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[11:18:38] <Jeblad_WMDE>	 Jasper_Deng_away: at five in the morning it is not very likely I'm awake, .. ;)
[11:34:34] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aude; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52178
[11:48:33] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aude; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52051
[11:50:51] <aude>	 Tobi_WMDE: poke
[13:12:47] <rebepoi>	 hello all
[13:13:23] <Denny_WMDE>	 Lydia_WMDE: http://www.quora.com/Wikipedia/How-will-the-Wikidata-1-project-impact-Wikipedia
[13:13:42] <Lydia_WMDE>	 looking
[13:13:45] <Lydia_WMDE>	 hi rebepoi
[13:14:15] <rebepoi>	 any one knows tutorial/instructions how to use wikidata for example to implement pictures from artist to your site?
[13:15:06] <rebepoi>	 or implement any thing? just need some link to instructions
[13:15:08] * aude  can't see the link :/

[13:17:55] <rebepoi>	 is there any code samples or something?
[13:18:45] <Lydia_WMDE>	 rebepoi: what do you want to do?
[13:18:53] <Denny_WMDE>	 rebepoi: not that i know. you might try pywikipediabot. it has some parts using wikidata
[13:20:16] <rebepoi>	 Lydia_WMDE, I'm building site about music artists, and would like to get one picture for each if possible
[13:21:50] <Lydia_WMDE>	 rebepoi: hmm not sure but you could ask the author of http://toolserver.org/~magnus/ts2/reasonator/?q=Q1339 for example 
[13:23:52] <rebepoi>	 Lydia_WMDE, Interesting, I'll try that. So there is no info anywhere yet, how to link data from wikidata on your own site
[13:24:11] <Lydia_WMDE>	 no proper documentation, no
[13:24:16] <Lydia_WMDE>	 there is the api docs
[13:24:19] <Lydia_WMDE>	 one sec
[13:24:28] <Lydia_WMDE>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Wikibase/API
[13:26:10] <Tobi_WMDE>	 aude: ping
[13:26:56] <rebepoi>	 Lydia_WMDE, thanks
[13:27:05] <Lydia_WMDE>	 np
[13:32:49] <aude>	 Tobi_WMDE: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/52051/ and https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/48449/  are essential for deployment
[13:33:27] <aude>	 other stuff is nice to have but not essential and perhaps can wait for next deployment
[13:34:12] <Tobi_WMDE>	 aude: ok
[13:34:31] <aude>	 Tobi_WMDE: thanks :)
[13:35:16] <Tobi_WMDE>	 aude: would require some setup work to review the namespace exclusion stuff
[13:35:23] <Tobi_WMDE>	 right?
[13:35:34] <Jeblad_WMDE>	 Lydia_WMDE and rebepoi: The api doc is hopelessly outdated
[13:37:13] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Jeblad_WMDE: any chance we can get that updated? i need something to point people to
[13:37:17] <Denny_WMDE>	 rebepoi: yes, that API doc is outdated. the current version is the automatic documentation here: http://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php
[13:37:29] <aude>	 Tobi_WMDE: probably
[13:37:30] <rebepoi>	 Jeblad_WMDE, nice :)
[13:37:40] <Denny_WMDE>	 rebepoi: basically, you need to use the identifier for the artis
[13:37:42] <aude>	 there are tests for it, but what we do for deployment...
[13:37:44] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Jeblad_WMDE: Denny_WMDE: can we then kill the api page and replace it with a link there?
[13:37:51] <aude>	 remove 'namespace" setting
[13:37:58] <rebepoi>	 Denny_WMDE, Thankd, I'll check that out
[13:37:59] <Denny_WMDE>	 Lydia_WMDE: put a "historic" tag on it, and point to it
[13:38:01] <Denny_WMDE>	 not kill it
[13:38:09] <Lydia_WMDE>	 k
[13:38:12] <Jeblad_WMDE>	 The api page is linked to as the examples are there
[13:38:20] * aude  checks the tests

