[05:37:19] @seen Denny_WMDE [05:37:20] liangent: Last time I saw Denny_WMDE they were quitting the network with reason: Ping timeout: 268 seconds N/A at 4/26/2013 12:53:20 PM (16:43:59.2529060 ago) [10:10:55] multichill: :D [10:11:05] Hi legoktm, what's up? [10:11:17] I just saw your edits [10:12:41] Yes, I was messing around with merging pages last night so I figured I might as well sign up for adminship [10:13:02] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/BotMultichill seems to be hitting the motherload btw, plenty of new links [10:13:21] nice [10:13:28] are you using the nlwiki or enwiki category? [10:13:46] This is enwiki [10:13:58] oh i should run my creation bot against that category [10:14:03] nlwiki seems to be about exhausted at the moment [10:14:20] I still have 80.000 pages to do at enwp so no rush [10:14:59] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Commons_category_without_a_link_on_Wikidata&pagefrom=1775+In+Denmark%0A1775+in+Denmark#mw-pages <- plenty of useless pages in there [10:15:18] Things like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/123_BC [10:15:33] lolwut [10:15:37] thats an exmpty category [10:16:16] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:BC_year_in_topic is a PITA [10:16:34] It adds the Commons category [10:16:52] ohhhh [10:16:55] :x [10:43:37] can someone explain the two color-properties to me? [10:51:24] the one is P462, that one is clear, it links to an item [10:52:00] but I dont understand P465... its just a string... so "unicorn" is a valid color [10:52:21] but "unicorn" is defenitly not a hex triplet [10:59:35] lbenedix: the software doesnt prevent you from bad data [10:59:41] we can set up an abusefilter to do it though [11:01:22] with the same argument you could explain that number and date-type are not nescessary [11:01:52] just use string... "date of birth": "unicorn" [11:08:04] true [11:08:08] but there are advantages to having them [11:08:22] much more than what outweighs a "hex triplet" datatype [11:08:27] there are advantages having formated strings as well [11:12:31] users could get feedback before they enter bad data [12:05:38] We now have a Pokémon task force! https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Pok%C3%A9mon_task_force [12:45:58] legoktm: Hahahaha, cool :P [12:52:59] I'm gonna propose some pokémon related properties now :P [12:54:15] odder: Thanks for joining. legoktm just pointed out https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Pok%C3%A9mon_task_force [12:54:19] legoktm: Interesting. [12:54:27] Maybe we should start one related to monuments? [12:55:18] do pokémon fit under creative work? [12:55:32] or term? [12:56:10] * legoktm goes with unsorted [12:56:32] odder: Funny, the internet doesn't forget, today I noticed http://www.mail-archive.com/commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org/msg01441.html being linked from a blogpost ;-) [12:57:19] Re: American novelists dramah? [12:57:36] yup [12:59:56] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Unsorted#Pokedex_Number [13:01:08] LOL [13:01:35] I'm trying to think of others :P [13:02:40] multichill: 'monument' is not a valid English name, for a start :-P [13:02:56] Call it cultural heritage [13:03:04] heritage site more likely [13:17:50] multichill: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Cultural_heritage_task_force [13:23:03] odder: Nice, see my update, that should keep us busy for a while ;-) [13:44:37] multichill: yes, indeed :) [13:44:59] where is this mysql db? [13:45:00] though moving 1M+ items might be a bit troublesome [13:46:35] s/item/monuments/ [13:49:12] legoktm: p_erfgoed_p on sql.toolserver.org , [13:49:33] legoktm: See https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Monuments_database for more info [13:50:54] oh, there's a commonscat table too? [13:51:34] yup [13:51:42] A lot of useful data in there [13:55:33] wow, that has a ton of data. [13:57:21] yup, and it's all quite structured so it should be a good source to import things from [14:12:24] * multichill slapps legoktm around for making repo a global [14:12:54] legoktm: Lol, check out the source at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1967620 [14:14:46] multichill: I think http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q358 is fucked up a bit [14:16:44] :-) [14:18:12] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q889487 WTF [14:29:18] Please remind me to steal all your passwords the next WIkimania [14:29:39] (people not using https are a bit careless :P) [14:30:41] :( [14:30:48] why would I use HTPPS on a Wikimedia wiki? [14:30:57] bleh, HTTPS :-/ [14:34:45] legoktm: claimit should probably just have a class where we do everything, not the global stuff [14:35:42] I guess. [14:36:34] someday.... [15:02:12] why is there no link to the wikidata item on wikipedia pages, which have 0 interwiki links? [15:09:47] Guest75864: there is? [15:10:07] legoktm: no [15:10:17] only a link for adding interwikis [15:10:28] but