc.
[14:24:46] <lbenedix>	 i register on stopItemPageEditMode and read __toolbarParent and API_VALUE_KEY from the second parameter
[14:26:24] <Marius_WMDE>	 lbenedix: Once again, these things aren't meant for others to hook up into...
[14:26:49] <Marius_WMDE>	 It might work or have worked, but it's super ugly
[14:27:58] <lbenedix>	 is there or will there be a better way to do that?
[15:06:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Kinzler; "Looks good, but there's a major efficiency concern." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44074
[16:08:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fix extension path" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45333
[16:39:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Tobias Gritschacher; "I ran the Selenium Client-Repo-Propagation tests using the dispatcher-script and they passed." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43621
[16:43:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(minor) adjusting client selenium tests for dispatcher script" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45335
[16:46:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Make use of new sites code in core" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44074
[16:46:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Make use of new sites code in core" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44074
[16:47:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "lol, gerrit rebase button is full of fail" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44074
[16:47:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Make use of new sites code in core" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44074
[17:07:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tpt; "Add Special:ItemsWithoutLinks that list all items without any site link" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45336
[17:07:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aude; "this works well enough (and passes tests) to approve, although we could use a little bit of polish a..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43621
[17:07:38] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aude; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43621
[17:16:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "Mark ChangesTable testSaveSelectCountAndDelete as skipped on Wikibase Client" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45338
[17:21:57] <Silke_WMDE_>	 The demo server is back to life and up to date with today's code.
[17:22:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Great :)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45336
[17:26:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: John Erling Blad; "This makes an assumption that there will be very few items without sitelinks. That isn't necessarily..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45336
[17:48:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "Correct SiteLinksEditTool table fixation" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45342
[17:56:08] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Daniel Kinzler; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44074
[17:59:39] <Abraham_WMDE>	 DanielK_WMDE_: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Development/Current_sprint
[18:14:24] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45333
[18:18:09] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 Abraham_WMDE: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44292
[18:18:39] <Abraham_WMDE>	 DanielK_WMDE_: thx
[18:36:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Tpt; ""This makes an assumption that there will be very few items without sitelinks."" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45336
[18:38:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; ""This makes an assumption that there will be very few items without sitelinks."" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45336
[18:48:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Add some tests for ChangeNotificationJob." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45350
[18:55:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Raimond Spekking; "i18n review inside" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43621
[19:38:35] <benestar>	 jeroendedauw_: hey
[19:38:43] <benestar>	 the site id hting is a bit tricky
[19:52:44] <aude>	 DanielK_WMDE_: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/44069/
[19:59:14] <JD|cloud>	 Wiki13: admin confirmations
[20:00:01] <Wiki13>	 your reason?
[20:00:09] <Wiki13>	 if you do it
[20:05:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: John Erling Blad; "I was thinking about the situation where there are created a lot of items without sitelinks, because..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45336
[20:05:29] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Daniel Kinzler; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45338
[20:06:29] <benestar>	 Jyothis: hi
[20:07:15] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Daniel Kinzler; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43685
[20:20:12] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Daniel Kinzler; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43673
[20:20:40] <jeroendedauw_>	 benestar how so? (im back in 5 min)
[20:20:54] <benestar>	 jeroendedauw_: I will commit it in a few minutes
[20:35:19] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Daniel Kinzler; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44069
[20:36:16] <JeroenDeDauw>	 benestar yes?
[20:36:39] <benestar>	 JeroenDeDauw: there are lots of functions now :/
[20:36:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Kinzler; "This is really pretty generic, right? Shouldn't this go into core?" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34240
[20:36:43] <benestar>	 but it works :)
[20:36:48] <JeroenDeDauw>	 benestar??
[20:37:01] <JeroenDeDauw>	 benestar I don't see any new patchset
[20:37:12] <benestar>	 well, there is still a bug
[20:37:21] <benestar>	 I am working really hard at the moment
[20:38:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aude; "maybe puppet then, or probably just my github.  I had script for pollforchanges here to run constant..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34240
[20:40:57] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Aude; "can't be troubled with puppet and gerrit, so github it is! :)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34240
[20:42:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Bene; "(bug 43870 - bug 43871 - bug 43872) New Special Pages to edit entities without javascript" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43583
[20:42:43] <benestar>	 JeroenDeDauw: --^
[20:45:23] <benestar>	 JeroenDeDauw: what do you think?
[20:46:03] <JeroenDeDauw>	 benestar ill has a look
[20:47:18] <JeroenDeDauw>	 benestar sorry, but you really did not fix the issue here
[20:48:28] <JeroenDeDauw>	 benestar: you can simply not determine a site based on just a language
[20:48:31] <benestar>	 hu?
[20:48:34] <JeroenDeDauw>	 no matter how much magic you do
[20:48:42] <benestar>	 JeroenDeDauw: were am I doing it now?
[20:48:47] <JeroenDeDauw>	 You need something that identifies the site as input
[20:48:56] <benestar>	 JeroenDeDauw: I did so
[20:49:13] <JeroenDeDauw>	 \Sites::singleton()->getSite( $language );
[20:49:19] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Is that wrongly named then?
[20:49:26] <benestar>	 JeroenDeDauw: yes, seems so
[20:49:37] <benestar>	 I promise you that it is the site id ;)
[20:51:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Bene; "(bug 43870 - bug 43871 - bug 43872) New Special Pages to edit entities without javascript" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/43583
[20:51:39] <benestar>	 JeroenDeDauw: renamed, but it was correct before, too
[20:52:18] <benestar>	 JeroenDeDauw: the getLanguageForm method has to be overwritten :(
[20:57:22] <JeroenDeDauw>	 benestar|afk: hmm I guess it's fine for now
[20:58:27] <JeroenDeDauw>	 benestar|afk: you know, I'd really prefer you splitting the sitelink special off into its own commit
[20:58:35] <JeroenDeDauw>	 benestar|afk:  then the rest can be merged
[21:00:23] <Jyothis>	 benestar|afk: hola
[22:46:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added toArray method to DiffOp interface" [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45479
[23:15:20] <JD|cloud>	 Sannita: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Bureaucrats#Proposal_2_-_bureaucrats_have_technical_ability_to_remove_translationadmin <--- you're the only one I see here who can close this one
[23:15:22] <JD|cloud>	 (also Riley)
[23:19:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added DiffOpFactory" [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45487