[10:10:11] Lydia_WMDE: good morning :) [10:10:14] are you here? [12:01:52] Change merged: Daniel Kinzler; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45759 [12:19:26] * benestar has created a really nice script [12:19:36] anybody interested n it? [12:19:55] * kondi raises hand [12:20:17] kondi: do you have enabled SitelinkCheck gadget? [12:20:34] I guess [12:20:45] it now can automatically create a new item with all langlinks already imported [12:21:55] nice :) I'd try it [12:22:15] :) [12:28:39] how does the site link check work? [12:29:42] aude: I created kind of an api [12:29:51] where do i see it? [12:29:55] the other gadgets should use it, too [12:29:57] * aude creating an item now :) [12:29:58] wait [12:30:06] aude: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-wikibase.js [12:30:41] ok [12:30:48] I will include this api in the other gadgets too, ok? [12:31:02] it is better then copy&paste [12:33:47] kondi: does it work, or did you find any bugs? [12:33:50] aude: too [12:34:12] ok, it worked [12:34:16] it's in the sidebar [12:34:55] ;) [12:34:59] * aude likes having it here http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:CreateItem [12:35:16] saves me troubl eof creating a duplicate item [12:35:33] should it be enabled by default now? [12:35:46] I already mentioned it but there was no consensus [12:35:58] aude: or we will integrate it into the extension [12:36:01] * aude thinks so but it's just my personal opinion [12:36:21] having it in the extension would be cool, so it's there by default for everyone [12:36:33] :) [12:36:42] i'm not sure about the "import everything" checkboxes though.... might need consensus for that [12:36:49] aude: is there a javascript functoin built in to parse wikitext? [12:37:05] what do you mean? what text? [12:37:10] perhaps we could disable them for anonymous users [12:37:19] the api has a action=parse method [12:37:22] aude: the api messages contain wikitext [12:37:34] I really don't like that at all [12:37:35] ah, that's a known issue [12:37:55] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-January/065987.html [12:37:55] there is no mw.blablabal function? [12:38:15] benestar: I couldn't find anything article that's not on wikidata :\ [12:38:18] i'm not as much into the front end stuff so don't know [12:38:34] i think there might be light wikitext parsing but that's all [12:38:43] after all, it's super complicated [12:38:51] that*s true [12:39:09] the visual editor people might come up with something better but don't know details [12:39:36] when will that stuff be published? [12:39:43] don't know [12:40:11] you might talk to them in #mediawiki-visualeditor or #mediawiki-parsoid (i think) [12:40:27] it's the weekend, of course, so they might not be there now [12:40:57] :/ [12:41:08] and middle of the night in SF [12:41:08] aude: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/JavaScript_parsing_library [12:41:16] * aude clicks [12:41:22] seems not to be developed so far [12:41:41] doesn't look like it went anywhere [12:42:12] hm, it was created in march 2011 [12:42:52] aude: would it be a new extension? [12:43:00] or just a new feature? [12:43:17] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/JqueryMsg#mediawiki.jqueryMsg [12:43:23] that does some simple stuff [12:43:49] benestar: looks abandoned, but the visual editor and parsoid must do some js parsing [12:44:20] parsoid uses node.js so i think there's still some backend pieec [12:44:24] but it would be js [12:45:00] lol [12:45:05] and only does basic stuff so far [12:45:11] aude: https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=VisualEditor:Test&useskin=vector [12:45:15] stuff like tables and templates are complicated [12:45:46] hmmm, interesting [12:46:08] it has tables :) [12:46:25] looks quite good already [12:46:48] yeah [12:47:17] refs can't be edited :( [12:47:17] the jqueryMsg thing might be more what we need for api messages, though [12:47:30] let me have a look [12:47:39] but we also need to improve how we communicate api messages to the UI or bots [12:50:04] well, we could send the keys only [12:50:13] and the messages are loaded by javascript [12:50:29] right [12:50:29] or we implement a lang parameter for the api [12:50:44] but