[01:04:08] <Ypnypn>	 Does anyone know when Phase III is to be deployed?
[01:11:49] <legoktm>	 No
[01:11:58] <legoktm>	 First we have to do Phase II
[02:18:32] <legoktm>	 oh hey Ajraddatz 
[02:18:41] <Ajraddatz>	 hallo
[02:19:33] <Ajraddatz>	 good idea with the bureaucrat nom btw
[02:19:40] <Ajraddatz>	 You'd probably be a good choice for that.
[02:19:45] <legoktm>	 thanks :)
[02:20:21] <legoktm>	 I was prototyping an anti-link removal bot last night
[02:20:28] <legoktm>	 Except no one was removing links!
[02:20:45] <Ajraddatz>	 I (knowingly) sacrificed any chance I had of being a 'crat with all the discussions I was strongly a part of recently :P
[02:20:52] <Ajraddatz>	 hahaha
[02:20:59] <Ajraddatz>	 the one time there are never any link removals... :P
[02:30:54] <legoktm>	 oh yeah
[02:31:15] <legoktm>	 Ajraddatz: if you have some time (you too Hazard-SJ), a comment at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Bots#Mark_as_policy would be appreciated
[02:44:43] * legoktm  crates up a new item for Hazard-SJ 

[02:44:47] <Riley>	 legoktm: You should have pinged me about that discussion, I wasn't aware it was going on
[02:44:53] <legoktm>	 Oh sorry :/
[02:44:59] <legoktm>	 I linked it on PC
[02:45:09] <legoktm>	 its probably going to go to a full RfC though
[02:46:16] * Hazard-SJ  will look

[02:46:17] <Hazard-SJ>	 soon
[02:50:00] <Riley>	 legoktm: Could you add in that testing is allowed in the bot's userspace? It only mentions "Bots do not need to be approved if they are only making edits in the operator's userspace or the Wikidata sandbox"
[02:50:20] <legoktm>	 i thought that would be obvious, but ok
[02:51:05] <legoktm>	 https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata%3ABots&diff=24640807&oldid=24096496
[02:51:18] <Riley>	 Thanks
[02:51:20] * Riley  was too lazy

[02:51:27] <legoktm>	 lo
[02:51:29] <legoktm>	 l
[02:51:41] <legoktm>	 addshore: ping
[03:09:59] <legoktm>	 omg
[03:10:08] <legoktm>	 we're down to 600k 
[03:10:39] <legoktm>	 woah
[03:10:53] <legoktm>	 the EPM is in single digits
[03:10:59] <Hazard-SJ>	 :O
[03:11:08] <Hazard-SJ>	 How come?
[03:11:17] <legoktm>	 [[WD:STOPTHEBOTS]]
[03:11:18] <AsimovBot>	 10[3] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/WD:STOPTHEBOTS
[03:11:36] * legoktm  takes full credit for the shortcut

