[10:04:02] YairRand: thx for filing all the bugs [10:04:27] np [10:04:56] Jasper_Deng_away: poke when you're back [10:49:46] New patchset: Aude; "remove ChangeNotifierTest.php, it's just an empty file" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47575 [10:53:03] aude: the message for the show-wikidata-renect-changes in the client is broken [10:53:22] I can only see on my local system as well as on test2 [10:59:01] ugh [10:59:11] it must be wikibase-rc-show.... now [10:59:30] Tobi_WMDE: u fixing it? or me? [10:59:53] I can fix it later [10:59:58] but not right now [11:01:00] ok [11:25:42] Hola. If somebody has a moment, could you tell me if the old tickets https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7777 and https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1911 are "fixed" by the existence of Wikidata? [11:25:49] "Request: properties in articles (structured data)" and "Wiki data storage and dynamic table display" [11:33:38] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Refactoring of PropertyEditTool's counter into a more generic function" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47220 [11:38:37] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Refactoring of PropertyEditTool's counter into a more generic function" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47220 [11:44:58] andre__: looking [11:45:50] andre__: not yet [11:46:25] meh. :) Had hopes to close those rotting tickets. [11:46:39] as they were linked from https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30345 [11:46:42] which I consider fixed. [11:46:45] ;-) [11:47:30] thanks :) [12:01:07] Hello - just been trying to add a date of birth to David Cameron - should that be possible? [12:01:23] hey there, labelLister seems to be broken! [12:01:23] successfully added his gender :) [12:01:24] njh: we don't support dates yet [12:01:41] ah, easy answer! Thanks [12:02:47] looking awsome though, well done :) [12:03:12] for something like gener, what should be the source of information? [12:20:12] New patchset: Raimond Spekking; "Parse intro messages" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47577 [12:33:10] Change merged: Henning Snater; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47220 [12:43:35] Is it possible to state that somebody is a polititian? [12:43:48] Angela Merkel for example [12:47:51] njh: I think for that we're going to wait a bit more [12:48:13] it looks like I can add a 'is a' property [12:48:24] but not sure if/how I define a type [12:48:34] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q183 [12:48:39] "is a [12:48:40] sovereign state" [12:48:51] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata%3AProject_chat&diff=5818303&oldid=5817675 [12:49:01] just a couple of problems [12:49:20] just in case anyone in the developing team has the time to take a look at them [12:55:05] New patchset: Henning Snater; "claimlistview: Correct list member widget error event name" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47581 [13:04:14] Reedy: that would be a boolean, not an integer! [13:05:53] no one is answering in #mediawiki... so i'll ask here again [13:05:55] what is the right place to store settings for an extension? [13:06:08] its about a notification and a "show me this thing never again"-checkbox [13:08:08] hashar: I'm a bit vague on the relation between packagist and the install you have set up. I have several things that are dependencies for MediaWiki extensions while being independent from MediaWiki itself, and thus make sense to be registered at packagist as well [13:10:50] JeroenDeDauw: the labs instance is merely an experiment :-] [13:11:30] JeroenDeDauw: my first goal is to set up a composer repository on the continuous integration server [13:11:41] JeroenDeDauw: to easily resolve dependencies between our extensions. [13:12:00] if there are a need for some third packages, we can get them added there too I guess [13:12:23] I am just wondering if the composer.json added for the EducationProgram extension would work on packagist.org [13:12:24] hashar: what is the problem with using packagist? [13:13:10] Jenkins would use composer to fetch the extensions, and I want to fetch them from the local file system instead of over the network and hammering packagist.org :-] [13:13:17] that is more of a hack [13:13:33] I don't think that will prevent us from uploading our repos on packagist.org under mediawiki/ [13:13:43] btw, the mw/core composer file is ready: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/47449/ [13:13:55] if that looks fine to you , i will have it merged [13:15:02] hashar: think it's gpl v2 + [13:15:05] you forgot the + [13:15:13] Or many I did [13:15:25] yeah I leaved a comment about it [13:15:28] Oh, someone killed it [13:15:30] I am not sure we are GPL 2+ [13:15:37] so I