[00:11:46] James_F: Can you please explain why Wikidata no longer has 'former member of sports team' [00:12:43] that makes me sad on the inside [00:12:47] Angry_Sven: Because it's been decided that we're going to keep things as we mean to have them long term, and just wait for properties to get qualifiers. [00:12:49] because it means Wikidata has no conception of time [00:13:04] Qualifiers? [00:13:12] is that a phase II thing? [00:13:20] is that a phase III* thing? [00:13:35] nope [00:13:35] it's II [00:13:43] but time/date qualifiers aren't there yet [00:14:03] inductiveload: thank you! :) [00:14:12] they just started with a *very* basic phase II [00:14:15] Lydia_WMDE: Hello. Welcome back. [00:14:21] Lydia_WMDE: wb [00:14:25] Angry_Sven: hey! why angry? [00:14:29] jo Sannita [00:14:45] Angry_Sven: I didn't recognized you... why so angry? [00:14:54] Well, lots of Phase II is broken [00:15:06] so all the cool things that were promised aren't working [00:15:13] Not broken. Not yet working. [00:15:20] plus I wanted to bash on James_F [00:15:49] seems fine to me [00:15:50] Angry_Sven: have a cookie and a hug? [00:15:52] * Moe_Epsilon hands Angry_Sven a stick [00:16:03] Moe_Epsilon: nah nah nah [00:16:07] :o [00:16:09] no sticks for poking ;-) [00:16:14] More cookies! [00:16:17] * Sannita gives Semi-Meh_Sven a sack of stones [00:16:17] :D [00:16:21] Semi-Meh_Sven: Tsk. :-) [00:16:24] * Lydia_WMDE hands Semi-Meh_Sven some more cookies [00:16:32] me pelts James_F with Sannita's stones :D [00:16:42] * Semi-Meh_Sven Sugar_High_Sven [00:16:46] lol [00:16:55] COOOOOOOOOKIES! YEAH! [00:16:58] alright - enough of the silly for me - i should be in bed... [00:17:10] sorry James_F, nothing personal, I just use to furnish people with torture items [00:17:11] good night folks [00:17:12] :* [00:17:14] bye [00:17:17] nite [00:17:23] night Lydia [00:17:33] Sannita: I'm mortally offended! ;-) [00:17:52] and possibly wounded [00:18:04] Clearly. :-) [00:18:55] James_F: would a mace help you in feeling less offended? :P [00:19:07] (not to be used on me, of course) [00:19:18] * Moe_Epsilon slowly walks away [00:19:22] lol [00:19:25] Sannita: I'm somewhat against weaponry of all types, actually. :-) [00:19:38] James_F: aw, what kind of an admin are you? :P [00:19:49] Sannita: The kind that helps people first. :-D [00:19:54] meh [00:19:56] :D [00:20:18] James_F: I'm against anything the crossbow and everything after that. It's all just cheating. If you're going to kill someone, get in close with a battle axe. [00:20:50] I occasionally do [[w:Dagorhir]], would a weapon made of foam be preferred? [00:21:08] At least the regular bow is a pain to aim [00:21:30] Sven_Manguard: A full long-bow has not been wielded for about 400 years. [00:21:41] well not a real one [00:21:50] I've handled replicas [00:22:00] Sven_Manguard: Was it 2m long? [00:24:22] no, I'm not tall enough for that [00:26:07] IIRC it was 64 inches, which is on the low end of what's technically a longbow [00:27:37] That or it was 1.64 meters, which is pretty close to 64 in. anyways [00:28:01] All I know is that the owner of the replica called it "Nintendo" [00:28:22] * Hazard-SJ says hello [00:28:35] * Sven_Manguard waves to the man with the blue and red signature [00:29:10] * Hazard-SJ is looking for a bot operator [00:29:22] I used to be a bot-op on Wikipedia [00:29:30] Merlissimo_ is in the channel [00:29:47] * Hazard-SJ is looking for a Wikidata bot operator who isn't Hazard-SJ [00:29:48] and Ajraddatz is active in BrfA [00:30:04] Hazard-SJ: than you need Merlissimo_ [00:30:33] Unfortunately, I'm not good with complex bots... and currently busy moving a project off of Wikia :) [00:30:43] Sven_Manguard: Does Merlissimo_ use PWB? [00:30:51] No idea. [00:30:57] which one is getting off Wikia? [00:31:36] hehe [00:31:38] the LEGO wiki [00:31:39] :3 [00:31:50] I was a kid once ok? LO [00:31:53] :P* [00:31:56] I