[00:01:59] Are there design guidelines anywhere? [00:02:22] There aren't any design guidelines... at least I'm not aware of any [00:02:27] just code conventions :D [00:02:55] * lbenedix loves codeconventions [00:04:20] and what is this: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Design ? [00:04:45] lbenedix: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Coding_conventions/PHP hope you follow them :P [00:05:16] * lbenedix configured his intellij to format the code [00:05:22] " It is not a style guide for the MediaWiki software. " [00:05:48] "style and design specification guideline for Wikimedia Foundation projects" [00:06:00] wikidata is a wikimedia project [00:06:52] lbenedix: That whole thing is about Agora and that's a concept, nothing more [00:07:50] It is something called a guideline and it is written by designers working for the Foundation [00:10:09] Maybe that's what the page says but it has no relevance in reality [00:10:21] neither in MediaWiki core nor in any of the extension I work on [00:10:34] (including Wikibase, of course) [00:10:53] so they are paying designers for nothing? [00:11:08] No, they are working on the Agora skin AFAIK [00:11:49] Agora is an Extension that adds CSS styles to make it easy to follow the guidelines [00:16:08] Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57682 [00:16:13] PinkAmpersand: Around? [00:16:18] ouai [00:16:29] Could you write a simple template for me? [00:16:39] sure! :) [00:17:00] a simple template [00:17:04] there you go [00:17:05] ;P [00:19:32] nothing simple with a template.. ;p [00:25:44] Fun fact, my bot created 1405756 items in the past 30 days... [00:25:49] lets see how many were in the last 24h [00:27:02] 608683 in the past 24h [01:18:31] hmmm [01:18:37] so Q10 million was a duplicate... [01:19:02] :/ [01:19:32] im gonna re open the bug about wbeditentity not detecting dupes on page creation [01:19:55] legoktm: Was the other one a recently created/ edited item? [01:20:25] march 15th i think [01:20:43] well, that's weird [01:21:08] legoktm: Have you yet deleted one of them? [01:21:11] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7357369 [01:21:17] JAn already did [01:21:29] last edit was https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Undelete&target=Q7357369×tamp=20130319062500 [01:22:19] :/ [01:22:34] I wondered in what state the secondary storage /was/ [01:24:24] Might be related to https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45882 [01:25:15] hmm [01:26:32] gah, i cant find the original bug [01:29:24] aha [01:29:25] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42325 [01:39:55] reopend [02:18:19] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(2 comments)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57466 [02:23:47] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Yeah, logic is definitely wrong - the code obtaining the formatter needs to know the data type, and ..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57466 [02:37:56] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Bureaucrats.3F [02:37:58] go comment! [03:25:41] * Jasper_Deng pokes Romaine [03:54:09] New patchset: Aude; "Add StringFormatter" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57706 [04:20:51] legoktm: now to see how many more things get added to the db [04:21:42] :D [04:23:09] I also made a script to cleanup any duplicates that got lost in the db :) as there were literally thousands xD [04:23:30] http://www.stathat.com//graphs/3f/28/25e4d750db501f44ad5673f8f989.png?1365135720 [04:23:44] o.O [04:23:52] you really love making these charts :P [04:23:55] :D [04:23:58] http://bots.wmflabs.org/~addbot/status [04:24:01] i love it xD [04:24:06] p.s. I added more ;p [04:51:45] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57706 [04:52:16] im re-writing my creation script [04:52:34] since there were a few issues with it >. [04:52:39] >.