[00:02:21] <hoo>	 Lydia_WMDE: Do we have testing credentials for wikidata-test on labs? Don't want to register an account right now
[00:02:41] <aude>	 hoo: we do
[00:02:43] <aude>	 one sec...
[00:23:35] * aude  sleep....

[00:23:41] <aude>	 see folks tomorrow
[00:26:31] <hoo>	 Nighty, aude ;)
[00:53:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hoo man; "Fix message parsing on the client in wbclient.linkItem" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48985
[02:21:23] <duh>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/User_pages <-- i generated a list of items with links to enwiki userpages if anyone wants to fix them
[02:21:32] <duh>	 there are like...4.
[02:23:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hoo man; "Make wbclient.linkItem more user friendly" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48997
[03:14:46] <duh>	 any admin around who can import some templates for me?
[03:15:58] <duh>	 !admin spambot attack
[03:19:51] <Moe_Epsilon>	 duh: sure
[03:21:23] <duh>	 lemme find it
[03:21:29] <Moe_Epsilon>	 soeoduh: blocked. Someone else deleted :p
[03:21:36] <Moe_Epsilon>	 derp
[03:21:38] <Moe_Epsilon>	 duh*
[03:21:40] <duh>	 yeah jdelanoy gblocked it
[03:21:59] <duh>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:DBR_row
[03:24:40] <Moe_Epsilon>	 done
[03:26:53] <duh>	 also if you have some free time, https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/User_pages can be cleaned up
[03:29:53] <Moe_Epsilon>	 god, i'm failing with the doc
[03:29:54] <Moe_Epsilon>	 >:
[03:32:50] <Moe_Epsilon>	 there we go, I think..
[03:33:54] <duh>	 thanks :)
[03:34:03] <duh>	 i'm working on setting up some more default ones
[03:34:11] <duh>	 broken redirects, indef ip blocks, etc
[03:34:34] <duh>	 also, https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Database_reports
[03:35:24] <Moe_Epsilon>	 ahh :P
[03:35:40] <Moe_Epsilon>	 I like it
[03:40:21] <Moe_Epsilon>	 {{done}} with userpage dbr
[03:44:29] <duh>	 awesome
[03:44:37] <duh>	 ill eventually set it up to update daily
[03:45:26] <Moe_Epsilon>	 :) that would be awesome
[03:51:15] <Moe_Epsilon>	 duh: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Moe_Epsilon#WikiProject_U.S._Roads
[03:51:50] <duh>	 will comment
[05:17:40] <duh>	 Moe_Epsilon: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2604:180:0:0:0:0:4837:A2A8
[05:18:54] <duh>	 stryn got it
[05:19:22] <Moe_Epsilon>	 he beat me to it by a second
[05:19:23] <Moe_Epsilon>	 lol
[05:31:31] <aude>	 somebody speak french?
[05:31:48] * aude  found 2 french articles that should be merged

[05:32:02] <aude>	 and then fix the wikidata items :D
[05:34:15] <aude>	 alright, tagged the pages
[05:40:17] <yurik>	 are there any API extensions added to the sites that USE wikidata (not the REPO)
[05:41:27] <aude>	 yurik: there is one tiny one that provides info about the connected repo
[05:41:45] <aude>	 we might add stuff like namespace configurations, so bots can know
[05:41:48] <yurik>	 aude: that's good - i need something so that bots would know if wikidata is enabled
[05:42:04] <aude>	 there is a request to have info about whether / which interwiki links come from wikidata or not
[05:42:05] <yurik>	 this is much better way to disable interwiki bot
[05:42:12] <aude>	 yes
[05:42:22] <aude>	 it's part of meta siteinfo
[05:42:24] <aude>	 i think
[05:43:05] <duh>	 https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q4346140&diff=6461982&oldid=6461791
[05:43:07] <duh>	 ugh
[05:43:21] <aude>	 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=wikibase
[05:43:26] <duh>	 yurik: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/11073
[05:43:33] <duh>	 that will disable all bots on enwp
[05:43:41] <aude>	 for the bots that use pywikipedia
[05:43:47] <yurik>	 duh: yes, i saw that, but i don't think a blacklist is a solution
[05:43:48] <aude>	 no idea how many use which
[05:43:50] <duh>	 right
[05:43:51] <aude>	 tools
[05:44:05] <duh>	 i'm pretty sure there are very few non-interwiki.py bots on en
[05:44:09] <yurik>	 because there will always be a substantial lag before people do SVN update
[05:44:23] <duh>	 enwiki bot policy is update daily
[05:44:28] <aude>	 duh: no idea although sure there are some
[05:44:30] <duh>	 so if you dont, get blocked
[05:44:40] <duh>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Bot_owners%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=538172891
[05:44:47] <aude>	 bots appear not to be readding links in the few places i removed them, though
[05:45:06] * aude  not going crazy yet with removing links 

[05:45:16] <duh>	 :P
[05:45:26] <duh>	 I think addshore was working on a script to do it
[05:48:32] <yurik>	 aude: i was looking at siteinfo, where do you see if wikidata client is enabled?
[05:48:57] <duh>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=wikibase
[05:52:44] <aude>	 it won't have meta=wikibase
[05:54:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Fetch localized language name" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48872
[05:55:46] <yurik>	 oki, so i guess we need to do this query and check for the error code 
[06:24:42] <yurik>	 i'm begining to think that statements should be moved to the bottom, after the langlinks
[06:25:13] <yurik>	 they are not done yet, lots of experimentation with them, and they are very verbose :(
[06:25:27] <yurik>	 (take up a lot of space)
[06:26:49] <duh>	 aude: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44985
[06:27:37] <yurik>	 duh: bad link in description
[06:27:49] <duh>	 ugh
[06:27:57] <duh>	 stupid parentheses
[06:29:32] <yurik>	 is that a normalization bug?
[06:30:36] <duh>	 no clue…i just report them :P
[06:32:28] <yurik>	 duh: why did you say it fills it out incorrectly?
[06:32:41] <duh>	 isn't it autofilled with js or something?
[06:33:18] <yurik>	 oh, sorry, it's missing the namespace
[06:33:53] <duh>	 lol
[06:33:59] <duh>	 you called me duh on the ml :P
[06:35:07] <yurik>	 do you think i have a table of names here?! :D
[06:35:15] <yurik>	 duh is duh
[06:35:34] <duh>	 i was actually considering getting a global rename
[06:35:44] <duh>	 except someone has like 15 edits on dewiki or something
[06:35:54] <yurik>	 duuuh?
[06:36:14] <duh>	 wat
[06:36:15] <duh>	 https://toolserver.org/~quentinv57/sulinfo/Duuuuh
[06:36:18] <duh>	 4 edits on enwiki
[06:36:30] <duh>	 https://toolserver.org/~quentinv57/sulinfo/Duuuh
[06:36:36] <duh>	 1 on dewiki
[06:36:42] <yurik>	 duh: take "Duuuh" - it doesn't exist!
[06:37:02] <yurik>	 oh, oops
[06:37:40] <yurik>	 DuH it is
[06:37:51] <yurik>	 https://toolserver.org/~quentinv57/sulinfo/DuH
[06:37:54] <duh>	 haha
[06:38:18] <duh>	 I managed to get User:duh on meta, but that won't let me grab the global account.
[06:38:32] <yurik>	 endjoy
[06:38:49] <yurik>	 yeah, its tough
[06:39:07] <yurik>	 back in the days i went to every single lang at the time, and created an account
[06:39:11] <yurik>	 manually
[06:39:15] <duh>	 heh
[06:39:22] <yurik>	 with some crafty URL
[06:39:27] <yurik>	 and lots of browser windows
[06:39:28] <duh>	 now we have Krinkle's tool :D
[06:39:37] <yurik>	 ?
[06:39:45] <yurik>	 SUL?
[06:39:54] <duh>	 hit "start" on the js script and it auto-creates your account on every language
[06:39:55] <duh>	 yeah
[06:40:20] <duh>	 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Krinkle/Tools/Global_SUL
[06:40:26] <duh>	 And the API now supports account creation
[06:41:03] <yurik>	 but i thought SUL was enabled many years ago
[06:43:05] <duh>	 it seems like a long time ago
[06:43:19] <duh>	 i remember waiting for it to "go live" for non admins and rushing to merge accounts
[06:43:19] <yurik>	 so why create local accounts now?
[06:45:47] <rschen7754>	 yeah, so much for focusing while studying...
[06:46:12] * duh  waves to rschen7754 

