[01:10:16] New review: John Erling Blad; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/50290 [01:10:17] Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/50290 [01:18:17] New review: John Erling Blad; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/50294 [01:18:19] Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/50294 [02:02:46] *sigh* Jasper_Deng, did we forget about the reconfirmation again? [02:02:57] Riley: yeah.... [02:02:59] * Riley is up for nomination so he can't close it [02:03:17] where's techman224 when we need him? [02:03:29] hmm [02:15:40] this round has no no-shows! [02:17:27] sad that happens at round seven [04:45:13] any admins around who haven;t voted on round 6? [04:45:20] or parts of round 6? [04:45:22] does it matter? [04:45:26] its just counting [04:45:40] well, it's more to avoid the appearance of a COI [04:45:44] And 3 are the most obvious passes in the world [04:45:45] Meh [04:45:56] I'd do it [04:45:57] But [04:46:05] I can't be bothered to figure out the syntax [04:46:12] i've closed the one that i didn't vote in [04:46:40] it's just {{subst:archive top}} stuff {{subst:archive bottom}} [04:46:40] 10[4] 10https://wikidata.org/wiki/Template:archive_top13 => [04:46:42] 10[5] 10https://wikidata.org/wiki/Template:archive_bottom [04:47:46] duh: maybe you can do the 3rd one since you didn't vote there? [04:47:53] oh [04:47:54] sure [04:48:11] wait [04:48:14] i have to count [04:48:15] ugh [04:48:47] lol [04:49:47] 47% nope [04:51:33] closed [04:51:37] ill do the other 2 [04:51:50] mmmm…. it caused some drama a while back... [04:52:06] 42 people supported [04:52:10] i think all the admins did [04:52:34] and if someone doubts my ability to count [04:52:36] well then... [04:53:24] ok [04:53:53] eventually we'll have crats so we don't have to deal with this [04:54:00] ill do SRP too? [04:54:05] ok [04:56:35] {{done}} [04:56:36] How efficient, duh! [04:57:05] all the admins seem at least moderately active round 7 [04:57:10] so we may reconfirm all of them [04:57:47] the stewards will auto-remove the non-reconfirmed one right? [04:57:53] i dont need to request removal for that [04:58:31] correct, typically they wait until it expires [04:58:38] though some steward goofed last round [04:59:15] unfortunately my reconfirmation's not for another month *sigh* [05:00:16] wow 7 autopatrolled requests over the last few days [05:02:07] hm [05:02:15] do you know of any other general properties we can add to the asteroids? [05:03:54] not that I can think of, besides possibly "named after" [05:05:33] arent most of them just numbers? [05:06:02] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_133600 [05:07:11] well we can't have any real quantitative data yet.... [05:10:22] ugh [05:10:26] the ignore on this is painful [05:37:50] duh: still no confirmed or rollback? [05:38:23] no [05:38:24] lemme [05:38:27] Reedy: poke [05:38:50] can you merge https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/49847/ ? [05:39:39] seems timstarling was adjusting that file a few minutes ago [05:40:56] he was messing with favicons [05:41:01] oh [05:56:20] Interestingly enough our probably-final sysop count is 42 [05:56:34] (since it looks like everyone who's still temp will be reconfirmed) [05:57:13] [[Q42]] [05:57:14] 10[6] 10https://wikidata.org/wiki/Q42 [05:59:48] Jasper_Deng: opinions on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Eweddingplancom ? [06:00:00] duh: possible spambot [06:00:13] actually, since it's made spam edits, /me blocks [06:01:14] yeah, spammer [06:01:31] blocking on enwiki under username [08:13:09] now 44 admins [10:40:38] New patchset: Anja Jentzsch; "(bug 44228) Using compatible css class option name in suggester" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.21-wmf10) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/50359 [10:44:25] Henning_WMDE: isn't that the problem when JS is turned off? [10:44:29] checked that with Daniel on Monday [10:44:54] site links can't be edited then and it looks like Lukas' screenshots [10:45:22] New review: Anja Jentzsch; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2 Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.21-wmf10); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/50359 [10:45:24] Change