<* [04:53:39] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57516 [05:06:03] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Jenkins, y u no run tests :|" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57706 [05:26:26] I tried archiving my talk page. [06:46:07] Good morning. Can anyone tell me what shall be done with sitelinks if a page gets deleted? Shall the sitelink be removed from wd? [06:46:39] yes [06:46:48] and if it no longer has any sitelinks, list it at RfD [06:48:27] And if a page is temporarily moved to user namespace and likely to be moved back soon? Also remove at WD? [06:48:48] hhm.... [06:49:04] Or if it's deleted because of nonsense but title is definitely relevant and likely to be created newly soon? [06:49:17] Both ofter happens at dewiki. [06:51:15] trying to ask other admins to comment [06:51:41] well we shouldn't link to nonexistent pages [06:52:53] So it is not checked if the pages exists the sitelinks point to, before displaying them in the wikipedias? [06:54:22] krd, pages that are locally deleted are routinely removed, by bots I believe [06:54:34] It seems wikidata saves us the interwiki bots but needs a lot of bot actions itself. Not as it should have been designed... [06:55:13] Ok, so I don't have to take care about. Thank you. [07:05:23] eventually itll be a software feature [07:05:31] but until then, the bots take care of it [07:43:09] good morning, i have some question regarding the "best practices" for using {{#property}} [07:43:55] legoktm: hey :) awake now [07:44:04] i tried to add {{#property}} to some templates in hewiki, and found that sometimes the template links to a page, lets say [[Berlin (city)]], while the property gives me "berlin" [07:44:04] 04[4] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Berlin_%28city%29 [07:44:20] morning Lydia_WMDE [07:44:21] i filed [07:44:23] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46910 [07:44:33] to hopefully avoid that situation from happening again :) [07:44:38] * Romaine waves to Jasper_Deng [07:44:47] i would like to line to the correct "berlin" meaning and [[{{#property:p...}}]] isnt enough here [07:44:48] Caracteres inválidos en el enlace «{{#property:p...}}»; no están permitidos: <>[]{} [07:45:00] legoktm: cool - thanks - i will look into it [07:45:05] eranroz: i think thats because the label set for [[berlin (city)]] is "berlin" [07:45:05] 04[5] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/berlin_%28city%29 [07:45:09] legoktm: and sorry again for the block but it had to be [07:45:13] no worries [07:45:40] im just going to have the feeders stick all the pages in a db and have a single thread write to the wiki [07:45:48] rather than running one script for each wiki [07:45:50] *nod* [07:46:06] legoktm: i'm not sure what is the correct approch. i wrote some module to get the correct link using Lua [07:46:10] hmm [07:46:12] but it is a bit complicat [07:46:15] let me see what the documentation has [07:46:20] it really shouldnt be that complex [07:46:27] and maybe just changing the label should be enough? [07:46:34] well we want the label to still be berlin [07:47:01] it's not possible yet at least [07:47:09] i am not sure atm if it will be with the parser function [07:47:12] BTW the module can be found here: http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%99%D7%97%D7%99%D7%93%D7%94:PropertyLink [07:47:14] would also need to look it up [07:48:23] Reedy_: legoktm: hmmmm the lag is still 10h - that's not good [07:48:43] isn't it decreasing? [07:48:58] anything else doing something bad atm? [07:49:19] Sk!d's bot is still creating, but not even close to as fast as mine [07:49:24] ok [07:49:27] that should be fine then [07:49:29] maybe there's just a huge lag still? [07:49:44] it was at 6h something when i last checked yesterday [07:49:50] iirc [07:50:07] when i woke up and saw all the messages it was at 13h [07:50:12] ah [07:50:12] good [07:50:18] then it is at least decreasing [07:51:06] eranroz: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Inclusion_syntax#Items [07:51:26] "item display link" maybe? [07:52:14] yea, maybe item link is good. but it is still a draft? [07:52:27] im not sure [07:52:34] lemme test it ;) [07:53:30] legoktm: tested - not