[00:01:54] it should be possible to represent both [00:02:13] is this that GND entity type nonsense that the Germans get a big boner for? [00:02:18] because that shit is ridiculous brain cancer [00:03:25] the only correct way to deal with that is to tie a big chain around the whole idea, attach a few breezeblocks and chuck it in the ocean with all other formal controlled vocabulary nonsense. [00:04:45] tommorris: I am not sure that is exactly helpful [00:05:47] ignore entity type. it's silly and ridiculous [00:05:50] use instance of [00:07:34] cannot have an instance of "winery" or "vineyard" [00:13:53] sDrewth: why not? [00:18:12] * Jasper_Deng_busy hopes sDrewth got his PM, but imagines sDrewth is in a content, not policy, mood right now [00:18:57] Jasper_Deng_busy: it is morning, it is a non-interpretative time [00:19:16] PiRSquared: because it is not defined [00:19:48] and in some things I get sick of drilling down four more layers to fix one thing [01:13:08] * addshore wonders how much of a slap he would get if he just unblocked someone that is being classed as an LTA on enwiki.. [01:39:55] addshore: {{whale}} [01:39:55] 04[29] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:whale [01:53:30] PiRSquared: whale slap ? :P [01:59:21] yep [02:17:55] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Bulletin_des_administrateurs#Wikimedia_Foundation_elaborates_on_recent_demand_by_French_governmental_agency_to_remove_Wikipedia_content. [02:18:18] sorry [02:45:34] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 45002) jQuery.valueview is now a single Widget using composition rather than inheritance" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57050 [03:01:47] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Moves jQuery.ui.suggester from Wikibase into ValueView extension" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57449 [03:01:57] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 45002) additional experts for jQuery.valueview" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57738 [05:47:46] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "test commit" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58050 [05:48:03] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58050 [06:30:10] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "test commit" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58052 [06:30:29] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58052 [06:34:17] !admin can one please delete a duplicate? [06:34:29] matanya: at your service [06:34:47] hi PinkAmpersand :) thanks. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6039428 should be deleted [06:34:55] it is dup withhttps://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1470293 [06:35:03] then I can merge the conflicts [06:35:19] kk 1 sec [06:35:52] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "test commit" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58054 [06:36:02] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58054 [06:36:30] matanya: {{merged}} [06:36:31] 10[30] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:merged [06:36:54] thanks a lot PinkAmpersand [06:37:01] no problem :) [06:37:21] jsyk, since you're a steward you should feel free to join #wikidata-admin [06:37:52] PinkAmpersand: it is an invite only [06:38:13] * PinkAmpersand invites matanya [06:38:24] thank you [06:38:39] what is the policy for stewards in wikidata? [06:38:54] deletion allowed or disallowed? [06:38:56] [[Wikidata:Administrators]] [06:38:56] 10[31] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Administrators [06:39:22] currently says you can only delete vandalism or spam [06:39:40] though I wasn't involved in the discussion that decided that [06:40:13] oh well. thank you for that too :) [06:40:18] :) [06:41:06] * PinkAmpersand redirects [[WD:Stewards]] to [[Wikidata:Administrators#Other_accounts_with_administrative_access]] [06:41:06] 10[32] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/WD:Stewards13 => [06:41:08] 10[33] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Administrators%23Other_accounts_with_administrative_access [06:43:52] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "test commit" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58055 [06:44:00] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58055 [06:45:29] Lydia_WMDE: around? [06:45:43] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "test" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58055 [07:44:38] New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "Improved docs and code style" [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57409 [07:57:21] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Improved docs and code style" [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57409 [07:58:09] New review: Henning Snater; "InputAutoExpand functionality seems to be broken. Did you forget to attach it to the experts?" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master); V: -1 - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57738 [08:02:50] New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 44228) Exchanging "apply" with "call"" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57073 [08:18:55] Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57073 [08:22:05] New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "(bug 41573) Add entities to watchlist." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/54704 [08:45:20] New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "Get rid of GenericArrayObject usage" [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57347 [08:49:42] DanielK_WMDE: ping [08:56:55] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Add StringFormatter" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57706 [08:57:00] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57706 [09:05:18] New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 44228) Cloning tooltip content" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58065 [09:16:37] New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 44228) Replacing "textContent" with "nodeValue"" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58067 [09:21:44] Abraham_WMDE: hi [09:22:58] DanielK_WMDE: is skype or a short phone call possible ? [09:23:54] Abraham_WMDE: we can sykpe (until the baby wakes up) [09:24:02] DanielK_WMDE: revieeeeeeeeeeew https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/57466/ [09:24:41] JeroenDeDauw: oh, it's only ~2200 lines of changes :P [09:24:55] DanielK_WMDE: exactly [09:25:00] sorry, but i have to get my presentations for tomorrow ready [09:25:09] DanielK_WMDE: its way under 9000 [09:25:28] well, that's something, i guess :P [09:25:31] Abraham_WMDE: now? [09:25:41] DanielK_WMDE: yea [09:27:06] Abraham_WMDE: will try again, somehow skype doesn't want to work [09:28:17] klingelt... [09:30:30] DanielK_WMDE: Hi! I've a question about phase 3: Will queries be static (like SELECT * WHERE id = 1) or it will be possible to put parameters in queries (like SELECT * WHERE id = $1) with $1 set at the call of the query? [09:32:23] Tpt_: they will be static, since they need to be pre-computed and cached. But if the need arises, I can imagine we could have a system of query "templates" that can be used to easily create new queries of a specific type. [09:33:25] DanielK_WMDE: Thanks :-) And an other question: is it possible to add in the API a method getEntityFromID() ? [09:33:43] * Lua API [10:01:38] Tpt_: sorry, was on the phone [10:02:20] Tpt_: getEntityFromID() would be possible, but we would need some way to track which page is using which entity, so we know which pages to purge when the entity changes [10:02:31] this is targeted for phase 3 [10:02:46] until then, you can only access the entity associated with the wikipedia page itself [10:03:29] DanielK_WMDE: Thanks :-) [10:03:31] Is it possible to review https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/56737/ that fix a bug in the lua API? [10:05:10] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "Looks sane to me, but I'm not a Lua expert. This also seems a bit tricky to test." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56737 [10:05:30] Tpt_: put a +1 there. poke us again if that doesn't move forward [10:06:10] DanielK_WMDE: Thanks :-) [10:06:12] And as the change https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/51164/ looks abandoned, do you want I work on it by integrating some code written for https://github.com/Tpt/BasePedia ? [10:06:59] Tpt_: it's not abandoned, but stalled since Anja left the team. It's somethign I was going to pick up this week. [10:07:16] Tpt_: feel free to work on it though [10:07:44] DanielK_WMDE: Ok. I'll try do do some work on it this evening. [10:07:47] Tpt_: note however that you should not modify the RDF mapping, or add to it, without consulting with denny. [10:09:22] DanielK_WMDE: Is there a specification somewhere? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Development/RDF doesn't deals with sitelinks and things like that. [10:14:19] Tpt_: i don't know of any besides that. ask denny what todo about stuff that is missing there. [10:14:48] Tpt_: you can make suggestions in code, of couse, but i suggest to do that in small, separate changes [10:14:57] * DanielK_WMDE is off to lunch [10:15:12] DanielK_WMDE: Ok. Thanks :-) . I'll talk to him before doing anything. [10:15:54] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added IriFormatter" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58069 [10:16:40] Tpt_: you can also ask anja, i think she started to work on something for sitelinks based on skos [10:17:09] DanielK_WMDE: Ok. [10:40:54] Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58069 [10:50:01] are there plans to separate properties that require a source from others like viaf, sudoc, ...? [10:52:38] btw. there could be a tooltip when hovering the statements property [10:57:38] Change merged: Jens Ohlig; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56737 [10:58:18] Change abandoned: Jens Ohlig; "Fixed in Change-Id: I220996203ac88890ea8a2c50193e0932a907ddcd" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57903 [11:28:55] Change restored: Hashar; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32768 [11:28:55] New patchset: Hashar; "jenkins test" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32768 [11:28:55] Change abandoned: Hashar; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32768 [11:29:53] Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58065 [11:29:56] JeroenDeDauw ^^^ DataValues now triggers the jslint job :-] Thank you for the patch [11:33:47] Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58067 [11:51:30] Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57509 [11:55:16] short question: what is the reason there is no birth-date propertie? [11:55:28] or other date-properties [11:59:40] holy shit @ http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:DispatchStats [12:01:35] does that mean that an item edited today will be seen in the wikipedias tomorrow? [12:07:18] can someone tell me how to edit the data type of a property? [12:08:09] you cant [12:08:16] you have to delete it and create a new one unfortunately [12:08:23] sounds like fun [12:08:33] i can delete it for you if you need :) [12:08:39] the test-dataset has strange properties [12:08:44] ah [12:08:56] Atomic weight: Data type: Item [12:10:01] how to I delete a property? [12:10:20] Is there a specialpage for this? [12:10:26] no, its just like normal [12:10:30] hit the delete tab [12:11:21] cant see one: http://lbenedix.monoceres.uberspace.de/screenshots/p8150v1wta_(2013-04-08_14.10.58).png [12:11:55] what userrights do I need? Im in the administrators group [12:13:15] its in the dropdown [12:13:19] the arrow pointing downwards [12:13:56] if you were using the monobook skin, it would be a tab [12:14:03] along with protect [12:14:11] okay [12:14:13] thanks [12:14:40] I think anyone should create a short introducion into wikidata [12:14:45] Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57726 [12:15:30] lbenedix: [[:en:WP:Wikidata]] [12:15:31] 04[34] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/:en:WP:Wikidata [12:15:32] Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57735 [12:18:51] Is this up to date? [12:22:02] reasonably [12:22:08] it doesnt mention phase 2 though [12:22:41] Maybe a screencast would be nice [12:23:27] maybe. [12:35:53] is it possible to remove several langlinks without clicken 10000 times? [12:36:00] clicking [12:36:46] not unless you use a script i guess [12:37:06] deleting the item and recreating it was good enough... [12:43:43] New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "Typo in Selenium test description" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58078 [12:43:58] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Cleanup of DataType related formatting code" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57466 [12:44:31] Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58078 [12:44:41] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Cleanup of DataType related formatting code" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57466 [12:48:55] New review: Aude; "there's no escaping of the parser function output now" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57466 [12:54:42] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Cleanup of DataType related formatting code" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57466 [12:57:49] New review: Aude; "it's not possible to run ValueFormatters tests in the client" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57466 [12:59:12] New review: Aude; "(2 comments)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57466 [13:06:25] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Cleanup of DataType related formatting code" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57466 [13:09:54] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Cleanup of DataType related formatting code" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57466 [13:15:57] New review: Aude; "unrelated to the patch but I get a fatal error when running tests in the repo:" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57466 [13:27:58] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Cleanup of DataType related formatting code" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57466 [13:28:20] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Cleanup of DataType related formatting code" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57466 [13:42:47] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Cleanup of DataType related formatting code" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57466 [13:48:49] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Add registration of formatter argument as being used by Wikibase" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58083 [13:50:10] is there any api where I can get statistics about wikidata? Like the number of edits per time by type (label description, statemend, ...)