[03:15:12] * Hazard-SJ  leaves his bot running :P

[03:15:21] * Moe_Epsilon  slaps Hazard-SJ

[03:15:30] <Moe_Epsilon>	 :p
[03:16:44] * Hazard-SJ  pets Hazard-Bot

[03:32:05] <legoktm>	 is there any way to get an estimate of how many unpatrolled changes we have?
[03:35:36] <legoktm>	 142560
[03:35:39] <legoktm>	 great.
[03:37:34] <Hazard-SJ>	 legoktm: Did you query through the entire recentchanges table?
[03:37:42] <legoktm>	 Yup!
[03:37:47] <legoktm>	 mysql> select count(*) from recentchanges where rc_patrolled=0;
[03:37:50] <legoktm>	 1 row in set (44.13 sec)
[03:37:58] <legoktm>	 12724107 have been patrolled.
[03:38:23] <Hazard-SJ>	 That was fast :O
[03:38:34] <legoktm>	 It's indexed
[03:38:48] <legoktm>	 Now, lets see if we can find the users with the most unpatrolled changes.
[03:39:44] <legoktm>	 mysql> select rc_user_text, count(*) from recentchanges where rc_patrolled=0 group by rc_user_text order by count(*) desc limit 10;
[03:39:48] <legoktm>	 lets see how long that takes :P
[03:40:33] <legoktm>	 wow
[03:40:35] <legoktm>	 not abd
[03:40:36] <legoktm>	 bad
[03:40:36] <legoktm>	 10 rows in set (46.98 sec)
[03:40:45] <legoktm>	 now...
[03:40:52] <legoktm>	 time to autopatrol them all lol
[03:41:43] <Hazard-SJ>	 :P
[03:41:57] <Hazard-SJ>	 legoktm: They better be trusted :P
[03:42:13] <Hazard-SJ>	 And hopefully not IPs
[03:42:25] <legoktm>	 none are IPs
[03:42:32] <Hazard-SJ>	 Good :)
[03:42:50] <legoktm>	 http://dpaste.de/Ee7S5/raw/
[03:43:06] <legoktm>	 getting the first 100 right now
[03:44:02] <legoktm>	 Goal will be to get the number of unpatrolled edits to 0
[03:44:36] <Jasper_Deng>	 that's a cat/mouse game
[03:44:38] <legoktm>	 here are the first hundred http://dpaste.de/YMi3f/raw/
[03:44:42] <Jasper_Deng>	 they show up at an impeccable right
[03:44:44] <Jasper_Deng>	 rate*
[03:45:04] <legoktm>	 so?
[03:45:27] <legoktm>	 I have a script that patrols faster than they can edit ;)
[03:48:19] <legoktm>	 Joostik is {{done}}
[03:48:20] <AsimovBot>	 How efficient, legoktm!
[03:48:35] <Hazard-SJ>	 How efficient, legoktm!
[03:48:40] <Jasper_Deng>	 so AsimovBot is a form of CleverBot?
[03:49:14] <legoktm>	 Nope
[03:49:23] <legoktm>	 Hazard-SJ: :P
[03:49:48] <legoktm>	 Pichpich was already autopatrolled just had a ton of edits left unpatrolled
[03:50:30] <legoktm>	 hmmm
[03:50:32] <legoktm>	 it seems that
[03:50:38] <legoktm>	 not all of these are namespace 0
[03:51:37] <legoktm>	 Heh
[03:51:43] <legoktm>	 {u'patrol': {u'rcid': 14204710, u'ns': 2, u'title': u'User:Pichpich'}}
[03:51:44] <Hazard-SJ>	 lol
[03:51:50] <legoktm>	 That seems silly.
[03:53:04] <legoktm>	 Can we restrict patrolling to ns0 only?
[03:53:48] <Jasper_Deng>	 I don't think that can be done, technically
[03:54:01] * Jasper_Deng  knows legoktm has like a million patches to write