no link to the item on Wikidata [15:14:27] hmm [15:14:54] yeah, it gives you a popup giving you the option to link it to another article if there is one you want to link [15:15:05] but no link to the physical item [15:21:39] seems like an easy enough fix would be if there is only site link, the software could instead render "Edit links" to "Edit links to [[Qxxxx]]" so a link could be present [15:21:40] [5] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Qxxxx [15:21:47] * Moe_Epsilon slaps AsimovBot [15:22:42] only one site link* [15:26:12] Moe_Epsilon: or just add the link to the widget :P [15:30:36] seems kind of redundant to link, for example, an English link on the English page, which links to itself [15:35:16] any de/fr/es speaker wants to give a label for https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q10855271 ? [15:49:12] hey MF-W [15:54:33] !admin [15:54:40] yes? [15:54:43] yes? [15:54:51] no? [15:55:10] let's include former admins :P [15:55:19] ^^ [15:55:21] !fefe [15:55:33] fefe: do you need something? [15:55:56] just kidding :) sorry [15:56:29] :D [15:57:58] is there a wikidata entry which contains a little more data? almost every entry i find through the random link is almost empty [16:00:22] !admin :D [16:00:28] please dont [16:00:34] okay, please don't do that [16:00:35] lol [16:00:41] [[Q159]] [16:00:42] [6] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q159 [16:00:45] i would like to see an ex- [16:00:47] ah [16:01:05] hi NoobOfAbuse :D [16:01:20] thanks [16:01:43] * legoktm actually goes afk now [16:02:55] fefe: most items aren't going to be that detailed, because not every language project has an article for a subject. Some subjects are only covered on one local project, for example [16:02:56] so a lot less data is covered on it [16:03:30] we need more intelligent comuters [16:03:33] +p [16:03:39] who know every language [16:03:47] perfectly [16:04:11] and then we could have detailed articles in every language :D [16:04:34] well, in a perfect world I suppose :P [16:05:04] google translate is about the most intelligent translator there is and even that isn't very good [16:05:35] i didn't get the point of wikidata yet, to be honest. could it also be useful for.. let's say.. geographic data (openstreetmap?) or things like a phone book which could then included in future projects of wikipedia or the like? [18:17:11] hello! [18:17:32] is there a way to find all properties belonging to a certain object... for example all you could use for a city? [18:18:56] No, cause you "can" use all for a city (whether that makes sense is another question) [18:19:45] :-) [18:20:13] I guess it would be helpful to have some lists of common types with their most common properties [18:20:37] for a city I couldn't find a property for inhabitants... probably it doesn't exist yet, but I'm not sure also [18:22:02] it doesnt [18:22:07] because we dont have a number datatype yet [18:22:44] and creating new properties is only for superusers ;-) [18:23:37] edoderoo: yeah, for property superusers [18:23:50] we even have an own user group ^^ [18:24:30] maybe I better wait a year, when WikiData get some better footprint, before I start adding my knowledge too it... there is so much more I could do to share knowledge on just Wikipedia ;-) [18:26:29] edoderoo, there's a list of all properties linked from the main page [18:26:37] & it has some approximate groupings [18:27:14] ah, that's worth to take a look at! [18:53:16] another question... a lot of sporters ... especially tennis players, have data that changes frequently, and/but is used in many languages. I think of earned dollars, win/lose balance, etc. Will this be created in short term? [19:04:29] I'm also interested about tennis players... I have made some drafts here: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Stryn/Sandbox#Phase_II_::_Tennis_player_infoboxes [19:05:45] nice [19:12:55] on the dutch wikipedia there are 4 people full time busy keeping all these players updated ... a terrible job ... but when this is done on WikiData, all languages can be updated in one go, which is a true timesaver [19:14:21] volle bak [19:18:17] but basically we need to find a superuser that will create the property for us .. for football manager they already did, but they change only once in four years [19:19:26] Has the property been proposed? [19:19:49] I will do that immediately when I know where I can do so ;-) [19:19:59] [[WD:PP]] [19:19:59] [7] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/WD:PP [19:20:07] thanks... i'll have a look [19:20:15] np :) [19:30:39] I see some very good suggestions already ... ELO rating for chess players is pretty much analog to win/lose balance for tennis players... [19:58:03] Hey :) . [19:58:19] Happy to be back. [20:09:03] ok ... added my first suggestion "careerprizemoney" for tennisplayers. Thanks for bringing this suggestion page to my attention, that was helpful [20:09:38] Stryn: when this gets good support, we'll