[06:46:18] <rschen7754>	 hi
[06:46:33] <duh>	 any suggestions to the message besides its only in english? :P
[06:47:26] <rschen7754>	 seemed fine
[06:47:51] <duh>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Legoktm/Wikidata <-- suggestions anyone?
[06:48:07] <duh>	 oh and did you see WD:DBR? :D
[06:48:52] <rschen7754>	 ooo ok
[06:49:32] <duh>	 Jasper_Deng: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Project_chat&diff=prev&oldid=6467278 and https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q37587&diff=prev&oldid=6463653
[06:49:46] <Jasper_Deng>	 so you want a blacklist?
[06:49:52] <duh>	 something
[06:50:03] <rschen7754>	 sacked
[06:50:32] <rschen7754>	 do we need an AIV?
[06:51:03] <Jasper_Deng>	 hhm.... haven't seen many reports from non-admins on-wiki
[06:51:13] <Jasper_Deng>	 duh and PinkAmpersand have requested plenty on IRC
[06:52:42] <Jasper_Deng>	 rschen7754: if we are getting an AIV, we'd need them reported on IRC, most likely
[06:52:52] <duh>	 the bot can do that
[07:11:26] <rschen7754>	 man everyone keeps asking about wiktionary/wikisource/wikispecies/commons/etc
[07:12:00] <duh>	 yeah!
[07:12:05] <duh>	 discrimination to wikipedias!
[07:40:48] <Moe_Epsilon>	 just thinking about it, is there a logical reason why we can't blacklist all URLs in descriptions? I can't think of a reason why we can't. We could describe anything without putting a URL in a description
[07:41:07] <rschen7754>	 i don't think we can technically
[07:41:32] <Moe_Epsilon>	 i mean maybe kind of string containing http://www.
[07:41:38] <Moe_Epsilon>	 or other variants
[07:41:45] <Moe_Epsilon>	 can't stop them if that is removed
[07:41:52] <Moe_Epsilon>	 but it might stop it some
[07:42:07] <rschen7754>	 but i don't think there's a way to do it from only descriptions
[07:42:17] <Moe_Epsilon>	 oh, okay, I get you
[07:42:21] <Moe_Epsilon>	 hmm :/
[07:46:19] <duh>	 rschen7754: not even with abusefilter?
[07:46:29] <rschen7754>	 duh: dunno about that
[07:46:30] <duh>	 i havent played with the wikidata version of it
[07:46:42] <duh>	 also, i was bold and fixed https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:No_personal_attacks
[07:46:47] <duh>	 based on what someone had imported
[07:47:44] <duh>	 if someone can mark it for translation
[07:47:47] <duh>	 i have no idea how to do that
[07:47:52] <Jasper_Deng>	 duh: I just reverted you - there's a part that must be discussed first
[07:47:58] <duh>	 what part?
[07:48:13] <Jasper_Deng>	 see my edit summary
[07:48:13] <duh>	 in what circumstance is it ever ok to make personal attacks?
[07:48:26] <Jasper_Deng>	 it is never
[07:48:27] <duh>	 oh
[07:48:47] <rschen7754>	 why don't we just pull that from the policy for now and mark it accepted?
[07:49:03] <duh>	 {{fixed}}
[07:49:06] <duh>	 rschen7754: just did that
[07:49:13] <rschen7754>	 ok
[07:49:22] <duh>	 well
[07:49:26] <duh>	 i didnt makr it as policy
[07:49:30] <duh>	 ill let Jasper_Deng do that :)
[07:49:57] * Jasper_Deng  doesn't want to make policy w/o consensus - he's just very cautious

[07:50:14] <duh>	 sigh
[07:50:30] <duh>	 would you not consider it edit warring if i mark it as policy again?
[07:51:03] * Jasper_Deng  would prefer to discuss per BRD, but this is rather irrelevant

[07:51:21] <duh>	 arent we discussing it? lol
[07:51:44] <Jasper_Deng>	 I don't think an IRC discussion might be enough....
[07:52:02] <duh>	 really?
[07:52:11] <duh>	 you think people will oppose making that policy as it is?
[07:52:53] <Jasper_Deng>	 I'd think it might be good as-is, but I always feel bad about making policies w/o consensus
[07:52:58] * Jasper_Deng  waves to wctaiwan

[07:53:17] * rschen7754  is getting rather annoyed at huwiki

[07:53:18] <wctaiwan>	 hey.
[07:53:25] <duh>	 well i'm going to be bold again
[07:53:29] <wctaiwan>	 smelled drama and came here :P
[07:53:35] <Jasper_Deng>	 lol
[07:53:45] <duh>	 if people want to change it more, they can do it, i really dont care
[07:53:54] <duh>	 quite frankly, i dont even know why this has to be spelled out
[07:54:18] <duh>	 (which is why i deleted most of the imported page)
[07:54:31] * Jasper_Deng  won't object

[07:54:37] * Jasper_Deng  only won't do such a thing himself

[07:54:50] <wctaiwan>	 duh: but civility.. ahem
[07:54:59] * wctaiwan  clears throat, shuffles back to his corner

[07:54:59] <duh>	 someone should tell mathonious GS's are allowed to delete on wikidata
[07:55:02] <duh>	 https://www.wikidata.org/?diff=6472090&oldid=6443498&rcid=6484287
[07:55:09] <rschen7754>	 yeah, that would never fly on enwiki :P
[07:55:11] <duh>	 Jasper_Deng: ^
[07:55:40] <Jasper_Deng>	 duh: one of the unwritten GS practices is to abstain from doing things w/ many local sysops
[07:55:46] <duh>	 meh
[07:56:07] <Jasper_Deng>	 user blocked anyway
[07:56:29] <duh>	 anyway
[07:56:34] <duh>	 so can someone set up the translate thingy?
[07:56:45] * Jasper_Deng  doesn't have translation admin