was more a K'nex kid [00:32:14] I had some of those... [00:32:16] brb [00:33:04] legoktm's? [00:33:17] oh that's right, he's a bot op... [00:33:20] right? [00:33:27] In trial [00:33:34] but he isn't around AFAIK [00:33:36] oh cool [00:33:46] * Hazard-SJ sighs [00:33:58] Thehelpfulone: maybe you can help? [00:34:16] hmm? I don't do much wikidata stuff [00:34:16] Thehelpfulone *knows things* O_O [00:34:27] but you do know botstuffs, right? [00:34:40] yep [00:34:53] It's about the DataPage class in wikipedia.py, so Thehelpfulone might not be helpful enough here :( [00:35:32] * Jasper_Deng thinks Thehelpfulone has always lived up to his username [00:35:49] yeah that sounds like something I've never heard of before Hazard-SJ :( [00:36:17] :( [00:36:58] I'm in the process of writing a bot, but it only partially works :( [00:39:33] James_F: I found the most awesome person ever http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Churchill [00:39:48] Sven_Manguard: The guy from WWI with the long-bow analogue? [00:40:00] yes, and the broadsword [00:40:06] WWII [00:40:20] Yup [00:40:24] Clearly bonkers. [00:40:32] Warfare: [00:40:39] 1) Get off landing boat [00:40:45] 2) Play bagpipes [00:40:51] 3) Toss grenade [00:41:16] yeah, bonkers [00:41:36] still awesome though [00:42:50] :( [00:57:00] I need a Brit please [00:57:54] I'm a British citizen. [00:58:01] What for :D? [00:59:35] Sven_Manguard: I'm also British. :-) [00:59:43] I got Ironholds [00:59:47] but thanks [01:00:47] Very well. [01:04:20] any officer who goes into action without his sword is improperly armed." [01:05:30] I unfortunately do not yet own a sword. [01:05:42] I'm waiting until being commissioned before buying one (along with mess kit). [01:05:59] Fortunately, that's slated to happen in a few months :-D [01:07:37] Ajraddatz: Oh, congratulations. [01:16:02] Commissioned? you becoming an officer in the British Army? [01:19:21] Royal Canadian Navy, and I already am one... Officer Cadet. :P [01:25:10] Ajraddatz, are you going out to sea? [01:25:19] Not for a while. [01:26:29] Well if you do, you probably be forced to take a long wikibreak [01:27:08] Yes. This summer I'm probably need to take one of those. I'm taking three courses, and won't have much internet access (from what I know) [01:29:37] Alternatively you could become a communications officer :D [01:30:14] Upload everything to wikileaks? [01:30:15] Wait, what? [01:30:35] * Sven_Manguard defenestrates Reedy [01:30:47] what's the procedure for adding properties? 1) list it on WS:Property proposal 2)???? [01:31:05] * Danny_B helps Sven_Manguard [01:31:06] wait for 48 hours for discussion [01:31:12] I'm hoping to be an intelligence officer 8) [01:31:33] Ajraddatz: never going to happen. You know too many sketch foreign nationals :D [01:31:49] Yeah. All the crazy people on Wikimedia :P [01:32:04] mhmm, exactly [01:32:10] Sven_Manguard: thanks :-) [01:32:26] that actually equals to all the people on wikimedia [01:32:34] hehe [01:33:36] Ajraddatz: They let British citizens join RCN? [01:34:01] I'm born/raised in Canada. One of my parents is British, so I have duo citizenship. [01:34:14] So I'm not a true Brit :( [01:34:22] Ah. My sympathies. ;-) [01:34:36] We all love our Canadian cousins, though. [01:34:45] Canadians can vote in British elections if you live there [01:35:15] techman224: The best bit is that /Irish/ citizens can, too. (But not vice versa.) [01:36:26] Take a look who's sponsoring http://csgames.org/2013/ [01:38:58] Microsoft, [01:38:59] Covéo [01:39:01] CSEC-CSTC [01:39:02] Orckestra [01:39:04] CSIS-SCRS [01:39:06] Google [01:39:07] Macadamian [01:39:08] Giro [01:39:10] OIQ [01:39:11] oops [01:39:13] thought that'd be one line :( [01:39:24] * Sven_Manguard waves at "Big G" Guerillero [01:39:38] * Hazard-SJ decides to give up for now and ... well ... the script won't work how I want it to, so no need to even stuff it