[04:54:24] there's more items on wikidata than articles in enwp [05:01:49] of course, that is logic [05:13:39] actually not yet. en.wiki has 4,161,850 content pages, wikidata has 3,671,484 not deleted items [05:14:14] oh [05:14:21] *that* many deleted!/ [05:14:41] sometimes numbers are skipped, for some odd reason I don't remember [06:07:50] we obviously should import the AGF rule as people keep forgetting it [09:15:04] * duh got his bot to work on all languages :D [09:15:22] :) [09:15:31] even min? :P [09:17:07] if its been added on the toolserver, yup [09:17:32] also [09:17:35] plz cleanup https://en.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Legobot/Conflicts :) [09:23:19] how many wikipedias are there even? [09:23:36] around 285 [09:23:47] 285. [09:23:47] wow [09:38:33] hm [09:38:43] are closed wiki's also linked to? [09:39:23] don't remember [09:39:25] there was a discussion [09:41:09] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2012/12#Disallow_interwiki_links_to_locked_wikis [09:42:14] My bot is about to reach dewiki.... [09:42:35] scary [09:43:11] > Going to run on dewiki_p. [09:43:52] So there will be links to closed wikis. [09:44:12] simple fix [09:45:21] ugh [09:45:23] theyre all conflicts [09:47:56] ohhh [09:50:56] ugh [09:51:01] its a glitch in my bot [09:51:34] busy_researching: can you trash all the subpages of https://en.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Legobot/Conflicts except for the enwiki one? [09:51:41] ok [09:52:35] thanks [09:52:48] np [09:52:55] now that i've flooded #cvn-wikidata :P [10:22:59] busy_researching: mind doing it once more? i just re-fixed the bug :P [10:23:05] ok… :P [10:23:36] thanks :) [10:23:40] np [10:23:52] i was checking to make sure 75% of the interwikis match [10:24:04] except if there were no local interwikis, it would result in a default 0% match [10:26:10] duh: If it happens again, I call dibs! ;) [10:26:23] be sure you use nuke :P [10:27:04] * Riley electrocutes duh's bot in attempt to make it error again [10:27:13] Haha, nuking is always fun. [10:29:41] what is langcode "ca"? [10:30:51] catalan [10:31:35] ah [10:34:08] Riley: just added something to RfD ;) [10:35:18] Fantastico, thanks. [10:35:41] trying to get your log count up before reconfirmation? :P [10:36:15] My log count is no worry, its pretty decent compared to others. (somewhat) [10:36:23] I just have been neglecting Wikidata. [10:36:40] Either way, I am trying to become more active and plan to stay active. :) [10:36:50] Riley: i bet there are at least 15-20 more of those cases on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Legobot/Conflicts/dewiki [10:37:02] busy_researching: Back off [10:37:03] ; [10:37:05] ) [10:37:23] lol [10:37:30] specifically look for the "save-failed: Edit not allowed" ones [10:40:19] man, this is going to take at least another 4-5 hours to finish running [10:40:39] Actually, I find German confusing. I'll skip, thanks though. [10:40:46] you dont need to know german [10:40:57] you just need to find ones where the only item is a redirect [10:41:09] like https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1100882 [10:41:21] that's been replaced by https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q969566 [10:42:28] ill stick it on rfd though [10:42:33] Sure [11:55:40] hmmm [11:55:48] not all projects have an article on "Wikipedia"? [11:55:51] :( [11:56:34] some of the smaller wikipedias are pretty small [11:56:58] true, but thats like a super-vital article. [11:57:22] we've joked about going to some random wiki and creating thousands of U.S. road stubs [11:57:25] with wikidata data [11:58:09] you say "joke"... [11:58:14] yet someone is going to do it [11:58:31] maybe someday [11:58:44] the roads project has too much to do right now [12:05:49] busy_researching: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Legobot/Conflicts/kuwiki can be deleted [12:06:10] dine [12:06:49] ty [12:07:12] kuwiki had only one error, and i was able to fix it by looking at the maps :P [12:18:41] Well my bot stopped because the toolserver died again ish [12:21:49] duh: does your bot check if the redirect is static? [12:22:00] static? [12:22:12] __staticredrect__ [12:22:16] __staticredirect__ [12:22:30] i didn't even know that existed... [12:22:46] if the redirect is about a different topic than the target then staticredirect should be added [12:22:57] hm [12:23:14] does that get shown anywhere in the redirect table? [12:23:50] it is in the pageprops table [12:24:38] ok [12:25:31] e.g. http://de.