[00:12:06] why do I keep getting errors back with filling in titles in English... [00:12:29] "An error occurred while trying to perform save and because of this, your changes could not be completed." [00:30:38] hey, could we make it so that when an item is protected, the "edit" links just disappear? [00:31:15] good suggestion [00:31:26] Jeblad_WMDE ^ [00:31:40] PinkAmpersand: file a bug. [00:31:46] (and for bonus points, a protection notice could come up in a bubble like the "You are not logged in" one) [00:32:42] PinkAmpersand, duh: both of you would be interested in https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42766 then [00:33:19] hm [00:33:33] I think that just means you have to change the message to ->parsed() [00:33:42] but that means you need to modify the extension as well probably [00:33:53] but that's not the same issue, is it? [00:34:07] this issue presumably also occurs w/ protection [00:34:20] protection and blocking are two different things [00:34:25] well they have two different checks [00:34:53] ok. so i should file a bug? [00:35:00] yes [00:35:02] PinkAmpersand: nah, I think it's related enough [00:35:06] add it to the linked ubg [00:35:09] (as a comment) [00:35:11] Jasper_Deng: no [00:35:13] theyre different [00:35:22] fundamentally different. [00:35:47] duh: btw in any case what's described in the bug has changed now [00:36:02] as w/ page protection, a (g-)blocked user will have "save" grayed out [00:36:45] well there goes alabama [00:36:48] rschen7754: was https://toolserver.org/~legoktm/cgi-bin/wikidata/logs.py?job=64 correct? [00:36:59] rschen754: ? [00:37:03] …no [00:37:21] well its only two pages, mind fixing it? [00:37:47] wow, that was a really bad prefix job on my part [00:37:49] sorry about that :P [00:37:54] no worries [00:38:43] reloaded [00:39:06] Jasper_Deng: adding statements to U.S. road articles [00:39:23] manually started teh bot [00:39:35] has anyone filed a bug yet on the fact that page protections don't show up in the histories for mainspace and propertyspace? [00:39:52] yeah, i have to sit down and get the rest of them set up for the other 49 states and other territories [00:41:08] PinkAmpersand: it should [00:41:16] PinkAmpersand: here's how i do it. If you search for 3 minutes (and you search well), and you can find a bug, file it. [00:41:20] * Jasper_Deng did the first mainspace page protection and it showed up in history [00:41:30] cant* [00:41:51] Jasper_Deng: you're right [00:42:03] something weird happened and i got confused [00:42:14] tu as tort.... expliquez-vous. [00:42:44] Though ultimately I think the abusefilter setup is "sorta works" [00:43:01] * Jasper_Deng would like variables for description, label, properties, etc. [00:43:04] is it standard for the (hist) links in Special:ProtectedPages to be automatically offset to before the protection? [00:43:08] WORKSFORME FIXED. [00:43:10] that's what confused me [00:44:02] hm [00:44:07] the girl next to me [00:44:16] "If people are mean to animals, they should die." [00:45:08] PinkAmpersand: /me sees no hist links @ Special:ProtectedPages [00:45:25] though that just may be b/c I see "change" instad [00:45:27] oh you're right. sorry. protection logs [00:45:28] rschen7754: is it just me, or is this a highway system of itself? https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q94247 [00:45:59] e.g. https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Q3234584 [00:46:06] duh: stupid prefixes lol [00:46:10] hahaha [00:46:22] check all of the logs please :P [00:46:23] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Legobot/properties.js/Archive/2013/02/19 [00:46:25] yep it seems to be a valid bug.... why the heck must it be offset anyways? [00:47:11] Jasper_Deng: exactly. [00:47:19] file it! [00:47:29] could it be fixable via MediaWiki:, though? [00:47:44] duh: seems good [00:47:49] awesome [00:47:52] * Jasper_Deng knows of no such interface message [00:48:06] PinkAmpersand: and besides, we'd like this to be fixed at its root [00:48:34] ok. first i need to file about the protected items [00:51:55] duh Jasper_Deng: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45140 please