working yet ;) [07:53:34] :x [07:53:55] does test.wp have transclusion enabled or is that test2.wp? [07:54:42] legoktm: test2 [07:54:46] and that is not coded yet [07:55:31] oh :( [07:56:02] I'll use Lua for now, but i'm glad to see Wikidata team already know about this issuse. [07:56:54] :) [07:57:07] eranroz: thanks a lot for using/testing btw [08:09:36] Change merged: Henning Snater; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57670 [09:20:18] New patchset: Aude; "Add StringFormatter" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57706 [09:35:18] the test-repo is looking strange in german: http://lbenedix.monoceres.uberspace.de/screenshots/y6yhd7ihl1_(2013-04-05_11.34.43).png [09:35:48] :o [09:36:51] Henning_WMDE: ^ [09:36:58] http://wikidata-test-repo.wikimedia.de/wiki/Q3?setlang=de [09:41:45] lbenedix: think we know about it [09:44:33] Editing properties and qualifiers is strange [09:50:13] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwQl_U1jYgI [09:51:31] the no value thing exists in wikidata right now [09:51:36] you have to hit the little gear [09:54:46] in every other case I only have to click edit [09:55:34] and in the first case, when I wanted to edit the value Gold, the website qualifier got the focus [09:56:03] and when typing too fast there is no hint that the given qualifier is not existent [09:58:28] next thing, especially an issue for touch devices: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHEfjMtW7t0 [09:59:08] the clickable area of the sources-thingy is way to wide [10:01:33] changing the width of .wb-statement-references-container .wb-statement-references-heading would help [10:04:16] regarding the not editable boiling temperature: http://lbenedix.monoceres.uberspace.de/screenshots/d6iyzjfoz3_(2013-04-05_12.02.43).png [10:04:46] right [10:04:50] you need to hit the gear [10:05:03] you need to change the tooltip [10:05:27] I know what to do, but my grandmother would give up [10:05:32] :P [10:06:28] lbenedix: she should not give up! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 [10:06:53] LOL [10:08:01] gaaaaah [10:13:16] New patchset: Henning Snater; "statementview/snaklistview refactoring" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57726 [10:16:28] New patchset: Henning Snater; "statementview/snaklistview refactoring" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57726 [10:32:37] is the feedback I give here in the IRC disappearing in a black hole, or is some of the Wikidata designers reading here? [10:32:56] Lydia_WMDE: Better moment to explain about that easy method to list the pages of some Wiki[pedia] not linked to/from Wikidata? :) [10:34:21] jem-: can you use a database query? [10:34:25] jem-: http://wikidata-test-client.wikimedia.de/wiki/Special:UnconnectedPages <- it's still pretty horrible though [10:34:30] o.O [10:35:19] Thanks, Lydia_WMDE :), it's enough for me to know that the idea is there [10:35:29] np [10:35:55] legoktm: I could if needed, but a list is better for general use [10:36:12] well what are you planning to do with it? [10:36:48] Probably the pages should be reviewed by a currently existing bot [10:37:06] Which now is reviewing new pages [10:38:24] hmm [10:38:32] so then a db query would probably be best :P [10:39:37] Well, probably, if that bot had access to toolserver (it's not mine) [10:39:51] hmm [10:40:01] lol? http://wikidata-test-client.wikimedia.de/wiki/Index.php [10:40:03] maybe just making a list would be good enough? [10:40:14] We have spambots testing the client? :D [10:40:24] haha [10:40:31] :) [10:41:07] legoktm: It could be, I'll have to talk with Kizar about it [10:41:38] * lbenedix needs scar reducing surgery NOW!  [10:42:21] btw, legoktm, has your bot finished work at es.wiki? [10:42:27] not sure [10:42:30] lemme check [10:42:41] Last edit 2 apr 23:32 [10:43:14] lbenedix: in order for it to have max effect, you first need to get some nasty scars though [10:46:07] jem-: no, looks like its still running might not have found anything yet? [10:46:47] Hmmmm not found anything in 2+ days? [10:47:06] oh [10:47:10] its getting timeout errors [10:47:23] im just gonna kill it and try again [10:48:44] Ok [11:45:09] New patchset: Henning Snater; "claimview/claimlistview refactoring" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57735 [11:51:44] New patchset: Henning Snater; "claimview/claimlistview refactoring" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57735 [11:55:59] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 45002) jQuery.valueview is now a single Widget using composition rather than inheritance" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57050 [11:57:58] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Moves jQuery.ui.suggester from Wikibase into ValueView extension" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57449 [12:21:13] is the feedback I give here in the IRC disappearing in a black hole, or is some of the Wikidata designers reading here? [12:22:21] eh [12:22:36] you might want to try bugzilla :) [12:22:58] Yes, bugzilla it, please [12:23:16] Or patch it :P [12:23:54] jeroendedauw_: did you register for the amsterdam hackathon already? [12:24:02] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 45002) additional experts for jQuery.valueview" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57738 [12:24:56] Change abandoned: Daniel Werner; "after rebasing stuff along the dependency chain, this one doesn't like to be rebased. Re-committed a..." [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57321 [12:25:27] New review: John Erling Blad; "I wondered why you did it like that!" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57453 [12:25:28] lbenedix: yeah the best way is to get it into bugzilla - until now we just had so many other more pressing things to take care of that this simply didn't get done [12:27:59] Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57453 [12:30:23] * lbenedix don't want to use bugzilla (commenting is okay, but creating new issues sucks) [12:32:06] I really hate wikipedians that want to reopen issues one year after the discussions was closed ;/ [12:32:41] o.O [12:32:55] im guessing it was the issue that i reopened? [12:33:04] when the bug is not fixed... ;) [12:33:27] Don't think you are a Norweian? [12:33:34] * jeblad grumbles [12:34:07] not sure, but i re-opened a bug from 2012 a few hours ago :/ [12:34:52] This was something discussed on the signpost one year ago [12:35:04] oh [12:35:53] Wonder if I should walk over to WMDE and leech on their network [12:36:17] I need a reinstall and it would take hours on my network [12:39:40] * jeblad makes a note to stay away from gerrit, do your homework - you shall read the book, not play with gerrit [12:42:22] Lydia_WMDE: i THINK SO [12:42:23] meh [12:42:32] * jeroendedauw_ waves at jeblad [12:43:16] Lydia_WMDE: Do you yet know at which day/ time you plan to arrive and leave? [12:45:07] jeroendedauw_: heh - can you look at the registration form? it is pretty long so you'll probably remember if you did it already [12:45:22] hoo: yeah - will look it up after lunch [12:45:59] Lydia_WMDE: heh, I plan to arrive rather early (before the official program) [12:46:14] k [13:00:53] waves at jeblad :) [13:02:16] Change merged: Henning Snater; [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57048 [13:05:15] are you working on the UI right now or just adding features? [13:10:00] New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 45002) Created new extension folder for "ValueView" extension." [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57049 [13:20:44] New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 45002) Created new extension folder for "ValueView" extension." [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57049 [13:21:50] Change merged: Henning Snater; [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57049 [13:27:37] New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 45002) jQuery.valueview is now a single Widget using composition rather than inheritance" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57050 [13:30:31] aude: are you