[00:00:42] multichill: I'm nearly done with something like that ;) [00:00:59] Except it would be an HTML input form so anyone can use it [01:37:47] I'm trying to clean up https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q9192944 but I keep running into contradictions. [01:45:28] ? [02:03:36] superm401: is there any sitelinks for that item? [02:05:07] jeblad, it's the barber paradox. My April Fool's joke kinda fell flat. [02:05:45] is there any reason why it should be kept? [02:06:17] jeblad, no, I'll mark it for deletion. [02:07:35] deleted [02:07:46] the barber paradox already has an item [02:08:46] jeblad, I know, it was item for the barber *in* the paradox, but no one found the joke. I was going to delete it at any rate anyway. [02:11:06] I'm to tired and can't neither sleep nor shave anyone [02:12:54] * jeblad have a brain overload and can't sleep [02:32:57] superm401: My tone was a bit blunt, sorry, its late [02:33:47] jeblad, it's okay, it was a pretty niche joke, even for Wikidata. [02:35:38] seems like I found a good book about sematic web / linked data, but its not free and it is published without concent [02:36:12] Perhaps we should have a page about good reading.. [02:36:50] but didn't I make such a page some time ago.. [03:29:45] wtf https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?diff=18373642&oldid=17637699&rcid=18394448 ? [03:30:51] Poorly timed Burmese vandalism? [03:32:41] no clue [03:32:46] i blocked them though [03:49:56] seems to have been a cross-wiki LTA [04:32:45] is someone running a bot that logged out? [04:32:45] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/108.235.225.145 [06:13:11] hey all,need help to create a new entry plis [06:13:51] hey [06:13:55] whats up [06:14:56] hey russavia [06:14:59] * Moe_Epsilon waves [06:15:01] can I be of help? [06:15:34] oh hej [06:15:47] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q9229447 that's all one has to do eh? [06:16:04] Indeed, basically [06:16:07] Good work! [06:16:16] you're good, russavia :) [06:16:20] nothing more to do? [06:17:01] I added 'instance of' = 'website' [06:17:09] cant find anything else to add on Statements [06:18:12] is wikidate active on all projects now? [06:18:38] yep [06:18:41] all WP projects by now [06:18:46] yes [06:18:47] Not sister projects yet [06:18:56] and phase 2 is only live on 11 wikis [06:18:57] looking at http://om.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polandball i see it still has old wikilinks [06:19:06] make an item! [06:19:06] xD [06:19:18] russavia: you might need to remove them locally [06:19:48] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q88870 [06:19:52] Polandball has an item [06:19:55] ahhh ok i see [06:20:11] it just needed a null edit to kick the wikidata feedin [06:20:19] oh [06:20:22] I see [06:20:22] or purge [06:20:22] :p [06:20:23] purge usually works [06:29:10] who's an admin on wikidata? [06:29:41] russavia: hi [06:29:44] whatcha need? [06:30:08] tx pvt [06:52:15] sDrewth: mind just deleting it yourself? :) [06:54:08] okay [06:55:00] if you are saying that is the preferred means for me to take, then it would be great for an admin to stick a note on my page as a point of reference [06:56:52] sDrewth: better yet, do an RfA [06:56:59] you'd easily pass [06:57:19] is there are performance indicator for WD admins to not have pages requests lasting [06:57:24] more than 5 seconds! [06:58:02] dammit [06:58:07] people arent marking things as done [06:58:15] a bot should do that [06:58:17] no one touch rfd, my script is marking them all as done [06:58:19] * Moe_Epsilon marked it all :{{done}} ~~~~ [06:58:19] How efficient, Moe_Epsilon! [06:58:33] :< [06:58:38] :{{done}} ~~~~ :{{done}} ~~~~ :{{done}} ~~~~ [06:58:38] How efficient, rschen7754! [06:58:45] lol [06:59:07] efficiency cubed [06:59:08] ;p [07:00:41] * Jasper_Deng kinda feels it would be redundant to give sDrewth rollback when he can just as easily get sysop [07:00:54] (also b/c he's steward) [07:03:05] * Moe_Epsilon frowns that someone has an image in their signature [07:03:56] i think sven tried to talk to someone with one and they were unhappy [07:04:22] * Moe_Epsilon shakes head [07:06:12] solution [07:06:13] DGAF [07:08:59] Jasper_Deng: I have global rollback, so no real advantage [07:09:39] let me say that "Milford" was a bad word to pick for a tidy up [07:16:24] don't mind fixing 20 from 20, but 30 from 100 seems wrong [10:09:22] * edsu waves [10:11:45] hey edsu :) [10:13:38] Lydia_WMDE: you are @wikidata right? [10:13:43] lol [10:13:44] i am [10:14:02] :-D [10:14:15] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nAbbPRkRes [10:14:35] heh [10:15:06] Lydia_WMDE: as you probably saw in my tweet back to you, i don't keep the stream of data available in wikipulse or wikistream [10:15:21] ok [10:15:22] too bad [10:15:29] i'll see if i can get it elsewhere maybe [10:15:42] Lydia_WMDE: mainly because of the volume ; i have thought about moving them to wikimedia servers where they could keep the history [10:15:57] would be cool to see if the bot edits for interwiki links for example noticeably degreesed now [10:16:05] Lydia_WMDE: but i figure the analytics folks wok on kraken is the future for this stuff http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics [10:16:11] *nod* [10:16:28] oh, yes -- that would be very interesting to track [10:16:28] decreased even [10:17:03] i'm kind of astounded how heavy the traffic is for wikidata releative to other wikipedias [10:17:15] you guys are doing a great job [10:17:30] :) [10:17:42] we are bretty astounded too :P [10:17:50] and actually a little afraid [10:17:57] but don't tell anyone ;-) [10:17:57] hehehe :) [10:17:57] yes, i can imagine [10:18:27] have you considered having a bot meeting? [10:18:38] where people writing bots could get together to talk about what they are doing? [10:18:53] not yet, no but that sounds like a cool idea [10:18:59] wanna get it started? [10:19:40] sure I could do that I think [10:19:47] we really do need to collaborate [10:19:55] \o/ [10:19:58] sweet [10:20:03] i ran a 300k page job and found that 90% of it was done [10:20:06] once it is set up i am happy to promote it [10:20:10] legoktm: heh [10:20:16] but they didnt bother to add the references [10:20:26] meh [10:20:36] legoktm: nice [10:22:08] legoktm, Lydia_WMDE would an irc meetup be useful? or a google hangout, etc? [10:22:21] edsu: i think a irc meeting is better for most people [10:22:24] i prefer IRC [10:22:30] ok, me too [10:22:45] just wasn't sure what you were used to doing for this sort of thing [10:22:53] but give me a few days, ive nearly finished a platform where any user can submit jobs, and any bot can act upon them :) [10:22:54] we do office hours on irc [10:23:04] legoktm: woah woah woah [10:23:10] you're crazy :P [10:23:17] its pretty cool if i say so myself :) [10:23:25] it does sound cool [10:23:27] legoktm: well, it's not like work would need to be completed [10:23:29] and a bit scary ;-) [10:23:41] legoktm: just a chance for people to learn from each other [10:23:51] true [10:24:06] but this will make everyone's lives much easier [10:24:19] legoktm: if a user wanted to do an edit why would they go to your platform instead of to wikidata itself? [10:24:33] edsu: because my platform lets you make mass edits [10:24:58] like if you wanted the en description for everyone in Category:Actors to be "actor" or something [10:25:03] you could do it [10:25:19] and once a sysop (or trusted user) approves it, a bot acts on it [10:25:33] interesting [10:25:50] Lydia_WMDE: what's the status on change propagation? [10:26:03] in that example you gave, what would happen to existing descriptions? [10:26:07] I mean efficiency? [10:26:08] lazowik: it should be good now for all i can tell [10:26:21] well i suppose you could choose whether to overwrite existing or not [10:26:32] legoktm: that would be nice :) [10:28:49] my main issue is that i tried to design it for wmflabs except i dont have db access, so i've had to write some hacked up stuff to let wmflabs send a query request to the toolserver, and then get a response back [10:29:30] legoktm: is it possible to request db access there? [10:29:38] no, labs doesnt have it yet [10:29:41] its supposed to be coming [10:29:46] legoktm: i guess read-only is there now? [10:29:57] nope [10:30:00] there's no access yet [10:30:02] huh, slow coming [10:30:11] yeah.... [10:30:17] i guess it's not a small problem [10:31:43] i also kinda got distracted by the xkcd hashing competition :P [10:35:37] Hallo. This message is very odd: http://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Wikibase-unconnectedpages-iwdata-label/en [10:35:59] aharoni: looking :) [10:36:14] it says "Only pages with interlanguagelinks", and its documentation appears to say the opposite: http://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Wikibase-unconnectedpages-iwdata-label/qqq [10:36:20] so is it "with" or "without"? [10:36:40] aharoni: ewww - i'll poke someone about it [10:36:44] thx [10:36:48] if the documentation should say "with", just edit the page at translatewiki.net that ends with qqq [10:37:04] if the English message should say "without", then it must be edited in the source code. [10:37:04] ok [10:39:28] it's "unconnectedpages" [10:39:32] so