[07:57:04] <duh>	 Riley: 
[07:57:21] <duh>	 Danny_B: 
[07:57:44] <rschen7754>	 i can run for translation admin really quick :P
[07:57:58] <Danny_B>	 yes?
[07:58:06] <duh>	 hi :D
[07:58:14] <duh>	 can you set up the translate thingy on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:No_personal_attacks
[07:58:26] <Danny_B>	 sure
[07:58:56] <Danny_B>	 not right now (just woke up, breakfast... you know... ;-)), but within an hour, ok?
[07:59:13] <duh>	 sure, no rush :)
[07:59:29] <Danny_B>	 [[test]]
[07:59:48] <duh>	 ?
[08:00:08] * Danny_B  was checking if there is any linking bot here

[08:00:23] <Danny_B>	 wondering about bringing mine
[08:01:31] <duh>	 i woudnt mind, but i normally paste full URLS :P
[08:15:53] <Jasper_Deng>	 I've already deleted http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?oldid=6473654&rcid=6485854 once as not having notability....
[08:17:16] * Moe_Epsilon  deletes again

[08:18:24] * Danny_B  really wonders about the notability rule. wikidata is supposed to be aggregation project. what is notable on one wiki doesn't have to be notable on other one (typical examples are local stuffs). but wikidata does not have mandate to judge it.

