[06:32:26] Lydia_WMDE: Deletions don't add to dispatch lag right? [07:42:04] legoktm: you mean deleting an item? [07:42:09] yes [07:42:13] i am actually not sure if by now we notify of that [07:42:26] well i've deleted a few thousand in the past hour so I'm assuming not [07:42:35] ok [07:42:43] if the lag seems fine then indeed probably not [08:19:41] Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59043 [10:39:57] Denny_WMDE: average editcount on wikidata: 266 [10:40:11] and dispatch looks good [10:40:24] addshore: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47213 [10:40:31] by editcount I'm not talking about epm this time ;) [10:40:32] lbenedix1: thats because im running a mass-deletion script [10:40:45] epm ~280 [10:41:05] I was talking about the average number of edits per user [10:41:06] that really should be apm-actions per minute [10:41:08] oh [10:41:27] of this users the avg. in enwiki: 4366 [10:41:34] dewiki 3217 [10:41:40] hmmmm [10:41:50] are you excluding bots? [10:41:57] and deflagged bots? [10:41:59] excluding bots with botflag [10:42:12] is there a list of bots without botflag? [10:42:24] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Unflagged_bots [10:42:44] 158 bots withoug botflag??? [10:42:47] wtf [10:42:48] yes [10:43:04] about a quarter are blocked [10:43:18] * lbenedix1 edits his code [10:43:30] Is this list complete? [10:43:43] probably [10:43:58] its as close as you're going to get :P [10:47:34] ohh thanks that is a good list :) [10:48:30] :) [10:51:19] are there edits by this bots? [10:51:38] checked some of them, they are not in my list of all users [10:51:42] with edits [10:52:00] http://lb.bombenlabor.de/ba/users_raw.txt [10:53:09] oh... nice... my little testwiki is the target of spammers [10:53:52] anything I can do about this? [11:00:54] short question about wikibase... is it possible to prevent all editing but wikibase-items? [11:03:56] lbenedix1: sure. you can give editing rights based on namespaces [11:04:09] $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false; $wgGroupPermissions['user']['edit'] = false; $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['edit'] = false; is too much [11:04:51] There is no need to edit articles, but wikibase items should be editable [11:05:46] how to exclude wikibase? [11:10:21] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgNamespaceProtection [11:11:48] Hi. I am not logged in, and the Wikipedia Main Page item has "[edit]" links greyed out, with a tooltip "You are blocked from editing". Not nice. [11:13:07] AVRS: yeah its a known bug [11:13:12] (I am not "blocked") [11:13:18] that protection messages think you're blocked [11:14:39] There is no bug in bugzilla? [11:15:08] let me find it [11:15:28] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45140 [11:16:23] Ah, thanks, I searched in the other component. [11:22:02] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1759675 — the page keeps saying q3909888 is a deleted item. [11:22:39] and the link is to the current page [11:22:42] but the item is not deleted [11:22:59] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3909888 [11:23:05] hmmm [11:23:14] i even removed the claim and re-added it [11:23:54] AVRS: file a bug? [11:24:04] ok [11:24:44] legoktm: WikidataRepo? [11:24:50] yes [11:26:18] Denny_WMDE: can you give me a working configuration that prevents all edits but wikibase-related? [11:27:56] just block all other namespaces but the one where your items are in [11:28:11] i would need to read up the documentation myself on how to do it [11:30:06] AVRS: yes, WikidataRepo. please file the bug. [11:30:09] that's a weird one [11:31:01] filing [11:31:04] I'll ask in #mediawiki [11:31:52] lbenedix: just lock all namespaces with $wgNamespaceProtection [11:31:57] except for properties + ns 0 [11:32:19] I [11:32:40] I'm not a very experienced mediawiki admin... [11:33:18] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47214 [11:50:26] instead of preventing the spam I deleted that testwiki... [11:50:40] lol [11:50:53] fucking spammers [11:51:48] thank god they havn't found the wiki where I really want to make usertests [12:06:01] legoktm: awesome bug report :) [12:06:16] mhm [12:06:25] im working on a dispatch lag throttle calculator [12:11:01] ahaha legoktm :P [12:11:08] as in a page any bot can request? :P [12:11:12] yes [12:11:24] and it simply tells you how much to sleep in between every edit [12:11:33] do you have a url now? [12:11:42] no, still writing it [12:11:55] kk :) tell me when and I'll add it to my code :) [12:15:47] Does "Show Wikidata edits in your watchlist" on Wikipedia work for anyone? [12:17:22] just finished filling my first ACC for en.wiki o_o boy was that terrifying [12:17:26] (there is a checkbox in preferences in each Wikipedia) [12:20:44] Maybe it shows what is used by templates? [12:32:19] addshore: should we keep track of the stalest wiki or average? [12:32:31] avg me thinks [12:32:50] although potentiall stick somethign inthere that makes sure the stalest sint something stupi [12:32:54] *stupid [12:33:30] hmm ok so the basic formula should be [12:36:50] actually [12:36:55] lets