[03:55:23] <legoktm>	 Pichpich is done.
[03:55:38] <legoktm>	 Well if not, I'm going to write a bot that can do that.
[03:56:20] <legoktm>	 mysql> select count(*) from recentchanges where rc_patrolled=0 and rc_namespace!=0;
[03:56:22] <legoktm>	 6403
[04:54:32] <legoktm>	 I'm running a script that will back-patrol all autopatrolled users, and sysops+bots
[04:56:08] <addshore>	 legoktm: pong
[04:56:15] <legoktm>	 yay
[04:56:16] <legoktm>	 ok
[04:56:19] <addshore>	 what? :P
[04:56:25] <addshore>	 its 6am
[04:56:26] <addshore>	 xD
[04:56:32] <legoktm>	 i want to overhaul https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_of_bots
[04:56:43] <addshore>	 okay :P
[04:56:49] <addshore>	 and make it have more info? :O
[04:56:50] <legoktm>	 and i know you were working on then enwiki version :P
[04:56:51] <legoktm>	 yeah
[04:56:55] <legoktm>	 i think the table should have
[04:57:19] <addshore>	 heh, this will be a hell of a lot easier than the en one xD
[04:58:10] <legoktm>	 username (t - c) || operator (t - c) || capabilities (claims, sitelinks, labels, etc) || Link to approval 1,2,3,etc || Extended description by operator in a collapse box if necessary
[04:59:04] <addshore>	 okay :)
[04:59:31] <addshore>	 also legoktm  think i could sneak 50 small bot edits through as a trial? :P
[04:59:35] <rschen7754>	 the table is way out of date
[04:59:44] <addshore>	 rschen7754: that can be fixed :)
[04:59:59] <addshore>	 if anything I will write a script to populate it using the list of bots with flags
[05:00:16] <legoktm>	 addshore: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Legoktm/LOB
[05:00:22] <addshore>	 I had one for en but it is just too hard with hundreds of bots :/
[05:00:38] <addshore>	 haha, nice legoktm ;p
[05:00:55] <legoktm>	 if we set it up early, its much more managable
[05:01:01] <addshore>	 yep
[05:01:08] <addshore>	 ill do it in the next few days :)
[05:02:37] <legoktm>	 great :D
[05:08:31] <addshore>	 so my trial? ;p 50 edits wont make a difference ;p
[05:10:38] <legoktm>	 Oh yeah
[05:10:39] <legoktm>	 Go for it
[05:10:52] <legoktm>	 But if Lydia finds out, it's all your fault.
[05:31:25] <legoktm>	 I'm in the D's right now.
[05:55:51] <legoktm>	 edsu: will your tool count patrol actions as edits when measuring EPM?
[09:13:34] <DanielK_WMDE>	 Denny_WMDE1: please have a look at the mail i just sent to the list
[09:13:41] * DanielK_WMDE  wonders off to clean the flat

[09:17:46] <hashar>	 hey there. Friendly reminder:  Jenkins will down at 3pm (UTC+2) for 2 hours (details http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-April/068312.html )
[09:24:06] <Denny_WMDE1>	 what about adding "making throttle work with wikidata api", DanielK_WMDE ?
[09:27:15] <DanielK_WMDE>	 Denny_WMDE1: of course, that's 47159! sorry i forgot that
[09:33:47] <Amir1_>	 hello is there something like this fro wd clients?
[09:33:49] <Amir1_>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Database_layout
[09:33:52] <Amir1_>	 for
[09:43:41] <aude>	 Denny_WMDE1: DanielK_WMDE shall i just abandon the rate limit thing?
[09:44:07] <Denny_WMDE1>	 aude: for now, yes. it does no good, and I'd rather not see it accidentally merged
[09:44:11] <aude>	 ok
[09:44:24] <Denny_WMDE1>	 once bug 47159 is fixed, we can make this new
[09:44:24] * aude  thinks the limit is unreasonable