merged: Anja Jentzsch; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.21-wmf10) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/50359 [10:46:14] No, this is a JS problem with IE which I forgot about when implementing the original functionality. [10:48:14] when Daniel and me were testing, we found it looks the same for chrome and other w/o js [10:48:17] ok [10:54:40] but for lukas it does not even work on dev-repo (which has master) [10:54:49] The demo servers are now being updated... won't be available for a moment... [11:42:46] Hm, servers are back, but the client's Helium link list is not only updated VERY slowly but also the first link looks like this af:Helium (not the others) [11:45:12] same for other page in the test client: some links and especially the first one is displayed like that [11:45:42] http://wikidata-test-client.wikimedia.de/wiki/Sulfur http://wikidata-test-client.wikimedia.de/wiki/Hydrogen [11:46:29] Do you know if that can be related to my setup or do you have the same on your machines? [11:52:03] hello??? [12:38:49] do other people not see the statements in diff mode here? https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q9653&diff=7341372&oldid=7260693 and, if so, has the bug already been filed? [12:40:46] PinkAmpersand: I see the diff as [12:40:59] + Portman Road [12:41:09] + Football League Championship [12:41:16] so do i [12:41:19] but.... [12:41:30] i don't see anything when i scroll down to "statements" [12:43:20] PinkAmpersand: huh, odd. The statements are in the diff, but not in the view... maybe it's showing the old instead of the new revision= [12:43:22] ? [12:43:29] please do file a boug about this [12:43:35] AnjaJ_WMDE: ---^ [12:43:39] will do :) [12:43:50] PinkAmpersand: stop [12:43:56] * PinkAmpersand stops [12:43:57] there's already one [12:43:59] :) [12:44:00] * PinkAmpersand is scared [12:44:02] let me search for it [12:44:04] haha [12:44:07] no need to be [12:44:24] PinkAmpersand: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45244 [12:44:44] sorry, with all the "WMDE"s in the nicks, I read a german accent into any imperitive ;) [12:44:54] lol [12:45:32] oh thanks. now that i think about it, i'm pretty sure i saw that bug lol [12:46:07] :D [12:46:22] happens [12:47:34] when are we gonna get our rollbacker and confirmed patches? [12:48:55] PinkAmpersand: sorry - i need more explanation/context [12:49:23] the bugs that got filed so admins could add rollbacker and confirmed rights. i don't know how long those usually take [12:49:37] oh [12:49:41] do you have bug numbers? [12:49:54] umm here's one https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45165 [12:49:58] looking [12:50:23] and the other https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45124 [12:50:51] Reedy: ^ not sure who's the right person to take care of it but maybe you? [12:51:07] PinkAmpersand: looks like something ops needs to do - let's see if Reedy can help [13:03:23] is there any way to make a gadget default depending on someone's user rights? [13:15:27] PinkAmpersand: perhaps this document answers you http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Gadgets#Options [13:16:11] so that's a no? [13:16:27] or... oh wait [13:16:31] * ImprovedDeletion [rights=delete] | ImprovedDeletion.js [13:16:54] ^ enabled for groups with "delele" by default [13:17:21] oops I meant: * ImprovedDeletion [rights=delete,default] | ImprovedDeletion.js [13:17:38] so we could have [13:17:59] That's my understanding [13:18:13] * DeletionRequest [rights=autopatrol,default] | RequestDeletion.js [13:19:07] but then... would that stop others from enabling it? because we probably wouldn't want to do that [13:20:51] hmm I guess I can try it later [13:21:09] or someone else wwith better understanding will answer [13:34:35] PinkAmpersand: you are right, I confirmed on my copy of MediaWiki [13:35:17] so it /would/ stop others from enabling it? [13:37:14] in your example, people with no autopatrol right would have no option to use it [13:37:40] unless they write call it from their own common.js [13:38:01] ^ write & call [13:44:53] Hello everybody :) [13:45:11] is there a problem for editing on wikidata today ? [13:50:55] hello ? anybody reading here ? [13:51:13] hsarrazin: what's