fix anything i fucked up. never filed a bug before. [00:52:58] its fine [00:53:03] your bugzilla account is new though [00:53:42] so? [00:54:40] means bugs you file are "UNCONFIRMED" [00:54:45] nbd thoug [00:54:55] oh ok [00:55:26] * Jasper_Deng was lucky to make his Bugzilla account before the default new user permissions were moved down after a vandalism (!) attack [00:56:42] hey, Jasper_Deng, apparently this "hist" link offset thing is Wikimedia-wide. possible we just haven't noticed it before? [01:05:32] hey, duh, might i draw you into my campaign to include "→‎" section links when filing at RFD? [01:05:43] um [01:05:46] what do you mean? [01:06:37] brb in 10 [01:11:20] back [01:12:01] PinkAmpersand: so what is it? [01:13:55] oh, well, I pointed out at the deletionrequest gadget talk page that it would be useful to have [[Wikidata:Requests for deletions#Q|→‎]] style links like when you create a new section, and Bene* implemented that. [01:14:28] so I thought I might see if I could talk you and Hazard into doing the same [01:14:30] i'm not following. [01:14:37] just since RFD can be such a long page [01:14:42] oh [01:14:43] you mean [01:14:46] in the edit summary [01:14:58] yeah yeah yeah. sorry. should've said that [01:15:41] hmm [01:15:51] Can I just link to #footer ? [01:15:53] good night [01:15:57] night :) [01:19:10] duh: wouldn't that not work as soon as a new section is created? [01:19:24] Well yeah. [01:19:31] (and why bother? it's only a few characters less) [01:20:29] oh, but, more importantly than that... you're an EFM on en. who do i have to ~~blow~~bribe to get the "removal of interwiki link" filter turned off? [01:20:45] why? [01:20:47] its great? [01:20:51] .* [01:23:04] yeah but 95% of the edits it flags now aren't vandalism [01:23:13] so? [01:23:16] addbot uses it [01:23:28] and it's causing mayhem like that shit TRM's pulling at WT:WDATA [01:23:37] have you seen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Addbot/log/wikidata ? [01:25:15] sigh i guess [01:25:37] could we maybe like... link the tag to WP:WDATA ? [01:29:06] idk how to do that [01:29:11] addshore: ^ [01:30:02] PinkAmpersand i had the thought of doing that while i was getting to sleep last night [01:30:11] and you have just reminded me! [01:30:19] yay! [01:30:37] ideally i'd say to link it to the "editing interlanguage links" section [01:32:52] PinkAmpersand: which bit should you say should link? [01:33:01] or add something in brackets at the end? [01:33:05] brb sry [01:33:15] :P [01:33:28] back lol [01:33:56] [[Special:Tags|Tag]]: Removal of all interwiki links ([[WP:WDATA#Editing_interlanguage_links|See Wikidata]]) ??? [01:34:07] or somewhere in the tag itself? [01:34:20] yeah, I think that sounds best [01:34:32] gimme a sec to think about phrasing though [01:35:01] xD [01:35:44] duh: I have edits the log bot slightly so now it should show all of the links that were removed and link them to the search fucntion on wikidata and see if they are in a different entry [01:36:04] awesome. [01:36:13] I literally slapped it together while leepy last night to see what it would catch :P [01:36:28] *sleepy, then worked from 8am till 11pm today xD [01:36:32] something like... "see here for details and standard best practices", maybe? [01:36:42] hmm, too long really :/ [01:36:44] or is that too wordy? [01:37:05] the details should be included on location of the link [01:37:11] i just want something that gets the balance that like... links removed... maybe that's good, maybe that's bad. depends [01:37:40] how about "Note: [[WP:WDATA#Editing_interlanguage_links|Wikidata is now live]]" [01:38:36] I'm guessing britishers don't celebrate presidents day? [01:39:02] duh no [01:39:04] pink https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Addshore/sandbox ? [01:39:38] addshore: looks great. want me to make a shortcut straight to that section? [01:40:19] could do :), but what would you name it? [01:40:42] probably best to link it to the full link really [01:41:58] how about like, an anchor... [[WP:WDATA#REMOVING]] [01:42:22] okay :) [01:43:01] :D you remembered to get both tags, right? the "removal of interwiki link" and