[13:38:33] <Jeblad_WMDE>	 It is links created by the automatic documentation
[13:38:44] <Denny_WMDE>	 rebepoi: get the identifier for the artist, use the wbgetentity module to get the info, and then find therein the statement connecting to the image
[13:39:09] <Jeblad_WMDE>	 It is outdated on everything related to claims, references, qualifiers and rank
[13:39:20] <aude>	 the first test case covers what we'll do in deployment for settings
[13:39:51] <Jeblad_WMDE>	 I guess I'm the only one that tries to update that doc
[13:40:06] <Tobi_WMDE>	 aude: I see the advantages for exclusion over inclusion settings for namespaces, but did we discuss the descision to already have it in wmf11?
[13:40:23] <aude>	 Denny_WMDE says yes
[13:40:32] * Jeblad_WMDE  needs a lot of choclate to fix the api doc

[13:40:34] <Tobi_WMDE>	 Denny_WMDE : never says yes.. :-P
[13:40:53] <aude>	 otherwise the settings for deployment tomorrow are extremely cumbersome or hacky
[13:41:03] <Tobi_WMDE>	 I see
[13:41:07] * aude  not want to do settings

[13:41:11] <Tobi_WMDE>	 hehe
[13:41:17] <aude>	 if you want to prepare them ... :)
[13:41:37] <aude>	 having setting to include namespaces was a bad idea and the other way is much better
[13:41:51] <Tobi_WMDE>	 i know i know
[13:42:02] <aude>	 and henning's patch is important too though a minor change
[13:42:08] <Denny_WMDE>	 i agree with aude here, but i avoid saying the y.. word for the benefit of Tobi_WMDE 
[13:42:14] <aude>	 heh
[13:42:17] <Tobi_WMDE>	 ok, i'm going to review, aude will you then take care of backporting it and document the backports in the google doc?
[13:42:24] <aude>	 ok, i can do
[13:42:49] <Tobi_WMDE>	 fine
[13:43:21] <aude>	 thanks
[13:59:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(bug 44873) Add setting to exclude namespaces" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48449
[14:02:48] <Tobi_WMDE>	 aude: how does the namespace setting currently look like?
[14:03:04] <Tobi_WMDE>	 and how would we exclude namespaces in the future?
[14:03:17] <Tobi_WMDE>	 can u give me a quick example?
[14:04:36] <aude>	 Tobi_WMDE: we have $wgWBClientSettings['namespaces'] = array( NS_MAIN );
[14:04:52] <aude>	 NS_MAIN being a constant and integer value
[14:04:59] <aude>	 integers fine also to put in the array
[14:05:04] <Tobi_WMDE>	 ok
[14:05:12] <aude>	 with my change, say we want to exclude user talk pages, then
[14:05:24] <Tobi_WMDE>	 but it was $wgWBSettings?
[14:05:33] <aude>	 $wgWBClientSettings['excludeNamespaces'] = array( NS_USER_TALK' );
[14:05:36] <Tobi_WMDE>	 not $wgWBClientSettings
[14:05:49] <aude>	 Tobi_WMDE: both are fine for now, but it's been / being changed 
[14:06:05] <Tobi_WMDE>	 ok, thx
[14:06:21] * aude  probably needs to update deployment settings to use the new variables, in case support for the old one disappears some time when i'm not watching :o

[14:06:40] <aude>	 there's also $wgWBRepoSettings and I think $wgWBSettings still for lib
[14:07:49] * aude  thinks having a setting called "namespaces" is ambiguous anyway and shall be deprecated and maybe removed sometime