[09:44:38] <aude>	 should be less strict
[09:44:58] <Denny_WMDE1>	 agree for humans, disagree for bots
[09:45:50] <aude>	 should just have the ability to throttle via the api
[09:49:34] <Wiki13|Cloud>	 hi, I have a question. Lately I saw a tool with which you could export interwikis in wikicode
[09:49:47] <Wiki13|Cloud>	 does anyone knows what tool that was?
[09:51:47] <Wiki13|Cloud>	 I need to go in a few mins here. will read the answers if I get back home
[09:55:15] <Denny_WMDE1>	 aude: I do not understand
[09:55:20] <Denny_WMDE1>	 all edits go through the API?
[09:55:56] <aude>	 Denny_WMDE1: according to daniel, api does not have throttle?
[09:56:00] <aude>	 do i understand correct?
[09:56:06] <Denny_WMDE1>	 yes, you do
[09:56:08] <Denny_WMDE1>	 that is a bug
[09:59:23] <aude>	 ok, we fix that and then can apply rate limits
[10:30:02] <lbenedix>	 Is it possible to say that the users of Wikidata are experienced Wikipedia users?
[10:30:21] <Reedy>	 Highly likely
[10:30:58] <lbenedix>	 is it possible to prove this assumption?
[10:31:32] <lbenedix>	 look at how many wikipedia edits the average wikidata user have
[10:33:08] <JeroenDeDauw>	 we should just track all traffic from all users
[10:33:14] <JeroenDeDauw>	 oh wait, the NSA is already doing this
[10:34:11] <tommorris>	 I believe Toolserver is already doing that. ;)
[10:34:12] <lbenedix>	 the edits are available, you just have to count them... no need for the NSA
[10:34:42] <lbenedix>	 most of Wikidata edits are made by logged in users
[10:35:59] <lbenedix>	 between 2013-01-01 and 2013-01-25 there were 179623 logged in and 2019 anon edits
[10:36:21] <lbenedix>	 I asked daniel one month ago, if he could give me this information
[10:36:56] <Reedy>	 tommorris: "NSA"
[10:37:33] <lbenedix>	 the NSA is running the Toolserver?
[10:57:36] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Wiki13|Cloud: http://toolserver.org/~legoktm/cgi-bin/wikidata/copypaste.py i think is what you mean
[11:01:50] <Denny_WMDE1>	 lbenedix: I would also be interested in that
[11:02:07] <Denny_WMDE1>	 not sure how to figure that out though
[11:02:12] <Denny_WMDE1>	 aude: yes, correct
[11:02:41] <Denny_WMDE1>	 lbenedix: if they do not use SUL, then we will never now obviously
[11:03:37] <Denny_WMDE1>	 lbenedix: but if they do, it should be possible. I would love to know if Wikidata attracts new editors, takes away attention from the actual Wikipedias, or reactivates dormant editors, etc.
[11:03:43] <lbenedix>	 isn't single user login the default?
[11:03:48] <Denny_WMDE1>	 it is
[11:04:07] <Denny_WMDE1>	 most users on Wikidata should be SUL'ed
[11:04:14] <JeroenDeDauw>	 lbenedix: I sure hope not :p
[11:04:20] <lbenedix>	 is it possible to detect this?
[11:05:20] <Denny_WMDE1>	 JeroenDeDauw: to detect whether a user has another account that is not unified? no, this is not readily possible
[11:05:44] <Denny_WMDE1>	 sorry, this was meant for lbenedix not JeroenDeDauw ^
[11:05:47] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Denny_WMDE1: sorry, I was not commenting on that
[11:05:54] <JeroenDeDauw>	 !nyan
[11:05:54] <wm-bot>	 ~=[,,_,,]:3
[11:07:39] <lbenedix>	 I mean, if it is possible to detect if the account is SUL'd (not sure if this is a valid word) you can first have a look at the number of SUL accounts vs. not SUL Accounts and than have a look at the number of edits in wikipedia and wikidata
[11:07:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Deprecate ValueParser Result interface in favour of throwing ParseException" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58867
[11:08:30] <lbenedix>	 of course it would not be possible to compare this for lbenedix_dewiki and and lbenedix_wikidata
[11:09:16] <Reedy>	 lbenedix: https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=globaluserinfo&guiuser=Reedy&guiprop=groups|merged|unattached
[11:09:57] <lbenedix>	 nice
[11:12:55] <lbenedix>	 but I have no  to have a closer look at this... your "Highly likely" is enough right now
[11:14:19] <Denny_WMDE1>	 Reedy: thx! I didn't know this one
[11:14:38] <Reedy>	 Denny_WMDE1:  * Created on Jan 30, 2010
[11:14:39] * Reedy  grins