the "removal of all interwiki links" ones? [01:43:42] hmmm, not yet :p [01:44:01] the other filter is bad at the moment, it only matches removals of de links... [01:44:09] weird [01:44:14] or should i say wyrd [01:44:30] :P [01:46:02] so you're gonna just boldly add it? because if so I'll leave a big scary "REMOVE THIS ANCHOR AND YOU BREAK THE WIKI" note [01:46:34] I just added the full link ;p [01:46:46] oh ok :P [01:46:50] and then if the section gets removed it will still link to wikidata anyway :) [01:47:01] just about to go and fix https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/270 [01:48:32] ok. i'm adding a redundant anchor with the aformentioned big scary note [01:49:35] ewww [01:49:39] the old interewiki abuse filter only matches new (unconfirmed users) [01:49:40] 12:22, 18 February 2013 (diff | hist) . . (-376)‎ . . Light characteristic ‎ (Tag: Removal of interwiki link (Wikidata is live)) [01:49:42] now. [01:49:47] what is wrong with that? [01:50:08] duh, that is what it is...? [01:50:14] (Tag: Removal of interwiki link ) (Wikidata is live) <-- BETTER [01:50:42] oh, edit interface, eternally butchering the art of parentheses [01:51:17] * addshore goes and checks [01:52:23] duh cant do that as far as i know [01:52:32] addshore: yeah you can. [01:52:39] just stick a ) in there [01:52:41] and a ( [01:52:49] make it [01:52:50] "Removal of interwiki link ) (Wikidata is live" [01:52:55] xD [01:52:57] Plan! [01:53:50] should look nice now :) [01:54:12] yay! [01:55:19] I will expand the previous DE only edit filter to encompas all interwikis [01:56:25] no [01:56:27] that one is stupid [01:56:30] and needs to be disabled [01:57:00] it was because a bunch of vandals came over and started trashing de links [01:58:05] done [01:58:52] tempted to make the addition of IW links tag and link to wikidata also >.< [01:59:03] nah [01:59:10] :P [01:59:13] bed time then ;p [02:01:08] night addshore :) [02:02:42] tempted to add the little box on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikidata to the page rather than in talk :P [02:22:13] hm [02:22:19] another sysop around? [02:22:29] i would feel bad flagging a bot i'm running. [02:23:07] ? [02:23:15] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:UserRights/BernsteinBot [02:23:23] its the database reports bot [02:23:37] done [02:23:55] "because". [02:23:57] great. [02:23:58] ;) [04:18:54] oh, /now/ can we take the "sources" interface part out of the sitenotice? [04:19:56] isn't it still broken? [04:26:39] not as much [04:26:52] PinkAmpersand: ill tweak it [04:27:07] thx :) [04:27:42] Some pieces are not yet working, however, please use the [[Wikidata:Project chat|project chat]] to discuss issues [04:28:23] good? [04:28:39] well if the only types available are items and commons files, it's pretty broken... [04:29:36] well its better than before [04:30:06] what changed? [04:30:24] i thought you couldnt add items/commons stuff before? [04:30:28] i never tried [04:30:32] nor read what was wrong [04:30:34] no, you could [04:30:41] oh [04:30:47] well if its the same im not changing it then [05:52:26] rschen7754: wanna do me a favor? [05:52:33] ok [05:52:36] can you convert all the jobs over to the new format? [05:52:42] the new format is: [05:53:11] just add a |pid2=P22|qid=Q21}} to the current row template [05:53:24] er [05:53:25] qid2= [05:53:32] and that goes up to pid5/qid5 [05:53:43] oh, so you can do multiple now? [05:53:47] yeah up to 5 [05:53:56] hmm might be taking advantage of that [05:54:12] so on the requests page? [05:54:14] yes [05:54:19] and on the properties.js page [05:54:23] ive stopped the bot for now [05:54:32] itll be doen in like 10 minutes [05:54:39] and itll speed up by more than 50% [05:54:44] ok cool [05:54:45] it drops soo many API calls [05:55:13] so what am i adding? [05:55:19] just merge all the current jobs [05:55:30] let me do an example [05:56:26] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?diff=6954101&oldid=6953263&rcid=6967197 [05:56:46] ok, got it [05:58:31] oh wait [05:58:32] dont [05:58:36] From en:Category:Cities in Nebraska, add Legoktm with [[{{{4}}}]]. Requested by [[User:{{{5}}}|{{{5}}}]]. [05:58:36] add pid1= [05:58:45] or qid1 [05:58:48] leave those the way they are [05:58:52] guess you're a city in nebraska now [05:59:10] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?diff=6954304&oldid=6954254&rcid=6967400 [05:59:12] haha [06:00:31] the template doesn't display the multiple properties [06:01:03] yeah [06:01:07] ill fix that [06:01:20] code first, then make it look nice ;) [06:02:30] ok i think the .js file is fine [06:02:58] working on the gender ones on the talk [06:03:22] thanks [06:03:31] np [06:11:04] duh: done [06:11:08] thanks [06:11:12] nearly done with the bot [06:11:18] finally realized that it was the same 3 parameters so i could copy-paste the whole thing :P [06:22:47] ok [06:22:54] done i think. [06:24:12] :) [06:32:38] woohoo [06:33:04] oh shit [06:34:46] phew [06:34:48] one error [07:04:23] rschen7754: your categories are done [07:04:29] ok thx [07:04:43] * rschen7754 has to get the other 49 states and terrs at some point [07:05:21] the question is if you can make it to the top of popular properties :P [07:05:31] :) [07:05:38] well other countries can use it too [07:05:53] european roads are better covered on dewiki [07:08:55] hm [07:09:03] do you know those categories well enough to add them? [07:09:24] no, but i've messaged a dewiki editor [07:09:46] enwiki has the best coverage of the US and most of canada [07:10:03] and probably the UK [07:10:15] awesome :D [07:10:16] most of the major european countries have good coverage of their own countries' [07:10:24] dewiki also has good coverage [07:10:52] no idea about asia and australia [07:10:58] africa and latin america are a mess [07:12:15] duh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Highways/Countries has all the stuff for enwiki when i did a survey last year [07:13:07] :o [07:13:23] january 2012, so that's a year old [09:31:33] btw rschen7754, get all the categories you can out of the way (just directly add them, i trust you) because tomorrow i'm going to start on the first svwiki bot so it wont be able to do anything else at that time [09:31:43] ok, ok [09:31:59] its going to be fun :) [09:34:43] does the database report of most used properties run daily? [09:45:03] for now it will [09:45:33] ok [09:45:42] once it starts taking longer because they are in use more, ill change it to weekly [09:46:24] duh: how can a bot know the type of an item? [09:46:34] Zhaofeng_Li: what do you mean? [09:47:26] duh: how to get the type of a item (country, brand, person, etc) by programming [09:47:45] well you can use the properties [09:49:03] duh, we can just add a "type" property for this. [09:49:16] right [09:49:20] theres debate about that [09:49:26] P31 aka "is a" [09:49:42] also the instanceOf() thing [09:49:48] i forget if that was ever happening [09:51:36] i'll see how far i get through the US before i need to sleep [09:52:21] duh, "is a" is useful, but there is a simpler way to do this - add a "type" property [09:52:38] i think you should read the previous debates/discussions first ;) [09:53:43] duh, link pls? [09:54:06] well start with https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P31 [09:54:07] then [09:54:14] look through the archives of Project Chat [09:55:42] all right, thanks [10:08:21] Looking for something to hack on? A fix for https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45041 would make quit a few people happy. [10:16:02] New review: Anja Jentzsch; "Patch Set 4: Verified-1 -Code-Review" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: -1 - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49641 [10:19:51] Hi, is there any plans to use Wikidata for interlanguage links in projects other than Wikipedia? [10:20:24] Darkdadaah: yes [10:20:31] it is planned but not finished [10:22:02] duh: I see, thanks. [10:22:19] there should be some more links and a bug listed somewhere in the archive of Project Chat [10:30:01] up to kansas [10:39:40] when will wikidata become multilingual? [10:39:52] Zhao|supper: it is multilingual? [10:40:04] do you mean deployed on other projects? [10:40:18] duh: going to stop at maine… the rest can wait [10:40:26] gotta be in class in 