[00:11:34] Lydia_WMDE: can I suggest that Special:ItemByTitle needs additional text in Meidawiki:itembytitle-summary [00:11:47] like was done in MediaWiki:Search-summary [00:11:59] *Mediawiki:itembytitle-summary [00:12:11] sDrewth: can you please file a bug for it? it is past 1am here and i am close to falling asleep [00:12:14] this will get lost [00:12:32] fair call [00:12:35] :) [00:12:37] thx [00:12:41] bugzilla or on wiki? [00:12:49] onwiki should be enough [00:13:04] preferably bugzilla if you have an account but wiki works too [00:13:06] it just needs an admin to do the text [00:13:10] oh [00:13:11] ok [00:13:14] then wiki [00:13:15] the capacity is already there [00:13:19] cool [00:13:25] then project chat or admin board should do [00:13:26] :) [00:13:31] sweet [00:14:21] or I could just thwack other admins here if I could remember who they are [00:21:41] * Lydia_WMDE points sDrewth to the channel topic but recommends not to use the trick there for this case [00:26:10] oh but bashing is much more fun [00:26:34] it is on project chat, someone can grab it [00:27:00] and the text in MediaWiki:Search-summary was done under my tutelage here [00:27:21] when I was whining about being lost [00:44:06] :D [00:59:56] I reckon that takes me about 100 edits per new article [01:00:16] by the time that you disambiguate each entry to find the right one to add [01:11:05] btw: I was told more than once that ItemByTitle is not a search [01:11:59] the whole search experience in wikidata is quite frustrating [01:50:42] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "(Bug ) Fix removed underscores in site id" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/55451 [02:59:21] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "(Bug ) Fix removed underscores in site id" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/55451 [03:32:48] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52796 [03:32:59] any input appreciated: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P31#Proposal:_establish_rdf:type_as_the_basis_for_this_property [04:00:11] legoktm: Are you there [04:00:18] ? [04:00:23] he's probably not [04:00:46] Jasper_Deng: I'm mad right now and I must talk to somebody about WD [04:00:56] see this: [04:00:58] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Bot/ElphiBot [04:01:22] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:AN#Bot [04:01:24] Amir1: please speak to the bot operator [04:01:39] if it's misbehaving we can block, but try and speak to the operator [04:02:05] I know the bot operator [04:02:24] He was banned from persian WP because of SP [04:02:59] He, and thousands of other bot operators doesn't know even a little programming [04:03:16] yes... but I'm reluctant to take any administrative action against the bot if you haven't first tried to discuss with its operator first [04:03:39] Amir1: what is SP? [04:03:45] I think he means socking [04:03:55] they try, they screw, they ask someone to ease the bug and this happen again [04:04:01] and again [04:04:16] I don't say block the bot [04:04:24] I want to see [04:05:05] he brought thousands of Arabic active users to vote [04:05:12] for God's sake [04:06:02] rschen7754: yes I mean WP:sock puppetry [04:06:07] ok [04:06:27] good grief why did we ever approve a bot operator who socked!? [04:06:38] we really gotta get better at crosswiki checking [04:06:49] anyone around ? [04:07:00] yes? [04:07:16] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:ElphiBot#Partial_links [04:07:23] another masterpiece [04:07:51] :/ It sounds like we may have to unapprove the bot.... [04:08:03] I have just finished moving around 50 articles to different article names in the Hebrew Wikipedia. Is there any easy way to get these new names updated in Wikidata other than manualy going over 50 items in Wikidata and changing them individually ? [04:08:24] no, except perhaps a user script I'm not aware of [04:08:37] :( [04:08:53] whom would know for certain ? [04:09:36] I'll try to ask in #wikipedia-en as well [04:10:01] Amir1: if you can give evidence that the user posted on arwiki about the bot, it'll likely be indicative of canvassing [04:10:16] Jasper_Deng: Let me check [04:10:56] WikiJunkie: There is an easy way AFAIK :P [04:11:08] great [04:11:12] what is it ? [04:11:17] WikiJunkie: My bot :D [04:11:25] great [04:11:51] so do you need me to tell you exactly what these articles are? [04:11:55] We could either wait for it to run via it's cron job or I could kick start it for that wiki [04:12:03] No, it checks the logs :) [04:12:09] great [04:12:13] phew [04:12:22] saved me another 20-30 mins [04:12:26] Lol [04:12:27] :) [04:13:12] Jasper_Deng: Want me to leave the bot operator a not asking him to stop all his bot tasks before reapproval to continue? [04:13:22] * Hazard-SJ goes to set up bot in the mean time [04:13:38] Hazard-SJ – how much longer would it take to finish the job? [04:13:43] Hazard-SJ: yeah.... and delete those items [04:15:06] Jasper_Deng: I don't know arabic I just can read [04:15:23] but I understand a bit [04:16:07] !admin please check the SUL of all permissions requests before granting permissions [04:16:43] Amir1 - are you Amir Aharoni ? [04:17:01] WikiJunkie: No we are two different people with the same first name [04:17:04] like John [04:17:14] Oh ok [04:17:21] just wondering [04:18:04] WikiJunkie: The bot (Hazard-Bot) is running now, you can take a look at the edits now :P [04:18:28] thanks [04:18:34] :) [04:18:48] And I couls pastebin the output for you if you want to go through and solve the conflicts if they indeed are conflicts :) [04:18:56] * could [04:19:39] Jasper_Deng: {{doing}} [04:19:40] 10[3] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:doing [04:27:19] Jasper_Deng: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Elph#ElphiBot [04:27:38] Amir1: ^ [04:28:55] Hazard-SJ: Thanks [04:29:11] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Elph#ElphiBot [04:29:15] sorry [04:29:20] http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A7:%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%86/%D8%AA%D9%82%D9%86%D9%8A%D8%A9#ElphiBot [04:29:40] He tried to invite others to vote [04:30:12] problem is he didn't exactly mentioned come and vote but he did it very smoothly [04:30:57] I don't see an explicit call to vote [04:31:27] Doing the deletions now [04:31:32] Jasper_Deng: the exact problem is this [04:31:38] WikiJunkie: Finished, by the way :) [04:31:44] Hazard-SJ: Thnaks [04:31:56] Hazard-SJ: thanks [04:32:51] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:DE#Attempts_to_evade_detection [06:02:03] * legoktm is here [06:02:08] after like 3 pings [06:09:58] [08:10:57 AM] Legobot is not creating summaries. <-- You can't have a summary when working with properties yet [06:23:47] Hi all, I'm trying to import all the interwiki links from this page, but the import gadget isn't working for me ... could somebody help me or do the import? http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q8083174 [06:24:02] hey [06:24:12] * legoktm looks [06:25:01] hmm [06:25:10] looks like many of the links are conflicting with https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6671777 [06:26:11] uh-oh ... yeah, I fixed three on that page, but there are more? [06:26:37] its possible, i dont have time to look at right this minute [06:26:47] at it* [06:26:58] k, thanks ... should I post to that conflicts page then? [06:28:10] yeah probably [06:28:32] alright, I'll do that [06:47:07] New patchset: Aude; "(Bug 46466) Fix removed underscores in site id" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/55451 [06:47:42] New review: Aude; "tested it and this works much better, fixing the bug" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/55451 [06:47:42] Change merged: Aude; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/55451 [07:27:54] Hi! I'm sure I saw a discussion about how to handle interwiki links of translated disambigs but I can't find it anymore. Am I right that translated disambigs should not be linked? [07:28:32] hmmm [07:28:36] there was a discussion [07:28:40] well, [07:28:44] you must have been in a hurry. [07:40:46] legoktm: sorry, unstable internet connection, just saw your respond in the log [07:40:57] ah [07:41:10] i think there was a discussion somewhere on project chat [07:41:15] probably archived by now [07:41:32] do you remember the result? ;) [07:41:39] unfortunately i dont :/ [07:45:32] legoktm: thanks for mentioning the project chat, I found the discussion [07:45:45] link please? i should probably read it as well :P [07:47:34] [[Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2013/03#Survey_for_generating_rules_regarding_items_with_disambiguation_pages]] [07:47:34] 10[4] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2013/03%23Survey_for_generating_rules_regarding_items_with_disambiguation_pages [07:47:43] thanks! [08:08:44] the only data types for properties that are enabled are commons media item, wikibase item, and string right? [08:20:23] legoktm: correct [08:20:37] awesome [08:20:39] ty :) [08:20:42] :) [08:20:47] and with that i vanish for a bit [08:20:49] laters! [08:21:06] o/ [12:10:04] legoktm: Around? [12:10:43] multichill: I don't think so [12:11:01] Hi Amir! [12:11:18] Hi [12:11:50] So I was thinking. If we have duplicate items. Joining them is a PITA. Wouldn't it be nice to just have a cleanup bot do that? [12:12:21] hmm [12:12:51] Say you have two objects with non-overlapping sitelinks sets. User adds an old-fashioned interwiki link linking the two sets. A bot picks this up, does some checking and merges the objects [12:12:56] multichill: you can write a simple code based on current version of PWB but the bot will do lots of edits [12:12:56] Shouldn't be too hard to write [12:13:22] it's not hard [12:13:31] I can do it in like ten min. [12:13:52] Would be very useful. Merging is impossible to explain right now [12:14:58] Hi Daniel [12:26:33] Amir1: Damn, it's hard to find dupes ;-) [12:26:47] multichill: I'll write code (I'm gonna start) [12:27:20] but I'm a little bit busy right now [12:27:38] I don't think finding dupes is hard [12:28:05] fa.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D8%A7%D9%84%DA%AF%D9%88:Chembox_BandGap&diff=prev&oldid=9884615 [12:28:06] Found one at https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekhard_II_van_Mei%C3%9Fen [12:31:39] what is the preferred term for a Qnnnn record? [12:31:50] what piece of jargon is being applied? [12:32:54] multichill: what algorithm do you suggest for finding duplicats? [12:37:06] Not sure yet, playing around with queries now [12:37:22] multichill: I've an idea [12:37:42] I'll write a code that takes item by pairs [12:37:47] and merge them [12:38:14] you work on finding dupes and I'll send you the code and you run it [12:38:26] how that sounds? [12:42:19] Sounds good [12:42:38] You should probably just add it to Pywikipedia [12:42:46] merge(Q1, Q2) [12:44:02] ping, how do we a Qnnnnnn? an article? a record? a ... ? [12:44:50] define ^ [12:46:34] multichill: It's a good idea but i can't because it's two data pages actually so i have to write something like Q1.merge(Q2) [12:52:33] Hmm, still 9511803 left on the nlwp [12:52:52] 634306 to the enwp [12:56:35] do you want me to import from nl? [12:56:50] i've imported tons of item from other wikis [12:57:15] fa,tr,ru,zh,ckb,he,.... [13:00:48] Once langlinks get moved to wikidata, they should be removed from the langlinks table, right? [13:02:07] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Base/MediaWiki:Randompage/uk move it to ns8 please [13:03:33] Amir1: Take for example https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theudowald . Do you know if it's correct that I still see the 27 links in the langlinks table? [13:03:44] !sysops [13:04:10] multichill: yes they must remove [13:04:16] bots usually do [13:04:33] That happened in https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Theudowald&diff=35570534&oldid=34841599 [13:05:00] * multichill pokes DanielK_WMDE [13:05:20] DanielK_WMDE: How does wikibase affect the langlinks table? Is it still used? [13:05:48] multichill: because the article is linked in WD [13:05:50] I think [13:06:09] !admin [13:06:38] I think I found it [13:06:55] it's me or wikidata is very slow ? [13:07:17] Base-w : what is ns8? [13:07:25] which namespace is that [13:07:30] MediaWiki [13:07:38] Romaine: ^ [13:07:44] Amir1: Googling turned up a new field in the langlinks table called "ll_local bool". Not sure if it actually exists and if someone modified the view at the toolserver [13:08:24] hmm [13:08:28] it should be as MediaWiki:Randompage/uk [13:08:29] I didn't know that [13:08:34] strange that it can't be on translatewiki [13:09:13] Romaine: it uses message random page what is common for all wikis [13:09:45] multichill: I wrote the main part of the code [13:09:46] I added the two words to the page [13:10:07] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Randompage/uk [13:10:14] ok thanks [13:11:43] only merging of claims left [13:11:54] It's a little hard :( [13:14:47] Romaine: could you also create http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Randompage/ru with "Случайный элемент" (without quotes sure) [13:15:26] I can't copy these characters from this client [13:16:08] Romaine: ok I'll create a page as I've done for uk [13:16:23] ok [13:16:40] Romaine: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Base/MediaWiki:Randompage/ru [13:17:32] [ done ] [13:17:37] if you try to edit at wikidata.org, you get "An error occurred while trying to perform save and because of this, your changes could not be completed" [13:18:02] there should be a sitenotice warning about this IMO [13:18:09] Romaine: thankx [13:18:29] you're welcome [13:37:40] hi aude, maybe you know this: How does wikidata affect