I'd say that without [10:40:05] yes looking at it i agree [10:40:31] aharoni: i'll file a bug to make sure it gets done [10:40:39] thank you. [10:48:37] Lydia_WMDE: is it easy to identify iterwiki link edits in the irc log message? [10:49:09] i could write something pretty simple to track it from now on [10:51:39] and how about this message: https://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Wikibase-unconnectedpages-format-row/en ? [10:51:48] it says: "($1 interlanguagelinks on the page)" [10:51:53] why no PLURAL? [10:52:44] edsu: i am not sure what the irc messages look like but the edit summary should be easy to identify, yes [10:52:50] aharoni: looking [10:53:33] another message question: https://wikidata.org/wiki/Special:DispatchStats - [10:54:04] what exactly "dispatching" means? *distribution* of changes in Wikidata so that they will be visible in the client? [10:54:11] yes exactly [10:54:11] s/client/clients/ [10:54:14] OK. [10:55:00] aharoni: will file bug for the missing plural [10:55:04] OK. [11:04:30] Lydia_WMDE: to be honest, I'm not even sure if all the wikidata edits show up in the wikidata.wikipedia irc channel [11:04:45] edsu: uhhh that would be bad? [11:05:05] Lydia_WMDE: well i'm not sure [11:05:47] Lydia_WMDE: my limited understanding of how the wikipedias keep up to date w/ wikidata is sql updates via a daemon that runs in the background? [11:06:09] Lydia_WMDE: i think the irc messages just reflect things that happen through the UI or API? [11:06:25] Lydia_WMDE: i'm not sure about that, just speculating [11:06:51] irc should happen the same way it is happening for the wikipedias [11:06:52] Lydia_WMDE: at any rate, if anything it would mean wikidata was sustaining a higher level of update activity than I display in wikipulse or wikistream [11:07:17] as for dispatching changes to the wikipedias: yeah it's not a proper demon but kinda like that [11:07:27] heh [11:08:10] Lydia_WMDE: if updates are done in batch via sql, they will likely bypass the code that sends off the update to irc [11:08:24] ok [11:08:43] i don't know the details either unfortunately so can't comment [11:08:50] daniel knows but he's on vacation# [11:09:08] ok, no worries [11:11:17] edsu: doesnt matter whether the edit is via API or UI, it shows up in the IRC feed [11:11:54] legoktm: right, but the wikidata daemon executes sql directly [11:11:59] er [11:12:04] thats for dispatching right? [11:12:17] do you mean that wikidata changes wont show up in #en.wikipedia or something? [11:12:23] yes, i guess that's what it's called ; it's been a bit since i looked honestly [11:12:48] legoktm: no, just that some don't show up in #wikidata.wikipedia [11:12:53] possibly [11:12:54] hmm [11:12:57] Lydia_WMDE: I think that there is a general problem with messages - messages which address user directly should give the user as parameter to GENDER [11:13:00] you sure about that? [11:13:01] and they seldom do [11:13:07] huh? [11:13:19] i havent noticed any edits missing [11:13:47] legoktm: how would you know if there were missing? :) [11:13:54] s/there/they/ [11:13:57] because i keep a pretty close watch on the feed :) [11:14:09] legoktm: you are watching your own edits? [11:14:35] kinda [11:14:39] i watch my userspace [11:14:43] and other bot-related pages [11:14:45] i am definitely not saying that things don't show up [11:14:57] or rather, that nothing is showing up [11:15:00] hmmm [11:15:05] i wonder if we can test it? [11:15:17] poll the API vs RC feed. [11:15:41] i can see from http://wikipulse.herokuapp.com/ that there are ~500 edits per minute to wikidata [11:15:44] lazowik: how many are we talking about? [11:15:55] don't know exactly [11:15:59] it's hard to check [11:16:14] can someone please go to http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q4524&diff=18257082&oldid=11149326 and see if the page is scrolled down to after the diff for you? [11:16:42] Lydia_WMDE: it scrolled me down to about the second line of the diff [11:16:55] legoktm: mpfh ok - thanks [11:16:58] TobiasG_WMDE: ^ [11:17:00] edsu: yeah, most bots edit without a throttle [11:17:04] legoktm: like i said, bots that hit the api definitely show up in the irc chat [11:17:11] no i meant ike [11:17:14] compare list=recentchanges [11:17:21] vs the edits in the RC feed [11:18:34] legoktm: browser? OS? [11:18:54] Firefox 19 / OSX 10.8 [11:18:59] thx [11:19:49] np [11:22:29] legoktm: nevermind, i should've stayed quiet, i was just wondering if some of the changes that happen behind the scenes trigger messages in those streams [11:23:12] Lydia_WMDE: see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Localisation#.E2.80.A6on_user_names_via_GENDER [11:23:25] edsu: oh, i dont think so. [11:23:33] and I think that none of the Wikidata messages follows that... [11:24:48] lazowik: ok i'll write an email about it [11:25:08] thanks [11:41:39] New patchset: Micha? ?azowik; "(bug 46784) Changed en message to match the qqq description" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57046 [11:58:16] New patchset: Siebrand; "Changed English message to match the qqq description" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57046 [12:02:17] lazowik: people are asking for examples where it is currently wrong to understand it better. do you have one by chance? [12:02:41] I can find [12:02:52] just a moment [12:03:31] thanks! [12:06:00] Lydia_WMDE: wikibase-itemdisambiguation-invalid-langcode [12:06:17] thanks [12:06:29] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Wikibase-itemdisambiguation-invalid-langcode [12:07:47] now in polish translation passive from is used [12:07:51] *nod* [12:07:57] (just I did in the sentence above :D) [12:08:01] *like I did [12:08:21] but it's much more "official" [12:08:52] yeah i understand [12:09:02] emailed about it - let's see if it helps :) [12:09:10] ok, thanks [12:13:22] Lydia_WMDE: is the bot that adds gerrit changes to bugzilla working? [12:13:58] lazowik: uhm it should be but now that you mention it it might take a break somewhere at the beach -.- [12:14:02] i'll poke someone about it [12:14:25] oh, maybe he deserves a rest? [12:14:29] :P [12:20:08] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Changed null parser to be useful." [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57048 [12:20:08] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 45002) Created new extension folder for "ValueView" extension." [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57049 [12:20:09] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 45002) jQuery.valueview is now a single Widget using composition rather than inheritance" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57050 [12:20:09] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 45002) additional experts for jQuery.valueview" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57051 [12:31:09] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 45002) Using the new "ValueView" extension in Wikibase now." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57052 [12:31:09] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 45002) made EntityId data values work with the new jQuery.valueview." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57053 [12:33:44] Moe_Epsilon: ping :) [12:37:27] New review: Tobias Gritschacher; "This will break the current UI (statements) and should not be submitted until the UI has been adjusted." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) C: -2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56183 [12:52:00] aude_: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56951 [12:54:43] [07:53:12 AM] <+RyuBot-wikidata> New user [[User:THEPURCHONPROJECT]] created. Block: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Blockip/THEPURCHONPROJECT [12:54:44] 04[4] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:THEPURCHONPROJECT [12:55:24] [07:54:49 AM] <+RyuBot-wikidata> New user [[User:XxEPICPURCHxx]] created. Block: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Blockip/XxEPICPURCHxx [12:55:24] 04[5] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:XxEPICPURCHxx [12:55:43] Spam bots?! :/ [12:55:59] no clue [12:56:23] * legoktm is more focused on the hashing competition [12:57:45] legoktm: xkcd? :P [12:57:56] hoo: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Project_chat&diff=prev&oldid=18620872 [12:57:59] MF-W: yeah :D [12:58:03] my school is at 392 [12:58:18] hm, who is leading atm? [12:58:38] Karlsruhe Institute of Technology, lol :D [12:58:38] kit.edu [12:58:51] * legoktm has a live feed in ##legoktm-xkcd  [12:58:51] 04[6] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/ [12:59:32] best i've hit personally is 399 [13:00:26] how does it actually work? you enter the school domain, and then sth random? [13:00:48] basically yes [13:01:12] right now my server+laptop are going at ~6million hashes/sec [13:01:16] MF-W: legoktm: KIT is where Denny_WMDE and I were before wikidata ;-) [13:01:21] o.O [13:01:27] cool [13:01:35] except you're going to lose ;) [13:01:42] *sob* [13:01:42] Lydia_WMDE: oh true, I remember reading something like that :D [13:09:45] Reedy: hey :) has the term search script finished running? [13:23:37] New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "Changed