go for the other fields as well ;-) [20:09:53] edoderoo: its probably best if you just propose them all at once [20:10:05] all at different sections? [20:10:09] yeah [20:10:14] idk how other people do it, but i normally read through one page per day [20:10:22] so it takes a week before i come back to that category [20:10:30] I would like to see property for current and highest rankings [20:10:45] but I don't know how it's possible to do it [20:11:09] Stryn: you can add suggestions at [[WD:PP]] like I just did [20:11:09] [8] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/WD:PP [20:11:13] no, it'll end up on the pending page [20:11:46] I know how to do suggestions, but I don't know how is it possible to implement those :) [20:12:28] When the fields get there, I'll figure out some examples [20:12:33] because rankings are updated every weeks... so who will check that every tennis players rankings are up to date [20:13:02] right now it is done by occasion by volunteers... but only on one language in general [20:13:23] once they get their hands on WikiData, they can do the updates for all languages in one go [20:13:25] yes, I know, I did it on fi-wiki, but I did it alone, so I gave up.. [20:13:42] Stryn: we can have a bot update them [20:13:53] and maybe someone will get a bot to import/update data from the atp-website, for example [20:13:54] most of these things have a website to scrape [20:13:55] yeah, it would be awesome [20:14:23] first step is getting those fields... then to apply them to all the players... then to get them updated [20:15:28] http://api.infostradasports.com/ <-- just need an API key [20:16:18] err Stryn, I'm looking at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Stryn/Sandbox#Phase_II_::_Tennis_player_infoboxes why are height and weight IRIs? [20:18:09] well, it was just a fast draft, not so carefully done... there might be many mistakes [20:18:10] I want to ad a source to [[Q7186]] for place of birth. Why its saveable in english language, but not in german one? Added: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q7186&diff=31835240&oldid=31282882 [20:18:12] [1] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7186 [20:20:10] BenutzerConny: sorry I don't follow? [20:20:54] legoktm: I would add a source for place of birth. So I did via https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q7186&diff=31835240&oldid=31282882 - is this correct in this way? [20:21:59] yeah, seems fine to me [20:22:17] actually [20:22:19] hm [20:22:31] legoktm: Thank you. Second question is: It does not work with german interface - save do not highlight. [20:23:06] Ok, its rendundant, because GND is also as property - but source for the single facts are important, or? [20:23:27] i don't think there is anything wrong with it the way it is [20:23:36] but maybe it should be imported from-->GND [20:23:43] as well as the identifier [20:23:44] im not sure [20:23:57] ok [20:24:01] as far as using german, im not sure. one of the devs would be able to answer, but i think they're all afk [20:24:19] ok, i will add in forum [20:24:23] you should post on the page... [20:24:28] lemme get the link [20:24:34] ok thank you legoktm :D [20:24:53] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Contact_the_development_team [20:25:02] or the german forum [20:34:52] can we use mediawiki parserfunctions with Wikidata properties? [20:35:58] to make the template use another parameter if the wikidata property is not defined [20:39:07] yes [20:39:14] so it would be like [20:39:39] {{#if: {{#property:p31}} | {{#property:p31}} | {{{parameter}}} }} [20:40:09] yes [20:40:22] though,i might recommend against that [20:40:29] mmm [20:41:02] i'd do it the other way around [20:41:07] if the parameter isnt filled [20:41:11] try and pull from wikidata [20:41:22] is for the top-level domains of countries [20:41:30] {{#if: {{{parameter|}}} | {{{parameter}}} | {{#property:p31}} }} [20:41:46] for the equivalent of Infobox Country [20:41:49] ah [20:42:12] and that template is used in some countries not universally recognised [20:42:20] hm [20:42:27] so they don't display the domain [20:42:29] well what we did for enwiki's commons cat is set up tracking categories to check whether the value was equal [20:42:37] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Commons_category_Wikidata_tracking_categories [20:42:46] ► Commons category with local link same as on Wikidata‎ (47,362 C, 139,642 P) [20:42:51] wow [20:43:52] thwiki and nlwiki have both set that up as well [23:09:18] legoktm: Re commons category stats, I'm more worried about Commons category with local link different than on Wikidata‎ (195 C, 5,585 P) ;-) [23:18:17] multichill: Is this about the property? [23:19:48] Hazard-SJ: See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Commons_category_Wikidata_tracking_categories [23:24:01] multichill: That looks like some nice bot work ;) [23:25:19] With some nice template magic so we know what pages/categories to manually check