on RFP :( [01:40:08] that's the spirit Hazard-SJ! [01:40:20] hey sven [01:40:38] How are you? [01:40:44] fine [01:40:54] Sven_Manguard: The script is quite useful ... well, partially [01:40:58] I really need to be working but I'm watching UM decimate BC on the TV [01:41:34] Basketball or hockey? [01:41:40] Basketball [01:41:51] 64-38 [01:41:57] fun [01:42:17] * Hazard-SJ goes to so something else in the mean time [01:42:28] I'm from Miami, the city. University of Miami should *not* be 8 and 0 and dominating everyone they play [01:42:48] miami is nice, but miami beach is nicer ;-) [01:43:01] UM is an *academic* university, not a sports university [01:43:10] lol [01:43:27] BC is't a sports school either [01:43:35] well no hockey sports [01:43:39] non* [01:43:52] Hockey is the exception, I suppose [01:43:58] but it's not a sport [01:44:07] it's more a fighting style [01:44:17] Not sure if there's a query I can use to get all the languages on WD, so I'll write a script to generate a list :D [01:44:37] Hi [01:44:42] can someone answer the bottom of https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Description_changing_error ? [01:45:09] Why does it sometimes not work? [01:45:14] And sometimes it does? [01:45:50] "No idea. I've had to refresh to get pages to work sometimes. Try that." [01:46:27] I tried that, it didn't work :( [01:46:45] huh: Tried purging? [01:47:01] I don't know, but is this on bugzilla? [01:47:02] Hazard-SJ: no [01:48:47] huh: try purging? [01:49:33] Sven_Manguard: then it works.. [01:49:35] hm [01:49:47] it might be the purge, it might be that time has passed [01:49:56] really, it comes and goes [01:50:24] I think that the Javascript is just overwhelmed [01:55:56] talking about Wikidata now [01:56:07] on teleconf [02:09:10] bbl [02:30:52] nite [03:28:54] Thehelpfulone: Still busy? [03:29:51] *Around? [03:48:30] Hazard-SJ: probably too late. BTW, why aren't you in your own channel? [03:49:17] huh: ? [03:49:40] huh: It's ok, got help elsewhere :) [03:49:43] Hazard-SJ: ok [03:50:05] huh: Also, I have "too many" tabs open ;) [03:59:18] someone pinged me... [03:59:51] * Jasper_Deng wants to turn off logging [04:00:08] oh darn, Ajraddatz isn't here [04:02:05] duh: He left ~15 minutes ago, but I want your help, though :) [04:02:14] oh [04:02:15] whats up? [04:02:26] if its unicode [04:02:29] i'm going to kill myself [04:02:42] It isn't unicode [04:02:42] https://toolserver.org/~legoktm/wd_redir.log [04:02:47] ^FUCK UNICODE [04:02:49] oh [04:02:51] yippe [04:03:07] :D [04:03:55] duh: I believe you're familiar with the DataPage class in wikipedia.py? [04:04:03] er [04:04:05] no [04:05:34] You use custom code for your bot to modify Wikidata items then? [04:05:49] no, i'm just using the rewrite branch [04:06:05] i dont think my patch has been merged upstream though [04:06:16] duh: So how do you modify sitelinks? :/ [04:06:29] https://github.com/legoktm/pywikipedia-rewrite/commit/ee956dcb2410ce2f7aa5bb38e55c47565906dab0 [04:08:08] i initially forgot to set the throttle part…that was fun :P [04:08:29] also the edittoken is very hackish [04:08:44] it can definitely be optimized by locally storing it [04:08:59] but i dont want to get too far away from the main repo [04:09:17] but its pretty simple code [04:11:28] duh: I tried using the setitem function in the DataPage class, but it outputs as though it is editing, but doesn't actually edit :/ [04:11:33] (trunk) [04:11:38] yeah i dont use trunk [04:12:55] duh: It's probably quite similar code that they use in rewrite, though I haven't checked [04:13:08] it doesnt exist in rewrite yet last time i checked [04:13:11] which was 3 days ago [04:15:20] :/ [04:15:34] There has been documentation on it for...a while [04:16:06] Not much though [04:16:35] Hazard-SJ: are you writing your own bot? :O [04:17:36] idk [04:17:55] lately i've been toying with the idea of rewriting most of pywikipediabot