[01:14:58] hey everyone, quick question: i'm editing the wikidata item for a radio show. there are two main hosts of the show, plus various third hosts that appear once a week; should i add the third hosts as 'presenters' or not? maybe i could add them but attach qualifiers? [01:31:48] cyphase: Hello. If they are also hosts, I believe you should also add them as hosts. [08:18:01] how does it work to rename a category for the interwikis? [08:22:12] ok found out the issue, you cannot have pages with only interwikis anymore.... ? [10:10:59] multichill: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:MusicBrainz_artist#Edit_request_on_28_April_2013:_Check_Wikidata_data [10:11:34] Haha, yes, you can do that with all the authority control templates [10:11:44] :D [10:12:08] I just need to find all the unprotected ones :P [10:12:15] legoktm: you're positive it works? [10:12:33] i counted all the {'s |'s and I think so. [10:12:37] These are really quick wins! [10:13:01] I copy the template and than play around with it and paste the diff [10:13:45] legoktm: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AMusicBrainz_artist&diff=552546915&oldid=428062990 look good? [10:14:09] lemme check a page [10:14:21] yup :D [10:15:29] multichill: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sjabloon:Link_MusicBrainz_artist you just need to rename the categories into dutch [10:16:12] Let's wait an hour and if enwp didn't explode, I'll add it there too [10:17:00] hahah ok [10:22:31] Do we have an authority control task force? This seems to be in scope and a good location to keep track [10:23:44] I don't see one [10:23:45] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Category:Task_forces [10:25:27] legoktm: Something else. We need someone to add claims for all 50 US states.... [10:25:35] what do you mean? [10:25:47] instance of US state? [10:26:15] Like https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q3611008&diff=prev&oldid=32095889 [10:26:59] I think Zolo was working on getting counties in order [10:28:49] Is he adding both state and county? [10:30:03] not sure [10:43:06] legoktm: Can I ask redundant to a question in wd:bots something in look of sources please? [10:43:33] sure, whats up? [10:44:48] What is the sense behind adding in Items Wikipedia boxes as sources? [10:45:52] For example [[Q7186]] the LCCN part. [10:45:53] [2] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7186 [10:46:31] basically it says where the data was imported from [10:46:45] ok, as information. [10:46:49] yeah [10:46:54] its not a "reliable source" [10:46:59] ok [10:47:01] but its better than having nothing there [10:47:05] ok [10:47:35] What is the sense of the ISNI part with the sources? [10:47:53] That is stupid I think. [10:48:18] ISNI, source, ISNI :D [10:48:42] well its the same thing really [10:48:46] ok [10:49:00] if you read in a newspaper article that the ISNI was ____, you would add the newspaper as the source right? [10:49:15] so if you look at the ISNI database and see the number is _____, you would add ISNI as the source [10:49:37] ok, but I thought the first part (property) is allready saying this. [10:50:09] no, the property just says "this is the ISNI number", not where it came from [10:50:16] Ahhh :)) . [10:50:19] Great, thank you. [10:50:38] Is there a information, when reliable sources can be added? [10:51:40] What will happen of the part "where the data is from", when a reliable source get added - can we drop this than? [10:52:23] I don't think there's any reason to remove where the data originally came from [10:52:35] I think most people are waiting for the IRI datatype [10:52:40] because that lets us add URLs [10:52:50] multichill: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:WikidataCheck [10:53:41] I was thinking about that, but I'm not good enough with LUA yet [10:54:05] What if fact in Wikipedia is wrong, can we drop then "where the data is from"? [10:54:17] And the property. [10:56:17] Case by case I mean... [10:56:32] well then yes [10:56:37] and you should also fix it in the wikipedia :P [10:57:08] Great news :) . JESSSS. I have to inform german wikipedia, because they think that sould be reliable sources :D LOLz. [10:57:34] heh [10:59:31] :) [12:06:02] legoktm: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/Popular_properties <- looking at this I wonder how high Commons category will be by the end of this week [12:06:08] 350.000? [12:06:15] :D [12:06:39] the history of that page is very very interesting [12:06:49] you can see exactly when certain bots started running [12:07:14] unfortunately we lost a whole week's updates due to replag [12:07:17] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata%3ADatabase_reports%2FPopular_properties&diff=31723635&oldid=31461957 [13:22:55] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:MusicBrainz_Wikidata_tracking_categories is populating really really slowly [13:33:38] question .... is it forseen that labels will be genderised ? [13:34:05] spouse for instance is neutral in English but it is not in many languages ?? [13:36:00] hm, i dont think thats been brought up yet [13:41:09] So it is a good subject for a blogpost [13:43:58] ?? [13:45:27] i guess [14:04:02] http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2013/04/spouse-does-not-translate.html [14:05:24] is it possible to have lists in Wikidata ? [14:10:01] yes, phase 3 [14:23:32] !admin Please look for [[User:FischBot]], it is now running on labs, if it is malfunctioning please block it. Thanks! [14:23:33] [3] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:FischBot [14:23:44] ok [14:23:48] oh [14:23:52] that was an if [14:24:39] please just IF its malfunctioning, otherwise not ;-) [14:24:53] heheheh [14:25:03] cu [14:25:08] my finger was already hovering over the block button ;) [14:25:25] first block, than ask :p [14:25:48] Hi all. Is the wikidata db "queryable" online? and: can I ask it questions like "give me all german songs written between 1960 and 1969" ? [14:25:57] The primary copy of wikidatawiki_p on Toolserver seems to have a (slowly) decreasing replag \o/ [14:26:27] ggherdov: not yet. once phase III is ready [14:26:39] hoo: the copy on sql-s5 has no lag :) [14:27:41] ok legoktm so by now what can I do w/ it? can I download the raw data, load it in some local db (what? mysql ? virtuoso ?) and query it with my german songs question? [14:28:00] * hoo wonders why they don't make that the default copy then... [14:29:33] ggherdov: well i think Magnus had a queryable version working. You could download the dump and load it into a database [14:31:00] legoktm: ok thank you for the information. What's the format of the data? What kind of database? what's the query language? is Magnus around here in the channel? [14:31:23] well its rather silly actually [14:31:28] its json wrapped in xml [14:31:41] ah ok [14:32:00] http://dumps.wikimedia.org/wikidatawiki/ [14:32:08] legoktm: thanks a lot ! [14:32:13] np :) [16:22:14] new task force! https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Space_task_force [16:22:42] spaaaaaaaace [16:22:43] legoktm: add it to the newsletter? ;-) [16:22:47] and yay space! [16:23:07] sure :D [16:23:11] is that still on meta? [16:23:32] no the page for drafting the next one is on wikidata [16:23:34] sec [16:23:52] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Status_updates/Next [16:24:07] ^ if anyone wants to link that in a good place please do [16:24:23] oh good, you already got the Pokémon task force :D [16:25:02] :P [16:25:05] i didn't add it [16:26:40] Hi Lydia_WMDE, I ran into some encoding problems. Did https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47619 already show up on your radar? [16:27:11] nope [16:30:12] Can you put the bug on it? :-) [16:30:19] Lydia_WMDE: which day does the newsletter usually go out? i forgot [16:30:39] multichill: heh sure [16:30:47] legoktm: friday night usually [16:30:51] ok [19:35:40] multichill: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:WikidataCheck [19:35:47] full luafication [19:35:52] Sven_Manguard: o/ [19:36:04] Hey legoktm [19:36:09] just who I was looking for [19:36:17] you may want to flee now [19:36:22] Uhohs [19:36:27] what's up? [19:37:03] too late. So... I need a tool that will remove a property from every Q item it's used on. You're the best coder I know... so... [19:37:20] Easy, I already wrote that [19:37:26] You want to delete it? [19:37:47] Delete the tool? No, I want to use the tool for a property that's going to get deleted. [19:37:54] * Sven_Manguard knew what you meant [19:37:56] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Properties_for_deletion#Property:P91 [19:38:31] Although I really would like to see more people weigh in there first *cough cough room* [19:38:44] ok, how about you close the discussion with a "delete pending orphanage" and then ill run the script [19:38:59] legoktm: I really would like to see more people weigh in there first [19:39:08] > Please delete or add "Size of penis". <-- I lol'd [19:39:49] Yeah, I saw it as a strawman argument and ignored it [19:41:02] I'm rather split actually [19:41:22] Hm [19:43:48] the legal concerns are obviously important to consider, but I find the argument that it's stigmatizing to be weak. Especially since it had the support