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&ppprop=staticredirect&prop=pageprops&titles=Clyde_Barrow [12:25:44] because the target article is about two persons [12:26:12] oh gotcha [12:26:18] i'm adding a fix in right now [12:26:35] the import bots are also ignoring redirects to anker [12:26:42] the import bots are also ignoring redirects to anchor [12:29:18] right, my bot ignores section redirects [12:29:33] it just logs it for a human to review [12:50:27] so there's a limit on how long an alias can be? [12:52:57] * Pink|Brrrrrrrrrr wonders if duh knows anything about this [12:53:13] There probably is [12:53:19] Pink|Brrrrrrrrrr: if there is not now, there will be in the next deployment [12:53:20] It has to fit in the database somehow :P [12:53:24] * aude forgets what it is [12:53:43] aude: ahh ok. because i got an error message along those lines. [12:53:53] but the problem is, it's stopping me from adding a valid alias [12:54:41] specifically, https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2732136 should have the alias: [12:54:41] Adolph Blaine Charles David Earl Frederick Gerald Hubert Irvin John Kenneth Lloyd Martin Nero Oliver Paul Quincy Randolph Sherman Thomas Uncas Victor William Xerxes Yancy Zeus [12:54:41] Wolfeschlegelsteinhausenbergerdorffvoralternwarengewissenhaftschaferswessenschafewarenwohlgepflegeundsorgfaltigkeitbeschutzenvonangreifendurchihrraubgierigfeindewelchevoralternzwolftausendjahresvorandieerscheinenwanderersteerdemenschderraumschiffgebrauchlichtalsseinursprungvonkraftgestartseinlan [12:54:41] gefahrthinzwischensternartigraumaufdersuchenachdiesternwelchegehabtbewohnbarplanetenkreisedrehensichundwohinderneurassevonverstandigmenschlichkeitkonntefortplanzenundsicherfreuenanlebenslanglichfreudeundruhemitnichteinfurchtvorangreifenvonandererintelligentgeschopfsvonhinzw [12:54:41] ischensternartigraum, Senior [12:55:51] * aude looks for the bug ticket [12:56:29] Pink|Brrrrrrrrrr: as a single alias or a bunch of them? [12:56:45] aude: single alias. it was his full name. [12:56:50] (allegedly) [12:57:06] :o [12:57:13] * aude wonders how many characters that is [12:57:25] 590 [12:57:34] hence "Wolfe+585" [12:59:16] well, his last name is 590. the full name is 746 [12:59:45] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43278 is one of the bug tickets [12:59:52] it's for descriptions and labels though [12:59:59] jeblad would know more about this [13:01:05] aude: ahhh. [13:01:17] so Pink|Brrrrrrrrrr is one week too late for adding this alias ;-) [13:01:27] :( [13:02:33] that could also be an issue for several other items, though [13:03:37] aude: can we keep one bug about missing minwiki open so that i can watch this and being automatically notified when the problem is solved? [13:05:35] ok, aliases get saved to the wb_terms table which has a 255 limit [13:05:59] * aude thinks it's always been that way for aliases, but jeblad knows better the details [13:06:14] hmmm... any way we could make it so like... idk, maybe so admins can override the limit? [13:06:14] Merlissimo: you can re-open the bug if it got closed [13:06:35] that way one could just file an edit request for items like this [13:06:54] Pink|Brrrrrrrrrr: we could make a bug ticket for that [13:07:05] aude: ok :D [13:07:20] it *might* be technically possible to have longer aliases, though they won't appear in the search as we have things now [13:07:22] aude: but the bug about the site table is fixed https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44750 . But it has not solved the initial problem [13:07:44] Merlissimo: new bug then? [13:07:50] (btw, here's my record for most aliases added: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q380441) [13:08:21] Pink|Brrrrrrrrrr: that's quite a lot :) [13:08:36] aude: no one knows his real name :P [13:08:47] my bot [13:08:49] * aude is confused about minwiki as it works fine on my test wiki, with memcached etc. [13:09:08] despite the fact that he was the subject of one of the highest-profile court cases in American history [13:09:28] and served in multiple executive offices [13:10:22] aude: yes on testwiki it is ok: http://wikidata-test-repo.wikimedia.de/w/api.php?action=paraminfo&modules=wbsetsitelink [13:11:36] hmmm.... [13:11:59] i wonder if we really purged the memcached or not [13:12:39] aude: anyways so should someone file a bug? i mean, would it be possible to do that?... to allow admins to bypass the character limit [13:12:54] we might have to do a bit more debugging to figure that out [13:13:20] Pink|Brrrrrrrrrr: it might be possible, though with limitations like not being in search [13:13:35] after all, the items (entities) are just stored as json [13:14:11] hmm ok [13:14:24] haha it just stopped snowing for about 30 seconds [13:20:18] * aude away for ~an hour [14:31:11] Y U NO stop modifying guidelines with minor