[08:19:11] <Jasper_Deng>	 Danny_B: notability currently means you must have an article on any WP
[08:19:21] <Danny_B>	 which is correct
[08:19:31] <Moe_Epsilon>	 notability will evolve. Through stage 1 it was just means an article on WP has to exist, stage 2 is being decided on
[08:19:51] <Moe_Epsilon>	 which might not be done, pending how quick phase III is :p
[08:20:27] <Moe_Epsilon>	 either way it will have to evolve as the site does
[08:20:56] <Danny_B>	 i can't imagine where it would evolve
[08:21:21] <Danny_B>	 notability defined as "at least on one wp article exists" is exact
[08:21:56] <Danny_B>	 (besides i wouldn't call it notability, but rather sth like criterion to add item)
[08:22:28] <Danny_B>	 notability term can cause misunderstandings, biases and negative reception
[08:23:03] <Moe_Epsilon>	 Danny_B: In the future, we could start creating items that don't have a Wikipedia article, such as a book with information such as an ISBN, etc.
[08:23:24] <Moe_Epsilon>	 yeah, Notability might be the wrong word, that could change
[08:23:45] <Danny_B>	 ah, positive notability is ok
[08:24:05] <Danny_B>	 (= more items than distnict articles on wps is ok)
[09:13:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "Patch Set 1: Verified-1" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: -1 - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48997
[09:13:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "Patch Set 1: -Verified Code-Review-1" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48997
[09:14:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 44957) entityselector: Showing id if entity has no label" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49010
[09:19:15] <duh>	 rschen7754: just tried delivering the first message. the page was protected :?
[09:19:18] <duh>	 :/*
[09:19:21] <rschen7754>	 ?
[09:19:23] <rschen7754>	 where?
[09:19:37] <duh>	 fawiki
[09:19:41] <rschen7754>	 fawiki
[09:19:43] <rschen7754>	 link?
[09:20:05] <duh>	 https://fa.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=user_talk:Mehdi&action=edit&section=new
[09:20:52] <rschen7754>	 you just need autoconfirmed
[09:21:56] <duh>	 i'm not
[09:24:10] <rschen7754>	 uggh only have 6 edits
[09:24:11] <rschen7754>	 need 4 more
[09:25:06] <duh>	 edit your userpage a bunch of times
[09:25:14] <rschen7754>	 i'm just welcoming people :)
[09:26:02] <duh>	 wtf
[09:26:07] <duh>	 how do i type RTL
[09:26:17] <rschen7754>	 i'm autoconfirmed!
[09:26:25] <duh>	 gjob
[09:26:28] <duh>	 i found another fawiki page
[09:26:32] <duh>	 but i cant type rtl
[09:26:34] <duh>	 or 
[09:26:49] <rschen7754>	 i switched language to english and it's tolerable
[09:27:06] <rschen7754>	 snowolf's js page has a script to force LTR
[09:28:17] <rschen7754>	 i can post it if you haven't already
[09:28:30] <duh>	 https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%AB_%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%B1:%D8%AF%D8%B1%D9%81%D8%B4_%DA%A9%D8%A7%D9%88%DB%8C%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C#.D8.A7.D8.B5.D8.B7.D9.84.D8.A7.D8.AD_.D8.AF.D8.B1_.D8.B2.D8.A8.D8.A7.D9.86_.D8.A7.D9.86.DA.AF.D9.84.DB.8C.D8.B3.DB.8C
[09:28:31] <duh>	 can you fix that
[09:28:58] <rschen7754>	 it's readable… though it looks bad
[09:29:11] <duh>	 can you get https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%AB_%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%B1:Ladsgroup too?
[09:29:56] <rschen7754>	 added to the second
[09:30:14] <rschen7754>	 not really much we can do about the LTR though… at least that i know of
[09:30:36] <duh>	 i think theres a <div style="ltr"> or something
[09:30:49] <rschen7754>	 oh
[09:31:07] <duh>	 asking in #mediawiki 
[09:32:00] <duh>	 [03:31:49 AM] <Susan>	 duh: <div class="mw-ltr"> or something.
[09:32:50] <duh>	 [03:32:43 AM] <Danny_B>	 duh: <div dir="ltr">
[09:32:53] <duh>	 rschen7754: ^
[09:33:18] <rschen7754>	 yup
[09:34:09] <rschen7754>	 done both
[09:34:14] <aharoni>	 duh, need help with RTL? :)
[09:34:19] <Danny_B>	 or <span> if it's inline text
[09:34:28] <rschen7754>	 https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%AB_%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%B1:%D8%AF%D8%B1%D9%81%D8%B4_%DA%A9%D8%A7%D9%88%DB%8C%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C#About_you_bot_DarafshBot
[09:34:31] <duh>	 aharoni: i think we got it :)
[09:34:35] <Danny_B>	 aharoni: he needs help with LTR actually ;-)
[09:38:04] <duh>	 rschen7754: https://arz.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%86%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%B4_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%AE%D8%AF%D9%85:Ghaly
[09:38:13] <duh>	 can you get that one too?
[09:38:30] <rschen7754>	 looking
[09:38:51] <rschen7754>	 yeah, i can edit it
[09:40:27] <rschen7754>	 grr servers crashed
[09:41:04] <rschen7754>	 yeah, done
[09:41:13] <duh>	 thanks
[09:41:17] <rschen7754>	 np
[09:41:31] <duh>	 im a quarter through the list
[09:41:42] <duh>	 though
[09:41:46] <rschen7754>	 i'm autoconfirmed on a lot of wikis since there's no edit requrirement, just time
[09:41:56] <duh>	 its funny to see that most ops have a message from itwiki :P
[09:42:01] <rschen7754>	 yeah
[09:43:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aude; "Patch Set 1:" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48997
[09:44:54] <Danny_B>	 duh: i disagree with your removal of majority of text on npa as well as with making it guideline without any previous discussion (especially in this state)
[09:45:15] <duh>	 why?
[09:45:24] <duh>	 i dont think we need a whole page explaining what a personal attack is
[09:45:39] <Danny_B>	 we obviously do, because people do those
[09:45:47] <Danny_B>	 it does not hurt anything
[09:46:29] <duh>	 its overly beauracratic (sp?) and pointless
[09:46:31] <Danny_B>	 and i really disageee with marking it as policy. i have been bashed when i even dared to start the page without marking it as policy, recommendation or guideline
[09:46:37] <duh>	 if someone makes a PA
[09:46:43] <duh>	 ask someone uninvolved to talk to them
[09:46:43] <Danny_B>	 claimed there was no discussion
[09:47:01] <duh>	 jasper was worried about the "removing personal attacks" part
[09:47:03] <duh>	 which i took out
[09:47:05] <Danny_B>	 duh: that does not help if others do the same kind of personal attack
[09:47:22] <Danny_B>	 (to talk to third person)
[09:48:57] <rschen7754>	 i'm surprised that no interwiki bots have reverted any of my link removals
[09:49:00] <duh>	 personally i dont think theres a need. personal attacks really arent an issue on wikidata (yet :/)
[09:49:50] <Silke_WMDE>	 To those who left their coffee cups on the meeting table - I'm not gonna clean up for you this time.
[09:49:51] <Danny_B>	 duh: sorry to disappoint you, but they are.
[09:50:00] <duh>	 rschen7754: https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%AB_%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%B1:Kasir is protected for me
[09:50:23] <rschen7754>	 done
[09:50:37] <Danny_B>	 duh: npa defines exactly things which i saw in discussions here and nobody stepped in to stop it
[09:51:49] <duh>	 thats disappointing then
[09:52:05] <duh>	 id love to discuss it more
[09:52:08] <rschen7754>	 Danny_B: try enwiki… a lot worse there
[09:52:09] <duh>	 except im on a deadline right now
[09:53:34] <duh>	 ugh i hit captcha on plwiki
[09:53:48] <rschen7754>	 :(
[09:54:08] <Danny_B>	 i'm going to revert it to all content and proposal template. please start a discussion on talk page. i am ok with removal of some parts which concerns have been expressed (but those should be expressed on wiki as well)
[09:56:32] <rschen7754>	 es.wikipedia's autoconfirmed is 50 edits :(
[09:56:44] <Danny_B>	 which is good
[09:57:23] <duh>	 Danny_B: fine by me, but i probably wont have time to engage in discussion
[10:00:05] <duh>	 ahhhh im tired
[10:00:26] <duh>	 doing this by hand is not fun
[10:01:15] <rschen7754>	 hey, i created 700+ userpages and js pages by hand
[10:01:18] <rschen7754>	 no complaining :P
[10:02:31] <duh>	 :o
[10:02:36] <duh>	 i can do that in no time with a bot.
[10:03:02] <rschen7754>	 until it gets blocked on 15 wikis because they're not on the global bot policy :/
[10:03:06] <Danny_B>	 duh: let people spend / waste their time on what they want... ;-)
[10:03:15] <duh>	 well i meant using my account
[10:03:27] <duh>	 Danny_B: :P
[10:03:30] <rschen7754>	 pathoschild got blocked on en.wikinews
[10:03:37] <duh>	 thats enwikinews
[10:03:42] <duh>	 They blocked EdwardsBot too
[10:03:57] <rschen7754>	 they got so mad at mzmcbride
[10:03:58] <duh>	 "The news site that can't receive news"
[10:04:04] <rschen7754>	 GOD BLESS AMERICA!
[10:04:57] <Danny_B>	 where used to be semi-official bot something like wikimedia notificator or so...
[10:05:01] <Danny_B>	 *there
[10:07:54] <duh>	 ok, time to go again
[10:10:38] <duh>	 rschen7754: https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%AB_%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%B1:Reza1615 is protected for me
[10:10:59] <rschen7754>	 done
[10:11:29] <duh>	 thanks
[10:11:33] <rschen7754>	 np
[10:11:52] <duh>	 lol
[10:11:55] <duh>	 https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Rubinbot#Adding_interwiki_to_pages_that_no_need_it_.5Bhe.wikipedia.org.5D
[10:12:03] <duh>	 itwiki, hewiki, and now enwiki :P
[10:12:32] <rschen7754>	 lol
[10:12:35] <rschen7754>	 just missing hu
[10:13:06] <rschen7754>	 and i get the feeling we may be blocking that bot
[10:14:19] <duh>	 well we have the edit filter ready
[10:15:01] <rschen7754>	 heh that bot is still blocked on he
[10:21:09] <duh>	 https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brukerdiskusjon:ZorroIII made me lol
[10:23:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Tobias Gritschacher; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49010
[10:23:19] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49010
[10:23:53] <rschen7754>	 wow WMDE's connection must have cut out
[10:30:37] <Lydia_WMDE>	 rschen7754: heh yeah the office network does that sometimes...
[10:30:40] <Lydia_WMDE>	 too often actually
[10:31:02] <Lydia_WMDE>	 (me has a quassel core on another server so isn't affected usually)
[10:32:00] <Tobi_WMDE>	 Lydia_WMDE: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44536
[10:32:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Preventing suggestion list scrollbars in entity selector widget" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48842
[10:33:58] <duh>	 rschen7754: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Alch_Bot <-- i cant find approval for this bot anywhere, nor is it flagged
[10:34:12] <duh>	 not locally nor globally
[10:35:36] <aharoni>	 Hallo.
[10:35:39] <aharoni>	 Any plan to fix https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41573 ?
[10:35:49] <aharoni>	 People in the Hebrew Wikipedia complain about it.
[10:36:56] <rschen7754>	 yeah, that's a realllly annoying bug
[10:37:08] * rschen7754  votes for it