the issue? [13:51:33] hello Lydia_WMDE :) [13:51:40] hey :) [13:52:05] I'm trying to add label and description in French on Q3756674 but I cannot save my edit… [13:52:48] can you post what you want to add? [13:52:50] then i can try [13:53:01] whym: ahh ok :( because we really should make it a default, but people will complain too much about potential for abuse [13:53:49] Just the label Gabriele Rosa and description : écrivain italien [13:54:28] ok will try [13:55:36] hsarrazin: worked on www.wikidata.org [13:55:40] but not without www [13:55:46] known problem :/ [13:57:56] Lydia_WMDE: you mean, I have to change the adress from wikidata.org to www.wikidata.org ? [13:58:19] hsarrazin: yes or the other way around then it usually works [13:58:31] i'll poke about the status of this issue again [13:59:07] ok, then I have to make a notice on commons, since it was an "auto" link from a creator page … thanx Lydia_WMDE :) [13:59:30] np [14:02:23] Lydia_WMDE: Hi [14:02:36] Reedy: hey :) [14:02:43] Reedy: seen PinkAmpersand's links? [14:02:56] i'm not sure who needs to take care of those in ops [14:03:28] Yeahm I should be able to do them both.. [14:06:10] \o/ [14:06:32] yay! :D [14:18:15] Done [14:18:39] ftw [14:53:46] anyone running bots around? http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Project_chat&diff=7365949&oldid=7364799 <- can you confirm? [15:35:48] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "(Bug 45111) Fix the squashing of whitespace and control chars" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/50365 [15:39:00] what makes [[Q3029631]] one of the [[Special:LongPages]]? I don't see much content in it.. [15:39:00] 10[7] 10https://wikidata.org/wiki/Q302963113 => [15:39:02] 10[8] 10https://wikidata.org/wiki/Special:LongPages [15:40:21] ^ now I got it: a huge list of aliases in es [16:13:45] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "(Bug 45111) Fix the squashing of whitespace and control chars" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/50365 [16:14:49] hey, is autoconfirmed on WD determined by edit count and age, or just age? [16:15:27] Lydia_WMDE: ^ [16:15:44] PinkAmpersand: uhhhhm tbh i have no idea [16:15:50] and i'm not sure where to check [16:15:59] does anyone else know? [16:16:40] i don't know, but it should be the same as on other wikis. we don't have special rules, and the low level saving code is the same [16:16:51] so i'd expect the same rulkes to apply [16:17:38] ok. i was once told otherwise, though, and was surprised [16:17:59] and if we /are/ just on account age, i think i'll start a quick proposal to change that, now that we have confirmed [16:19:12] PinkAmpersand: default is four days if not set (as for enwiki) [16:19:35] Merlissimo: but do we require the 10 edits, too? [16:20:13] that is a rule for enwiki only [16:20:45] four days [16:21:05] 0 edits [16:21:50] oh. but that means like... sockmasters with SULs are autoconfirmed here [16:22:08] jawiki, jawiki plwiki ptwiki simplewiki and zh-yuewiki have also 10 edits [16:24:25] most other wiki wiki are also using defalt values (dewiki, frwiki, itwiki, nlwiki) [16:24:31] oh ok [16:35:09] whym by the way, which type P107 would you stick on that one ? [16:37:05] I mean [[Q3029631]] of course :) [16:37:06] 10[9] 10https://wikidata.org/wiki/Q3029631 [16:37:20] Salut Tpt_ :) [16:37:35] hsarrazin: Salut [16:43:11] hsarrazin: I'd say 'term' Q1969448 [16:43:49] because IIRC it's one of the EU directives [16:44:27] IIUC i meant [16:44:43] of course I have no knowledge about it to recall [16:48:30] New review: John Erling Blad; "(2 comments)" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master); V: 2 C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/50157 [16:59:33] * Moe_Epsilon pokes Lydia_WMDE [16:59:41] outsch! :D [16:59:50] wasup Moe_Epsilon? [17:00:31] Lydia_WMDE: i don't know if a bug exists, but we may need a way to alert editors they have new messages while they are editing the same page multiple times [17:00:57] Moe_Epsilon: i don't think we have any such bug [17:01:32] so please file [17:01:55] I don't think I've ever filed a bugzilla report before [17:01:59] * Moe_Epsilon snoops around [17:02:06] :D [17:02:09] Lydia_WMDE: couldn't a JS timer fire every now and again to tell