around? [13:35:54] hi benestar [13:35:56] legoktm: look at the graph of articles now ;p http://bots.wmflabs.org/~addbot/status [13:36:14] aude: do you remember my special page for settings sitelinks? [13:36:14] oh man [13:36:21] addshore: now fix the bot! [13:36:37] benestar: i think it's still in gerrit [13:36:42] are you still working on it? [13:36:44] there is nothing wrong with the bot :P [13:36:47] I don't know how I should work on, because I think it is working but don't know what they want [13:36:53] addshore: its updating the wrong page! [13:36:59] oh, pah [13:37:03] benestar: i'd have to take a look at it again.... [13:37:12] ill change ti at come point today if you do a histroy merge for me? ;p [13:37:24] I think it is needed now [13:37:47] benestar: it is [13:37:56] ;) [13:38:01] addshore: sure, i can do the merge [13:38:14] and eventually editing statements w/o js [13:38:15] ill just do it after you fix your bot :) [13:38:26] aude: well, I will try it [13:38:29] right :) give it shouldnt edit the old page on its next run, it shoudl edit the new one [13:38:36] i guess we will find out in 22 mins ;p [13:38:43] however, I think a rebase is needed [13:38:46] yes [13:38:49] aude: how to do that? [13:38:54] * aude tries the patch [13:39:05] I am still not an expert with git... :P [13:39:07] you need to update master [13:39:20] git pull --rebase origin master (make sure you are on master branch) [13:39:24] git status to check [13:39:32] let me try [13:39:47] then git review -d #### [13:39:49] also legoktm I finslly made my bot determine the number of articles it is going to try to take from the DB dependant upon the current number of queued db requests :P SO no more breaking the cluster :D [13:39:56] git rebase master [13:39:58] :) [13:40:17] may work perfect or probably has conflicts that you need to fix [13:42:45] aude: what kind of conflicts? [13:43:32] benestar: stuff that has changed in master in same places your patch changes stuff [13:43:54] ah [13:44:05] well, I think I've got a conflict [13:44:09] you need to decide which code to keep (probably what's in master, maybe not) and resolved the differences [13:44:12] resolve [13:44:19] :( [13:44:32] Merge conflict in repo/includes/specials/SpecialSetEntity.php [13:44:57] then it will have markers like <<<<<< HEAD [13:45:05] the file has those [13:45:52] so you can tell which part of the code is from master and which is your version [13:50:42] aude: found it :) [13:51:00] ok [13:51:07] aude: which is my code? [13:51:14] before or after ====== [13:51:47] after (bug 43870) new Special:SetSiteLink [13:51:51] and stuff outside of the markers [13:52:10] after it? [13:52:18] and i think after==== [13:52:26] stuff between HEAD and ==== is from master [13:52:55] * aude not sure which code i'd keep [13:53:11] argh, that's so strange [13:53:11] think you know better [13:56:09] aude: I think I got it :) [13:56:29] yay [13:57:21] once you remove the conflict, then.... [13:57:29] git add SpecialSetEntity.php [13:57:34] git rebase --continue [13:57:53] New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 45002) additional experts for jQuery.valueview" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57738 [13:59:54] aude: do you remember when we fixed the SetAliases thing with the tags? [14:00:00] I think that was the problem [14:00:24] hmmmm, ok [14:01:18] aude: the batch tells me to run git rebase --continue [14:01:25] yes [14:01:36] and later git add ... [14:01:38] ? [14:01:49] do git add first [14:02:01] when rebase is done, then git review -R [14:02:08] ah, ok [14:02:09] I see [14:02:13] before doing any more changes on the patch [14:02:58] aude: no need to commit changes? [14:03:22] no [14:03:39] * aude wonders what changes? [14:03:51] the resolving [14:03:55] rebase is instead of commit [14:04:05] k [14:04:08] New patchset: Bene; "(bug 43870) new Special:SetSiteLink" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45574 [14:04:15] yay [14:04:18] :D [14:04:32] oh, I have to update git-review [14:04:48] probably [14:04:57] strange [14:05:04] pip: command not