? [13:50:40] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "make use of assertContainsOnlyInstancesOf" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58084 [13:52:54] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Cleanup of DataType related formatting code" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57466 [13:54:27] Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58083 [14:24:28] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Cleanup of DataType related formatting code" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57466 [14:28:07] is there any api where I can get statistics about wikidata? Like the number of edits per time by type (label description, statemend, ...)? [14:28:19] errr [14:28:21] not really [14:28:44] is it possible to get this stats anyhow? [14:28:50] http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikispecial/EN/draft/TablesWikipediaWIKIDATA.htm [14:28:55] you can stalk the irc feed [14:29:09] but there's no really good way without checking every edit [14:29:42] what is the channel? [14:30:22] irc.wikimedia.org/#wikidata.wikipedia [14:33:04] hmmmm [14:33:08] lots of edits... [14:33:23] https://wikipulse.herokuapp.com/ [14:33:35] weird [14:33:35] we're normally at 500 [14:33:57] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5QHqkztF7Y [14:34:07] > This video is private. [14:34:20] it is a video of my wikidata-meter [14:35:10] oh right [14:35:16] should work now [14:36:02] today at 1am it was at about 1000 [14:36:21] waaaat [14:37:00] to get the stats I want i need to look at ~500 edits to see what part of the item was changed... [14:37:20] most you can check the edit summary i guess [14:37:27] is it possible to add a comment like "label", "desctiption", ...? [14:38:11] I think every edit is a separate request [14:39:05] New review: Daniel Werner; "Not, its there and a dependency of "jquery.valueview.experts.stringvalue"." [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57738 [14:41:28] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 45002) Using the new "ValueView" extension in Wikibase now." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57052 [14:42:01] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 45002) made EntityId data values work with the new jQuery.valueview." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57053 [14:42:09] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Move jQuery.ui.suggester into ValueView extension" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57448 [14:56:14] Danwe_WMDE, Henning_WMDE: can you give me a list of userinterface related bugs? [15:00:28] No, there's no common tag. Sorry. [15:01:40] I heared, that you are kind of responsible for the userinterface... [15:02:24] I deny everything. [15:03:29] I have it in my irc-log [15:03:32] lbenedix: I would ask Danwe_WMDE [15:03:54] i did [15:04:19] lbenedix: Danwe_WMDE wants to know what you are asking [15:04:36] I already know^^ [15:04:44] I'm looking for a list of all userinterface related bugs in bugzilla [15:05:35] and I dont want to look at every single item in the list of >500 bugs... [15:05:49] well, [15:05:54] someone has to tag them all :P [15:06:14] someone is hopefully working on them [15:06:38] I hope this person can give me the list [15:30:52] hello. I begin on wikidata and I have a question: how to merge two items ? [15:32:38] Abaddon1337_: you have to remove the sitelinks from one item, then add them to the other [15:32:44] Abaddon1337_: what do you mean by merge and what items are you talking about? [15:32:48] see also https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Merge [15:33:26] lbenedix: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7370264 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2989719 are the same [15:34:06] and I wish to have the interwiki links correctly linked on wikipedia [15:34:32] delete the link from Q2989719 and add it to Q7370264 [15:34:46] then make a request for deletion of Q2989719 [15:34:54] Abaddon1337_: {{done}}, in the future just follow the instructions at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Merge [15:34:55] How efficient, legoktm! [15:35:19] legoktm: great. Thank you so much [15:35:27] np :) [15:36:32] the nre langlink is not visible on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_converter [15:37:27] a last question : each time an article is renamed on a given wikipedia, are the modifications automatically reported on wikidata ? [15:37:54] Abaddon1337_: right now we have bots that take care of it, but in the future the software will [15:38:01] lbenedix: gotta purge the page [15:38:23] legoktm: ok. thanks [16:21:12] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 45002) made EntityId data values work with the new jQuery.valueview." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57053 [16:21:31] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 45002) additional experts for jQuery.valueview" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57738 [17:15:36] perhaps all of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hydroelectric_power_stations_by_country should get p31 → Q80638 [17:15:36] ? [17:16:19] or not all but ones that has some template [17:16:23] perhaps infobox [17:19:30] Base-w: oh [17:19:33] thats really easy to do [17:19:49] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Tools/Array_properties_gadget [17:21:36] legoktm: perhaps I will try to teach my bot [17:21:45] my bot already does it :) [17:21:49] but i'm not sure in success [17:21:56] you just need to file a request [17:22:14] I dont like to use other bot's service :) [17:22:26] lol [17:22:30] but may be you're right [17:22:41] better file a request now [17:23:03] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 45002) jQuery.valueview is now a single Widget using composition rather than inheritance" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57050 [17:25:02] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Moves jQuery.ui.suggester from Wikibase into ValueView extension" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57449 [17:27:18] PinkAmpersand: i am around now :) [17:27:25] still anything i can help you with? [17:27:46] Change merged: Henning Snater; [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57050 [17:28:08] New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 45002) additional experts for jQuery.valueview" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57738 [17:28:19] Change merged: Henning Snater; [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57738 [17:28:42] Change merged: Henning Snater; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57052 [17:29:09] Change merged: Henning Snater; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57053 [17:30:41] lbenedix: about that list, perhaps Lydia_WMDE knows more. You can search for bugs tagged with JavaScript, I did that sometimes but not always and others didn't, I guess. [17:31:26] legoktm: does it takes pages in Category only or in subcategories too? [17:31:33] I asked Lydia yesterday... she said ask Danwe_WMDE and Henning_WMDE [17:31:39] hmm? [17:31:41] i did not [17:31:48] ah recursion parameter [17:31:50] perhaps [17:31:50] maybe it was hoo [17:31:50] i said someone needs to tag the bugs in bugzilla [17:32:21] and that isn't going to happen anytime soon by anyone on the team because everyone on the team is swamped already, sorry [17:32:41] lbenedix: They wrote most of the client JS, that's the only thing I said about them [17:33:17] s/client JS/repo and lib JS/ [17:33:33] sorry, if I misunderstood... I thougt the people who writes code are responsible for fixing bugs... [17:33:52] What's broken [17:34:06] they are [17:34:13] but that is different from managing the bugs [17:34:32] and tagging them is not a necessity for the team right now [17:34:37] so it doesn't get done [17:34:45] that doesn't mean they don't get fixed [17:34:49] I thougt they might have a list of bugs they work on [17:35:04] scanning this list may be faster than scanning all 500 bugs [17:36:36] the bug reports people plan to work on in that sprint are set to assigned usually [17:37:09] so its not possible to get a list of all UI related bugs without reading all 500? [17:37:34] not right now, no [17:38:31] do you think you will get used to tagging the bugs? [17:40:13] i can bring it up in a few days when we have a all-hands meeting to discuss how we want to do things in the future [17:40:22] but thb i think it is not very likely [17:41:14] isn's the tagging one of the good features of bugzilla? [17:42:27] we could open a bug for tagging the bugs :D [17:43:11] I agree with lbenedix here, we really should get used to tagging bugs [17:44:00] maybe someone could get throug the old bugs as well... [17:44:15] lbenedix: we don't have the resources for that right now [17:44:44] lbenedix: it is a good feature but we did not have any use on the team for tagging the bugs as UI or not [17:44:48] so it isn't done [17:45:01] it's not like we're doing unneeded work for the fun of it ;-) [17:45:24] isnt the userinterface one main point for wikidata? [17:45:24] we're not sitting around waiting for work to pop up suddenly :P [17:45:34] tagging bugs.... needs-volunteer :) [17:45:50] lbenedix: sure - as is the backend [17:45:57] it can't life without either [17:46:01] anyway [17:46:06] the discussion is moot [17:46:10] New bugs should be tagged by the person reporting them. IF that's someone from the team, that person should also tag them [17:46:10] the bugs are not tagged [17:46:46] or the one who is working on the bug could tag it [17:47:18] lbenedix: when the bug is assigned already, what's the big point in tagging them then? [17:47:19] I have no idea how much more work the tagging is [17:47:27] would you rather they spent time on administrativa or actually fix the bug? [17:47:53] managing is not wasting time [17:47:55] it's not a lot of work but it is yet another thing we're asking the developers to do [17:48:03] and we should carefully consider if this is really worth it [17:48:30] I think it would be an interesing point to see if the frontend makes more problems than the backend [17:50:03] i don't think you can infere this from the number of bug reports [17:50:26] starting with that users obviously see more bugs in the UI than in the backend [17:50:41] but users dont use bugzilla [17:50:55] and the number of bug reports is a better benchmark than nothing [17:50:59] some do and