[08:17:07] so uh, what was the eventual consensus on using "is a"? [08:17:23] someone wants me to add "is a" --> "lake" to a bunch of lakes [08:28:08] * legoktm pokes rschen7754 ^ [08:28:19] legoktm: sorry no idea :( [11:26:41] Lydia_WMDE: will the last officehour log be released? [11:27:01] Sk1d: yes i have it here - just need to put in online - hopefully later today [13:17:27] Sk1d: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/Office_hours_2013-03-08 [13:19:56] Hi, is somewhere written how long should it take for interwiki links appearing in articles after you write them to Wikidata items? [13:20:33] around 5 minutes, but you can just purge the page [13:20:50] Utar: usually not more than 5 mins but there are some issues atm - as legoktm said purge the page [13:20:59] we're working on a fix [13:21:05] legoktm: yes, i know about purging [13:21:14] but somewhere it seems to takes several days [13:22:03] Lydia_WMDE: ok, thanks, I will inform our comunnity it should be in 5 mins but is currewntly bugged [13:22:17] Utar: thanks - give me a min to find the bug for you [13:22:34] ok [13:22:52] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45892 [13:23:30] Lydia_WMDE: thanks [13:23:36] no problem [13:30:42] ok, posted, thanks once more, see you [13:34:17] Lydia_WMDE: thx [14:07:22] it seems i cant use wbeditentity to add claims :/ [14:21:22] Hi, everyone, the items Q4738955 and Q451591 should be merged into one, how would you do that? [14:22:32] !admin [14:23:32] copying one by one the items from the frist one to the second one [14:25:06] that doesnt work, it says: "An error occurred while trying to perform save and because of this, your changes could not be completed." [14:25:53] and "Edit not allowed: Site link [[dewiki:Am kürzeren Ende der Sonnenallee]] already used by item [[Q451591]]." [14:26:31] Glossologist: remove it from the other one first :) [14:26:45] ^^ as Lydia_WMDE says [14:27:12] done, thanks for your help :) [14:27:17] :) [14:28:49] we forgot to tell him he should report the empty one [14:29:00] but I deleted it already :) [14:59:36] One more question: If I move an article on Wikipedia, do I have to change the interwiki link on Wikidata manually or will a bot do that job? [15:01:10] Glossologist: i think a bot is running but it'll take a bit and it might not be running everywhere [15:01:19] so if you can it is probably best to fix it [15:02:04] thank you [15:10:13] Hi. :) [16:11:01] hello [16:12:27] I've just created a new article in Catalan this morning, but wikidata does not find it [16:12:51] how long does wikidata retrieve new article? [16:13:12] bof sorry for my English [16:13:17] AlbertJB: what's the article? is it already linked on wikidata? [16:13:24] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3018953 [16:13:34] I try to add Catalan one [16:13:41] i'll have a look [16:13:52] http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Silver_Linings_Playbook [16:14:09] thank you [16:15:04] AlbertJB: Added the link for you... just because the suggestor doesn't show it doesn't mean you can't add it [16:15:23] * Lydia_WMDE pokes hoo for creating an edit conflict [16:15:23] :P [16:15:32] * hoo hides [16:16:20] AlbertJB: all good now? :) it might take a bit for the links to show up on the wikipedia if it isn't in the source there - purging the page will make it show up immediately [16:17:03] I'll have a look [16:17:23] Lydia_WMDE: Purging which page? The autosuggest is driven by the client wikipedias opensearch [16:17:39] hoo: the article page [16:17:48] to correct the links there [16:18:12] The specified article could not be found on the corresponding site. [16:18:22] sorry I'm new on this [16:18:25] on wikidata [16:18:40] AlbertJB: hoo already added it on the wikidata page [16:18:50] Lydia_WMDE: Ah my bad... I meant you suggested that as a solution for pages not showing up on wikidata.org [16:18:51] if you reload it you should see it [16:19:00] The Silver Lining Playbook (novel) is seen by wikidata as the film! [16:19:32] AlbertJB: where do you see that? [16:19:33] AlbertJB: It says "2008 book by Matthew Quick" [16:19:37] thanks now I see [16:19:43] :) [16:20:01] but I swear I've had to reload 3times [16:20:02] xD [16:20:36] prob you'll see me here sometimes [16:20:41] thanks a lot [16:20:45] bye [16:21:07] bye, AlbertJB ... you're welcome ;) [20:04:25] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/72.26.24.123 [20:04:45] !admin ^? [20:04:53] looking [20:04:53] on duty [20:05:09] blocked [20:05:26] Thanks. [20:05:38] np [20:05:39] Savh: in the future, try using a {{uw-lr1}} at first to see if you can get them to slow down [20:05:39] 10[1] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:uw%2Dlr1 [20:05:55] Or {{uw-lr2}}, -3, -4 [20:05:55] 10[2] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:uw%2Dlr2 [20:05:59] yeah, i mainly blocked without warning because of the high speed [20:06:07] From experience, I know that fast turning vandals aren't stopped. [20:06:15] By templates. [20:06:44] Savh: well, we've found that a lot of link-removal "vandals" aren't actually that disruptive if you explain to them that what they're doing is destructive [20:06:54] i mean, i won't lose any sleep over rschen's block. [20:07:23] PinkAmpersand, connecting them stopping with the warning is a fallacy. [20:07:55] Most times, they stop anyway, regardless of being warned or not. [20:08:06] furthermore, even the craziest sprees of link removals can turn out to have a grain of validity [20:08:08] And, there is no concrete way of showing that they actually see and understand a warning. [20:08:43] e.g. the other day it turned out one user was trying to remove all but one link from an item in order to split it... when really they should've just been removing the one incorrect link. [20:08:56] as i said, no issues with the block [20:09:27] but just so you don't have to come request admin attention everytime you find a link removal spree, Savh, I think you'll find the templates are fairly effective [20:09:50] Don't worry, I won't find them any more. [20:10:24] huh? [20:10:42] * tommorris wonders whether there'd be any point in him applying to be a Wikidata admin. [20:11:02] also https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P107#Having_separate_properties_for_controlled_ontologies_is_silly ;) [20:11:20] rschen7754: mind throwing a {{block}} their way? just on the off chance this turns out to be very misplaced good faith [20:11:21] 10[3] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:block [20:11:54] done [20:11:59] thanks [20:13:00] tommorris: personally i say people should wait for 500-1000 edits before running for adminship. i mean, enwiki admins can get it pretty easily, but it's also important not to give an image that it's easier for EnWikipedians than anyone else [20:13:18] that and comment on some discussions [20:13:51] and haha we get our sexual orientation property, and the ontology folks get theirs ;) [20:14:19] hi [20:14:48] PinkAmpersand: I'm an ontology person. Only I've spent a few years understanding it rather than jumping headfirst into it. ;) [20:14:57] admins, merge history of [[Wikidata:Портал спільноти]] and [[Wikidata:Community_portal/uk]] [20:14:57] 10[4] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:%D0%9F%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BB_%D1%81%D0%BF%D1%96%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B813 => [20:15:04] 10[5] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Community_portal/uk [20:15:12] * tommorris has 246 edits on Wikidata. ;) [20:15:27] rschen7754: tsk tsk. no nbsp before sig? http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:72.26.24.123&diff=10822653&oldid=10821984 actually, maybe I should throw a {{clear}} at the end of {{Block}} ? [20:15:27] 10[6] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:clear13 => [20:15:29] 10[7] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:Block [20:15:42] PinkAmpersand: that's what my script does [20:16:03] hmm? [20:16:16] i stole snowolf's script from enwikivoyage [20:16:21] for templating [20:16:39] ahh. so then I should do the clear thing? [20:17:05] tommorris: yeah the ontology properties are a mess... idk what it is, but for some reason people get very grumpy when it comes to the property namespace [20:17:11] i think it's a problem with the way my script is set up [20:17:15] oh ok [20:17:17] too lazy to fix it lol [20:17:21] haha [20:24:57] !help [20:25:01] @halp [20:25:04] hi Base-w [20:25:05] Type @commands for list of commands. This bot is running http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WM-Bot version wikimedia bot v. 1.10.6.8 source code licensed under GPL and located at https://github.com/benapetr/wikimedia-bot [20:25:10] Romaine: hi [20:25:15] what kind of help you need? [20:25:26] see my request at 14th minute [20:26:15] also others such localized translations must be merged with translates of translateable page too [20:26:49] 4:14 PM admins, merge history of [[Wikidata:Портал спільноти]] and [[Wikidata:Community_portal/uk]] [20:26:49] 10[8] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:%D0%9F%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BB_%D1%81%D0%BF%D1%96%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B813 => [20:26:51] 10[9] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Community_portal/uk [20:26:58] mmm, in some way the system prevents me from doing it [20:27:03] due the special extension [20:27:07] ah [20:27:43] I thought the extension was worse designed, this makes it even worse [20:27:57] extention is ok [20:28:04] it's use it wrong [20:28:08] it is