not sure that works for bots [12:50:48] so api.php?actoin=wbgetentities&lang=de [12:50:58] aude: why need bots translated messages? [12:51:14] I think they can work better with codes [12:51:43] Sk1d: lol [12:51:49] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Errors_and_warnings#Errors [12:51:54] here, they have codes and "info" [12:51:59] looks like we can do both [12:52:19] the codes would be better and could be "mapped" to message keys [12:52:49] not sure how to pass parameters in the error, maybe in the "info" [12:53:29] that's the subject of daniel's wikitech email, so it's seems an open question [12:54:41] aude: how to use theis mw.jqueryMsg module? [12:55:04] it's not well documented [12:55:38] * aude would have to look at the code or talk to nikerabbit, siebrand, etc. [12:55:55] I still do not understand the ResourceLoader thing [12:56:20] * aude doesn't 100% understand it either but is learning [13:01:57] Sk1d: why don't you simply check the checkbox to turn the gadget on? [13:29:50] I did it [13:30:10] but i though maybe other users just see hm the gedaged does not work anymore never mind... [13:47:15] aude: juhuuu [13:47:24] I got it, but only by the source code :P [13:47:34] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/41808/16/tests/qunit/suites/resources/mediawiki/mediawiki.jqueryMsg.test.js <-- was quite helpful [13:50:06] good [13:50:38] it does not support lists [13:50:41] :( [13:51:00] :( [13:51:10] it's quite basic [13:51:14] that's true [13:55:39] aude: create a new patch? [13:57:54] for waht? [13:57:56] what? [13:58:01] the lists [13:58:25] you could [13:58:31] I guess it is hardre than it looks like [13:58:39] * aude has no idea how difficult it is [13:59:01] i would consult with Nikerabbit and see what he thinks [13:59:11] you have to replace * with

[13:59:23] sure :) [13:59:57] but there can be lists with more then one entry :P [14:00:05] yep [14:00:09] Nikerabbit: poke [14:00:36] aude: how is it done in hte "real" parser? [14:00:42] perhaps we can adapt the logic [14:04:58] i have no idea [14:05:24] but sure it's a bit complicated, though doesn't mean it's not doable [14:05:44] there's the php parser stuff in mediawiki and then there is the parsoid stuff [14:36:53] aude: how to chekc if the user is logged in? (mw.??? ) [14:41:44] mw.user.isAnon() [14:41:54] but make sure you have loaded the mediawiki.user module first [14:42:01] (if it's not there) [14:46:42] thx [14:47:37] * aude back in bit.... [15:57:44] good afternoon! [15:57:59] same to you [15:58:31] Romaine: how are you [15:59:03] fine, you? [15:59:52] me too :) [16:00:09] do you use the gadget Sitelinkcheck? [16:00:50] I don't knwo [16:00:59] ? [16:01:01] I havbe some items marked in the preferences [16:02:42] but you don't know which? [16:17:03] remembering names I am always worse with [16:17:26] looking in my preferences: I see SiteLinkCheck been enabled [17:00:51] hi JeroenDeDauw :) [17:01:09] benestar hey [17:01:36] JeroenDeDauw: do you want to test the Gadget SitelinkCheck? [17:02:01] I worked on it today and now you can create items containing all interwikilninks at once [17:03:00] grrr, i18n still messed :/ [19:27:50] benestar hmm, are you the guy that was at the office last week? [19:28:29] * JeroenDeDauw is confused [19:29:01] benestar your nick on gerrit is Bene right? [19:29:58] benestar uh, you did exactly what I recommended against doing [19:30:30] JeroenDeDauw: hi [19:30:35] on gerrit Bene [19:30:39] on wikidata Bene* [19:31:19] JeroenDeDauw: that was hoo man [19:31:28] ;) [19:31:38] is it possible to use the https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Template:CC-BY-SA and https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Template:CC0 on wikidata.org? [19:31:50] aude: aaaaaaaaah, why can't people use numbers to name themselves or something [19:32:19] lbenedix: i'd leave it to denny and the lawyers [19:32:25] i think they have some text in mind [19:32:30] i only talk about the Templates [19:32:32] for copyright [19:32:44] i have no idea how to add a Template [19:32:46] where would we use the templates? [19:32:56] i'm sure it's fine to copy the templates over [19:32:59] lbenedix: we can import it, but not sure if it is sensefull [19:33:09] or