[10:37:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(bug 44095) enhanced claim diff visualizaion including refs" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48459
[10:38:22] <duh>	 nooo
[10:38:29] <duh>	 vote on the &bot=1 bug for properties
[10:38:35] <duh>	 very important :P
[10:39:50] <Lydia_WMDE>	 aharoni: looking
[10:40:20] <Lydia_WMDE>	 aharoni: i don't think it's currently on anyone's radar but i will bring it up
[10:40:30] <Lydia_WMDE>	 if anyone else wants to work on it please say so
[10:43:43] <duh>	 rschen7754: DONE
[10:43:50] <duh>	 and i got one note on my talk too
[10:43:51] <rschen7754>	 :)
[10:44:34] <duh>	 rschen7754: can you block https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Alch_Bot as an unapproved bot?
[10:44:51] <rschen7754>	 i thought global interwikis were allowed on enwp… are they not without approval?
[10:45:33] <duh>	 its not a global bot
[10:45:49] <rschen7754>	 oh
[10:45:51] <duh>	 and it requires local approval or something stupid
[10:46:20] <rschen7754>	 done
[10:47:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "(Bug 44765) Agg user-select:none to wb-u-toolbar and -group" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49020
[10:50:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 44744) copyright tooltip will now always be shown" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49021
[10:51:10] <duh>	 Lydia_WMDE: can we get https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44985 backported to enwiki then?
[10:51:33] <Lydia_WMDE>	 duh: will ask, yes
[11:26:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 44744) Site links table: Attaching table headers earlier" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49025
[11:29:40] <aude>	  /window 50
[11:29:53] <aude>	 ooops :)
[11:32:59] <aude>	 aharoni: noting the bug but have a bunch of other things to get to first :/
[11:50:01] <rschen7754>	 duh: https://fa.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%AB_%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%B1%3ALadsgroup&diff=9368620&oldid=9368442
[11:59:50] <duh>	 rschen7754: i think that means they upgraded?
[11:59:55] <rschen7754>	 yup
[12:04:32] * aude  assumes henning's crew already has 4 people

[12:04:42] <aude>	 Tobi_WMDE: ^
[12:04:50] <aude>	 :D
[12:10:46] <Jeblad_WMDE>	 Creation of Wikidata:Chemistry task force to regroup all elements about chemistry. Snipre (talk) 12:06, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
[12:10:54] <Jeblad_WMDE>	 Reordering the periodic system? =)
[12:10:59] <rschen7754>	 lol
[12:21:59] <aude>	 DanielK_WMDE: AnjaJ_WMDE https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/48833/
[12:22:10] <aude>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/48834/
[12:25:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Document configuration settings." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49030
[12:34:54] <Tobi_WMDE>	 aude: think you can join us
[12:35:11] <aude>	 Tobi_WMDE: we have a team of 3
[12:35:34] * aude  usually will be me + friend

[12:35:41] <Tobi_WMDE>	 aude: ah, ok. then we'll have two awesome teams again.
[12:35:45] <aude>	 sure
[12:35:55] <aude>	 hennings worst nightmare :P
[12:37:05] <Silke_WMDE>	 Lydia_WMDE: Nicole und ich reden über Amsterdam/Toolserver - willst Du dabeisein oder gerade nicht?
[12:37:24] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Silke_WMDE: busy - sorry :/
[12:37:27] <Silke_WMDE>	 ok
[12:38:47] <yurik>	 could CORS be enabled on wikidata servers pls?
[12:39:28] <aude>	 yurik: ok the wikidata test system?
[12:39:34] <aude>	 on the ....
[12:39:55] <yurik>	 aude: ??
[12:40:08] <aude>	 yurik: or on wikidata.org ?
[12:40:15] <Tobi_WMDE>	 aude: you've a table already?
[12:40:15] <yurik>	 wikidata.org
[12:40:17] <aude>	 ok
[12:40:30] <aude>	 Tobi_WMDE: we are going early.  they said that would be ok
[12:40:30] <yurik>	 this way they can access wikipedia stuff
[12:40:38] <aude>	 next time, we will reserve early
[12:40:41] <Tobi_WMDE>	 ok
[12:40:54] <aude>	 yurik: should be possible
[12:40:59] <aude>	 can you make a bug ticket for that?
[12:41:01] <aude>	 please?
[12:41:07] <yurik>	 aude: It would be great for NavPopups to work
[12:41:12] <aude>	 sure
[12:42:44] <yurik>	 aude: would it make sense to try it on the test servers?
[12:42:52] <aude>	 yurik: not sure
[12:43:19] <aude>	 we want cors there too, though and there's a patch in gerrit for that
[12:43:43] <yurik>	 i'm hoping for the langlinks to popup so that "preview" can be removed
[12:44:15] <aude>	 huh?
[12:44:26] <aude>	 where is that/
[12:44:28] <aude>	 ?
[12:44:50] <aude>	 ah, nav popups?
[12:44:58] <yurik>	 yep
[12:45:02] <aude>	 ok
[12:45:06] <yurik>	 sooo much easier to use :)
[12:46:07] <aude>	 yes that would be nice
[12:46:16] <yurik>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44994
[12:46:22] <aude>	 thanks
[12:47:19] * aude  puts it on my todo list

[12:47:32] <yurik>	 thanks!
[12:48:15] <yurik>	 aude: i also left a comment on their page:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Tools/Navigation_popups#WikiData_support
[12:48:30] <aude>	 ok
[12:49:09] * aude  goes to eat.... back later

[12:49:35] * aude  goes to eat.... back later

[12:49:37] <aude>	 oops
[12:49:50] <yurik>	 aude:  too much food?
[12:49:55] * aude  should not have two screens

[12:50:17] <yurik>	 yep. I believe in 4, 2x2 grid
[13:07:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Add minwiki to sort order" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48834
[13:09:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Add minwiki to sort order" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.21-wmf10) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49036
[13:10:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "set default review branch to mw1.21-wmf10" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.21-wmf10) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49037
[13:12:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "(bug 44222) check for enhanced changes preference in more places" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.21-wmf10) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49038
[13:13:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Kinzler; "Patch Set 2: Code-Review-1" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48834
[13:17:55] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Daniel Kinzler; "wait until change to master is fixed" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.21-wmf10) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49036
[13:18:09] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Daniel Kinzler; "oopos" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.21-wmf10) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49037
[13:32:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Kinzler; "Patch Set 2: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48833
[13:32:07] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Daniel Kinzler; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48833
[13:32:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Kinzler; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.21-wmf10); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49038
[13:32:31] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Daniel Kinzler; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.21-wmf10) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49038
[13:36:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Anja Jentzsch; "Patch Set 1: Code-Review-1" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49030
[13:38:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "Add minwiki to sort order" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48834
[13:38:44] <aude>	 DanielK_WMDE: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/48834/
[13:41:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Anja Jentzsch; "Patch Set 3: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48834
[13:41:28] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Anja Jentzsch; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48834
[13:49:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Add minwiki to sort order" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.21-wmf10) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49036
[13:50:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Kinzler; "Patch Set 2: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.21-wmf10); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49036
[13:50:27] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Daniel Kinzler; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.21-wmf10) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49036
[13:53:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aude; "Patch Set 1:" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49030
[14:00:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 44950) Improving inputAutoExpand plugin compatibility" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49045
[14:03:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Kinzler; "Patch Set 1:" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49030
[14:20:31] <yurik>	 aude: is there a plan to allow site-specific sort order?
[14:20:37] <yurik>	 for the lang links
[14:20:45] <yurik>	 this was one of the top voted bugs of all times :)
[14:20:47] <aude>	 yurik: we have 3 options only
[14:21:02] <aude>	 code
[14:21:06] <aude>	 alphabetic 
[14:21:20] <aude>	 and there's an "alphabetic revised" that is used by some wikipedias
[14:21:42] <yurik>	 is there a way for site-defined one?
[14:21:45] <aude>	 we don't support more custom orders yet though 
[14:21:57] <aude>	 not yet
[14:22:20] <aude>	 it's something we think about
[14:22:30] <yurik>	 just to verify - we are talking about the lang links list on the client site
[14:22:35] <aude>	 yes
[14:22:43] <yurik>	 sites won't be happy
[14:22:50] <aude>	 it would have to be a setting or config somewhere
[14:23:02] <aude>	 right now it's super hacky defined on a meta wiki page
[14:23:09] <yurik>	 because some had made specific changes to the interwiki bots to sort in their own order
[14:23:12] <aude>	 or in a system message
[14:23:16] <aude>	 right
[14:23:24] <yurik>	 system message might work
[14:23:25] <aude>	 we might be able to add a few more sort orders
[14:23:34] <aude>	 but not 300 different orders
[14:23:35] <yurik>	 i don't think we should maintain them
[14:23:44] <yurik>	 let the sites deal with it
[14:23:47] <aude>	 no, but system messages are error prone too
[14:23:56] <yurik>	 how so?
[14:24:08] <aude>	 they have to format them right
[14:24:22] <aude>	 i'd prefer something in gerrit
[14:24:33] <yurik>	 nah, just do a split by space + newline
[14:24:33] <aude>	 in mediawiki-config maybe
[14:24:43] <aude>	 maybe, but ugh :)
[14:24:45] <yurik>	 not sure i like it in gerrit - too hard for admins to change
[14:24:51] <aude>	 true
[14:25:02] <yurik>	 let the local admins deal withit, and provide a global default
[14:25:14] <yurik>	 anything they don't list will be added at the bottom
[14:25:19] <yurik>	 in the global order
[14:25:20] <aude>	 heh
[14:25:43] * aude  see what we can do but got a bazillion things to do right now