changes [16:55:47] I've got a crazy idea... [16:56:21] do you think it would be possible to search for glossary terms in messages/pages to translate [16:56:33] and suggest translations based on glossary? [16:57:50] Doesn't seem like something that's hackable in 5 minutes to me [16:58:33] I wouldn't even dream about hacking that just like that [16:58:54] but is that reasonable enough to even bother? [16:59:26] I think that it's crucial to be consistent with terms [17:00:32] and not everyone that wants to translate has to know that there is a glossary [17:00:58] especially on Translatewiki [17:00:58] everyone who* [17:01:29] and that causes *really* strange translations [18:24:02] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "John, you did see the DO NOT MERGE flag right? This commit is still quite a bit off from being done" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44858 [19:03:15] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P31#Semantical_nonsense just in case anyone is interested [19:26:45] Lydia_WMDE: hi :) [19:33:53] techman224, Wiki13: http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:No_personal_attacks and http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Assume_good_faith&action=history look like they were copied w/o attribution [19:34:02] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "New setclaim API module that allows creating or updating an entire claim given JSON serialization [DO NOT MERGE]" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44858 [19:34:14] and even if not, these should've been discussed [19:34:42] Jasper_Deng, he did mention where he copied it from [19:35:20] still it seems that 1 - he didn't care to discuss w/ others to formulate these guidelines, and 2 - it seems to be in response to what's happening @ his reconfirmation [19:38:58] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "New setclaim API module that allows creating or updating an entire claim given JSON serialization" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44858 [19:45:17] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "New setclaim API module that allows creating or updating an entire claim given JSON serialization" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44858 [19:46:08] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Ready for serious review" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44858 [19:48:54] * Jasper_Deng pokes techman224 and Moe_Epsilon [19:56:19] Jasper_Deng, perhaps make a note on AN. [19:56:24] or Project Chat [19:56:39] techman224: Vogone also says he made a PA on IRC.... [19:58:10] Jasper_Deng, PA? [19:58:16] techman224, Danny_B, Wiki13, Moe_Epsilon, Vogone: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#AGF_and_NPA_pages [19:58:23] techman224: = personal attack [19:58:39] I just saw it, Jasper_Deng [20:15:58] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Needs rebase" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46675 [20:17:02] Jasper_Deng: "You agree that a hyperlink or URL is sufficient attribution under the Creative Commons license. " [20:18:00] Danny_B: /me saw that after you made it [20:18:13] but I /strongly/ dislike how you went ahead w/ that without first achieving consensus [20:18:43] "Attribution — You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor (but not in any way that suggests that they endorse you or your use of the work)." [20:19:01] that is what http://creativecommons.org/ says to Attribution [20:19:04] (an oldid would've been much better) [20:19:19] Jasper_Deng: did you even CLICK the link?! [20:19:28] obviously not [20:19:33] Danny_B: I did.... that's my home wiki [20:19:38] because it IS oldid [20:20:37] Danny_B: Still that was a bad move on your part [20:20:45] i don't see why [20:20:49] this is a WIKI [20:21:02] feel free to edit it [20:21:16] i have a question regarding an update of my wikidata testsystem, i git pulled the actual version and wonder why an item created before does not have the statement-section [20:21:19] Danny_B: no.... you needed consensus for that [20:21:21] plus it does not say anything about being a rule or recommendation [20:22:01] Jasper_Deng: which rule requires that? none. this is wiki. and be bold is one of its basic principles. [20:22:07] work (w) is a job or i.e. work of art? [20:22:17] Danny_B: then you are /very/ unsuited to hold /any/ user-rights [20:22:35] b/c consensus is a fundamental principle of any wiki [20:22:54] sure [20:23:32] but consensus can't be set without having anything to discuss, right? [20:24:06] Danny_B: in the absence of consensus you start a discussion /first/ [20:24:55] consensus is to be reached on things where there