of tommorris at the property proposal stage. I have read enough of his blog to know that if he viewed it as a problem, he would have no problem loudly pointing that out :D [19:44:18] not that he speaks for the entire LGBT community, but his voice is still one that carries weight [19:45:23] * Sven_Manguard despite being in the third year of editing, still tends to defer to users that have been around for longer and have achieved a high level of respect [19:45:46] Well I got distracted and more interested in the OSM discussion below [19:45:48] :P [19:46:41] Which side is right? I'm leaning close as keep if nothing changes by tonight [19:55:16] nice legoktm [19:56:38] I just need a lua expert to look it over, and then it should be pretty easy to copy it over to other wikis [19:56:46] all it would need is translating the categories [20:14:32] Caution: Replication lag is high, changes newer than 1 weeks, 1 days, 22 hours, 6 minutes, 3 seconds may not be shown. [20:14:33] This is an issue [20:14:40] I can't check multichill's edits [20:14:53] multichill: how many edits do you have? [20:15:44] https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=dbrepllag&sishowalldb= [20:15:47] There's no replag [20:16:01] Reedy: Our beloved Toolserver is to blame ;) [20:16:05] Ohh [20:16:08] Carry on ;) [20:16:12] Yeah [20:16:19] User table: 1544 [20:16:19] It's weird [20:16:25] How much would the hardware needed to fix that cost? [20:16:30] the rr table is lagged a week [20:16:37] but the one on sql-s5 is fine [20:16:40] s/table/database/ [20:16:47] Revision table: 1556 [20:17:14] so 1500 edits? [20:17:14] > This user has made a total of 1544 edits. [20:17:15] legoktm: They'd just have to switch what wikidatawiki-p.rrdb.toolserver.org points to [20:17:31] hoo: yeah [20:17:39] i just hardcoded sql-s5 in my scripts :P [20:18:23] How much would the hardware needed to fix that cost? [20:18:29] Over 9000 [20:18:31] Well you see. [20:18:35] I would rather donate to toolserver than to the WMF [20:18:38] DaB wrote a pretty nice mail today. [20:18:40] LOL [20:18:47] WMDE is trying to kill it as fast as possible [20:18:48] since I don't trust the way that the WMF spends its money [20:18:57] legoktm: trying and failing [20:19:04] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/toolserver-l/2013-April/005978.html [20:19:11] until Labs can do what toolserver can do, nothing will happen [20:19:14] Sven_Manguard: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/American_Toolserver [20:19:19] you might like that idea [20:20:16] Wow... my Android partly crashed and now the nav. bar at the top is gone :P [20:20:17] All except the part about identifying [20:20:38] there are a ton of people that will refuse, although not all of them will [20:21:17] and I don't trust harej as much as I used to after the whole US meta-org thing debacle [20:21:42] but I digress [20:21:51] Reedy: there's someone in #wikipedia with a fatal error on wikidata [20:22:50] Note to self: Syncing several hundred MiB to an Android device via Wlan isn't a good idea [20:23:40] Note to self: Get an iPhone [20:24:00] legoktm: I doubt you can even connect to an smb share and load data from it with taht :P [20:24:27] why would i want to use a smb share? I can just ssh in to all my computers [20:24:31] s/computers/devices/ [20:25:35] legoktm: Moving files over ssh isn't as comfortable as a mounted device [20:25:40] and it doesn't work with windows [20:26:00] Well get a mac too then. [20:26:07] a Mac?! [20:26:07] sshfs is great [20:26:26] System Information: Model: MacBook Pro (15-inch Mid-2012) • CPU: Intel Core i7-3615QM (8 Threads, 4 Cores) @ 2.30 GHz • Memory: 8.00 GB • Uptime: 5 Days • Load: 22% • OS: Mac OS X 10.8.3 (Mountain Lion) (Build 12D78) [20:26:29] Yes a mac! [20:27:16] legoktm: Long time ago I used http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTPFS [20:27:29] legoktm: i have 20 days uptime on my linux laptop :-p [20:27:31] * rschen7754 only has a 13 inch [20:27:58] inductiveload: I rebooted 5 days ago because of an update. Before that I was at 53 days of uptime [20:28:07] i ran out of battery :-( [20:28:20] awww :( [20:28:23] which is where my laptop fails horribly [20:28:30] hoo: yeah, i love most fs programs [20:28:35] iTunesFS is lovely [20:28:39] as much as iTunes is crap [20:31:16] Sven_Manguard: Edits? [20:31:32] yes, you have 1500 edits on WD [20:31:58] According to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Multichill I have a total of 106K edits and about 1500 of them are on Wikidata [20:43:40] Sven_Manguard: I'm more doing bulk work at the moment. So do some manual edits and than have a bot do the