[11:15:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Deprecate ValueParser Result interface in favour of throwing ParseException" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58867
[11:21:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Denny Vrandecic; "Stopgap to avoid excessively long string values (backport)" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58871
[11:21:54] <Denny_WMDE1>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58871
[11:21:58] <lbenedix>	 Reedy: why are there so many editcount=0 lines?
[11:22:12] <Denny_WMDE1>	 because the user has an edit count of 0 on the given project
[11:22:21] <Denny_WMDE1>	 reedy never edited the waray waray wikipedia
[11:22:28] <Denny_WMDE1>	 he does not want to share knowledge in that language
[11:22:41] <lbenedix>	 the user Lbenedix has editcount 0 for many wikipedias, but not nearly as much as Reedy
[11:22:41] <lbenedix>	 https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=globaluserinfo&guiuser=Lbenedix&guiprop=groups|merged|unattached&format=json
[11:22:51] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Denny Vrandecic; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58871
[11:22:59] <Reedy>	 I've got an account everywhere!
[11:23:57] <lbenedix>	 I can login to http://ab.wikipedia.org/ as well
[11:24:08] <lbenedix>	 but i never loged in until now
[11:24:26] <lbenedix>	 ahh... now i have an editcount:0 for ab
[11:28:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Remove usage of ValueParser Result interface" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58874
[11:30:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Remove Result interface" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58876
[11:33:28] <lbenedix>	 is it possible to get a list of all users? Something like https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=allusers&format=xml&auprop=editcount%7Cregistration
[11:35:01] <lbenedix>	 aulimit may not be over 500
[11:36:20] <lbenedix>	 just about 400 requests to get the full list...
[11:51:32] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Reedy: hax!
[11:55:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Remove Result interface" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58876
[11:56:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Removed ValueParsers Error interface" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58879
[11:56:53] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Denny_WMDE1: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58871 ... :p
[11:58:25] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58867
[11:58:32] <Denny_WMDE1>	 JeroenDeDauw: yes, sorry. We will put it up for proper implementation soon.
[11:58:46] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58874
[11:59:41] <Sannita>	 Denny_WMDE1: is anyone from the dev available for a question?
[12:00:04] <Sannita>	 it's about a property
[12:01:01] <Denny_WMDE1>	 ask :)
[12:01:19] <Sannita>	 cool :)
[12:03:59] <Sannita>	 :|
[12:04:01] <Sannita>	 sorry, Firefox crashed
[12:04:27] <Sannita>	 Denny_WMDE1: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P396 I need to establish a link to the search engine of the Italian National Library Sistem
[12:04:35] <Sannita>	 how can I do that?
[12:04:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "Autosummary for setClaim (WIP,DNM)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58880
[12:05:03] <Sannita>	 in other words, I'd like to make that property similar to other Authority control properties
[12:08:02] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Denny Vrandecic; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58524
[12:08:48] <Denny_WMDE1>	 Oh, that's not done by the devs, that's done by the community
[12:08:56] <Denny_WMDE1>	 Sannita: ^
[12:09:00] <Sannita>	 ok
[12:09:10] <Sannita>	 that's what I wanted to know, thanks :)
[12:09:11] <Denny_WMDE1>	 i guess this is implemented in common.js or something like that
[12:09:37] <Denny_WMDE1>	 some javascript that is loaded on every page
[12:09:47] <Sannita>	 well, still got to understand WHAT link should I put, 'coz it seems to be huge
[12:09:59] <Sannita>	 anyway thanks :)
[12:12:32] <Denny_WMDE1>	 I haven't found where it comes from yet...
[12:20:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Remove usage of ValueFormatters\Result" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58881
[12:20:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Remove ValueFormatters Result interface" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58882
[12:21:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Remove ValueParsers Result interface" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58876
[12:21:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Remove ValueFormatters Result interface" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58882
[12:21:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Removed ValueParsers Error interface" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58879
[12:21:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Remove usage of ValueFormatters\Result" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58881
[12:25:05] <Denny_WMDE1>	 JeroenDeDauw: I have to suspend reviewing for a bit, need to finish a report
[12:25:25] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58876
[12:25:37] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58882
[12:26:05] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58881
[12:31:12] <hashar>	 Note that Jenkins is going down in roughly half an hour for maintenance
[12:33:40] <siebrand>	 Lydia_WMDE: Hey, hey. https://translatewiki.net/wiki/User:Lydia_Pintscher_%28WMDE%29 has a list with 11 open issues that translators have opened on the i18n and L10n of wikibase. Can you please follow up?
[12:33:47] <siebrand>	 (or ask devs to follow up)
[12:43:02] * JeroenDeDauw  hides