found [14:05:45] hmmmm [14:06:19] aude: I tried to run pip install -U git-review [14:07:57] pip is something extra on top of python (which git-review is coded in) [14:08:04] should be able to install it [14:08:41] http://www.pip-installer.org/en/latest/installing.html ? [14:08:46] probably [14:09:40] böh [14:09:50] I hate installing software :P [14:09:59] :( [14:11:13] <3 python though :P [14:11:28] well, I don't know anything about it ;) [14:14:27] aude: update successfully done :) [14:14:47] :) [14:15:10] what is the next step? [14:15:12] git review is done [14:17:13] benestar: i'm not sure where the patch is in addressing review comments? [14:23:39] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/45574/ [14:23:41] ups [14:23:47] aude: hu? [14:25:25] aude: I deleted a folder -.- [14:25:30] how to get it back? [14:26:21] aude: will the deployment on monday/wednesday have the ability to use the parser function by label instead of id already? [14:26:49] Lydia_WMDE: no [14:26:52] ok [14:26:53] thx [14:27:03] there's stuff in gerrit for that [14:27:06] cool [14:27:24] benestar: git status [14:27:36] I got it "git reset --hard HEAD", right? [14:27:41] that would work [14:28:12] Lydia_WMDE: property label needs to wait until danielK comes back [14:28:26] noted :) [14:47:41] aude: see you later [14:48:16] benestar|afk: k [14:49:01] is there anything known that the wbsetlabel API function doesn't recognize the given summary? [14:49:58] ummm [14:50:09] edit summaries have been kinda broken for a while right now [14:50:50] ok, thank you. [14:50:55] legoktm: it's high priority to get that fixed and being worked on [14:51:02] :) [14:51:03] summaries in general [14:51:04] New review: Henning Snater; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master); V: -1 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57050 [14:57:30] is http://wikidata-dev-repo.wikimedia.de offline? [14:59:04] lbenedix: Empty result... but http 200 [14:59:21] just broken, not offline ;) [14:59:50] huh [15:02:33] i think the dev repo is automated with puppet and git, so not sure i can fix it [15:03:58] * hoo|away is not even part of the wikilabs groups, so he can't look [15:03:59] ;) [15:04:59] ugh, universal language selector is broken :( [15:06:52] aude: you need labs support? I just logged in to the dev machine [15:07:24] Abraham_WMDE: got it [15:07:32] ULS is broken and i can reproduce it on my test wiki [15:07:45] yay -.- [15:08:15] aude: ok [15:08:19] thanks for noticing it broken :) [15:12:54] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/57746/ [15:13:10] soon as it's merged, the dev repo will pull in the latest master next time puppet runs [15:13:56] aude: thx [16:06:48] Change merged: Aude; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57046 [16:07:22] New patchset: Bene; "(bug 43870) new Special:SetSiteLink" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45574 [16:08:36] aude: when will it be merged now? [16:09:36] benestar: needs review again [16:09:45] böh [16:09:49] by whom? [16:10:35] not sure [16:14:59] aude: when label access is enabled it'll be the label in the language of the Wikipedia, right? [16:15:14] Lydia_WMDE: yes [16:15:14] (for the property parser function) [16:15:16] k [16:15:17] thx [16:15:35] can't remember if it's in the specification to allow different languages [16:15:47] lua should allow it [16:15:50] just making sure that it is not just english [16:15:58] i don't think it is needed to allow more [16:16:03] yep [16:20:25] so what happens if the label changes? [16:20:40] since we can't selectively protect... [16:22:58] legoktm: label changes will appear in recent changes and watchlist of the client, for the connected page [16:23:17] no, what happens if the label of the property changes [16:23:25] we don't yet have the ability to track which properties / labels are used in which pages, so not everything will purge automatically [16:23:31] ah, [16:23:44] so if someone vandalizes #property:population to #property:aksdjhfskdjfhds [16:23:52] on Wikidata, not the page text [16:23:59] sorry, i