the langlinks table? [13:41:35] New review: Siebrand; "(2 comments)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52796 [13:41:39] multichill: your code is done [13:49:40] multichill: we currently put links there, so no different from before [13:49:59] No extra column to see if the link is local or wikibase? [13:50:02] we'll be changing that though and have a way to distinguish between those that are local [13:50:05] and not [13:50:20] not yet, unfortunately [13:50:32] So the only way the link is local is by parsing the page? Hmm, that sucks [13:50:41] * aude digs up our bug [13:50:50] yeah :( [13:52:26] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45534 [13:52:44] that details how we will do it [13:59:14] Ok. Thanks, I'll just have to stick to some awful queries..... [14:01:13] Amir1: Judging from https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekhard_II_van_Mei%C3%9Fen , someone is already working on merging.... [14:01:27] I didi [14:01:29] I did [14:01:34] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dexbot [14:02:13] this is testing of bot [14:02:56] KLBot2 is someone else, right? [14:03:33] yes [14:03:47] give me antoher example [14:03:51] another [14:04:14] KLBot2 didn't do anything:http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q65011&action=history [14:04:15] multichill: we'll try to get the changes implemented asap, although i don't know exactly when yet [14:04:29] it's an important one [14:04:31] http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q2327254&action=history [14:04:38] https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ekhard_II_van_Mei%C3%9Fen&action=history [14:06:06] I didn't the code for WP part [14:06:09] just WD part [14:06:18] others bot will do that [14:06:31] other bots [14:08:02] If you want [14:08:45] Together we're strong ;-) [14:09:18] Amir1: Another one to test with is https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willem_IV_van_Mei%C3%9Fen [14:10:00] I'll write but i think it's not necessary [14:10:00] multichill: have you received the code? [14:10:00] hehe [14:10:19] ok [14:10:21] let me test [14:10:44] Not yet [14:11:14] me internet is making me mad [14:11:33] my internet speed I mean [14:11:35] I'm tipsy i think [14:13:38] http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q3158709&action=history [14:15:36] http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q543466&action=history [14:15:41] multichill: is it ok? [14:16:19] Are you moving the claims too? [14:16:38] yes [14:16:41] claims, [14:16:44] sources [14:16:47] descriptions [14:16:52] everything [14:16:55] nice [14:17:08] You should probably remove the claim after you copied it [14:17:12] the sources was the hard part [14:17:25] I thought you'll delete it after that [14:17:29] so doesn't matter [14:18:16] I sent again [14:19:04] That what the item becomes completely empty and it's obvious it can be deleted [14:20:53] but sometimes this means tens of more (and obviously unnecessary) edits [14:21:43] if you're sysop you can just add second.delete("reason") [14:23:38] right [14:23:55] Other items might still be refering it or you also changing that? [14:24:42] I forgot that [14:26:38] I add it [14:28:18] anyone know why only locally translated MediaWIki messages works: [[Wikidata:Project_chat#MediaWiki:Special-newitem.2Fzh]]? [14:28:18] 10[5] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat%23MediaWiki:Special%2Dnewitem%2E2Fzh [14:43:46] Stryn: Asked the i18n guru's for help [14:44:37] okay thanks, but now seems that most of those messages are working now [14:45:28] multichill: done [14:45:43] give me a good example that i can test [14:58:53] aude: here? [15:30:13] Amir1: back [16:52:09] New patchset: Siebrand; "Fix grammar (comma before but)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/55482 [16:56:32] what the hell [16:56:54] DanielK_WMDE: there? [16:59:30] wth [17:00:24] hoo: i'm here, but i'm on family duty... [17:00:27] what's up? [17:01:02] For some reason the <0> hotfix seems to no longer(?) be live [17:01:31] hoo: is that fix on the wmf11 branch? [17:01:38] or on wmf12? oir on none of these? [17:02:02] DanielK_WMDE: In ours yes, but the HEAD position of core wmf11 is older [17:02:21] But I'm pretty sure that used to be live at some point [17:02:34] Reedy even extra ran scap for that [17:02:49] hoo: my guess is that it was live for wmf11, but never made it into master, so when we deployed wmf12, it went away. [17:02:57] can you check whether it's on master? [17:03:21] or maybe it was lost in the wmf12-revert-to-wmf11 brouhaha [17:03:32] It's in master, in our