you you have messages, even if you don't edit a page? [17:02:27] inductiveload: possibly - i don't know - one of the devs would need to have a look [17:02:36] or if you want you could have a look? [17:03:02] Moe_Epsilon: i could file it for you but usually it is better to have your name on it in case there are questions and so on [17:03:21] Lydia_WMDE: i'd love to, i really want to get stuck into WD [17:03:47] inductiveload: cool! you did see all the open bugs especially marked for volunteers already? [17:04:15] no, i've not started poking around a lot yet [17:04:23] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=need-volunteer%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&emailcc1=1&resolution=---&emailtype1=exact&emailassigned_to1=1&query_format=advanced&email1=wikidata-bugs%40lists.wikimedia.org&list_id=162515 has all the goodness [17:05:00] you can obviously also work on other stuff but those are the ones that we think would be especially good [17:06:37] niiice [17:07:20] i wish i had more time! [17:07:22] :D [17:07:25] don't we all... [17:10:11] Lydia_WMDE: I would greatly appreciate it if you would for me :) I can check up on it and register/comment/spy on as it is fixed [17:10:12] :p [17:10:42] Moe_Epsilon: ok - can you give me a useful summary of what you want and why please? [17:12:14] Based on how much this website uses javascript, it would probably be easiest that, once a save action is performed, it checks for new messages and sends an alert that you have new messages [17:18:45] Moe_Epsilon: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45285 [17:19:23] * Moe_Epsilon gives Lydia a cookie :3 [17:19:30] nomnomnom [17:20:46] :D [17:32:02] Lydia_WMDE: I'm really fighting to understand how to do things the right way in phase II (properties) for items I create - could you please give me the link to an explication page ? [17:32:25] I can't find it :( [17:32:32] hsarrazin: there is some things at [[Help:Statements]] [17:32:32] 10[10] 10https://wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Statements [17:32:40] but do you have specific questions? [17:32:51] maybe we can answer them here and then improve the documentation [17:33:37] well, I mostly create (or complete) pages of authors (or artists), when adding them as Creators on Commons [17:33:49] ok [17:33:55] I would like to add as much info as possible, but don't know where to begin... [17:34:08] P107 should always be added ? [17:34:34] and then which other properties ? or is it useless when there is an infobox on wp ? [17:34:50] you know [[Wikidata:List of Properties]]? [17:34:50] 10[11] 10https://wikidata.wikidata.org/wiki/List_of_Properties [17:35:08] those are the ones that the community currently agreed are ok to use [17:35:13] and what to do when infoboxes in different languages give different info ? (for example date of birth or date of death) [17:35:15] there is also a page where new ones are discussed [17:35:30] don't feel too restraint by infobox content [17:35:42] they're quite different accross languages [17:35:51] it's ok to add more in wikidata [17:36:03] and then the wikipedias will be able to decide which info they want [17:36:44] they don't use it right now and even in the future the existing infoboxes will continue to work [17:36:48] it'll not be automatic [17:37:10] template editors on each wikipedia will be able to decide when they want to show data from wikidata and which [17:37:21] does that help? [17:38:12] Lydia_WMDE: not really, no.... I would like a list of properties that "have to be present" on an author/artist page for ex. [17:38:23] that doesn't exist [17:38:28] P107 = person + Genre + Dates + ? [17:39:01] by the way, the link to List of Properties does not work... [17:39:14] https://wikidata.wikidata.org/wiki/List_of_Properties [17:39:26] errr, it's www.wikidata.org [17:39:35] not wikidata.wikidata.org [17:39:46] https://wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_of_properties [17:40:02] * Lydia_WMDE pokes AsimovBot [17:40:30] Lydia_WMDE: you may even slap in on the head :D [17:40:37] haha [17:41:29] thanx a lot :) - care for a cookie ? or you had enough with Moe_Epsilon ? [17:41:58] Lydia_WMDE: perhaps it would be good to have someone previewed the links in the send out each Friday... [17:42:03] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Nihonjoe&diff=prev&oldid=539701625 [17:42:05] :/ [17:42:29] I didn't think I was particularly rude, we just don't allow userpage data entries [17:42:46] Romaine: yeah - or i should do it when i am more awake -.