[14:26:00] <yurik>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2867
[14:26:03] <aude>	 but looking how to keep the sites and interwiki stuff updated, and that includes sort order
[14:26:11] * aude  nods

[14:26:31] <yurik>	 thx :)
[14:26:47] * aude  wonders how many wikipedias have custom orders besides the 3 choices

[14:26:52] <aude>	 serbian is one i know
[14:27:08] <yurik>	 hebrew does too i think - they want english as first
[14:27:12] <aude>	 no
[14:27:16] <aude>	 we can do prepending fine
[14:27:20] <aude>	 already do that
[14:27:59] <aude>	 hungarian also puts english first
[14:29:13] <yurik>	 http://pastebin.com/55DAsLCD
[14:29:30] <yurik>	 that's the list for wikipedia
[14:29:54] <aude>	 yurik: thanks
[14:30:03] <yurik>	 that's from the wikipedia_family.py
[14:30:04] <aude>	 that's from pywikipedia
[14:30:06] <aude>	 ah
[14:30:09] <yurik>	 yep
[14:30:11] * aude  checks it

[14:30:33] <aude>	 having some list like this in gerrit mediawiki-config would be quite useful
[14:30:47] <yurik>	 no no no, no gerrit for this :)
[14:31:16] <aude>	 well, we need a list of which wikis have which config
[14:31:16] <yurik>	 look at the bottom of https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2867 -- someone just recently submitted yet another patch
[14:31:44] <yurik>	 why? we should just navigate there and modify the message
[14:32:02] <aude>	 hmm
[14:32:02] <yurik>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/24211/
[14:32:14] <aude>	 it'd be nice to have a global sort order for the main types
[14:32:41] <yurik>	 what's the main types?
[14:32:52] <aude>	 code, alphabetic and alphabetic revised
[14:32:58] <aude>	 those are maintained on metawiki now
[14:33:02] <yurik>	 i would personally like to have all the languages i know to be listed at the top
[14:33:18] <aude>	 i don't see us querying metawiki system message as part of the extension
[14:33:40] <aude>	 yurik: that would probably need to be a gadget or JS thing to custom sort for everyone
[14:34:16] * duh  thinks sort order is silly and should just be alphabetical

[14:34:21] <duh>	 so may more important bugs :P
[14:34:22] <aude>	 heh
[14:34:22] <yurik>	 that's true, a gadget in this case might work, but for non-logged in users the site should be the only guide really - look at all the talks in that bug
[14:34:25] <duh>	 many*
[14:34:29] <yurik>	 heh, true true
[14:34:31] <aude>	 people are particular about it
[14:34:43] <yurik>	 that's what people see the most about the lang links
[14:35:16] <yurik>	 i mean - if you think about it, the ONLY use of wikidata phase 1 for the world is that list
[14:35:31] <yurik>	 and the order of that list is the biggest part of it
[14:35:40] <duh>	 nah
[14:35:46] <duh>	 i think interwiki conflicts are more important
[14:36:08] <yurik>	 that's important for the writers, but there are waay more readers out there :)
[14:36:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "(Bug 44765) Add user-select:none to wb-u-toolbar and -group" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49020
[14:36:38] <aude>	 ls
[14:36:44] <yurik>	 and when they see one page, with a list of links, they could get a huge immediate benefit from that list being in a good order
[14:36:44] <aude>	 grrr
[14:36:47] <yurik>	 :)
[14:36:50] <yurik>	 ok, i'll stop
[14:37:16] * aude  goes back to bug fixing but see what we can do about sort order soon as is possible

[14:37:21] <aude>	 among all the stuff to do
[14:37:27] <yurik>	 hehe
[14:37:29] <yurik>	 thx
[14:37:36] * aude  welcomes volunteer contributions too to coding :)

[14:37:59] <aude>	 that's a way to get something done *now*
[14:42:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "Fix sort order for minwiki for alphabetic and revised" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.21-wmf9) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49050
[14:42:28] <aude>	 yurik: ^
[14:42:45] <aude>	 for now, looks like i need to change enwiki to be alphabetic :)
[14:42:48] * aude  doing

[14:43:07] <yurik>	 aude: hehe, i wish i could - swamped literally :(
[14:43:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aude; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.21-wmf9); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49050
[14:43:35] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aude; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.21-wmf9) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49050
[14:43:39] <yurik>	 hmm... literally swamped might mean i turned my apt into a swamp... not sure i like the thought of that
[14:43:45] <aude>	 heh
[14:43:59] <aude>	 well at least making bug reports is helpful
[14:44:23] * aude  knew about the pywikipedia families but not sure a good way to share that knowledge with wikibase

[14:44:26] <Merlissimo>	 aude: "right now it's super hacky defined on a meta wiki page" - hey, that was my idea
[14:44:36] <aude>	 it's not specific to the extension but to wikimedia config
[14:44:37] <yurik>	 true - that interwiki sorting bug was made by ... me! in 2005 :)
[14:44:40] <aude>	 Merlissimo: it's clever
[14:46:52] * Merlissimo  never understood the srwiki and svwikt sort orders