[14:11:19] <rebepoi>	 how do I connect to wikidata?
[14:11:45] <Tobi_WMDE>	 aude: if the settings do not exist, if breaks
[14:11:50] <Lydia_WMDE>	 anyone here editing in hrebrew?
[14:11:53] <Tobi_WMDE>	 *it breaks
[14:12:05] <Tobi_WMDE>	 thats bad
[14:12:15] <aude>	 hmmm
[14:12:21] <Tobi_WMDE>	 aude: Catchable fatal error: Argument 2 passed to Wikibase\LangLinkHandler::__construct() must be of the type array, boolean given, called in C:\xampp\htdocs\wikidata-client\extensions\Wikibase\client\WikibaseClient.hooks.php on line 544 and defined in C:\xampp\htdocs\wikidata-client\extensions\Wikibase\client\includes\LangLinkHandler.php on line 61
[14:12:27] <aude>	 it uses the default
[14:12:29] <Lydia_WMDE>	 rebepoi: like you connect to wikipedia as well - you'll likely find examples for that
[14:12:41] <Tobi_WMDE>	 then we have no defaults
[14:12:50] <aude>	 we do.....
[14:12:51] <rebepoi>	 Lydia_WMDE, aah, ok
[14:12:54] * aude  checks

[14:12:55] <Tobi_WMDE>	 hm
[14:13:52] <Tobi_WMDE>	 but the default for "namespaces" is false which is not an array
[14:14:13] <Tobi_WMDE>	 should be an empty array, right?
[14:14:38] <aude>	 i suppose we could do that.... it's odd though
[14:14:46] * aude  like it to be 'all';

[14:15:34] <Tobi_WMDE>	 empty array is as odd as false
[14:15:37] * aude  changing it to be array

[14:15:44] <aude>	 it's at least like our new setting
[14:20:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "(Bug 41631) Removed Status objects as dieUsage throws exceptions" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52238
[14:23:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "(bug 44873) Add setting to exclude namespaces" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48449
[14:26:36] <whym>	 " Certain types of searches, such as those that include certain diacritical characters, may fail (including searches that arrive via Wikipedia's "Edit links" link)." -- is this still true?
[14:27:09] <whym>	 especially the "Edit links" part
[14:28:17] <Jeblad_WMDE>	 The searches fails in mysterious ways only God knows about
[14:28:31] * Jeblad_WMDE  goes sanctified

[14:28:54] <aude>	 whym: yes, non ascii characters fail in search.....
[14:29:04] * aude  not sure how soon it will be fixed but is high priority

[14:29:37] <aude>	 edit links part should be improved, though
[14:29:37] <Jeblad_WMDE>	 Actually its only some chars with diacritics..
[14:29:48] <aude>	 e.g. from hebrew wikipedia
[14:30:06] <aude>	 Jeblad_WMDE: like all of arabic :/
[14:30:10] <Jeblad_WMDE>	 Wonder if some locale is turned on and stuck on the server..
[14:30:14] <Jeblad_WMDE>	 but have no idea
[14:30:16] <whym>	 the "Edit links" corresponds to Special:ItemByTitle, right?
[14:30:47] <aude>	 whym: it does now... we are changing it either this deployment or next one to link directly to the Q### pages
[14:30:47] <AsimovBot>	 10[1] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/
[14:31:01] <aude>	 either way the special page should work better
[14:31:19] <Jeblad_WMDE>	 The bug isn't in the special page
[14:31:28] <Jeblad_WMDE>	 It is in the link generated on the client
[14:31:43] * aude  nodes

[14:31:45] <aude>	 nods
[14:32:12] <Jeblad_WMDE>	 That doesn't imply there is no bugs in the special page, it is crwling with bug
[14:32:14] <whym>	 It's interesting Japanese doesn't seem to be suffered by the problem
[14:32:22] <aude>	 hmmm
[14:32:26] <Jeblad_WMDE>	 Special:Antfarm
[14:32:26] <aude>	 whym: in search
[14:32:28] * aude  tries 

[14:32:58] <Jeblad_WMDE>	 but poke me if anythings needs review,..
[14:32:59] <aude>	 http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?search=%E3%83%93%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AB&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1
[14:33:01] <whym>	 aude: no, in Special:ItemByTitle
[14:33:09] * Jeblad_WMDE  goes back to cloning bugs

