[00:23:57] Is anyone having trouble editing?.. [00:24:05] I can't save.. [00:28:23] Nobody is having problems?.. [00:32:27] Riley: I'm not having problems, what's happening [00:33:51] he can't save [00:35:37] hmm >: [00:36:24] I don't think anyone else is experiencing issues [00:38:38] Moe_Epsilon: When I go to change a description, label or add an interwiki item I get the error "An error occurred while trying to perform save and because of this, your changes could not be completed." [00:41:25] legoktm: Hello, bot :) [00:44:21] Riley: is it just that one item? [00:44:26] try others, if you haven't [00:48:27] I have tried several [00:49:00] Hm, removing items work though.. [00:49:18] No idea. I know there are some problematic items which are hard to edit [00:51:28] the internal querrying of client wikis should be changed so we get more debug info [00:52:29] I think it is mostly a timeout problem but doesn't really know [00:54:53] Hazard-SJ: heheheh [00:55:07] Riley: are you on www.? [00:55:43] [11:33:11 AM] legoktm: has your bot reviewed all items linking to P21 if they use Q44148 and Q43445 insted of Q6581072 and Q6581097? <-- It's still working [00:58:43] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Move Database component out of repo" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56763 [01:23:06] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Move Query component out of repo" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56765 [01:24:32] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Make ChangeRow work with new ORMTable." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56384 [01:29:04] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56763 [01:29:25] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56765 [01:37:38] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Make ChangeRow work with new ORMTable." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56384 [01:42:44] legoktm: Yes, on www. [01:45:59] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56384 [02:07:24] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Change DataValue serialization of EntityId to use prefixed id" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56183 [02:19:28] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Remove static calls to MW code; this is a standalone lib!" [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56766 [02:36:08] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(4 comments)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) C: -2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56272 [03:12:52] Riley: not sure then.... [03:14:13] :/ [03:42:23] Hahc21: hello [03:42:40] Hi Hazard-SJ :) [03:43:49] * Hazard-SJ is waiting a few more minutes before deleting the item Hahc21 just requested deletion of since it was created quite recently :P [03:44:36] Hehe, it's okay ^^ [03:45:06] My assumption is that the wikilinks was already in use in another item, and therefore the IP was unable to add it there [03:47:49] Hahc21: Done now. I usually still wait a bit just in case. [03:48:27] Hazard-SJ: Understandable. Just in case the IP has yet to add the link, and to avoid scaring them off [03:48:32] :P [03:48:55] :D [03:49:27] :D [04:11:08] hi guys [04:11:18] what the heck is wikidata? [04:12:16] It's a knowledge base containing pertinenr information used on many Wikimedia projects [04:12:49] hmmm [04:13:23] I am still confused [04:13:52] mattwj2002: basically all the langlinks that were formerly stored in page text are now in one central repository [04:14:07] also, you can store raw data in it too [04:14:19] hmmm [04:14:20] like Barack Obama male [04:14:27] so then, the infobox on whatever wiki [04:14:28] oh interesting [04:14:35] just needs to check {{#property:sex}} [04:14:38] Or something [04:14:55] so it is a cross language tool? [04:14:57] nice [04:15:52] will things like siri or google search take advantage of it? [04:16:18] if they want to [04:16:25] its going to be very powerful [04:16:34] nice [04:16:35] :) [04:17:03] with great power comes great responsiblity [04:17:04] ;) [06:13:19] we're getting close to 9 million [06:13:56] 10 million will be time to celebrate [06:14:27] psh [07:44:22] Hi! One week after submitting the property proposal, I have created the property Property:P372 (Insee code). Unfortunately, I have chosen the wrong datatype (it's item, but should be string) and I don't find a possibility to change it. :( [07:45:51] ah [07:45:59] we just have to delete it and make a new one [07:46:12] i can take care of deleting it [07:46:33] Ah okay, thank you legoktm! [07:47:11] {{done}} [07:47:11] How