- [17:42:55] :p [17:43:07] but then you are often asleep on Friday? [17:43:16] Romaine: shhhh :P [17:43:21] :p [17:46:05] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Add Special:ItemsWithoutSitelinks that list all items without any site link" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45336 [17:47:17] Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45336 [18:07:44] [18:23:11] Warning: preg_match() [function.preg-match]: Unknown modifier 'n' in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.21wmf10/extensions/Wikibase/repo/includes/api/ApiSearchEntities.php on line 141 [18:34:06] well, wikidata is certainly a more active place than it used to be... [19:01:40] PinkAmpersand, any particular reason for hiding the requests for auto/confirm/rb rather than just archive them? [19:02:03] Ajraddatz: hmm [19:02:12] idk, figure it's nice to have a brief record of it [19:02:23] maybe drop the archival time to 12h? [19:02:29] Not really criticizing, just wondering if there was some policy or vote that happened while I was gone. [19:02:35] oohh wait nvm misread your comment [19:02:54] oh, no, just wanted to make the page shorter [19:02:57] I personally see no need for any time. The record exists in the archive :p [19:03:16] lol the archive when we remember to update it [19:03:26] true [19:03:42] idk... i mean, it's useful to have it around a bit [19:04:01] for instance, if you autopatrol some user who turns out to be banned from a Wikipedia you've never even heard of [19:04:24] in cases like that, I'd personally check the archive ;) [19:04:28] it's good to keep it around briefly so other admins can notice [19:04:31] actually, no, I'd ask the admin who assigned the flag [19:04:39] considering that most of the requests don't go through that page [19:04:45] we hardly even need an archive of those [19:05:42] yeah... point is, idk, I think there's some use in keeping them up for a bit. also so people know how to format them, and so users from wikis with more intense standards can understand that we're pretty low-key about it [19:06:52] fair enough [19:07:08] well, sorry if i overstepped. this is after i almost got into an edit war with Reza on the RFBOT page [19:09:59] hehe [19:10:06] no, no overstepping occured here anyway :P [19:11:15] kk :) [19:19:33] A really hand countervandalism tool: Something to easily check if a removed link still exists on the project it was from. [19:19:46] handy* lol [19:21:16] Ajraddatz: ikr? one solution would be to go to the previous revision and use the preview gadget [19:21:22] but i keep forgetting to do that [19:21:52] fortunately i set wikidata as my default search engine, so i just open a new tab and type in :
[19:22:03] hehe [19:23:09] hmm [19:23:14] that would be an interesting tool [19:23:23] maybe this weekend. [19:25:52] <3 [19:27:02] Ajraddatz: you sure about Arussom? [19:27:49] yeah, I can't find any problems [19:27:51] can you? [19:28:36] oh, i would've just given him a few more hours. i only just explained labels and descriptions to him [19:28:43] no worries though. i'll keep an eye on him [19:29:04] I autopatrol people if I get sick of checking their edits which are already good [19:29:15] any more thought process than that is dangerous :P [19:29:41] haha :P well yeah, just that i had to undo him a few times a few hours back. but i think he gets it [19:32:30] anyone here speak russian or kazakh? [19:32:58] (nvm) [19:58:33] New review: John Erling Blad; "(6 comments)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45574 [20:05:19] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "(bug 43870) new Special:SetSiteLink" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45574 [20:56:53] duh: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Multichill/Charlemagne ;-) [20:57:05] woahhhhh [20:57:11] btw [20:57:16] i figured out how to do that rrd thing [20:57:29] and ill run it once wikidata is re-imported [20:58:33] Cool! Did you write a bit of documentation