so do i for others [17:51:13] it's a misleading one - i consider that worse than nothing [17:51:15] but anyway [17:51:27] i really need to get an announcement out now [17:51:28] sorry [17:51:33] np [17:53:22] i take it WD phase 2 is still coming to enwiki? [17:55:38] Base-w: you need to set the recursive option if you want subcats [18:04:20] rschen7754|away: No [18:04:25] oh ok [18:06:20] New patchset: Henning Snater; "(44228) Handling $.ui.autocomplete's missing original event in IE8" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58116 [18:08:17] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 44228) Handling $.ui.autocomplete's missing original event in IE8" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58116 [18:09:06] Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58116 [18:10:41] rschen7754|away: we need to resolve technical issues with the change notification backlog [18:10:47] ok [18:11:22] deploying more to enwiki won't improve it, but we'll see about scaling it up more [18:11:42] apparently wikidata has more edits happening than english wikipedia :o [18:12:15] lol [18:12:20] bbl [18:12:36] k [18:12:39] aude: lol [18:12:57] * aude loves the bots though :) [18:17:37] erm Base-w [18:17:39] i dont think [18:17:46] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q80638 is the best target [18:18:25] hmm [18:18:31] enwiki doesnt have a specific article [18:19:26] oh crap [18:19:30] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q80638 is an interwiki mess [18:20:01] * hoo wonders whether the candy bowl in the office is empty :P [18:20:19] hoo: focus! [18:20:54] legoktm: Those candies are crucial for the success of Wikidata :P [18:21:06] :P [18:27:54] ah, okay.... why i don't see hoo's widget (not logged in) :) [18:28:05] * aude reviewing the patch [18:28:11] \o/ [18:28:43] only suggestions ... not easy, is see if we can reduce the amount of js dependencies [18:28:49] in a later patch [18:28:55] aude: mhm, why? [18:29:14] first the requirement was to reuse as much existing code :P [18:29:14] it takes quite a few seconds to load the widget on my external hosted wiki [18:29:31] Let me check on WMF [18:29:36] not the fastest hosting in the world, but curious how it will be on test2, for example [18:29:39] ok [18:30:03] * aude in favor of reusing existing code at same time would like it to be more lightweight when possible [18:31:22] aude: 1298ms on enwiki [18:31:41] not so bad [18:31:46] var start = new Date().getTime(); mw.loader.using( 'wbclient.linkItem', function() { console.log( ( new Date().getTime() ) - start ); } ); [18:31:51] :) [18:32:26] I think it's bearable [18:32:33] probably works for now but when we get into more widgets, then some optimization would be nice [18:32:53] like site link widget doesn't need to know about snaks :) [18:32:58] Wikidata repo eg. is rather "slow" as well... [18:33:08] Does it? [18:33:10] * aude nods [18:33:23] hoo: don't think so [18:33:54] It doesn't... the worst part probably is that the wikibase lib JS in itself is such a dependency hell [18:34:05] * aude nods [18:34:23] We only load 2 real wikibase modules and those are the biggest mass [18:34:24] it loads all the data value js files too [18:34:56] Hello [18:35:29] aude: That's already marked as TODO in the lib/ resources [18:35:35] I just learned about Wikidata, seems like a fine addition to the Mediawiki family. But how come there's no property for something as trivial as population? [18:35:51] 'wikibase.store' is a the module with wikibase.RepoApi and a lot of stuff we just don't need [18:36:00] ZeroOne: we don't have all the property types available yet [18:36:15] aude: so we're waiting for "integer"? [18:36:16] numbers being one, since they are more complex with various units and formatting [18:36:19] I guess I can refactor that out easily cutting the load down [18:36:29] ZeroOne: yes [18:36:37] hoo: would be nice [18:39:49] aude: OK. So, I'm guessing it's the same with dates then? [18:40:46] It is, ZeroOne [18:41:09] ZeroOne: yes [18:41:16] There is a list of properties waiting for the creation of its datatype, if you want to see [18:41:33] I came to it after having the same questions :) [18:42:55] [[d:Wikidata:Property_proposal/Pending]] [18:42:55] 10[35] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Pending [18:43:17] Btw, population isn't yet in there, I don't know if it has been commented elsewhere [18:43:45] Obviously it's a must-have property [18:44:18] thanks jem- [18:44:24] Np :) [18:44:58] In which wikis do the infobox properties work, then? In it.wikipedia.org at least. [18:45:40] ZeroOne: http://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/03/27/you-can-have-all-the-data/ [18:45:44] Italian, Hebrew, Hungarian, Russian, Turkish, Ukrainian, Uzbek, Croatian, Bosnian, Serbian and Serbo-Croatian Wikipedias [18:47:03] OK. I wonder how exactly those got picked and why not {insert-your-local-version}? [18:47:20] it, he, hu were the first ones in phase 1 [18:47:28] the others just... asked :) [18:47:57] or are languages that the team understands and can give feedback [18:47:59] in some cases [18:48:12]