removed the + :-] [13:15:46] yet another bike shed we have to start hehe [13:15:59] hashar: according to WP we are :D [13:16:01] the COPYING file is v2 [13:16:06] hehls [13:16:07] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediawiki [13:16:09] oops [13:16:22] who is going to trust a site that anyone can edit ? ;:-] [13:17:07] hashar: I guess it can easily be fixed later [13:17:09] so +1 [13:18:03] hashar: I am wondering how to best structure libraries that can act as MW extension though, so they can be easily installed either as standalone lib or MW extension... [13:18:09] hashar: good example is Diff [13:18:18] And I am starting on a new one "Ask" right no [13:18:20] *now [13:18:48] ah diff is a lib ? :D [13:18:58] maybe we should start up a new hierarchy :-] [13:19:06] more seriously, I have no idea [13:21:13] hashar: yeah, it's completely MW independent, though if you load it when MEDIAWIKI is defined, it will register itself as extension [13:23:11] guess it can be published both under jeroen/diff [13:23:15] and mediawiki/diff [13:23:17] hashar: I think there are important advantages to having MW extensions on packagist rather then just on a WMF install of that software. It'll be easier to interoperate with third party packages and it will likely get more people involved with MW dev [13:23:27] yeah I agree [13:23:35] my experiment is merely to fit the continuous integration needs [13:23:39] hashar: Diff is already there, though the install stuff does not work correctly yet [13:23:39] https://packagist.org/packages/diff/diff [13:23:43] \O/ [13:23:53] Or at least it did not when I tried [13:24:10] Saw you had a mediawiki-extension type merged, so I ought to try again [13:24:20] ah https://packagist.org/packages/mediawiki/core [13:24:28] I guess you can make it point to the github mirror now :-] [13:24:35] it points to https://github.com/JeroenDeDauw/mediawiki-core.git [13:24:52] hashar: will update that as soon as the one commit on gerrit got merged [13:25:11] it landed https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-core/blob/master/composer.json [13:25:16] since it needs a composer.json to be present obviously :p [13:25:19] cool [13:25:56] hashar: updated [13:26:02] hashar: I can add you as maintainer if you want [13:26:04] you are the best [13:26:16] if packagist support multiple maintainer, yeah! [13:26:26] hashar [13:26:28] is the login [13:26:54] lol [13:27:01] clicking edit, getting "undefined" [13:27:03] >_> [13:28:22] hashar: ok, added you [13:29:38] thanks! [13:29:45] hashar: looks like there currently is no way to remove someone as maintainer (at least not in the UI), so be careful not to typo I guess :p [13:30:31] hashar: if you have access to the github account you could set up the auto update thing [13:31:54] I dont [13:32:01] asked ^demon about it in #wikimedia-dev [13:35:26] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added support to composer.json, fixed licence format and temporarily changed type to mediawiki-extension" [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47583 [13:35:44] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47583 [13:37:59] Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47575 [13:44:17] Q: When a page is translated using Translate, is a page supposed to be manually created as a redirect at the translated title? [13:51:14] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "added version to composer.josn" [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47586 [13:52:44] Namaskar from Pune. [13:52:46] Lydia_WMDE, aude, Merlissimo - If I understand correctly, there's a little overlooked limbo with bots now: [13:53:03] aharoni: oh? [13:53:18] Not something critical, but still a bit annoying: [13:53:38] Let's say that I create a new article in he.wikipedia, [13:53:54] I add a link to it to an existing item in Wikidata, [13:54:11] and I *don't* add a link to it other Wikipedias in which it exists. [13:54:40] I think that the bots won't add a link to the Hebrew Wikipedia to other Wikipedias without a Wikidata client. [13:54:50] So they will remain without a link. [13:54:55] So there are three solutions: [13:54:58] yes that's probably the case [13:55:04] 1. change the bots to add the link. [13:55:08] hmmmm..... [13:55:11] 2. add the links manually. [13:55:18] 3. wait for Wikidata to be deployed everywhere ;) [13:55:19] wait a couple weeks? :) [13:55:21] it should be a non-issue though after 27th when all wikipedias are using wikidata [13:55:47] might not be worth the trouble to modify the bots before then, thouh not sure how difficult it is [13:55:54] aha - so, February 27th - all Wikipedias deployed, according to the plan? [13:56:08] unless there's any serious issue, yes [13:56:13] if all works out yes [13:56:43] OK then. [13:56:58] a couple of Hebrew Wikipedia editors complained