can't we? [19:33:12] but not like we are uploading pictures (or maybe we are?) [19:33:12] why not... Wikidata is CC0 [19:33:34] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Design issues as discussed on IRC" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45574 [19:33:51] benestar uh, you did exactly what I recommended against doing [19:33:54] ??? [19:34:04] I dont know if the discussions on wikidata.org are CC BY SA [19:34:16] xD [19:34:28] benestar creating another abstract class in the hierarchy [19:34:34] lbenedix: (don't quote me) but my understanding is the data is cc-0 and the text is cc-by-sa [19:34:39] non data namespaces [19:34:40] doing this for code re-use creates so many problems... [19:34:51] creating templates is easy ;) [19:34:51] really? [19:35:08] JeroenDeDauw: but why? [19:35:14] see https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/38906/ [19:35:17] I think it is quite logical htis way [19:35:24] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/38906/4/WikimediaMessages.i18n.php [19:39:31] JeroenDeDauw: how should I do it in your opinion? [19:39:49] benestar one moment, trying to find a good description on the subject [19:40:25] benestar this seems ok http://littletutorials.com/2008/06/23/inheritance-not-for-code-reuse/ [19:53:30] JeroenDeDauw: this is really hard to understand [19:53:50] EWwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww [19:53:59] Why are bots using wikidatawiki not passing a format parameter!? [19:54:03] (via the api) [19:54:20] Reedy: hu? [19:54:30] 2013-01-26 19:52:47 mw1130 wikidatawiki: API POST Innocent_bot 78.73.94.165 T=205ms action=wbsetlabel id=q1994003 token= bot= language=nb value=Vid%C3%B6%C3%A5sen [19:55:01] Reedy: this might be ok if they go for their own thing [19:55:11] Reedy: perhaps this bot needs no answer (not so good) [19:55:25] Still [19:55:31] Seems a very weird thing to do [19:55:39] hold on, i don't think wikidata is the culprit here [19:55:49] Reedy: where do you see this? [19:55:54] api logs [19:55:55] if they use their own format, that's fine [19:56:06] if their api module overrides the formatter object [19:56:12] Reedy: are they open? [19:56:19] No [19:56:29] ok [19:59:55] JeroenDeDauw: should I use composition? [20:03:09] yurik: Reedy: AFAIK we are not doing any format magic, I certainly hope we don't [20:03:21] Suspect it's just the bot being fail [20:03:26] Yeah [20:03:28] JeroenDeDauw: proly [20:03:34] benestar Likely yes [20:03:40] puh [20:03:44] especially if like someone else said, it doesn't care about the actual result [20:03:50] Which is stupid in itself, but that's a different issue [20:04:07] JeroenDeDauw: do you set your own formatter in the output? [20:04:17] benestar Requires some figuring out of what to put where. Once that's done, your design ought to be simpler, more flexible, and easier to test though [20:04:20] i meant - in your custom action? [20:04:34] yurik: we use the regular MW formatters [20:04:39] I am working on it, thanks fo rhte tip :) [20:04:47] Our client JS uses the json format [20:05:59] which is quite sensefull [20:06:01] JeroenDeDauw: yes, i understand it uses json, but does it use it despite the format=xxx parameter? or does it use whichever formatter is needed [20:06:09] JSON is made for javascript [20:06:42] JeroenDeDauw: The question is, I think, does it override and force json format on output? [20:11:32] benestar: let me get this straight, you hit the server api to set some property without checking for the errors??? [20:11:52] yurik: that's not me [20:12:04] JeroenDeDauw: ^^ ? [20:12:15] "made for [20:12:23] I always send format=xml [20:12:27] JavaScript Object Notation [20:12:52] Reedy: it does not force json [20:12:57] Right [20:17:41] benestar why not json? [20:18:38] yurik: I did not find a good json parser for c# [20:18:50] and xml is already implemented in .NET [20:19:09] benestar take a look at the nuget [20:19:11] I already worked with this classes, so it is easier for me [20:19:23] nuget? [20:19:24] i saw json parser as one of the top libs [20:19:34] .net package system [20:19:41] hm, I didn'T ;) [20:19:58] nuget is built into vs2012, and an addon in vs2010 [20:19:58] still [20:20:04] legacy [20:20:17] xml works fin for me [20:20:19] For AWB there's quite a lot of code to rewrite to swap from XML [20:20:22] true, but json is what we should promote whenever possible - much faster [20:20:35] smaller responses, more efficient [20:20:44] less server resources too [20:21:13] :O [20:21:28] XML has some awesome edge csaes [20:21:46] oh yeah, that too :) [20:22:47] oh, btw, Reedy - i spoke with WMF people (i'm still in SF), might join, although there are still tons of issues to resolve [20:24:04] Surely you have to be offered a position first? ;) [20:24:28] that's what i meant by "issues" ;) [20:27:54] Reedy: so is that wikidata who's causing it? heartbeat? or someone else? [20:30:09] Based on the username, I guess that specific one is https://wikidata.org/wiki/User:Innocent_bot [20:32:22] benestar feel free to mail me if you have any questions on the design of those special pages [20:32:34] ok [20:36:46] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added tests that check for exceptions being thrown on invalid data" [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45762 [20:36:48] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Removed obsolete code" [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45763 [20:37:32] good evening [21:00:39] Reedy et al, left a message at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Lavallen [21:01:45] Y U NO USE FORMAT!? [21:06:00] yurik: where did you place your comment? [21:06:37] benestar second from the top (by mistake) [21:06:45] :/ [21:07:54] * yurik is too used to the LQT... even though they are FU beyond repair :( [21:08:27] yurik: did you try the new version of the Gadget SitelinkCheck? [21:08:56] benestar, no, what's that? [21:09:17] yurik: you can create an item with all languagelinks imported already [21:09:28] just enable it ;) [21:09:32] I love it [21:09:49] have a link to an example? [21:10:00] you mean an edit example? [21:10:32] any link to see it in action [21:10:44] google gave me localization message :) [21:11:02] yurik: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q3705241&action=history [21:12:01] benestar: it looks just like before, isn't it? [21:12:19] what? [21:12:26] that form [21:12:38] createItem form? [21:13:16] is this https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:CreateItem what you are talking about? [21:13:35] there should be a link next to the create button [21:13:46] and also one in the toolbox on all pages [21:13:59] hmm... still confused [21:14:18] yurik: why? [21:14:29] trying to figure out what has changed [21:14:42] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:CreateItem has just one button and no links [21:14:55] yurik: you have enabled it? [21:15:07] purge your cache [21:16:39] ah, sorry benestar, i haven't used gadgets much, didn't understand you. enabled, lets see [21:16:50] k [21:20:11] benestar after refresh and all that, in create item form, check link, tried but nothing happens after i click check [21:20:22] :/ [21:20:47] yurik: works for me [21:21:07] i tried an article in RU [21:21:22] but any clicks on "check" button does nothing :( [21:21:28] yurik: click the link in the toolbox at the left [21:21:43] that's how the new item page is shown for me [21:23:55] i click "create new item", check sitelink, fill out the form (ru, Высоцкий, Владимир Семёнович ), click "check", and nothing happens [21:25:16] tried it in both chrome and FF [21:25:57] firefox works [21:26:35] yurik: any javascript errors? [21:28:00] * Jasper_Deng wonders if a developer is around [21:28:54] Jasper_Deng: just write ;) [21:29:15] so tuesday's the next big day? [21:29:29] benestar: I just put a deletion request on hold b/c it's an /exact/ duplicate [21:29:41] just like the other one [21:29:51] Jasper_Deng: I think it is a known issue [21:30:12] it is - to be safe a developer should OK the deletion [21:35:56] yurik: does it sill not work? [21:36:19] nope [21:36:45] yurik: try it with latin letters [21:37:17] I don'T think so but this could be an issue [21:37:50] benestar Uncaught TypeError: Object function (selector,context){return new jQuery.fn.init(selector,context,rootjQuery);} has no method 'createSpinner' index.php:188 [21:37:52] check index.php:188 [21:37:54] (anonymous function) load.php:24 [21:37:56] jQuery.event.dispatch load.php:45 [21:37:57] elemData.handle.eventHandle [21:38:02] chrome [21:38:28] ah, the spinner [21:39:21] strange because it works for me [21:40:44] i tried deleting cache [21:41:02] yurik: which other gadgets do you have enabled? [21:41:34] benestar search [21:42:53] no more? [21:43:35] yurik: try again [21:44:19] I think there were some dependensies mssing at the definition [21:44:29] c* [21:45:10] benestar not sure what you did, but now there is no link on the create item form :) [21:45:17] clearing cache... [21:46:02] uhm [21:46:41] does not look good [21:46:48] yep, broken on both browsers... enjoy :) [21:47:00] :P [21:47:18] no it works for me [21:47:46] yurik: try it [21:49:45] benestar nope [21:49:59] works for me, try purging [22:04:23] First round of admin reconfirmations closes in under 2 hours [22:04:35] Jasper_Deng: seems we're losing 2? [22:04:49] rschen7754: make that 3 [22:04:52] Guerillero dropped <75% [22:05:02] :( [22:06:03] Jasper_Deng: we only have 2 admins who have a statement for reconfirmations for round 2 [22:06:19] * Jasper_Deng does want the admin ranks to thin out a bit [22:06:33] yeah, it is a bit ridiculous right now [22:06:45] Raymond_: post a statement! :P [22:07:21] Ajraddatz and I are coming up in 5 days [22:07:37] i have to wait until late march :/ [22:07:56] rschen7754: shouldn't we fill in for those who don't seem to be active enough to make their own statements? [22:08:12] Jasper_Deng: probably [22:08:20] 2 hours is cutting it pretty close [22:08:35] also, do we have someone to close the reconfirmations for round 1 [22:08:36] ? [22:08:54] rschen7754: stewards will probably do it. [22:09:02] neither of us can b/c we !voted [22:09:25] ok, but does someone have to post at SRP? [22:09:35] Yeah.... [22:09:38] * Jasper_Deng pokes Riley [22:09:44] Hiii [22:10:08] Riley: Are you willing to close http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Administrators/Confirm_2013/1 in about 110 minutes? [22:10:18] Its funny because I just opened up my wikidata watchlist when you pinged.. O.O [22:11:23] MBisanz: ping [22:11:37] yes [22:12:07] so the first round of wikidata admin reconfirmations is closing in 2 hours… how should we handle the ones who are reconfirmed? [22:12:38] When it goes to SRP stewards will desysop and then resysop [22:12:48] for formality's sake [22:13:04] oh, so everything goes there? [22:13:12] and then we just let the temp sysops expire? [22:13:21] yeah [22:13:31] ok [22:13:37] rschen7754: i'll defer to Jasper_Deng [22:13:51] MBisanz: I !voted in all of them so I can't close any of them [22:14:00] i mean i'll defer to your interpretation of process [22:14:05] not your close of the rfas [22:14:09] * Jasper_Deng has already tasked Riley with carrying it out [22:14:22] MBisanz: this is what I've been told. MarcoAurelio would know best. [22:14:26] ahho k [22:15:32] we also had an admin resign this morning [22:15:51] MBisanz, rschen7754: I'm going to start creating placeholders for 2nd circuit for those who didn't make their statements [22:15:54] so we'll be down to 57 [22:15:57] Jasper_Deng: ok [22:16:05] * Jasper_Deng doesn't want edit conflicts [22:24:56] ok, got everything setup [22:25:04] cool, thx [22:26:01] also when this circuit closes, I'll move it on the main confirmations page accordingly [22:26:06] and move circuit 2 into place [22:33:10] yurik: still not working? [22:34:17] benestar nope [22:34:38] still the error? [22:35:19] missing link [22:36:02] yurik: where? [22:36:14] on the create item page [22:36:36] see if anyone else sees it [23:26:16] Riley, rschen7754: one clarification - next circuit begins tommorow, not today [23:26:23] however the current circuit still ends today [23:26:23] Jasper_Deng: really? [23:26:27] Noticed thanks. [23:26:36] so there's a day in between? [23:26:38] Yes [23:27:00] do we want to change hte sitenotice? [23:27:04] what about sysops who where elected after Moe Epsilon? [23:27:22] we'll schedule them too [23:27:32] Jasper_Deng: yeah i've been asking about that for a while... [23:27:36] k, include me, please [23:27:45] Oh god that means I'm up for reconfirmation.. /me gets editing [23:27:48] Vogone: you resigned [23:27:50] (because of translation admin) [23:28:03]