[14:47:46] <Merlissimo>	 but reading the system message also by mediawiki should be easy
[14:48:18] <aude>	 yes but it needs to be cached.... probably is, and in a way that doesn't load the entire Language object
[14:48:21] <aude>	 it's a monster :o
[14:48:29] <aude>	 memcached or something
[14:48:55] <Merlissimo>	 heavy cache like sidebar
[14:48:57] <aude>	 we could define the few default types as system messages and allow a custom one
[14:49:00] <aude>	 yep
[14:49:49] <aude>	 although it's still wikimedia specific so makes me wonder where the right place to put the messages is 
[14:50:05] <aude>	 core? (nah) or an extension, or what
[14:50:19] <aude>	 and shouldn't be wikibase specific either
[14:53:02] <duh>	 aude: i remember someone mentioning there was a vagrant thing that i can use to quickly set up a wikidata test instance to develop on?
[14:53:37] <aude>	 duh: there is
[14:53:43] <duh>	 link?
[14:53:52] <aude>	 johl_: can you tell duh more about vagrant?
[14:54:00] <duh>	 well i know what vagrant is
[14:54:03] <duh>	 i just need the wikidata version
[14:54:06] <aude>	 i think it's on github somewhere and not sure how up-to-date it is
[14:54:12] <aude>	 there's a wikidata version
[14:54:20] * duh  needs the link :P

[14:54:31] <aude>	 https://github.com/SilkeMeyer/wikidata-vagrant
[14:54:32] <aude>	 found it
[14:54:56] <aude>	 the last change there is a month ago, though so i'm not sure if it needs updating
[14:55:03] <aude>	 or will *just* work anyway
[14:55:11] <duh>	 thanks :)
[14:55:30] <aude>	 sure
[15:10:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aude; "Patch Set 1:" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49030
[15:10:09] <duh>	 its taking a while for my comp to clone mediawiki-core :/
[15:10:39] <aude>	 duh: it's gigantic
[15:10:49] <aude>	 includes all the patchsets, all the branches, etc.
[15:11:00] <duh>	 yeah, i sped it up by switching out the clone urls to point to github
[15:11:04] * aude  suggest to go get some tea or coffee

[15:11:08] <aude>	 ah, ok
[15:11:11] * duh  already has some :P

[15:11:14] <aude>	 hah
[15:24:19] <notconfusing>	 Is there project-page discussing if/how Citations will be stored as properties?
[15:26:11] <johl_>	 duh, aude: sorry! just saw the conversation. yeah, the link to the wikidata-vagrant should work fine.
[15:26:43] <duh>	 it's running all the puppet stuff right now
[15:27:00] <Denny_WMDE1>	 notconfusing: working on it
[15:27:31] <johl_>	 duh: yes, this takes some time...
[15:28:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "css: Coloring for reference errors" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47843
[15:44:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 44744) copyright tooltip can now be disabled (using a cookie)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49062
[15:47:25] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Daniel Werner; "wrong stuff committed" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49062
[15:51:48] <lukas23>	 is there a gadget to delete all interwiki links of an item?
[15:52:14] <Reedy>	 lol
[15:53:38] <aude>	 Abraham_WMDE1: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Aude#Bugs has a list of my bugs and todos, each list in order of priority and ease of doing
[15:54:44] <aude>	 Abraham_WMDE1: Abraham_WMDE http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Aude#Bugs ( my bugs and todos, top ones of each section are more priority) 
[15:55:37] <Jeblad_WMDE>	 Abraham! Unsplit yourself! Commit and merge!
[15:55:43] <aude>	  http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Aude#Bugs ( my bugs and todos, top ones of each section are more priority) 
[15:55:46] <aude>	 15:54 -!- Abraham_WMDE1 [~Adium@p5DDC69B
[15:55:51] <aude>	 Abraham_WMDE2: ^
[15:56:07] <Abraham_WMDE2>	 aude: :)
[15:58:09] <aude>	 Abraham_WMDE2: is the wikimedia > wmf-deployment > wikidata component part of our bugzilla search?
[15:58:18] <aude>	 that's where deployment related stuff can go
[15:58:40] <notconfusing>	 Denny_WMDE, when you say working on it, you mean creating a project-space page on how citations might be handled as properties?
[15:58:45] <Abraham_WMDE2>	 aude: I'm aware about that, thx
[16:02:32] <aude>	 ok
[16:02:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 44744) copyright tooltip will now always be shown" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49021
[16:03:12] <Tobi_WMDE>	 Jeblad_WMDE: https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=nexus_4_16gb
[16:04:11] <Merlissimo>	 what happens if a wiki gets closed? removing all sitelinks from wikidata?
[16:05:14] <Jeblad_WMDE>	 The world explodes
[16:05:20] <aude>	 Merlissimo: i don't think we ever decided but think not removing them
[16:05:31] <aude>	 it's sort of up to the community
[16:05:43] <aude>	 it is the community to decide but technically can still be supported
[16:05:59] <Merlissimo>	 the wiki will be imported to incubator
[16:06:18] <aude>	 hmmm.... then i don't know
[16:06:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 44744) copyright tooltip will now always be shown" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49021
[16:06:29] <aude>	 is there such a wiki we should know about?
[16:06:41] * aude  doesn't know where to find out this stuff

[16:08:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 44744) copyright tooltip can now be disabled (using a cookie)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49065
[16:08:32] <Merlissimo>	 no wikipedia atm, only wikibooks and  wikiquote
[16:08:55] <aude>	 hmmm, ok
[16:08:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 44665) start/stopEditing events for claimview widget" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47842
[16:09:31] * aude  goes back to coding....