think about it like [12:36:56] hmmm [12:38:20] int(EPM / dispatch) * 3 [12:38:25] addshore: ^ [12:38:54] could work :D [12:38:54] bah that only works one way [12:38:59] haha xD [12:39:25] only works if EPM > dispatch [12:39:40] then change ti for when epm < dispatch? ;p [12:44:51] ohh [12:44:59] how about [12:46:03] int(str(EPM*dispatch)[:1]) * 2.5 [12:46:06] lets see how that works [12:47:00] mhm, dispatch is very low now o.o [12:55:29] dispatch should be 0 for human editors [13:01:11] Denny_WMDE: median number of wikidataedits per user: 4 [13:01:41] Denny_WMDE: median number of commons-edits per wikidatauser: 97 [13:31:49] what i wonder is less the median, lbenedix [13:32:03] my question is: does wikidata bring new people to our projects? [13:32:33] so, how many wikidatians had no or little edits on the projects before coming to wikidata [13:32:45] define low [13:32:53] how many edits max [13:33:42] you can check when they joined the other projects [13:33:52] let us take 0 for low [13:34:12] Denny_WMDE: One thing I've noticed is that people who are new to wikimedia sometimes dont create accounts until someone points out to them that they should [13:34:53] there are nearly 0 edits from anon users on wikidata [13:36:03] ummm [13:36:11] thats not true? [13:36:14] there are thousands [13:36:40] compared to the edits by logged-in users its about 0% [13:37:04] between 0% and 1% [13:37:21] i think one reason is that spammers have not figured it out yet how to spam wikidata :P [13:38:01] for three hours now I am trying to sort out a few language links [13:38:07] it is surprisingly hard :) [13:38:51] Denny_WMDE: not at all [13:38:56] its just that all of that is deleted [13:38:58] and not in dumps [13:39:11] no, that's not what I mean [13:39:32] I am trying to do the bible genealogy from adam and eve to noah [13:39:39] just 20 people [13:39:42] * legoktm was talking about the spam [13:40:11] the abusefilter stopping the spam has 4k+ hits [13:40:22] but in some wikis there is one article about "adam and eve", in others "adam" and "eve", the same for cain and able, then there are two lamechs, and the interwiki links are completely confused about them... [13:40:25] ah [13:40:26] ok [13:40:30] sorry, misunderstood [13:40:37] sweet [13:40:47] 4k+ hits per….? [13:40:58] 4k+ his total [13:41:05] we just have all the domains grouped into one filter [13:41:12] ah, ok [13:41:17] some spambots might result in just 1 hit, others might cause 10 [13:42:39] * addshore is rewriting his bot >.< [13:44:34] I see ~500 Users that have no edits in other langs [13:46:10] ~1400 with edits in <=2 langs [13:49:46] Is there something like "Six degrees of Wikipedia" for Wikidata? [13:50:26] I'd like to find items most related to any two items, with some filtering. [13:50:51] Or even to any one item, but not only directly connected. [13:56:16] nothing there yet, but would be interesting to do [14:01:24] Is there a Wikidata-specific description of the files in http://dumps.wikimedia.org/wikidatawiki/latest/ ? [14:01:53] hmm [14:01:55] I guess everything is in the "abstract" file, which is 5.4G and not compressed. [14:02:08] there probably should be a dump of a ll the wb* tables [14:02:18] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data_dumps#Content does not mention abstract [14:02:37] AVRS: what specifically are you looking for? [14:02:54] the content of items themselves are in the standard dump with articles [14:03:11] legoktm: I guess properties (links between items), titles and descriptions. [14:03:26] (is that everything but history?) [14:03:34] (except for article links) [14:04:36] wikidatawiki-latest-pages-articles.xml.bz2 [14:05:08] (do not expect me to make anything out of it; but at least it is strange that a 5.4G XML file is not compressed) [14:05:23] it is weird [14:17:55] can anyone edit http://wikidata.org/wiki/Q10316155 ? I can't edit a thing there, and I do not really get why [14:18:47] ignore abstract [14:19:07] articles is what you are looking for [14:19:32] nope :/ [14:20:21] hum hum. dumb. need to file a bug I guess [14:20:33] ok [14:21:42] * '''Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data.''' Please try again. If it still does not work, try [[Special:UserLogout|logging out]] and logging back in. * [14:21:59] AVRS: where's that? [14:22:12] nm, the link has no "www.", and I am logged in with www [14:22:24] JS is enabled for www [14:22:35] oh Denny_WMDE that was the problem [14:22:39] wfm on www. [14:22:51] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q10316155&diff=25085254&oldid=25085239 [14:22:53] aaahhhh again! [14:23:05] and Firefox asked about a cookie [14:23:10] why isn't that fixed yet?? need to poke someone tomorrow [14:24:50] thanks [14:25:19] anyone here speaking yiddish? [14:25:26] or farsi? [14:26:59] so someone removed the sitelink, and undo doesn't work [14:27:48] because there is already an item with that sitelink [14:28:01] it was a duplicate [14:28:01] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q10921342 [14:28:23] ah, should have read the msg closely thx [14:29:26] Maybe it should say "used by _another_ item, [...]" [14:29:42] i