[14:33:13] <aude>	 no luck for me
[14:33:18] <aude>	 whym: ah, ok
[14:33:29] <aude>	 that works for me with arabic, japanese etc
[14:33:39] <whym>	 search is totally broken for me in Japanese
[14:33:44] <aude>	 whym: me too
[14:34:35] <aude>	 it's unfortunately like a black box and not a lot of people have the ability to work on search stuff to fix, so it's taking a while (too long) to get it fixed
[14:36:32] <whym>	 I can imagine it would be complicated, Lucene doesn't seem made for multi-language search
[14:36:45] <aude>	 seems to be
[14:37:20] <aude>	 and wikidata is not exactly the perfect use case.  lucene (and how we use it) is better for more text-based content like wikipedia
[14:37:37] <whym>	 but you would have to attach as many analyser modules as the number of languages?
[14:37:54] * aude  has no idea but sounds right

[14:38:27] <Tobi_WMDE>	 aude: patch seems fine to me
[14:38:32] <Jeblad_WMDE>	 Lucene is actually quite good on structured documents
[14:38:35] <aude>	 Tobi_WMDE: good :)
[14:38:44] <Tobi_WMDE>	 aude: anytging against merging?
[14:38:45] <Tobi_WMDE>	 :-)
[14:38:49] <aude>	 Tobi_WMDE: no
[14:38:54] <aude>	 go ahead
[14:38:59] * aude  can do the backports

[14:39:23] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48449
[14:39:52] <Tobi_WMDE>	 aude: done. poke me when backports are done, I'll rerun the tests then
[14:40:00] <aude>	 Tobi_WMDE: ok
[14:48:43] <Denny_WMDE>	 there is one more thing i need to see developed and backported before deploy tomorrow
[14:48:51] <aude>	 ?
[14:48:58] <Denny_WMDE>	 i hoped for jereon to show up, but maybe someone else can help with that
[14:49:04] <aude>	 the license thing/
[14:49:05] <aude>	 ?
[14:49:11] <Denny_WMDE>	 strings should be restricted in length, if they are not yet
[14:49:29] <aude>	 hmmm
[14:50:29] <Denny_WMDE>	 ahh, that one too
[14:50:33] <Denny_WMDE>	 the evil evil license thing
[14:51:10] <aude>	 i can look at the license one but think it would take jeroen much less time to handle string length
[14:51:41] <aude>	 so, we're enabling strings tomorrow?
[14:53:07] <Denny_WMDE>	 yes, that's the plan
[14:53:13] <Denny_WMDE>	 thanks, license would be super helpful
[14:53:32] <Denny_WMDE>	 otherwise i will do it, and you know what that means *evil*
[14:53:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aude; "this turns links that have spaces into something like:" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/51956
[14:53:46] <aude>	 Denny_WMDE: ok
[14:54:39] <Denny_WMDE>	 thx
[15:03:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "(Bug 41631) Removed Status objects as dieUsage throws exceptions" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52238
[15:10:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aude; "(2 comments)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/51956
[15:14:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "(bug 44873) Add setting to exclude namespaces" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.21-wmf11) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52239
[15:14:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "Fix for no-JS anonymous edit warning messages" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.21-wmf11) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52240
[15:14:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "(bug 44710) Don't display (none) in case we don't have langlinks" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.21-wmf11) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52241
[15:15:16] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aude; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.21-wmf11) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52239
[15:15:30] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aude; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.21-wmf11) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52240
[15:15:53] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aude; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.21-wmf11) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52241
[15:16:33] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Aude; "obsolete" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49482
[15:19:27] <aude>	 Tobi_WMDE: done with backporting for now
[15:19:51] <aude>	 denny needs a couple more things... limit string length and something for the license message
[15:20:48] <Tobi_WMDE>	 aude: yes, just noticed that.. :-(
[15:21:46] * aude  poking at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/51179 again and license text