about it, but everybody agrees that it's not critical. [13:57:38] it's something i'm not sure we can fix from the extension, especially so quickly [13:57:50] vs. something pywikipedia could do differently, etc. [14:00:12] aharoni: yeah let them know please that 27th is planned atm for all and that it should be solved with that [14:46:49] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "good point, will make a fixme commit since the stuff added here is not wrong, the rest is" [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47586 [14:46:49] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47586 [14:49:07] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "fix indenting in composer.json" [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47590 [14:49:33] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47590 [14:53:59] Some definitions have to be cleared, before people use temporary properties to work with... F.e.: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P21 [14:54:45] What to do, when definitions differ via the languages? F.e. interwikilinks are wrong... [14:56:07] And what I'm really interessted in is the usage of sources :) - is there a link I can read abouth? Thank you very much :) . [15:01:50] Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45114 [15:04:12] New review: Tobias Gritschacher; "merged, as it is good enough for a first version." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45114 [15:15:36] is there some template to mark discussions as solved? [15:15:47] i really could use that for the contact the dev team page [15:15:53] losing overview atm [15:15:58] New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(minor) fix show-wikidata-rc preferences message" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47591 [15:16:17] everyone: i think i answered everything now that came up since yesterday [15:16:25] if you are still waiting for a reply on something please poke me [15:16:27] aude: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/47591/ [15:18:13] Tobi_WMDE: thanks! [15:18:46] * aude can come to project chat now? :) [15:19:03] maybe read up when i get home later .... [15:19:32] aude: hehe jep [15:19:47] Lydia_WMDE: A question - What is the date for the global implementation of interwiki system? After en.wiki, I mean [15:19:58] Invadinado: 27th currently [15:20:38] OK, thanks :) [15:20:56] :) [15:21:30] We will change our bot policy some days before [15:21:42] Invadinado: cool - we being? [15:21:58] es.wiki, apologies :P [15:22:06] nice [15:22:16] i am planning to send a global announcement on 13th [15:22:19] to all village pumps [15:22:28] but feel free to prepare already of course [15:22:32] if you need anything let me know [15:23:05] I will be aware [15:23:13] Thank you for your help [15:23:35] Change merged: Aude; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47591 [15:24:00] no problem [15:24:55] New patchset: Aude; "(minor) fix show-wikidata-rc preferences message" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.21-wmf9) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47592 [15:25:01] anyone wants to update point two at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Introduction#Timeline_of_deployment_on_Wikidata ? [15:25:17] with the 27th for example [15:28:51] Change merged: Aude; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.21-wmf9) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47592 [15:31:19] "deployment on the English Wikipedia is planned for February 27"? [15:31:59] Invadinado: it's planned for monday (Feb 11) [15:32:01] https://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/02/04/first-parts-of-phase-2-of-wikidata-going-live/ [15:32:08] the rest of the wikipedias on the 27th [15:33:04] Okay [15:42:55] Right? https://www.wikidata.org?diff=5821729 [15:44:04] Invadinado: english wikipedia on February 11 [15:44:13] all other wikipedias on February 27 [15:44:24] Ohm... sorry :) [15:44:38] initial deployment of phase 2 (wikidata.org only) was yesterday [15:44:52] the wikipedias will only have site links to start [15:44:59] infobox stuff will come later [15:45:02] to wikipedias [15:46:57] Done [15:48:16] Invadinado: thanks :) [15:48:23] Invadinado: looks good to me :) [15:48:52] Great, you're welcome... [16:02:57] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal#Over_9000 AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA [16:06:06] SannitAway: hah! :) [16:24:52] New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(bug 43997) adding Selenium tests for linking items on client" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47597 [18:00:46] Tpt_: salut, tu es là ? [18:13:16] hsarrazin: Salut! oui? [18:13:31] Salut :) [18:14:16] j'ai essayé de comprendre la phase 2, mais je n'arrive pas à ajouter le genre à http://wikidata.org/wiki/Q585829 - je n'arrive même pas à lui ajouter une description en anglais... [18:14:28] un bug ? ou qqch que je n'ai pas compris ? [18:15:42] hsarrazin: J'ai en effet l'impression qu'il y a un bug. [18:15:53] Cela marchais très bien hier soir. [18:16:32] ah... [18:16:52] ehhhh BIG BUG - I'm logged in English and I read.... http://wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:%E0%B0%AE%E0%B1%8A%E0%B0%A6%E0%B0%9F%E0%B0%BF_%E0%B0%AA%E0%B1%87%E0%B0%9C%E0%B1%80 [18:18:06] je ne sais pas de quelle langue d'asie du Sud-est il s'agit, mais c'est illisible.... :( [20:09:20] Is it for normal users possible to create Infoboxes and if yes how? [20:10:21] MiladA380: At this time, it is not jet possible. [20:10:30] ok [20:10:51] It is phase 3 yesterday phase 2 started ;) . [20:11:58] introduction says infoboxes are phase 2 lists phase 3 [20:12:14] MiladA380: it's a later part of phase 2 actually [20:12:19] ok [20:12:24] what we rolled out yesterday is the start of phase 2 [20:12:25] ok [20:13:22] sry [20:13:27] n [20:13:28] p [20:15:14] :) [20:16:32] good evening.... [20:16:49] hey hsarrazin [20:16:58] I work on French data... but I cannot add properties from French interface [20:17:03] hey Lydia_WMDE :) [20:17:21] hsarrazin: what's the issue exactly? [20:17:40] I try to add properties to items.... [20:18:05] but for ex. I cannot add gender through French interface - it simply does not work , and I cannot save [20:18:18] but it works through English interface.... [20:18:45] which is annoying, since I have to change from E to F and F to E to complete def and properties [20:18:47] hsarrazin: just a stupid question... of course you updated the French label of the properties? [20:19:04] Sannita: of course :) [20:19:08] and remember properties are case sensitive [20:19:21] (anyway, I have some problems in Italian too) [20:19:43] but either I cannot access the value box, or I cannot save what I type (and I can't see it since the box is about 3 px high) [20:21:11] could it be because in French "male" spell "mâle" with an accent ? [20:21:57] hsarrazin: possible - can you add something without an accent? [20:22:00] just to try [20:22:29] I do not not which property ;) [20:22:47] Lydia_WMDE: I created @wikidat_de on twitter would you like to run the account? [20:22:58] * @wikidata_de [20:23:23] Sk1d: oh - thanks for poking - let's quickly chat in query about it [20:25:20] Lydia_WMDE: in fact, in Fr interface, I cannot "save" the property... whatever it is [20:25:36] hsarrazin: Oo [20:26:04] hsarrazin: i'm too tired to give this a try myself but if you poke me again tomorrow about it i can try to reproduce it [20:26:09] unless someone else here wants to now [20:26:48] ok Lydia_WMDE - nice night :) [20:26:52] :) [20:27:32] here it works : http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Property:P85&diff=5828919&oldid=5826845 [20:28:12] i hope i understood your problem correctly and made the test edit at the right place ;) [22:31:03] HI G [22:32:51] btw i won't be doing the reconfirmations today, i have class right when tehy clos [22:39:56] HI [23:08:11] New patchset: Reedy; "Followup to 36780, add new columns FIRST" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37485 [23:31:53] rschen7754: am I wrong or the confirmations end in less than 30 minutes? [23:32:34] hello! firstly let me say that wikidata is an amazing project, and looks to be very well executed, so thank you all! [23:32:45] Sannita: hmm, it seems that they might end tomorrow actually [23:32:56] phew [23:33:15] though i have class then too and won't be around [23:33:47] rschen7754: I'll take care of it, so [23:33:48] tomorrow :P [23:33:56] i am curious as to transitivity (if that is a word) of properties: say if France is a "member state" of the EU, is there a way to go from "EU" to "member states", including France, Germany and so on? [23:33:58] inductiveload: thank you :) [23:34:08] i can't wait to get stuck in :-) [23:35:16] there's going to be so much great data here, it's revolutionary [23:36:43] inductiveload: I think it will be possible to have a "member states" property in [[European Union]]... [23:37:42] sure, but that relies on making the link both ways [23:39:23] so if, say, Turkey joined the EU, you need to add "member state of: EU" to Turkey, and "member state: Turkey" to EU [23:40:50] for the time being, we'll be lucky if we have that :D [23:40:59] ok [23:41:01] the developers are not here at the moment [23:41:22] sure, just curious [23:41:30] so, my answers are not to be taken as completely informerd [23:41:34] *informed [23:41:54] but, what you're asking for is a bit difficult to obtain at the moment [23:42:08] oh yeah, i know everything is just starting out [23:43:11] you know how a little child feels in a sweet shop when they can't decide what to look at next? [23:43:14] that's me