is disagreement, right? [20:25:07] also on things when there /might/ be disagreement [20:25:10] such as this one [20:25:16] (might-->likely) [20:25:41] if you disagree, start a discussion and there will be consensus looked for and eventually reached [20:25:46] I did [20:25:55] you can not block the basic principle of the wiki, which is being bold [20:25:56] I dislike how you didn't [20:26:02] see above [20:26:05] Danny_B: boldness has limits [20:26:16] i did not have any disagreement [20:26:24] Danny_B: but there's /bound/ to be disagreement [20:26:31] i started on clean page [20:26:34] you should know very well that policy and guidelines reflect consensus [20:26:35] you do disagree [20:26:48] and therefore you cannot create something based on non-existent consensus [20:26:51] so you post your objections [20:27:09] again - it *does not* say anything about being a policy [20:27:26] Danny_B: but guidelines also fall under this [20:27:36] it does not say even it is a guideline [20:27:47] yes it does [20:27:53] AGF and NPA are both guidelines [20:28:17] not here unless marked such way [20:30:03] Danny_B: but still just because you don't label them as such doesn't mean you get to create these pages [20:30:48] there is no policy forbidding that [20:31:06] this isn't a written-down policy because this is, again, a core principle [20:31:21] never create project pages that don't reflect consensus unless you label them as proposed [20:34:40] core principle is that it is a wiki and being bold is also a core principle [20:34:51] and frankly, i would really appreciate if you could stop giving me hard times [20:40:59] Danny_B: being bold does not apply to things like this. I'm sorry if you're being frustrated, but this criticism is intended to make sure you don't do the wrong thing again. This will be my last reply. [20:41:40] * Hazard-SJ says hello [20:41:58] * Jasper_Deng waves to Hazard-SJ [20:42:45] * Hazard-SJ is going to put his bot on Toolserver so it can run [20:43:41] * Hazard-SJ runs svn update first :P [20:46:21] New review: John Erling Blad; "You kidd'in? Not done yet?" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44858 [21:21:46] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "I'm guessing you where drunk when you wrote those inline comments and perhaps still are? ;p" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44858 [22:41:07] Yay I got over 3,000 edits :D [22:42:41] techman224: Yay, I've got a bot! :P [22:43:13] Hazard-SJ, with no bot flag [22:43:31] techman224: :S since when? [22:43:31] Yay, we are happy :P [22:44:19] techman224: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=&user=&page=User%3AHazard-Bot%40wikidatawiki&year=&month=-1&tagfilter= [22:44:52] Vogone: Not entirely, but we'll live :) [22:50:28] Hazard-SJ, well then that would be your second request [22:55:18] or fourth [22:57:46] techman224: It technically has a bot flag [22:57:55] Hazard-SJ, I know [23:19:31] techman224: Would you mind doing me a favor on Wikimedia Commons? [23:36:42] Hazard-SJ, yes? [23:38:08] techman224: Run through https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:DoubleRedirects please :P [23:45:32] Lydia_WMDE: hey [23:45:40] just a short question [23:45:43] did I use the statements here: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/q4345526 in the right way? [23:45:50] hey benestar :D [23:46:13] hi Vogone :) [23:46:36] Vogone: what do you think? http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/q4345526 [23:47:34] benestar: hey [23:47:37] looking [23:47:43] thx [23:48:04] benestar: looks good to me but i'm not a biologist :) [23:48:18] well, this is copied from the wikipedia article ;) [23:48:22] hehe [23:48:23] ok [23:48:28] I just want to understand the basic functionality [23:48:33] Copyvio :O [23:48:37] hehe [23:48:57] Vogone: how would you proof it? [23:48:58] * Vogone emergency deletes :P [23:49:24] is it now possible to add sources by the way? [23:49:50] benestar: how would I proof what? [23:49:58] the copyvio [23:50:12] this are facts, plain facts [23:50:19] well, your statement is the proof :P [23:50:28] :P [23:50:37] damned [23:51:05] benestar: prove* [23:51:19] ups [23:51:22] oh, yes [23:51:45] thanks, Hazard-SJ [23:53:09] You're welcome [23:53:32] you too :P [23:54:22] Hazard-SJ, somethings wrong [23:55:19] techman224: Where? :| [23:55:35] Here, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Photograph_of_a_group_of_unidentified_dignitaries_in_the_doorway_of_the_Lincoln_Museum_at_Ford%27s_Theater_in..._-_NARA_-_199494.tiff [23:55:41] Where did the info go? [23:59:07] techman224: Was there any initially? :S [23:59:37] The first version of the page visible to be is the move