rest [20:44:13] I still supported [20:44:27] Hmm, 323,496 [20:44:45] Oh, right, you have the case of edit-count-titis ? :P [20:45:24] no, edit count is a quick and dirty measurement of time spent on the project. The 'three months' part is more important to me [20:45:44] I also look for contribs in the Wikidata namespace [20:49:44] Ah, ok. I'm wondering if we've met the last Wikimania in DC. If I remember correctly you were at the hackathon and hated photos. Correct Sven? [20:50:12] I don't hate photos, I just hate being photographed. [20:50:17] heh [20:50:29] surprisingly, that sounds like you [20:50:29] I, regretfully, cannot remember you specifically [20:50:38] not surprisingly* [20:52:51] Thanks to Lane the French are now hunting down photos of me and putting them in https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Maarten_Dammers :P [20:54:48] hello i am getting following error [20:54:50] PHP fatal error in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.22wmf2/extensions/Wikibase/repo/includes/content/EntityContentFactory.php line 140: [20:54:50] Argument 1 passed to Wikibase\EntityContentFactory::getTitleForId() must be an instance of Wikibase\EntityId, null given, called in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.22wmf2/extensions/Wikibase/repo/includes/api/SetClaimValue.php on line 84 and defined [20:55:08] when i url request [20:55:10] http://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=wbsetclaimvalue&claim=%22q511968$184F62A1-66BF-4AAA-858E-A42DAE0941D5%22&snaktype=value&value=%225000%22 [20:56:32] "GLAMsterdam" <-- i like the name [21:06:34] can anyone help [21:08:21] legoktm: I think I made that on up :P [21:08:45] sry [21:08:46] or at least decided that would be the name, I was one of the organizers of that event [21:08:51] figured it out [21:08:58] xtra quotes [21:09:06] are causing the problem [21:09:13] thanks [21:09:19] Did you file a bug perpetual? It's a bug! :P [21:09:31] no [21:09:42] Have you ever filed one? [21:09:53] ya about pywikipedia [21:09:57] no about [21:10:00] wikidata [21:10:05] where shud i [21:10:19] At https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=MediaWiki%20extensions you can file a bug [21:10:27] thanks [21:10:58] Component is WikidataClient (?) and you can just fill out all the fields [21:11:22] ok [21:15:19] Component ist WikidataRepo [21:15:36] * is [21:20:34] i named my rollback script "fix_fuckup.py" >.< [21:21:08] legoktm: I got a project called Sledge Hammer! :D [21:21:17] heh, what does that do? [21:22:15] legoktm: Mass delete pages [21:22:23] https://github.com/mariushoch/MediaWiki-Helpers/blob/master/sledgeHammer.js [21:22:27] What's wrong with nuke? [21:22:35] o.O [21:22:36] It only goes back 30days [21:22:39] "more features" [21:22:42] and didn't have NS selection back then [21:23:29] toolserver.org/~hoo/api.php <-- toolserver dependent :( [21:23:45] legoktm: That API would have never made it into core [21:23:57] yeah [21:24:22] If someone really wants it to be running on his own setup he has to make an extension API of that [21:26:21] legoktm: By the time tool labs is there I'm going to port that API framework and then my tools... TS isn't very usable right now [21:26:32] neither is tool labs [21:27:05] I hope they have reasonable DB resource at least [21:27:21] * will have * resources [21:28:27] we'll see i guess [21:28:37] its not like theres going to be a choice [21:29:45] legoktm: Ah, i'm good at bad names too. We have flickr_ripper.py and also something with stripper and sucker in it :P [21:30:10] legoktm: For the first time you could ssh tunnel TSs DB connections into labs and use them if they're better. [21:30:23] Tough I guess they wouldn't like that much :P [21:30:53] that just sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.... [21:31:25] heh [21:43:40] Hello anyone here ? [21:43:54] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6620272 [21:44:35] Migrant: what's up? [21:45:13] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q12171386 and http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q11757988 have both been joined in on the first mentioned so i think these two wikidata-items can be deleted [21:45:32] hello Sven_Manguard [21:46:57] the reason for this was that i created first a new Norwgian one but found later out that there was 2 other earlier created... [21:47:04] both are deleted as duplicates of Q6620272 [21:47:14] thank you for pointing that out :D [21:47:15] thanks [21:50:46] sometimes when i triy to edit links for this wikidata-addingsystem i do get some error message that says in norwegian : En uventet feil oppsto. [21:51:21] triy = try