not enough user friendly [20:28:17] it is friendly [20:28:48] in the experience of many users it isn't [20:30:01] hm [20:30:25] but that's not the subject here [20:32:06] yes. ah in i18n chanel sayed that it is impossible to merge [20:32:17] so I will just redirect localized [20:32:42] I think it would be nice if smb will change interfae link [20:32:46] *interface [20:34:15] the biggest issue is that users can't use the edit tab if the extension is used [20:37:07] because thay have to edit per unitely [20:37:13] throw extention [20:38:01] and there thay can also see translations to languages that thay can choose [20:38:11] and many others usefull things [20:40:52] could smb change sidebar links to ones via Special:MyLanguage ? [21:13:47] Is there a way to add a full statement with 1 click? as in, providing the statement : Entity type person, without having to type it every time? [21:26:20] Myr: it would be possibel to make a gadget for this, i suppose [21:50:01] perhaps main page should be translated via an extention too [21:50:26] it will allow to keep it up-to-date [21:56:03] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:ItemsWithoutSitelinks what should be done with it? [21:57:50] 1078 items! [21:59:01] Base-w: Most can probably be deleted... but I guess they all need a per hand review [21:59:17] hoo: will it be done by smb? [21:59:36] i think it is easier to delete them via bot… [21:59:53] I'm not sure they all qualify for deletion [22:00:01] but some could be there after vandalism… [22:00:15] hoo: I'm sure that they don't all qualify for deletion [22:00:20] That's something that should probably be discussed on wiki (or already has and I didn't notice) [22:01:17] Several family tree members are in there. [22:01:49] You should intersect that with the orphans and than I think most if not all can be deleted [22:09:00] if a page got renamed in a Wikipedia, how will this automatically be changed on Wikidata? [22:10:50] Romaine: Either bots can do it (I think there already are some) or you can do it by hand [22:11:31] Lydia_WMDE: ^ [22:11:42] meep [22:11:45] yes [22:11:47] it is not a question how I can do it [22:12:01] it is more that all those renamings should be followed by bots [22:12:20] Romaine: yeah bots are starting but might be slow and not catch everything yet [22:12:32] will improve i assume [22:12:48] I hope that is fixed soon, otherwise the problem caused by this gets bigger and bigger [22:14:53] Doing it in JS would be rather simple with the current infrastructure... but doing it server side would give us some headaches [22:15:21] js has some minuses [22:15:42] as not working in some mobile browsers [22:15:52] or with terrible internet connection [22:16:00] Base-w: Sure, but we don't have server side cross site editing on WMF [22:16:33] so better to use bots [22:16:55] Base-w: Either bots or bots + JS [22:17:29] if bots as fast as cvn bots it could be only bots [23:40:18] legoktm: Around? [23:40:25] hi [23:40:28] Hi :) [23:40:34] I'm seeing your log [23:40:41] [[es:Usuario:Legobot/Wikidata/General]] [23:40:41] 10[1] 10https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuario:Legobot/Wikidata/General [23:41:01] oh its pretty long :/ [23:41:08] The interwiki and wikidata links at the end of the lines don't work [23:41:38] yeah, i never got around to fixing that [23:41:39] Or more precisely, they point to local pages [23:41:51] it shouldnt be that hard to fix with a regex... [23:42:00] let me see... [23:42:32] Yes [23:43:12] I was talking a few minutes ago with Kizar about how to solve those cases [23:43:48] heh, i tried using the "find replace" option in the toolbar and my browser stopped responding. [23:43:59] :) [23:44:32] He doubts about automatization of that but I want to try first [23:45:04] ... I can try to find & replace if you want [23:45:29] well its still going [23:45:39] should be done in a few minutes [23:45:39] Ok then [23:46:53] At least, I think if the problem is a link present in two articles, the user could be offered a or b options and press key [23:47:18] oh, yeah, something like that would be nice but i dont have time for that [23:47:25] :) [23:47:57] Ok, I'll try to work on that [23:48:19] Although I'll need a fast update to Wikidata API details [23:48:51] (I mean update from the regular projects API) [23:49:52] ahhh [23:49:55] edit conflict :x [23:50:10] Not me! [23:50:31] Probably your bot... [23:51:28] yeah….sigh [23:51:31] ill fix it a bit later [23:51:34] gotta do homework [23:52:23] Ok [23:52:39] And I should go bed soon [23:52:56] I'll review from tomorrow :) [23:53:08] ok thanks [23:53:40] Np :) and thank you for the big work of your bot [23:54:29] legoktm: i assume the properties bot crashed? [23:54:40] lemme check the log... [23:55:09] hm, doesnt show a traceback [23:55:13] ill look in a bit