to use the TS databases [04:19:14] duh: It's called DataSite in rewrite [04:19:27] huh: I think so ;) [04:19:52] right [04:19:56] thats what i extended [04:27:21] huh: When was the last time you wrote a bot? [04:27:31] hm [04:27:36] IRC or on-wiki? [04:27:50] an IRC bot that updates on-wiki ;) [04:28:47] that would be RightsBot or the openglobe one, Hazard-SJ [04:29:04] That's a long time ago :O [05:13:40] duh: Still around, I hope? [05:13:44] yes [05:14:59] I wrote something, to change the sitelink, but I'm getting "The external client site did not provide page information." (because the page doesn't exist?) [05:15:47] duh: ^ [05:15:51] er [05:15:56] what params are you passing? [05:16:06] how are you identifying the wikidata page? [05:16:08] item #? [05:17:38] duh: http://pastebin.com/UnAhB6uG [05:17:46] duh: I tried both methods [05:17:51] Same response [05:18:13] um [05:18:14] The aim is to remove sitelinks for pages that have been deleted on client wikis [05:18:15] only pass one [05:18:22] how are you getting those sitelinks? [05:18:24] db query? [05:18:29] or deletion log? [05:18:36] I did an API query [05:18:43] er [05:18:45] how? [05:19:35] I used the deletion log to get the titles, then run an API query (I'll pastebin this). [05:19:37] bbl, afk [05:20:48] duh: http://pastebin.com/SeWmdJaG [05:30:41] Hallo. [05:30:59] Is there something like reciprocal properties? [05:31:02] If, for example, I mark France as a country that _shares border with_ with Andorra, wouldn't it make sense to automatically mark Andorra as a country that shares border with France? [05:33:28] not that I know of [05:34:08] aharoni: Hello, that doesn't exist currently, but it has been (or is being) discussed on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat [05:34:58] Hazard-SJ: for example https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Data_derived_from_other_data ? [05:36:40] Right, and also https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Consistency_checking_tool . OK, thanks. [05:37:23] You're welcome [05:38:54] i think i've found the funniest potential error from recursion yet [05:39:42] if you were to assume that bordering countries are in the same continent (not sure why you would assume this, but idk), you'd wind up with the conclusion that Andorra is in Europe, North America, South America, and Africa [05:40:24] actually, now that i think about it, it'd be reasonable assume that a country's in a given continent if *all* the countries it borders are too. in which case you'd simply have Andorra as being in Europe and Africa [05:41:19] PinkAmpersand: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Administrators/Confirm_2013/3#Yiyi_.28talk_.E2.80.A2_contribs_.E2.80.A2_log_actions.29 <--- My proposed solution was to allow SNOW closes but that doesn't sound like something the community will take [05:44:27] Jasper_Deng: but maybe people would take better to a policy where people would simply be asked to not oppose anymore if no one's supported? [05:45:10] PinkAmpersand: it wouldn't solve all the problems but would be reasonable [05:45:17] Hazard-SJ: hi [05:45:29] hi duh [05:45:30] do you have the values you're passing to the api? [05:45:34] have you tested it in the sandbox? [05:45:35] since if someone's got 10 opposes, and they do something impressive enough to suddenly get 30 supports, surely enough of the people who held off on opposing for compassionate reasons would notice [05:45:39] or on the test repo? [05:46:18] * Hazard-SJ gets the values [05:48:05] duh: Wait, do you mean for http://pastebin.com/SeWmdJaG ? [05:48:28] no the setsitelinks one you said you're having an error on [05:49:39] duh: one example: item = q212591, dbname = acewiki [05:52:29] hey, what's the name of the interface message for what you see if you try to edit a translated version of a page? [05:55:13] PinkAmpersand: tpt-target-page? [05:55:18] duh: g2g soon [05:55:32] sorry i'm busy irl right now [05:55:36] file a bug? [05:55:41] (on pywiki) [05:56:18] Hazard-SJ: ahh ok. thanks. :) if you have a second before you go, would you mind throwing up a on the translation tool link? [05:57:38] PinkAmpersand: done [05:57:42] thanks :) [05:57:58] duh: OK, thanks, I'll maybe file it tomorrow [05:58:03] is there any easy way to find out the MediaWiki message for something? [05:58:04] PinkAmpersand: No problem :P [05:58:13] PinkAmpersand: ?uselang=qqx [05:58:20] ahhh cool [05:59:17] that's an ugly hack if there ever was one [05:59:46] It's not [05:59:46] Its how mw messages works [05:59:50] qqx is the "documentation" language [06:01:17] yeah but. idk. kinda weird way to do it. you think there be a convenient special page for that or something [06:01:19] PinkAmpersand: it's not that ugly - it's only for geeks :) [06:01:34] but I do plan do add it to the Language selector in some nice way. [06:02:05] PinkAmpersand: Special:AllMessages ;) [06:02:21] and more precisely, the documentation language is "qqq". [06:02:39] Right :P [06:02:55] I'm not sure how to call "qqx"... maybe the "magic key language". [06:03:16] * PinkAmpersand sets off to create a language that would have the code qqq, just too fuck with things [06:04:22] duh: I thought qqq was documentation [06:04:31] Something like that [06:04:34] Oh, it was already said :P [06:04:55] I've had enough -1's on my code to know that if you add/edit/update a system message to update the documentation. [06:25:26] you know what would be useful? [06:25:40] PinkAmpersand: what? [06:26:29] a script that would put the Unicode characters part of the reftoolbar available from like a dropdown on any ite [06:26:34] *item [06:39:01] PinkAmpersand: reftoolbar? You probably mean the WikiEditor toolbar. [06:39:17] yeah. think so. whatever the thing is on the top of the edit window [06:39:23] The reftoolbar is a part of the WikiEditor toolbar (and only on the English Wikipedia). [06:39:50] The WikiEditor toolbar indeed has a special characters part. [06:42:03] ahh yeah. that then. [06:42:29] PinkAmpersand: jQuery.ime is deployed on Wikidata as part of the Universal Language Selector. [06:42:43] hmm? [06:43:50] You have to enable it manually, though, and I'm not sure that it has all fixes that I made to it recently. [06:43:51] In the Language Selector at the top you can go to Input Settings and then Enable input method tools. [06:44:06] ohh right that's what that thing does [06:44:10] cool, then :) [06:44:29] It gives you the ability to type non-ASCII characters, but in a rather different way, [06:44:40] it maps certain keys to certain special characters. [06:45:21] We made it mostly for languages for which it's hard to operate even the native keyboards, such as the languages of India. [06:45:39] But one can easily add European languages, like French, to it. [06:46:15] German is there already, for example, so you can type "~o" and get "ö". [06:46:26] There are many issues with it, though: [06:46:57] cool :) though for accent/diacritical stuff, i just switch to a Canadian Multilingual Standard. and anything it can't handle my French keyboard normally can [06:47:02] the input methods themselves are not documented well; for example, it's not really documented that for German, "~o" is "ö". We are working on it. [06:47:09] Aha! [06:47:21] Now this is a VERY useful comment for me. [06:47:40] Do you know some JavaScript? [06:47:58] ĵ ǜ ẁ ḧ ǵ for instance [06:48:09] and umm the very very basics. why? [06:48:35] Well, for the fun of it, you can add support for Canadian Multilingual Standard to jquery.ime. [06:48:49] the repository is here: https://github.com/wikimedia/jquery.ime/ [06:49:27] you don't already? you really should. i believe it's generally held to be the best keyboard for QWERTY users who need to add accents and diacriticals [06:49:32] (We keep it in GitHub and not