wmf11 branch, but the core's wmf11 branch doesn't have our HEAD position [17:03:43] Most likely that... [17:03:56] but it certainly used to work [17:04:00] well no, core is a separfate repo, it can't have the same head position [17:04:15] DanielK_WMDE: I mean the submodle [17:04:23] ah [17:04:25] hm... [17:04:28] $ git submodule status ./extensions/Wikibase/ [17:04:28] -8b1d018c8d29100beb1318d51e373fc0e0dc1c47 extensions/Wikibase [17:04:32] so perhaps the submodule pointer is wrong [17:04:57] Yeah... maybe Reedy updated it out of gerrit and it got lost somehow [17:05:02] hoo: check what the wmf12 branch of core points to [17:05:09] possibly [17:05:12] try to ask him [17:05:21] -4edd62fa7a92c892e77bf6b9b7b6431cdf1edbe6 extensions/Wikibase [17:05:24] that's wmf12 [17:06:19] that's HEAD. [17:06:35] so, what's the hash of your fix on the wmf12 branch? [17:06:46] let me check [17:07:23] 82770e620a77ccfef38d75f51c8df63764412e75 [17:07:26] i see it on the branch [17:07:41] Yep [17:07:57] so it should be live [17:08:03] *shrug* [17:08:24] DanielK_WMDE: The wikipedia's are atm wmf11 still :/ [17:08:33] Just closed a bug from a dewiki user [17:08:39] either what is love now isn't exactly core's wmf12 branch, or the batch is broken / got overwritten by a later commit [17:11:05] err. *live [17:11:07] anyway [17:11:12] the patch is also om wmf11 [17:11:17] no idea why it isn't working [17:11:48] i suppose you'll need someone who can look what the submodule in deployment actually points to [17:12:00] anyway, gtg [17:12:09] Because dewiki is at 1.21wmf11 (062fdc1) and that version is at 8b1d018c8d29100beb1318d51e373fc0e0dc1c47 which is before the hotfix [17:12:22] ok, bye... going to catch Reedy ASAP [18:10:10] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/55482 [18:45:05] goooood evening [18:51:46] multichill: hi [18:59:29] is there any plan for importing coordinates for wikidata entries? [19:00:09] it's quite annoying that the article on each language has to have the coordinates written [19:06:38] I believe so [19:07:23] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Data_model#Geographic_locations [19:53:23] legoktm: Around? Have you had any problem on es.wiki? [19:53:45] (As your bot has stopped the interwiki moving) [20:39:36] New patchset: Wizardist; "be-tarask translation for namespaces" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/55492 [22:05:44] Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/55288 [22:35:58] Change abandoned: John Erling Blad; "Will not be merged, so thrown away." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/50770 [22:38:19] Change abandoned: John Erling Blad; "Would have made it possible to make guesses on good labels, aliases, sitelinks and descriptions. Dou..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34524 [22:39:51] New review: John Erling Blad; "Oudated dependency. This should be fixed, as it is needed for some of the weirder group rights schem..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47033 [22:41:48] New review: John Erling Blad; "I really don't know why a simple solution to pressing problems can't be merged." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/51977 [22:43:13] Change abandoned: John Erling Blad; "I guess someone will come up with the right solution." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/51976 [22:44:42] Change abandoned: John Erling Blad; "I doubt this will be used, Status objects are the way to go." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52238 [22:45:24] New patchset: Anja Jentzsch; "(Bug 42063, bug 44577) Special:EntityData supports RDF output" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/51164 [22:46:00] Change abandoned: John Erling Blad; "Whatever, it will never be used anyhow." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/51977 [22:46:26] multichill: are you there? [23:08:18] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "I see no changes since patch set 6. Please make sure you add all relevant files when amending your c..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/51164 [23:19:18] New patchset: Anja Jentzsch; "(Bug 42063, bug 44577) Special:EntityData supports RDF output" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/51164 [23:49:56] Hi guys. Why do we have news about reaching the 8M milestone, and there is simultanously a text saying "the free knowledge base with 7,313,682 items that anyone can edit" just slightly above that? :) [23:50:29] odder: it's simple some of item has been deleted [23:51:06] 687 thousand of them? [23:51:57] spambots [23:51:57] lol [23:52:04] and bot goofs