English message to match the qqq description" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57046 [13:26:10] New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "Changed English message to match the qqq description" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57046 [14:54:32] New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 44228) Template engine: Overriding plain() method" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57071 [14:54:32] New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 44228) Explicit "undefined" check in EditableValue" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57072 [14:54:33] New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 44228) Checking if instanceof is supported correctly" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57073 [15:02:17] New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 44228) Template engine: Overriding plain() method" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57071 [15:02:38] New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 44228) Explicit "undefined" check in EditableValue" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57072 [15:02:42] New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 44228) Checking if instanceof is supported correctly" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57073 [15:08:34] hmm [15:08:42] people are setting the label to {{delete}} [15:08:43] 10[7] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:delete [15:13:51] So Henning is working on instance-of, thats nice [15:14:15] * jeblad doesn't have to go to WMDE to spank Henning today [15:14:45] o.O [15:15:57] TobiasG_WMDE: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17322 [15:16:30] lazowik: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17322 <- bot that is posting gerrit links to bugs has been disabled because of api changes and is waiting for a replacement [15:16:45] ok, noted [15:17:22] Are you bored John? There's a lonely seat next to me - but the screen is already gone. [15:17:29] * jeblad hugs his new ThinkPad [15:17:51] Henning_WMDE: So Jeroen has yet another screen? [15:18:13] No, Silke took yours... Tobi grabbed Anja's [15:18:47] Updated 100 search keys, up to row 19053383. [15:19:04] * jeblad can hear his old screen crying in loneliness [15:19:05] 71900315 [15:19:14] Reedy: what does that mean in %? [15:19:27] 26.499% [15:19:30] ok [15:19:31] thx [15:19:47] legoktm: I just run into a huge batch of articles that don't have a wikidata item yet :-( [15:19:47] I'm slightly suprised it's still actually running [15:19:57] heh [15:20:07] multichill: o.O [15:20:10] id offer to help [15:20:15] but i have a midterm in 40 minutes [15:20:31] Lag is down to 0! [15:21:21] legoktm: hello [15:21:21] * Reedy lags jeblad [15:21:28] hey Amir1 [15:21:29] Oldest from 30. march and stalest is 1 minute? Something is wrooong... [15:21:31] multichill: hello you too [15:21:41] New patchset: Hoo man; "Missing message for wbsetreference" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57075 [15:22:20] legoktm: what do you think about this bug(s)? [15:22:47] [[User talk:Dexbot]] [15:22:47] 10[8] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Dexbot [15:22:48] asimov?where r u [15:22:53] good boy [15:22:55] :D [15:22:59] Amir1: sorry i'm busy atm, will be free later tonight (12h) [15:23:15] in which TZ? [15:23:34] central, but its gonna be in around 12 hours [15:23:35] oh your mean is 12 hours later [15:23:42] * jeblad drags his feet into a book about clustering in crowdsourced content [15:23:43] yeah [15:23:48] ok [15:24:31] legoktm: a user from ar.wp came to me and complained about userlib.py [15:24:40] I think this code really needs to be rewritten [15:24:45] * legoktm is busy :/ [15:24:48] I want to do this [15:24:52] i know [15:24:59] * legoktm points to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Pywikipediabot/2.0 [15:25:04] i don't want to bother you [15:25:19] :) [15:25:30] "The Curry Correspondence", seems like something for johl [15:25:55] I wants to know if there is something you want to suggest about userlib.py [15:25:56] want [15:26:10] any idea [15:26:18] I do all at once [15:29:02] I go and catch you later [15:29:11] bye for now dear legoktm [15:29:17] o/ [15:38:03] Reedy? You there? [15:38:07] Np [15:38:11] DAMN IT [15:38:26] It seems like central auth have problems with propagating logons to/from Wikidata [16:19:47] hrmmm, no danielk [16:20:02] oh, vacation says lydia in scrollback [16:21:04] Notice: Undefined variable: cacheKey in /data/daniel/brightbyte.de/www/html/mw/extensions/News/NewsRenderer.php on line 816 [16:21:20] for http://brightbyte.de/feeds/PlanetWikimedia.atom [16:23:35] was playing around tallying bot edits using stathat and coffeescript https://gist.github.com/edsu/5293224 [16:23:54] oops sorry, wrong channel [16:24:05] ok, mailed him [16:24:18] oh wait, no i meant to send it here sorry - it's wikidata edits [18:18:20] +1 multichill [18:18:56] (re: not re-inventing the wheel) [18:21:09] can someone tell me what this inline-category-edit-thingy in en.wiki is and who made it? [18:21:53] HotCat? [18:22:25] yes [18:22:48] iirc it was originally made on commons [18:23:05] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Gadget-HotCat [18:23:19] I'm guessing you're probably interested in https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Gadget-HotCat#Installing_HotCat_on_another_wiki [18:23:33] Is there any discussion about the deployment in enwiki? [18:24:04] I tested it and I see several Usability and Design Issues [18:24:07] somewhere [18:24:21] check the village pump archives? [18:24:22] also [18:24:33] maybe you should be saying this in #wikipedia-en? ;) [18:25:16] ohh... [18:25:23] I thougt I am in #mediawiki [18:25:31] sorry [18:28:06] no worries :) [18:28:34] is Lydia_WMDE here? [18:58:31] Good day all. [19:05:20] Incredible, there's a new authority control feature? [19:05:30] Can somebody point me to some history of what this does? [19:16:07] nvm, its Magnus Manske gadget, and I forgot I added it [19:18:45] Is phase 2 rollout still blocked on JobQueue stuff? [19:48:08] [02:47:53 PM] <@StewardBot> (bot) MF-Warburg changed user rights for VIAFbot@wikidatawiki from (none) to bot with the following comment: per https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/?diff=prev&oldid=5361172 and [[:d:Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/VIAFbot]] [19:48:09] 04[9] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/:d:Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Bot/VIAFbot [19:48:13] notconf: you have a green light :) [19:49:35] More bots :) [19:51:07] Does anyone know, when Lydia_WMDE will be back? [20:02:18] lbenedix: Between 10 and 11 CEST tomorrow morning, I presume [20:02:33] thanks [20:02:38] After 11am for sure [20:02:48] maybe someone here can answer my questions ;) [20:03:36] is it possible to make usertests on the test-server? Is there a mechanism that clones the live-system? [20:03:52] testing only with chemical elements is kind of lame [20:04:16] is there a "wikidata explained for your grandmother"? [20:04:22] lbenedix: Playing with chemistry can be a lot of fun :D [20:04:43] " Is there a mechanism that clones the live-system?" there are DB dumps [20:04:47] usertests? [20:05:13] We got a glossary but that's more Wikidata for you CS student than for your grandmother :P [20:05:49] bit over the top maybe :P [20:05:51] The best would be a screencast, that I can show my grandmother... [20:06:29] "What is Wikidata and how to use it" [20:07:03] That would probably be nice to have [20:07:25] reading the 100 Wikipages is not appropriate for granny [20:07:40] Still then, she would be clueless... [20:07:59] What do you mean? [20:08:26] 'Wikidata for Grannies': Don't use it. Go to [[Special:Mylanguage\MyWikipedia|Wikipedia]]. [20:08:27] 04[10] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Mylanguage%5CMyWikipedia [20:08:40] I forgot that bot does that :) [20:08:43] Depending on how much pre existing knowledge with Wiki systems you have, just reading pages probably wont help here [20:09:33] is knowledge about Wikis mandatory to understand Wikidata? [20:10:12] Not really, but I presume it helps a lot... hard to tell from the perspective of someone who works with MediaWiki for 5+ years [20:11:23] you can do a limited number of things in wikidata... search, add/edit/remove item/label/description/statement/... [20:12:17] There's a difference between casually editing it and mastering it, I guess [20:12:41] eg. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Glossary#Claims_and_Statements you don't really need to know that for editing items [20:13:34] Hi guys. Can I get Wikidata ID or Wikipedia link of item using {{#property}}? I can't find answer on help pages =( [20:13:59] Anyway, off to it [20:14:26] * eat [20:14:42] putnik: No, that's for accessing properties, as the name says [20:16:04] hoo|away, oh, sorry, property's Wikidata ID =) [20:23:50] hoo|away, most names of items equal to Wikipedia names, but it's not true for all items. So, I don't understand how to use it in Wikipedia. I can't direct set link atricle (it means that link may be wrong). And I can't use properties of item type, because it show names, and