meant editing the label on wikidata [16:24:09] does that mean all the client sites wont work? [16:24:17] oh, in the client? [16:24:27] * legoktm isnt being very clear right now [16:24:29] say [16:24:58] if in the client, (well we don't have look up by label, but when we do), then it will be an empty string [16:25:04] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P9 == sister (in english) [16:25:12] so now if someone vandalizes the english label to be "aksdjfhsdkjhf" [16:25:28] what happens to all the client sites that are calling {{#property:sister}} ? [16:25:41] no automatic purging yet [16:26:23] but it will propagate eventually right? [16:26:34] which means we either need to be able to protect just labels [16:26:39] eventually i think we'd want that [16:26:41] or protect the entire item... [16:27:18] maybe like templates, some higher profile properties could be protected [16:27:32] like if someone edits {{cite}}, that could be bad [16:27:33] 04[6] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:cite [16:27:36] heh [16:27:42] New patchset: Bene; "(bug 43870) new Special:SetSiteLink" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45574 [16:27:49] yeah [16:27:49] or wide-ranging effect, good or bad [16:28:27] on wikipedia the solution was always to protect high-profile images by uploading them locally, but that option isnt possible here [16:28:36] it's a matter of scaling up the change notification to improve the purging.... [16:32:53] New patchset: Bene; "(bug 43870) new Special:SetSiteLink" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45574 [16:51:00] legoktm: or an anti vandal wikidata bot? :P [16:51:08] heh [16:51:20] would / should actually be really easy.. [17:00:06] addshore: how do you imagine such a bot? [17:01:16] you know, the magic smoke and the batteries [17:06:17] where are the templates that render links from string dataytypes located? (e.g https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P214) [17:08:11] benestar: whats legoktm said ;p [17:08:38] oh, sorry [17:08:44] have to ping me :P [17:09:00] i'll have a think after I have fixed my database :) [17:09:28] eg reverting link removals after some time? [17:09:43] legoktm: I now think there were something more like 30,000,000 articles with links in btw [17:10:04] gaaaaaaaaaaah [17:10:36] benestar: there a billion different things to think about :) but I am sure it is possible :) [17:11:04] let's work together ;) [17:11:15] what do you code in? :P [17:11:25] brainfuck or gtfo [17:11:33] * addshore slap Reedy_ [17:13:19] addshore: c#, java, php, javascript, ... [17:13:30] no python (yet) [17:14:45] thatll do :0 [17:15:55] addshore: what do you code in? [17:16:32] wiki work is mainly php, though also do java c# and then also some other ugly thing [17:16:35] *things [17:17:22] nice :) [17:17:34] I am eating now [17:17:36] cu later [17:18:03] seeya! [17:57:09] holy heck, look at the wikidata guage here: https://wikipulse.herokuapp.com/ [17:57:51] greg-g: it's all the time like this [17:58:09] it was only at like 300 yesterday during Pacific daytime [17:58:28] ok, almost everytime [17:58:49] :) [17:59:03] who made this? [17:59:13] is it from Ed Summers? [17:59:27] edsu [17:59:32] on github [17:59:41] hey [17:59:59] oh, hey edsu ! [18:00:02] didn't see you here [18:00:04] I made something like this for enwiki in Hardware: http://www.youtube.com/v/3EgfM_cW-Uo [18:00:40] * lbenedix imagines a wall of hardware meters [18:01:06] lbenedix: it'd be awesome in the WMF offic3e [18:01:08] -3 [18:01:25] greg-g: i started tracking individual wikidata bots a few days ago, mainly to see who to invite to a wikidata bots meeting [18:01:39] edsu: ah, nice, do you have one going? [18:01:49] greg-g: i took a screenshot, unfortunately the stathat group view isn't public [18:01:55] http://inkdroid.org/tmp/wikidata-bots-stathat.png [18:02:05] individual stats can be viewed though like [18:02:33] like here are the stats for LegoBot http://stath.at/sh/SioSBn4CxlSKZEo7 [18:02:38] holy wow [18:02:46] heh [18:02:58] i swear i didnt mean to do that [18:03:01] Sk!dbot - http://stath.at/sh/N2A46koCrvDQA1m2 [18:03:02] :) [18:03:12] legoktm: :-D [18:03:56] right now i have a list of 27 bots that have touched wikidata in the last 3 days [18:04:00] edsu: can you also track page creation? i found out that it created 600k pages in the last 24 hours [18:04:18] legoktm: it could theoretically [18:04:37] that would be interesting to see [18:04:46] it's kind of astonishing how little code there is to collect the stats [18:04:46] edsu: where do you get the editcount from? IRC? [18:04:49] https://gist.github.com/edsu/5293224 [18:05:07] lbenedix: #wikidata.wikipedia irc channel [18:05:16] oh man [18:05:20] that code is so simple [18:05:28] legoktm: crazy right? [18:05:49] stathat accounts are free bew [18:05:52] s/bew/btw/ [18:06:29] and the editcount for wikipulse? [18:06:49] aude: still here? [18:06:51] that uses the same technique, listening to all the irc channels [18:07:05] same for wikistream.inkdroid.org too [18:08:07] ohmygod [18:08:09] thats so cool [18:08:22] any chance i can filter by individual user? [18:08:52] definitely daoble in theory, have a textbox you type a username into? [18:09:04] or ipaddress [18:09:27] yeah, something like that [18:09:47] btw, does the background change for you? [18:09:53] yes [18:09:57] cool [18:10:51] isnt listening to ~40 irc channels generating a lot of traffic on your heroku instance? [18:11:17] does anybody wonna translate this descriptions? https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bot_requests#Gujarati_Wikipedia_:_description_adding [18:11:23] it does [18:11:25] I would like to start the bot... [18:12:46] lbenedix: well it's one connection [18:13:10] lbenedix: so far it has worked ok [18:13:36] lbenedix: sometimes if the app isn't used heroku quietly shuts it down, and then when it is accessed again it starts back up [18:13:48] is it possible to get a little api to get the edits/min via something like ?site=wikidata [18:13:54] lbenedix: so you can't rely on it for rolling statistcs, but it's ok for realtime [18:14:14] lbenedix: it's kind of hiding behind the wikipulse app [18:15:09] lbenedix: http://wikipulse.herokuapp.com/stats/wikidata-wikipedia/60000.json [18:15:23] not really json i guess [18:15:25] :) [18:15:40] nearly json [18:16:16] how often is it updated? [18:16:24] that 60000 is a minute [18:16:42] 60 seconds in milliseconds [18:16:50] the number is updated more often [18:16:58] once a second? [18:17:03] it's updated every time there is an edit [18:18:19] * lbenedix has to order a bunch of panel meters to get his Pediameter-wall [18:19:56] they are more expensive than I thougt [18:21:23] 8$/meter [18:24:38] edsu: du you have an idea about the peak edits/min? [18:49:40] lbenedix: epm on wikidata? [18:50:05] oh, peak.. [19:04:19] aude: poke [19:05:16] [02:05:13 PM] aude signed on at March 29, 2013 9:50:50 PM CDT and has been idle for 1 Hour, 23 Minutes, 19 Seconds [19:06:45] hmm [19:47:35] Pink|afk: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Main_Page#Our_other_.22Main_Page.22 <- poke about that :) [21:25:23] * Romaine noticed a German invasion in Brussels today ;) [21:27:54] schlaaaaaand [21:32:58] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Defining_bureaucrats [21:32:59] go comment! [21:33:06] Lydia_WMDE: probably something for the updates ^ [21:33:32] rschen7754: hah - you're lucky - i am still preparing it :P [21:33:34] will add [21:34:36] thx [21:50:58] Inspired by edsu's wikipulse I dug up my old Pediameter code and made a "Wikidata edits/min" hardware visualization: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPEYt9Vldls [21:52:08] omg [21:52:12] ahaha [21:53:06] 20min ago there was a drop from ~500edits/min to ~200... [21:54:13] the maxlag on enwiki shot up 20 minutes ago [23:53:07] is wikidata loading slowly for anyone else or just me? [23:54:12] seems normal to me [23:54:47] Lydia_WMDE: Intermittently, yes [23:54:48] hmmmm [23:54:48] not good [23:55:29] can you all please keep an eye on it and let me know if this gets worse please? [23:57:18] will do [23:57:18] thx