[12:43:27] <JeroenDeDauw>	 siebrand: you should just rage to our UI team :)
[12:44:36] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Denny_WMDE1: can you rage someone else into doing review then? :p
[12:44:54] <siebrand>	 JeroenDeDauw: I have no idea who is responsible for what in Wikidata, and I also see at least one developer abandoning ownership or at least one part recently, so I'm choosing to go through the communication channels laid out...
[12:45:39] <JeroenDeDauw>	 w0t, someone abandoned a codez? o_O
[12:50:13] <Denny_WMDE1>	 JeroenDeDauw: I delegated the raging to Abraham_WMDE, I think he is in general better at that
[12:50:40] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Abraham_WMDE please to rage :)
[12:55:00] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "Please add message documentation when adding new messages. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/I18n#M..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58880
[13:19:37] <Wiki13|Cloud>	 Lydia_WMDE: thx for the link btw (a bit late :p)
[13:49:12] <Lydia_WMDE>	 siebrand: thanks - i'll poke people
[13:49:31] <siebrand>	 Lydia_WMDE: thanks so much. I think it will improve your software.
[13:49:35] <Lydia_WMDE>	 :)
[14:03:51] <johl>	 TobiasG_WMDE, Danwe_WMDE: this might come in handy for dates in the UI http://thechangelog.com/moment-js-is-a-swiss-army-knife-for-dealing-with-time-in-javascript/
[14:58:12] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58531
[14:58:22] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58532
[14:58:59] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58676
[15:01:55] <Lydia_WMDE>	 http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Status_updates/Next <- please add stuff very soon if you still have anything for today's edition
[15:15:19] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58525
[15:15:59] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58701
[15:16:29] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58702
[15:17:26] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58703
[16:01:49] <jeblad>	 Wonder if I should go see Oblivion tonight http://www.cinestar.de/de/kino/berlin-cinestar-original-im-sony-center/kinoprogramm/oblivion1
[16:26:21] <Kizar>	 hi
[16:28:55] <Kizar>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:DispatchStats
[16:30:12] <Kizar>	 how it's possible bpywiki has 1205364 in queue when only has arround 24000
[16:30:17] <Kizar>	 articles
[16:30:23] <Kizar>	 no sense...
[16:33:03] <jeblad>	 changes that isn't coalesced into a single change, and possibly failure to split out site-specific changes in the dispatcher
[16:33:04] <notconfusing>	 What's the latest on the Bot Moratorium? Is there a planned restarting time?
[16:35:06] <jeblad>	 But check the involved code or ask DanielK_WMDE 
[16:36:12] <Denny_WMDE>	 Kizar: those are changes on Wikidata which still have to be dispatched. The filter - does the article exist on the client at all? - only comes in later.
[16:36:45] <Denny_WMDE>	 There is only one queue for all clients, basically, and the changes get filtered when being dispatched, not before
[16:37:53] <Denny_WMDE>	 notconfusing: please please keep the moratorium until we have removed the dispatch lag, and afterwards keep an eye on the dispatch lag. since yesterday we got the dispatch lag from over a million down to under 400,000.
[16:38:04] * greg-g  waves to notconfusing 