efficient, legoktm! [07:51:00] The new Property:P374 works just fine. Thanks again! [07:53:51] :D [09:18:41] happy Easter to all [09:48:04] hello [09:48:20] hi [11:07:54] wooooo [11:07:55] [06:07:42 AM] [[Q9000000]]; Legobot; /* wbeditentity-create:0| */; https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?oldid=17500865&rcid=17520768 [11:08:12] item 9 million [11:08:14] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategorie:Langen_Br%C3%BCtz [11:08:44] \o/ [11:12:57] i need to figure out how to make my bot edit faster… :x [11:13:08] i have 30k edits queued on my laptop [11:13:56] -هح 91.229.215.242 [11:14:09] [sorry wrong channel, wrong language!] [11:14:30] :) [13:16:07] is hazard bot not archiving? [13:16:30] legoktm: obviously not on WD:RFD [13:16:34] sigh [13:16:55] give me a few minutes [13:20:14] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata%3ARequests_for_deletions&diff=17552743&oldid=17551079 [13:35:56] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "(4 comments)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56272 [13:44:08] legoktm: good news :D [13:44:17] o.O [13:44:19] share plz [13:44:42] legoktm: you'll get your scholarship to Hong Kong :) [13:44:47] :DDDDDDDDD [13:55:15] Vogone: When is it going to be published? [13:55:42] Vogone: also, can you summarize what https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kurier#Bot_or_not_to_Bot is about? [13:56:44] legoktm: !!! wikimania? you should totally join one of my talk proposals then? [13:56:54] multichill: the Foundation has written an e-mail … [13:56:56] sure! [13:57:07] legoktm: let's talk about details next week? [13:57:10] ok [13:57:13] i have not written the proposals yet [13:57:20] but need to get my ass up... [13:57:21] :P [13:57:28] Vogone: Who from the WMF and to what list? [13:57:38] multichill: private mail [15:36:14] is commonsMedia datatype just a specialized string type? [15:36:56] Two persons from Scotland travelled to Rolvsøya in Finnmark, its far up north in Norway. They had made a small mistake. They should go to Rolvsøy near Fredrikstad in southern Norway. Small mistake, a miss on the order of 2000km. Shit happens.. XD [15:37:27] legoktm: No [15:37:33] hmmm [15:37:35] so then why does [15:37:41] https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=wbgetentities&ids=Q1068635&format=jsonfm [15:37:51] "property": "p14", [15:37:51] "datavalue": { [15:37:51] "value": "Illinois 76.svg", [15:37:51] "type": "string" [15:37:52] } [15:39:34] I had been expecting that datavalue['type'] would give me the property's datatype which should be commonsMedia [15:39:43] Don't remember, but I think it is the data values value type [15:40:46] so the only way to know that the datatype of that is a commons file would be to check the datatype of p14? [15:41:39] Yes [15:42:01] Each property uses a specific type [15:42:21] Calling it datatype is awkvard as there are nmumerous types involved [15:42:34] hmmm [15:43:18] The idea, at least as of last year, was to encapsulate values in objects and tag them as necessary [15:43:42] But inside data for a property there could be several values [15:44:06] And each of them should be tucked inside an object and tagged as apropriate [15:44:47] So basically what you will get is a bunch of values that must be interpreted in the context of the property and its assigned type [15:45:44] which means i need to separately request the data about the property [15:46:20] yes if you want to change it [15:47:00] but so far all claims will have a single value [15:47:41] hmm i think i figured it out [15:48:38] you should only change from a property to another if they have the same type or if you can rewrite the value to fit [15:49:07] i'm just trying to parse the data right now [15:50:34] I've been toying with an idea about how to rewrite values [15:50:45] And also generate new values [15:51:09] not sure I have time to do it tough [15:52:36] once a property has been created, i know that you can't change the type. is that still the plan going forward? or is it considered to be a bug and will be changable in the future? [15:53:09] Good day all. [15:53:14] It is a feature [15:53:18] hey JohnLewis [15:53:37] Hey Legoktm. Finally decided to contribute to Wikidata :) [15:53:43] jeblad: great. ill just set the cache to expire in 100 years then :) [15:54:13] In the original version everything was planned to be much more rigid and should not be changed once uploaded [15:54:52] wait, so will it be changeable in the future? [15:55:08] JohnLewis: cool, whatcha working on? [15:55:09] Now it is only "do not reuse deleted items" and "do not reuse deleted