names can be changed. It means that only media and sting properties useful for this moment. Am I right? [20:34:15] legoktm, thank you! [20:34:48] :) [20:39:31] legoktm: Yeah, I've seen it happen so often.... [20:42:08] Lydia_WMDE: Hi. Do you know what the status is of Asher's comments a few days ago vis-a-vis jobqueue flooding? [20:42:27] Jarry1250: hey [20:42:36] yes it seems it was not really wikidata's fault [20:42:44] but a lot of bad coincidences [20:42:48] and wikidata didn't help [20:42:53] it's being worked on now [20:43:05] lbenedix: now i am here but i am kinda tired tbh [20:44:16] Lydia_WMDE: Any idea whether that's going to be days or a coupla weeks or longer? [20:44:39] Jarry1250: my hope is not more than 2 weeks - hopefully less but that is really just a guess [20:44:56] Yes, of course. [20:45:13] putnik: Sorry, I don't exactly get what you want to do [20:46:23] * jeblad is bck from the land of the living dead [20:46:26] ..or sleeping dead.. [20:47:05] putnik: fyi, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Wikibase_Client#Data_transclusion [20:48:26] Jarry1250: The jobqueue was flooded with changes from the change propagation [20:48:28] hoo, ok. It means that I can get what I want, by only using Lua? =) [20:48:40] The queue has shrinked during the weekend [20:49:18] putnik: mw.wikibase.label( id ) takes an item ID and returns the label in the language of the local wiki. [20:49:25] Is that what you want? If so, atm, yes [20:53:07] hoo, no, not this. I want to get propetry ID. I need something permanent. {{#property}} returns item's name, but if somebody changes it, all conditions would be wrong. [20:54:01] putnik: So you want the item ID? Like Q42? [20:54:05] Oops. Sorry, not ID of property (pXXX), ID of property's value (qXXX). [20:54:13] hoo, yes. [21:00:14] Lydia_WMDE: Sorry, last question, any general comments on the phase 2 rollout? A few bugs revealed, nothing major, that sort of thing? (You are still the person to ask these things, right? Now it's April I mean.) [21:00:41] Jarry1250: jep i am still the person to ask :) [21:00:56] general comment on the rollout on the first 11 wikipedias? [21:01:04] it all seems to go fine for all i can tell [21:01:11] people are starting to try it [21:01:17] Yes. (lol, I put "last question" then asked 3. typical me) [21:01:22] :P [21:01:47] no major bugs [21:02:01] more features people are waiting for of course [21:02:11] like calling the property parser function by label and not id [21:03:35] but we're working on those [21:03:44] Lydia_WMDE: Yes, I saw I-forget-whose post about that, expected to take a couple of weeks? [21:03:45] and this particular one is ready for the next deployment [21:03:58] By label? [21:04:06] yes [21:07:17] putnik: That's only possible with lua... you can build a template wrapping around a lua call, though [21:08:27] Lydia: Lookup of the properties by the property parser function I guess [21:09:03] just me nitpicking ;) [21:09:58] hoo, ok, thanks for help. [21:25:51] Is a {{#property:p129|q1234}} syntax available already? I suppose it must be on the todo list [21:29:26] Jarry1250: todo list indeed [21:30:28] Editing large pages on Wikipedia has turned horribly slow lately [21:32:59] lately as in the last 3 years? :P [21:34:04] Well, it has become very slow the last year [21:35:06] I still hope for Lua... the result yet isn't noticeable, but maybe some time soon [21:39:03] For those interested in the change dispatch, that is if its to long it will also create problems for other stuff in the job queue, here is the special page http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:DispatchStats [21:40:14] Yhe important thing is the median, if it goes up into hours we will start to loose changes at some point [21:40:29] Previously it was [21:40:44] above 24 hours [21:40:56] That was before the weekend [22:45:36] Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57071 [22:45:51] Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57072 [22:47:13] New review: Daniel Werner; "why not put this into jQuery.support or at least jQuery.wikibase.support?" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57073 [22:51:01] New review: Daniel Werner; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57073 [23:03:04] New review: Daniel Werner; "(2 comments)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56183 [23:28:04] Is there anything preventing this proposal from moving forward? http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Requests_for_deletions#Proposal:_One_deletion_page_for_items.2C_another_for_everything_else [23:31:58] yes, the laziness of other community members