[16:38:28] * notconfusing  waves back to greg-g 

[16:39:11] <Denny_WMDE>	 tomorrow the lag should be gone. and after that, the bots should run with some sensible throttle. we checked into implementing a throttle server side, but the existing configuration settings do not apply for the API :-/
[16:39:20] <Denny_WMDE>	 so we currently can only ask: please be nice
[16:39:28] <jeblad>	 Denny_WMDE: the special page is slightly onfusing on when the filtering appears, perhaps it is the column name
[16:39:45] <notconfusing>	 Denny_WMDE, I can be nice. You are referred to average lag, in this page? https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:DispatchStats
[16:39:48] <Denny_WMDE>	 jeblad: the special page is extremely confusing.
[16:40:08] <Denny_WMDE>	 yes, average lag. only the number, not the time
[16:41:08] <Denny_WMDE>	 jeblad: especially because lag time does not mean "until when will it be resolved", but rather "how old is the oldest edit not dispatched yet"
[16:41:33] <Denny_WMDE>	 i am heading off. need food. cheers!
[16:47:22] <Tpt>	 notconfusing: Hi! There is twice the same VIAF id in this item https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q158772 Maybe a bug of your bot?
[16:50:18] <notconfusing>	 Tpt, I think that's a weird edge case, because that was the last edit I made beofre I asked my coworker to turn off my bot comptuer
[16:50:31] <notconfusing>	 now when I got to the office, i opened it and it tried to reedit it
[16:50:55] <notconfusing>	 so its a bug in the fact that my bot behaves weirdly if the os is abruptly put to sleep
[16:52:17] <Tpt>	 notconfusing: Ok, thanks for the explanation and for your amazing bot. :-)
[17:02:01] <legoktm>	 Sannita: thats the AuthorityControl gadget I think.
[17:02:17] <Sannita>	 legoktm: oh, thanks
[18:01:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added DmsCoordinateParser" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58925
[18:01:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added FloatCoordinateParser" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58926
[18:22:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added DmCoordinateParser" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58981
[18:37:42] <legoktm>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47178
[20:44:43] <lbenedix>	 is this edit really made by a human: http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?diff=24720617&oldid=24720606&rcid=24697761
[20:44:50] <lbenedix>	 there are lots of identical ones
[20:45:26] <lbenedix>	 seems not to be a human: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Docu_with_script
[20:45:47] <Moe_Epsilon>	 yes, that's a bot
[20:45:58] <lbenedix>	 but without botflag
[20:46:18] <legoktm>	 umm
[20:46:19] <legoktm>	 its flagged
[20:46:20] <Moe_Epsilon>	 it was approved to be one with a successful RFBot
[20:46:44] <lbenedix>	 on http://wikistream.inkdroid.org/#wiki=wikidata.wikipedia&namespace=all it looked like a human
[20:46:52] <legoktm>	 hmmmmm
[20:46:57] <legoktm>	 lemme check
[20:47:02] <lbenedix>	 but he made about 150 edits/min
[20:47:49] <legoktm>	 i see
[20:47:55] <lbenedix>	 > 400 edits/min right now
[20:47:59] <lbenedix>	 500
[20:48:13] <legoktm>	 gah
[20:48:13] <lbenedix>	 I thougt the bots should not edit for one day
[20:49:23] <legoktm>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Docu_with_script
[20:49:25] <legoktm>	 left him a note
[20:50:27] <lbenedix>	 editcount is going down
[20:50:34] <lbenedix>	 and up again
[20:53:41] <lbenedix>	 I made a little simulation of my hardwaremeter in processing: http://lb.bombenlabor.de/wikidatameter/
[20:54:50] <Moe_Epsilon>	 why are we giving fictional characters a gender property -_-