for the TS wiki? [20:59:16] duh: Let's see if I can get that output in graphviz format :-) [21:00:26] Not yet ill do that in a bit [21:00:31] But it all depends on how you count [21:00:44] Technically any non-redirect/non-userspace page is eligible for wikidata [21:01:24] But realistically its just going to be mainspace pages [21:09:50] Lydia_WMDE: ping [21:10:07] yurik: yo [21:10:11] hi [21:10:26] did you decide not to include interwiki bot heads up and the RFC reference? [21:11:19] yurik: yes interwiki bots because we don't actually want them to stop - they're still doing useful stuff [21:11:32] and the rfc is way over the top for the audience of that message [21:11:41] i added it to the weekly summary though [21:11:43] re rfc - probably right [21:11:49] but i am worried about bots [21:12:02] bots will cause major issues if they don't know about wikidata [21:12:35] by now most of them should have gotten a cluebat on enwp, no? [21:12:58] ?? they are all running pywiki interwiki bot (i would assume) [21:13:02] Lydia_WMDE: we've gotten all the bots dealt with on enwp to my knowledge [21:13:15] enwp - didn't we simply block them all? [21:13:16] yeah [21:13:22] no afaik [21:13:32] and even if [21:13:39] by now their authors should hsave figured out why no? [21:13:47] if not then there is a much larger issue [21:13:48] we spammed out notices to tell them to update [21:13:57] and blocked the 2-3 that continued [21:14:03] the only update is to BLOCK all changes to enwiki [21:14:16] there is no update to the iw bot code AFAIK [21:14:34] the problem is that links FA and links GA will not be updated, which is why we really want to get that on wikidata... [21:14:48] in other words - iw bot does not know how to handle wikidata at all [21:14:54] tl;dr yes [21:14:58] it simply won't touch sites in the block list [21:15:22] hmmm i understood the guys working on pywikipedia differently [21:15:33] if that is not solved then that is an issue indeed [21:15:41] that needs to be solved there [21:15:58] well, i doubt they can really solve it until we expose "repo" as part of langlinks [21:16:12] we do have plenty of enwiki editors complaining about how wikidata is so complicated and how we didn't give them any warning etc. [21:16:24] which is hogwash, but it's enwiki [21:16:50] at this point iw bots query the list of langlinks, and if they see a missing link, they would replace the old list with the new list [21:17:03] which means - they would re-append the entire list of langlinks to the end [21:17:20] let me double check iw bot [21:19:56] yurik: that is a enwiki only problem, because my bot still updates langlinks on all other wikibase client wikis. [21:20:23] Merlissimo: but that's exactly my point - when we deploy wikidata to all, your bot needs to shut down [21:20:36] you also have langlink to anchor and static redirects which must still be added by bots [21:20:45] yurik: why? [21:21:09] yurik: wikivoyage uses interwiki bots [21:21:10] sry, misread - you still add stuff to other wd-enabled sites like he, hu, it? [21:21:20] sure [21:21:36] is your bot pywiki-interwki.py? [21:21:37] also solving conflicts and so on [21:21:39] no [21:21:48] is it public? do others use it? [21:22:12] no only i am using it. it is written in java [21:22:39] my bot is active on all wikis expect enwiki [21:22:42] because if your bot is wikidata-aware, and it checks that the link on a site is actually stored in wikidata and doesn't need to be added, than that's fine [21:23:12] but the other bot operators - they are probably runnig iw from pywiki, which seems to have very rudimentary wd support [21:23:40] so my point stands - we should block all non-wd-aware bots [21:23:41] yes, they simply stopped editing those pages [21:24:06] those pages? you mean entire en/hu/it/he wikies? [21:24:30] rschen7754: wikivoyage is not part of wikidata deployment yet, is it? [21:24:36] i only mean ??wiki [21:24:43] yurik: only wikipedia sites [21:24:59] right, that's the only ones that Lydia_WMDE plans to post to [21:25:14] and that's where i suggest we tell people to stop their bots [21:25:19] i think the message was sent through edwardsbot already [21:25:26] bleh [21:25:33] to the village pumps [21:25:47] might need an update than [21:26:04] unless we want to