[15:22:17] <Tobi_WMDE>	 aude: \o/
[15:22:39] <aude>	 for license text, worst case is to repeat the evil evil hack we did for wmf10
[15:23:09] <Tobi_WMDE>	 whats wrong with the licence text?
[15:23:35] <aude>	 Tobi_WMDE: we're using a wikimedia specific message key that comes from another wikimedia specific extension
[15:23:43] <aude>	 with copyright text
[15:23:47] <Denny_WMDE>	 well, that is not the evil hack
[15:23:47] <Tobi_WMDE>	 ah.. ok
[15:24:02] <Denny_WMDE>	 the evil hack is that we do it hardcoded and only in the deployment branch
[15:24:10] <aude>	 Denny_WMDE: right
[16:10:36] <jeremyb_>	 now that it's day (for some of you), I repeat
[16:10:43] <jeremyb_>	 05 03:38:34 < jeremyb_> hey people, say something: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41586#c23
[16:11:15] <aude>	 heh
[16:18:25] <addshore>	 wikidata is used in the article namespace as well as templates cats and wikipedia: right? :P
[16:18:33] <aude>	 addshore: yes
[16:18:36] <addshore>	 :)
[16:18:56] <aude>	 there's an issue with the edit link for "wikipedia:" links, though
[16:19:14] <aude>	 but they otherwise work fine with interwiki links
[16:45:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "(Bug 45223) URL-escape title before it is used in URL" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/51956
[16:49:27] <Jeblad_WMDE>	 aude seems like it works
[16:55:24] <aude>	 Jeblad_WMDE: shall look in a min
[16:56:21] <Jeblad_WMDE>	 I checked both a title with question mark and a category
[16:57:03] <Jeblad_WMDE>	 There are some weirdness on when the link is visible, but I thin a fix is in a patchset from hoo
[16:57:44] <aude>	 yes, we've backported that one
[17:08:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "(bug 45037) show edit link only if we have repo links" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/51179
[17:16:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "(bug 45037) show edit link only if we have repo links" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/51179
[17:16:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aude; "rebased" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/51179
[17:17:55] <yurik>	 aude: this is extremelly important. As Jeblad_WMDE (or was it Jeroen?) yesterday told me, you must not, under any circumstances, refer to them as langlinks. They are sitelinks!!!  Otherwise the world will end.
[17:22:35] <aude>	 yurik: :D
[17:52:54] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aude; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/51956
[17:53:01] <yurik>	 the log link doesn't work
[17:53:10] <aude>	 ?
[17:53:19] <yurik>	 channel topic
[17:53:40] <aude>	 oh, no idea.
[17:54:34] <aude>	 i'd ask petan in #wikimedia-labs
[18:08:12] <Jeblad_WMDE>	 yurik: its not a joke, the world will shurly end
[18:09:10] <yurik>	 don't call me shurly ("airplane" (c))
[18:09:20] <aude>	 :D
[18:12:52] <yurik>	  btw, aude, for some reason i thought you lived in NYC :)))
[18:13:01] <aude>	 heh
[18:13:13] <aude>	 but i always come to wiki conference nyc anyway
[18:22:41] <yurik>	 aude: but you are not coming to SMW, are you?
[18:22:48] <yurik>	 in two+ weeks
[18:23:27] <aude>	 yurik: only jeroen
[18:23:56] * aude  went to smwcon in DC a few years ago and it's pretty small and focused

[18:24:13] <aude>	 it's nice to attend but not worth travel again
[18:24:24] <yurik>	 in a way SMF has identical goals with wikidata
[18:24:38] <aude>	 somewhat....
[19:06:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "(bug 45037) show edit link only if we have repo links" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/51179
[19:10:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "(bug 45037) show edit link only if we have repo links" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/51179
[19:10:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aude; "rebased" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/51179
[21:16:10] <rschen7754>	 so tomorrow's the big day!
[21:20:36] <Stryn>	 yes :)
[22:54:37] * Jeblad_WMDE  yawn..