[20:55:56] <lbenedix>	 why do you give non-fictional characters a gender property?
[20:56:15] <Moe_Epsilon>	 I don't
[21:00:04] <legoktm>	 there was a brief discussion that said we should
[21:01:19] <Moe_Epsilon>	 that's rather silly, but okay
[21:01:33] <legoktm>	 well, whats the alternative?
[21:01:45] <legoktm>	 why shouldnt Jack Bauer be tagged as male?
[21:02:37] <Moe_Epsilon>	 because Jack Bauer doesn't exist in reality
[21:03:58] <legoktm>	 but that doesnt mean he isnt male
[21:04:18] <Moe_Epsilon>	 he's a fictional male
[21:05:37] <legoktm>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:List_of_properties#Fictional_people
[21:06:47] <legoktm>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P21#in_Fiction_and_Myths
[22:44:24] <lbenedix1>	 why are there still bots editing? I thougt they should stop for at least 24h
[22:45:09] <VanishedUser4873>	 not all stopped?
[22:45:18] <VanishedUser4873>	 not all are supposed to stop either.
[22:45:22] <lbenedix1>	 Ra-bot-nik is still running
[22:45:44] <lbenedix1>	 Legobot too
[22:46:07] <VanishedUser4873>	 wat
[22:46:11] <VanishedUser4873>	 i disabled it
[22:46:21] <VanishedUser4873>	 last edit
[22:46:22] <VanishedUser4873>	 (show/hide) 21:05, 11 April 2013 (diff | hist) . . (+2,651)‎ . . m User:Legobot/Dupes ‎ (Bot: Updating list of dupes) (current) [rollback more than 10 edits] 
[22:46:27] <JohnLewis>	 Legobot has stopped most of its functions.
[22:46:35] <VanishedUser4873>	 that was more than 24 hours ago
[22:47:16] <lbenedix1>	 there are more bots making edits: http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&hidepatrolled=0&hidebots=0&hideanons=1
[22:47:30] <lbenedix1>	 or users that have 'bot' in their name ;)
[22:48:32] <lbenedix1>	 interesting, that there is almost no human making edits
[22:49:36] <VanishedUser4873>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Art-top#WD:STOPTHEBOTS
[22:49:46] <VanishedUser4873>	 now, how hard was that.
[22:50:46] <lbenedix1>	 dispatch lag is still > 1 day
[22:51:04] <VanishedUser4873>	 2013-04-12T22:50:04Z,294543,1 day 15 hours and 27 minutes,67EPM
[22:51:09] <VanishedUser4873>	 the time doesnt matter
[22:51:10] <VanishedUser4873>	 number does
[22:51:51] <lbenedix1>	 the time matters for humans, that are editing wikidata
[22:52:14] <lbenedix1>	 If I image I would make an edit and dont see it I would be frustrated
[22:53:07] <VanishedUser4873>	 but it doesnt matter
[22:53:31] <VanishedUser4873>	 once the main count hits 0, the time will be 0 too.
[22:53:47] <lbenedix1>	 bit it is not 0
[22:54:00] <lbenedix1>	 but
[22:54:07] <VanishedUser4873>	 it will be soon/
[22:54:19] <VanishedUser4873>	 https://www.stathat.com/stats/D6QK
[22:55:49] <lbenedix1>	 its about 300000 now and it was 600000 about 8hours ago
[22:56:09] <VanishedUser4873>	 and your point is....?
[22:56:24] <lbenedix1>	 that stopping the bots would speed it up
[22:58:37] <legoktm>	 probably
[23:00:18] <lbenedix1>	 there is nearly no human editor
[23:00:33] <lbenedix1>	 but the humans that are editing would be frustrated
[23:05:15] * Romaine  thinks the bots are already to slow for their tasks outting all interwiki's in

[23:05:48] <Romaine>	 maybe it had been better first completing phase 1 before starting putting stuff for phase 2 in
[23:09:31] <VanishedUser3454>	 qualifiers are coming next week?
[23:10:44] <legoktm>	 they are?
[23:13:25] <legoktm>	 VanishedUser3454: link plox
[23:13:50] <VanishedUser3454>	 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Status_updates/2013_04_12
[23:18:10] <lbenedix1>	 I hope more data types for properties will come soon
[23:18:38] <lbenedix1>	 for example a number type