Gerrit, so that it will be easily usable in other projects and not just Wikimedia.) [06:49:47] We don't, and that's exactly why I say that this is a useful comment. [06:50:04] Can you point me to a page where it is documented? [06:50:34] Alsi, in which operating system do you use it? [06:50:41] hmm. i believe there are several different layouts, since i've found things have changed slightly over the years i've been using it, as i've switched from one computer to the next [06:51:09] and I use it on ChromeOS, but previously I've used it on Windows XP, Windows Vista, and Windows 7 [06:52:36] and does this help? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:KB_Canadian_Multilingual_Standard_comment-en.svg [06:53:36] (that's got WAY more stuff than the version I use, but that's more of a mistake on Chrome's part than on the picture's) [06:54:21] like if i want to add an ß, I have to switch to my French keyboard [06:57:29] are bugs for ime also on github? [06:59:33] YairRand: yes, but if you report them on Bugzilla, we'll notice them there, too :) [06:59:54] PinkAmpersand: yes, it's a useful image. [07:00:04] I'll try to implement it in the coming days. [07:05:00] PinkAmpersand: and, getting back to your original question: jquery.ime aside, I think that having a toolbar like in Wikipedia for adding special characters using a mouse will be useful. [07:05:08] can you please open a bug about it? [07:05:42] back in a few. [07:36:12] sorry there [07:36:33] aharoni: i don't really know bugzilla stuff. can you do it? [08:13:45] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Initial take on a Summary class" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47716 [08:24:36] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Initial take on a Summary class" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47716 [10:17:01] As always, code freeze is at 3 p.m. today! [10:42:24] FYI: On our test instances the propagation of changes between repo and client is finally working again. [10:45:53] * aude cheers :) [11:10:49] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Moved version defenition to more logical place and improved entry point checks" [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47721 [11:25:04] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "(Bug 41882) Added checks for permissions and blocked status" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47723 [11:44:20] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "(Bug 41163) Initial take on a Summary class" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47716 [13:17:31] Reedy: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#editing_2_-_error_in_de.wikidata.org <- anything you can do about that? [13:28:41] Hi [13:29:46] someone online? [13:29:58] hi Timbo_ [13:30:49] Denny_WMDE: What is exactly wikidata? [13:31:16] Wikidata is a new project for the Wikimedia Foundation: a free, collaborative, multilingual, secondary database, collecting structured data to provide support for Wikipedia, Wikimedia Commons, the other Wikimedia projects, and well beyond that. [13:31:29] what's your background, what do you already know? [13:31:37] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Introduction [13:33:57] * Silke_WMDE reminds of code freeze in half an hour [13:34:20] aha I thought , it would be a alternative online Database for barcodes or similar stuff [13:34:43] no. even though our logo might suggest that. [13:35:17] thank you Denny_WMDE [13:38:53] yw [13:49:47] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Fix of mixup in signature and call to getResult()" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47731 [13:56:35] !nyan [13:56:35] ~=[,,_,,]:3 [13:56:44] ready to freeze? [13:56:45] heh [13:57:17] * aude would like to show our widget so might need a few more minutes [13:57:34] ok [13:57:47] might just be a wrong setting, though [13:59:20]