thought it does [14:29:48] it does when you try to add it [14:29:51] maybe not on undo [14:30:42] It didn't say "another", just the number. [14:31:11] ah, ok [14:43:58] is magnus manske around here, and what is his IRC nick? [14:44:52] I don't think he usually comes on IRC [14:50:48] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47217 [14:51:20] thx AVRS [16:09:47] Lydia_WMDE: Hello, Have you recently changed wbsetreferences? [16:09:57] I sent this: [16:10:15] snaks=%7B%22p143%22%3A%20%5B%7B%22datavalue%22%3A%20%7B%22type%22%3A% [16:10:17] 20%22wikibase-entityid%22%2C%20%22value%22%3A%20%7B%22entity-type%22%3A%20%22ite [16:10:18] m%22%2C%20%22numeric-id%22%3A%2048952%7D%7D%2C%20%22property%22%3A%20%22p143%22% [16:10:20] 2C%20%22snaktype%22%3A%20%22value%22%7D%5D%7D&format=json&bot=1&token=c6f87d34ad [16:10:21] 997582642b8bfe565c38f0%2B%5C&statement=q6386939%24A0C463F4-83D8-40D8-9D04-963E73 [16:10:21] legoktm: still struggling with setentity >.< [16:10:23] 90DAD2&action=wbsetreference [16:10:26] and retuns me page ifno [16:10:42] Amir1_: there was no update in the last day that i am aware of [16:10:43] info but the change doesn't save [16:10:45] so shouldn't be [16:11:15] addshore: :( [16:11:40] ahh think i got it [16:11:50] :D [16:12:40] think it is as the rest of my queryies use php so I am trying to parse a jason response using a php parser.. [16:12:46] does anybody know about this? [16:14:54] hmm legoktm not-recognized-array >.< [16:15:00] im sure I have the syntax correct.. [16:15:11] how does php handle json? [16:16:29] perfectly as far as I can tell, will talk in my chan ;p [17:01:45] hello everyone [17:01:47] does anyone know how to use the API for wikidata? [17:03:00] oh wait I found it [17:03:04] I was typing /wiki/ instead of /w [17:03:05] Hi [17:03:20] Yeah, the autogenerated docs are probably the best right now [17:03:27] What specifically are you trying to do? [17:03:45] get a list of interwikis [17:03:57] https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=wbgetentities&ids=q42&format=jsonfm [17:04:09] and if you just want the langlinks [17:04:09] https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=wbgetentities&ids=q42&format=jsonfm&props=sitelinks [17:04:16] yeah I was almost there, once I got past the /wiki/ /w/ distinction [17:04:22] :D [17:06:43] would the fact that it's escaping the quotation mark be a bug here? [17:06:43] https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=wbgetentities&titles=Death_Star&ids=Q8349&props=sitelinks [17:07:04] shouldn't it be \" instead of " [17:07:54] yeah.... [17:08:30] hmm, looks like that's common to Wikimedia APIs, so guess not [17:08:40] same issue here: https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=wbgetentities&titles=Death_Star&ids=Q1375&props=sitelinks [17:09:32] * legoktm isnt sure [17:09:44] but there are bugs everywhere, so report it :) [17:10:00] meh [17:10:09] if it's been working for years, no point in changing it [17:10:14] it might only break some tools downstream [17:24:02] * SannitAway wants TimeValue properties :( [17:24:34] Me too :x [17:28:26] * lbenedix would be happy with a number type for the beginning... [17:30:14] well... [17:48:13] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added DmCoordinateParser" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58981 [17:48:24] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added DmCoordinateParser" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58981 [17:55:38] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added DdCoordinateParser" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59075 [18:03:20] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Remove parsing logic from GeoCoordinateParser and use new format specific parsers" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59076 [18:03:43] legoktm: hello [18:03:43] what's up? [18:03:50] Hi [18:04:02] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Convert explicitly to float" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59077 [18:04:02] Just working on random things :P [18:04:12] If you need help [18:04:15] any kind [18:04:18] tell me [18:04:38] Well, I have a physics midterm on wednesday ;) [18:12:51] legoktm: I'll have thermodynamics mid term tomorrow :( [18:13:04] good luck :D [18:14:32] It's very hard [18:14:40] never mind [18:15:32] is BernsteinBot yours? [18:15:43] legoktm:how many bots you have :D? [18:15:51] Yeah [18:15:55] Plenty :P [18:16:15] http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Database_reports/Popular_items&action=history [18:16:15] this isn't working [18:16:30] Because of replag [18:16:32] It's out-dated [18:16:43] [12:41:23 PM] wikidata replag on z-dat-s6-a is CRITICAL: QUERY CRITICAL: SELECT ts_rc_age() returned 582190.000000 [18:16:51] I can't do anything about it [18:16:59] :( [18:18:20] bbl [19:12:58] errrr [19:12:59] amir [23:15:30] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cite_doi/10.1136.2Fbmj.331.7528.1292-d [23:15:40] does it make sense to have an item for each individual subpage? [23:17:27] sounds like the KML thing [23:17:58] yeah thats what i was thinking