deal with all non-wd aware bots [21:26:46] yurik: i look add pwb source: adding interwikis is denied [21:27:04] Merlissimo: ?? [21:27:18] denied if that wiki is in the list [21:27:20] right? [21:27:30] but ALL wikies will be in the list :) [21:27:42] *all wikipedias [21:27:53] right - making bots just waste time - it will collect all the data, and then fail :) [21:27:55] my bot also knows about wikis like minwiki few weeks ago that were not included in wikidata and adds them locally [21:28:27] Merlissimo: again - that's great that your bot supports all that, but the others dont :( [21:28:52] so unless you make everyone standardise on yours, we have a problem :) [21:29:58] i only wan t to say that is possible to write a bot that is aware of wikidata. it's just a question of developers. and as long as xqt is the only pwb developer maintaing interwiki.py i don't think it will be added [21:30:30] yeah [21:30:37] i spoke with xqt a few days ago and he's too busy [21:30:54] my bot i using toolserver databases. it does not make sense to run it on multiple accounts [21:31:32] yes i know. i hope i have time to meet him in two weeks. [21:31:43] oh whats in 2 weeks? [21:31:51] cebit [21:32:12] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CeBIT ? [21:32:36] sounds cool [21:46:33] Pink|MoreTV: can you modify {{LinkUser}} to have a link to Special:UserRights too? [21:46:34] 10[12] 10https://wikidata.org/wiki/Template:LinkUser [21:49:00] well I tried and failecd [21:49:02] failed* [21:50:12] duh: i've been meaning to put together a whole preload for requesting autopatroller, like with RFD [21:50:33] Pink|MoreTV: we've been archiving autopatrol requests already... [21:50:38] complete with a link to change the rights, preloaded with the reason the user gave [21:50:44] so we really should either keep them around, or delete them all entirely [21:51:27] rschen7754: hmm? i just wanted to take up less page space [21:51:44] PinkAmpersand: yeah, it's just my OCD kicking in :P [21:51:50] or are you saying we should archive them as soon as they're fulfilled? [21:52:00] well, we've been keeping a permanent archive [21:52:19] oh, you mean about how I deleted those ones? should i have moved them somewhere? [21:52:41] PinkAmpersand: yeah, to the current month's log [21:53:05] ok. i'll move the ones i deleted, and add a note to the {{hidden begin}}s. sound good? [21:53:05] 10[13] 10https://wikidata.org/wiki/Template:hidden_begin [21:55:40] rschen7754: ^ [21:55:55] sorry, too many channels :P [21:56:06] PinkAmpersand: yeah [21:58:02] rschen7754: if you don't mind, i'm gonna switch to one {{discussion top}} for the whole page, though, instead of one for each section. [21:58:03] 10[14] 10https://wikidata.org/wiki/Template:discussion_top [21:58:08] ok [21:58:55] http://toolserver.org/~multichill/temp/dottest/Charlesm8.jpg <- anyone good with graphviz? ;-0 [22:00:55] i've been meaning to do some archive cleanup anyways. found a bunch of missing requests when i moved all of the subpages [22:43:14] hey, duh, i'm working on a quick form for autopatrol requests. do you know, perchance, if the &wpReason= parameter works in Special:UserRights URLs? [23:22:42] woohoo my wikidata reconfirmation is during finals week [23:23:27] duh: Fyi, https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/50449 [23:25:39] so wikidata's being moved to s5? [23:27:12] PinkAmpersand, it doesn't (wpReason) [23:29:47] rschen7754: It already happened [23:30:04] Reedy: ok cool [23:30:55] hm, same as dewiki [23:31:30] rschen7754: toolserver got the new dump today. not sure if replication is up to speed yet [23:31:48] (just guessing that's why you care) [23:32:11] DanielK_WMDE__: yeah, i don't use toolserver, but i use the tools [23:34:53] jhs: oh. is there any parameter that does work? [23:35:46] PinkAmpersand, not that i know of. the source code for the deletion form has "wpReason" as the name of the , but there is no such thing in the special:Userrights form [23:36:02] but that doesn't necessarily mean that there is no parameter for it, of course [23:36:25] since that's a PHP thing and wouldn't show up in the parsed html source code [23:37:32] oh. hmm. well, i'll just make the template without it for now, and see if I can figure it out if my RfP passes