[16:11:07] <Krenair>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/37666/2/includes/content/TextContent.php - anyone here know maybe?
[16:12:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "(Bug 44536) Use SiteLink instead of Title" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49066
[16:14:44] <aude>	 Krenair: probably danielk 
[16:14:57] <aude>	 he's not here right now but perhaps tomororw or later
[16:17:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "(Bug 44536, Bug 44968) Use SiteLink instead of Title" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49066
[16:25:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Werner; "Patch Set 5: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47842
[16:25:46] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47842
[16:30:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "css: Coloring for reference errors" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47843
[16:30:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Werner; "Patch Set 4: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47843
[16:30:43] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47843
[16:34:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Werner; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49025
[16:34:36] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49025
[16:35:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 44744) copyright tooltip will now always be shown" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49021
[16:35:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aude; "Patch Set 2: Code-Review-1" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49066
[16:36:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 44744) copyright tooltip will now always be shown" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49021
[16:38:26] <Sk1d>	 Hey in the future will it be possible to use two datatypes for one property?
[16:40:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(44661) fix display of correct revision in diff view" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49068
[16:42:48] <Tobi_WMDE>	 aude: AnjaJ_WMDE: I had to reopen bug 44661 because in diff-view still the wrong revision was shown. here's the fix: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/49068/
[16:43:09] <Tobi_WMDE>	 needless to say that this is something which should be backported.. :-)
[16:45:08] <aude>	 :(
[16:46:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(bug 44095) enhanced claim diff visualizaion including refs (DNM)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48459
[16:50:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(bug 44095) enhanced claim diff visualizaion including refs (DNM)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48459
[16:58:15] <Denny_WMDE2>	 notconfusing: an opinion piece on how I envision it. It's up to the community what they actually do with it.
[17:00:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Henning Snater; "Patch Set 5: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49021
[17:00:11] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Henning Snater; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49021
[17:00:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 44744) copyright tooltip can now be disabled (using a cookie)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49065
[17:01:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Werner; "Patch Set 2: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48842
[17:01:03] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48842
[17:18:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "(Bug 44940) Add anchors and fragments" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49072
[17:19:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Werner; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49045
[17:19:20] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49045
[17:21:18] <jklamo>	 Hi, should wikidata category item label and description reflect the fact, that it is category?
[17:21:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Patch Set 8:" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48459
[17:24:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Patch Set 1: Code-Review+1" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49072
[17:29:04] <hoo>	 aude: Did you see https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48985 it's pretty trivial and could go for a fast merge (unbreaks the wikitext parsing on the client)
[17:31:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 44744) copyright tooltip can now be disabled (using a cookie)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49065
[17:36:30] <aude>	 hoo:  can take a look when i get home later
[17:36:50] <hoo>	 aude: Ok, that should be fine ;)
[17:37:42] <aude>	 http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Aude#Bugs
[17:37:49] <aude>	 you can see my todo items and it's high 
[17:38:11] <aude>	 high priority :)
[17:38:29] <hoo>	 :)
[17:41:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Henning Snater; "Patch Set 3: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49065
[17:41:10] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Henning Snater; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49065
[17:42:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Kinzler; "Patch Set 1:" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49030
[17:43:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Document configuration settings." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49030
[17:44:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: John Erling Blad; "Patch Set 2:" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49066
[17:44:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "(Bug 44536, Bug 44968) Use SiteLink instead of Title" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49066
[17:49:57] <hoo>	 aude: Do you think I have to care about b/c in the module or can I assume a clean user cache
[17:50:20] <hoo>	 It's not out on the clients yet so this could only impact testing environments, if at al
[17:50:21] <hoo>	 l
[17:50:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Make language names available in other languages." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49073
[17:53:18] <aude>	 b/c for the repo
[17:53:21] <aude>	 for the client, no
[17:53:25] <hoo>	 :)
[17:54:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Tobias Gritschacher; "Patch Set 8:" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48459
[17:59:20] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: John Erling Blad; "Patch Set 1:" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49030
[18:15:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Werner; "Patch Set 3: Code-Review-1" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48968
[19:42:29] <James_F>	 Hmm.
[19:42:58] <James_F>	 [[Q2778898]] and [[Q1919375]] share an interwiki (several, in fact).
[19:43:03] <James_F>	 I thought that this was impossible?
[19:59:07] <Merlissimo>	 how can i remove only one term of an duplicate alias string?
[19:59:23] <sumanah>	 On https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics/Kraken/Overview "ETL" means "extract, transform and load" right?
[20:02:09] <James_F>	 sumanah: Yes, I imagine so.
[20:02:31] <James_F>	 Merlissimo: Can you not click the "x" next to the alias term you want to remove?
[20:09:55] <Merlissimo>	 James_F: i am using api and for this i am telling the name of the alias to be removed. but this removes both asliases
[20:09:56] <James_F>	 Merlissimo: Oh, I have no idea about the API, sorry.
[20:11:09] <Merlissimo>	 James_F: in edit mode the duplicataion is removed
[20:11:39] <Merlissimo>	 and removing shows an error
[20:12:18] <James_F>	 Merlissimo: Have you reported a bug on bugzilla?
[20:12:30] <Merlissimo>	 James_F: you can try on http://wikidata.org/wiki/Q3595948?uselang=as
[20:13:13] <James_F>	 Merlissimo: Interesting.
[20:13:43] <Merlissimo>	 i only reported the error that is causing this problem: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44768
[20:35:05] <addshore>	 So, a better system for approving bots...? :D
[20:36:47] <Krenair>	 DanielK_WMDE: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/37666/2/includes/content/TextContent.php - can you take a look at that please?
[20:36:47] <rschen7754>	 add it to the todo list :P
[20:37:06] <addshore>	 rschen7754: were you talking to me? :O
[20:37:15] <rschen7754>	 yeah
[20:37:23] <addshore>	 im not a fan of todo lists :P I prefer to just do them ;p
[20:37:28] <rschen7754>	 lol
[20:37:44] <rschen7754>	 yeah, we have a lot of stuff to resolve, but we should take care of that soon
[20:38:06] <addshore>	 iv just started ;p
[20:40:12] <Ajraddatz>	 this whole canvassing stuff should be dealt with sooner than later
[20:40:17] <Ajraddatz>	 I might start a discussion on it tonight
[20:40:24] <Ajraddatz>	 but I'm not sure what a good solution would be.
[20:41:27] <addshore>	 a style such an enwiki?
[20:41:59] <Ajraddatz>	 I usually hate looking to enwiki for solutions, because I find that those rarely work.
[20:42:34] <rschen7754>	 i typically think commons/meta are more applicable here
[20:42:47] <rschen7754>	 but the problem is that we need bureaucrats for commons' solution to work
[20:43:26] <Ajraddatz>	 what's the link for the commons one?
[20:44:59] <Tpt_>	 JeroenDeDauw: Hi! Can you add DataValues to packagist please ? I would like to make my bot library ( https://github.com/Tpt/wikibase-api-php ) depend on it with composer.
[20:45:17] <rschen7754>	 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Offsite_discussion
[20:45:35] <rschen7754>	 i also asked trijnstel… basically it's bureaucrat discretion
[20:47:14] <Ajraddatz>	 I like the last section, isolating canvassed votes (either specifically asking to vote for a candidate, or saying in general to vote to a group of people who will obviously support one)
[20:47:28] <Ajraddatz>	 IMO we don't need bureaucrats for that, we can just do it ourselves.
[20:48:41] <rschen7754>	 maybe give the closing admin discretion, and any appeal would be to the stewards?
[20:49:25] <Ajraddatz>	 That would be ok if the closing admin was neutral, which they should be anyways.
[21:30:19] <addshore>	  http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Addshore/Wikidata:Bots/Requests ?
[21:31:01] <Wiki13>	 addshore: looks nice
[21:31:52] <Wiki13>	 makes me think of some similiar page on enwp or commons
[21:32:01] <Wiki13>	 don´t know sure which one..
[21:32:02] <addshore>	 haha :P
[21:32:04] <addshore>	 both
[21:32:15] <Wiki13>	 lol
[21:46:59] <addshore>	 Wiki13: anything you think it is missing?
[21:50:44] <Wiki13>	 not really
[22:37:44] <Pink|TV>	 duh: pssst. <small>Wouldn't it make more sense to use Legobot's name in "reason", but *not* in "comment" (since its name already appears in the sig, of course)</small>
[22:41:31] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Aude; "sufficiently stale and to be replaced with new patch" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/41918