7 hours [10:40:26] * duh lols at https://toolserver.org/~legoktm/cgi-bin/wikidata/logs.py?job=142 [10:40:29] ah ok [10:40:31] duh, I meant that its data is multilingual~ [10:40:31] same here [10:40:40] Zhao|supper: how is it not multilingual? [10:40:56] thanks :D [10:41:06] my bot is going to be busy for a quite a while [10:41:54] * Zhao|supper looks for an example [10:42:07] yeah, it's going to take at least another 1-2 hours to generate the template code regardless [10:44:19] Denny_WMDE: StringType is overrated :) [10:44:31] it has it's uses [10:44:44] especially for external identifiers :) [10:44:53] URLs? [10:45:07] ISBN numbers [10:45:17] or any other identifiers i guess [10:45:37] bleh, wiki is turning into a reference guide :) [10:45:40] numbers are probably waaay more important [10:46:00] they are number 2 on our list, coincidentally [10:46:14] numbers? behind strings? [10:46:31] yes [10:46:34] sigh [10:46:50] color pickers would be nice... [10:47:18] there are unpleasantly low on our list [10:47:28] you have them?!? [10:48:44] color pickers? [10:48:56] duh: HTML style :) [10:49:00] well, colors :) [10:49:03] just kidding [10:49:39] we already use wiki as an IDE (lua!) [10:49:51] time to make it so it can create web sites too! [10:50:23] one thing that would be nice [10:50:30] if there was a database view for properties [10:51:13] * yurik contemplates a wiki editor in lua that allows wiki users to write in pages in lua so they can implement an editor in lua so ... [10:51:39] duh: like that gadget for labels? [10:51:58] yurik: yeah label lister? just via mysql ;) [10:52:18] use api ;) [10:52:46] an idea i had was find items which are tagged as people with P107 but dont have "sex" set. [10:52:50] thats not very efficient. [10:53:04] oh, a wikiSQL! [10:53:06] ei [10:53:15] check with SMW [10:53:21] they have solved something like that [10:53:55] heh [10:54:04] have you ever seen [[en:WP:DBR]]? [10:54:09] duh: what happened? :P [10:54:38] rschen7754: the bot finished everything that was queued when it started running, so now itll pick everything up in…5 minutes [10:54:42] [02:49:59] <+AntiSpamMeta> High risk threat [#wikipedia-en] - duh - distributed flooding; ping ... [10:54:48] oh [10:54:51] hehehe [10:55:10] I got some comments yesterday about the creator namespace on Commons [10:55:11] i may have stabbed wctaiwan a few times. [10:55:19] Seems like there are a lot of errors [10:55:49] on commons? [10:55:51] or on wikidata? [10:55:54] Tried to figure out why and it seems like someone has run a bot that matches names without further checks [10:56:03] :/ [10:56:08] Its on commons, but they link to Wikidata [10:56:15] ah [10:56:35] Using names, and stripping of middle names, is doomed to fail [10:56:38] :/ [10:56:39] yeah [10:57:22] I'll fix what I'm told about sometimes later but I think it is to much to unwind [10:57:33] It is a hell of a lot of errors there now [10:57:36] :( [10:57:42] can we just mass rollback the bot? [10:58:07] just submitted wikimania scholarship application, will see if i get to see anyone in hong kong [10:58:12] Don't think we should do that, but we need to clean it up before we use it as a source.. [10:58:23] And we should not repeat the errors [10:58:46] argh [10:58:49] i need to fill that out [10:59:04] That is; du not assume that similar first and last name imply same person [10:59:52] first name, last name and birth year is _usually_ enough [11:00:27] if they have the wikipedia article linked, why cant they just check sitelinks and get the right item? [11:01:27] Its slightly wrong to say the errors are in the creator namespace [11:01:55] It is in the mapping of entries in the creator namespace and to the actual works in the File namespace [11:02:04] oh.... [11:02:11] that doesnt seem like a fun mess to clean up. [11:02:20] It seems like it is there the bug exploded [11:03:29] So they have linked the wrong creator for a lot of art works [11:03:37] Its really a huge mess [11:04:02] * Jeblad_WMDE goes [11:10:38] we really ought to use the original interwiki bot to do the langlink linking [11:10:50] unless i'm misunderstanding the problem :) [11:12:05] huh? [11:12:13]