properties" [15:55:19] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges <- bot flags are so useful..... [15:55:43] For Now, Just on adding Labels and Descriptions. Did 9 yesterday, Added a enwiki link and asked Riley to delete a duplicate. [15:55:49] A type is set on creation of a property and should never be changed [15:55:54] Any other ideas for work Legoktm? [15:56:17] multichill: oops, forgot to set it [15:56:30] Me too than, how do I do that? [15:56:43] All the bots show up [15:56:57] If the type of a property is changed, that means data integrity is lost and items will die [15:57:15] multichill: rewrite or trunk? [15:57:32] ehm, hacked up trunk? [15:57:47] lolololol [15:58:02] you can figure it out then :P [15:58:16] JohnLewis: i do! [15:58:23] That is? [15:58:23] I've about 300.000 edits in queue now so I'd rather not change too much in the code [15:58:35] i need someone to help me tag football clubs [15:58:47] hold on a sec, lemme find the link [15:58:51] Ok. [15:59:49] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Association_football_clubs_by_year_of_establishment [16:00:05] just about every page in there can be tagged "instance of" --> "football team" [16:00:12] the easy way is to just fill out a request for my bot [16:00:23] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Tools/Array_properties_gadget [16:00:23] Will do Legoktm. [16:00:53] the specific values are at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Legobot/properties.js/Archive/2013/03/31 [16:01:04] you just need to check the category and any exclusion like Lists [16:01:13] instance-of can nearly always replace a category... [16:01:24] yup [16:02:24] multichill: hmm, i just have a bunch of feeder scripts dump into a mysql database, and then have another script just read from that [16:05:03] I'm not that structured right now. Just playing around to see what's possible. Found the bot flag btw [16:05:47] Currently importing taxobox info for butterflies and Commons category links [16:06:54] I am currently tagging a bunch of asteroids and importing what teams basketball and football/soccer players played on [16:07:05] i already finished ice hockey and most of baseballl [16:08:07] It's like starting Wikipedia again from scratch; So much fun new stuff to do and discover [16:08:44] :D [16:09:11] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Python_Scrapper_.2F_Crawler <- lol, beautifulsoup to use an api.... [16:09:12] kids... XD [16:12:30] heh, i lol'd when i saw that [16:13:42] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cook_%28profession%29 and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chef is a nice interwiki mess to fix... [16:36:38] I'm not sure if the subclass thing at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2439 is correct. How to model 1980 -> 1980's -> 20th century, etc? [16:37:13] hmmm [16:37:20] maybe a "decade" property? [16:37:33] 1980 1980's [16:37:53] A more generic property would be nice [16:38:06] well subclass works [16:38:10] it just seems weird [16:38:18] hmm, yes [16:46:40] properties can be subclasses [16:47:30] don't know if subclasses of items makes sense .. at least not in general [16:48:23] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q728784 <- what do you think jeblad? [16:49:02] multichill: i think it should be an instance of january, and january should be an instance of "month" [16:49:29] The recursion discussion [16:49:49] It is just time with different range [16:49:57] it is not subclasses [16:50:12] but it is just my opinion [16:50:37] Just trying some things to see what works [16:51:11] We have 1000's of Wikipedia articles just about years, decades, etc. Would be nice to be able to properly structure these [16:51:20] We should discuss several options, its not set in stone how this should be [16:51:49] Completely agree [16:52:12] But note that our set of structuring primitives are veeeery limited for the moment [16:52:48] For location we have something to indicate that it's a subset, for time we should have the same [16:53:05] 2000 is an instance of year, that one is fairly sure [16:53:43] The is instance thing is clear (year, decade, etc) I think [16:53:56] We need https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P131 for time [16:54:00] 2000-2009 is also an instance of a decade [16:54:37] But how to link 2000 to 2000-2009? [16:55:01] * multichill is looking at https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=&to=&namespace=120 [16:55:06] I think the instance-of snak type and subclass-of will be made, but not before the community demands it [16:56:08] years-in-a-decade [16:56:49] I would like to have a more general