[02:10:23] Hi. I'm an advanced contributor on Wikipedia-en, but am lost for a place to start contributing on Wikidata. Any pointers to a way to start logging actions? [02:10:49] Hey! [02:11:35] have you read the introduction? [02:11:37] there's also https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Contribute [02:13:38] Hey yourself! And thanks for the link [03:10:40] hi Hazard-SJ [03:10:45] i approved your bot task btw [03:22:48] Hi legoktm, thanks ... I think I'll put that on Labs to run :P [03:22:57] :) [05:32:20] when there is a link to ONLY ONE article in Wikidata, the behaviour should be to link to this WD item and not prompt for a link to another Wikipedia article [05:32:30] is this a requested feature ? [05:34:52] it's been mentioned before, yes [05:43:49] ok now there is a bug for it [05:44:03] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47911 [05:50:34] how can I know that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umays_ibn_Ma%27ad exists in Wikidata ... [06:05:26] ... without this I WILL create duplicates [06:05:58] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Yair_rand/WikidataInfo.js [06:06:02] most of us use that script [06:06:15] also, the software should prevent you from creating an item if it already is used somewhere else [06:07:15] legoktm: the software does not [06:07:28] what do you mean? [06:07:41] it does not because you do not start creating a new item by providing a link to a WIkipedia article [06:07:53] you start by adding a label and a description [06:07:59] no…. [06:08:15] yes [06:08:26] oh [06:08:27] because [06:08:30] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:NewItem [06:08:42] that is why you do [06:09:08] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NewItem&site=enwiki&page=User:Legoktm&label=User:Legoktm [06:09:29] I do not get that [06:09:32] im not sure why those arent default options... [06:09:37] yeah, it has to be supplied by url [06:09:46] no it does not [06:10:43] my URL is what you get when you press new item on the Wikidata wiki [06:11:05] and there is no way that I get anything else [06:11:07] right [06:11:20] if you use the js i linked earlier, then it fills in the fields for you [06:11:30] That is stupid [06:11:33] it is a bug [06:11:48] it should be default behaviour [06:12:17] probably [06:12:24] when there is a link in Wikidata to a wikipedia article ALWAYS edit in Wikidata its attributes [06:12:47] do NOT ask for a second Wikipedia article [06:39:46] who here speaks Spanish? [06:40:11] is "desambiguación de Wikipedia" or "página de desambiguación" the better way of indicating that a page is a Wikipedia disambig page? [06:40:20] Sven: Ignazio and Hahc21 do [06:40:33] (Ignazio can be found in -stewards and -admin) [06:40:51] (well, Hahc21 is a sleep) [08:24:12] how can I know that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umays_ibn_Ma%27ad exists in Wikidata ... [08:24:47] other question is there a list of the "main types" that are used ... do you identify plants ? [08:26:27] GerardM: the best thing to do with the "main types" nonsense is to ignore it as the useless timewasting that it is. [08:26:52] tommorris: the tool by magnus manske relies on it [08:27:18] Yep. But you should still ignore it for the timewasting that it is. [08:27:43] if it is not a person, or it does not know the type you do not get the info associated with it [08:27:44] Trying to fit the world into seven categories is a recipe for failure. [08:28:13] I care particularly for persons [10:14:00] aude: ping [10:29:32] Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/61008 [10:40:27] Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/61563 [10:42:33] New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "Experimental config switcher for WMF Jenkins jobs" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/61379 [11:04:19] aude / Lydia_WMDE: hello [11:17:59] hi Tobi_WMDE [11:18:05] hi liangent [11:19:01] aude: is everything ok regarding the deployment tonight.. [11:19:07] Tobi_WMDE: yes [11:19:12] I've just sent an email too [11:19:19] k [11:20:03] so, wikibase-wmf3 will be deployed when they update to wmf3 tonight? [11:20:18] yes [11:20:25] aude: cool, thx [11:20:30] hopefully no issues this time [11:20:32] any idea when it will start? [11:20:37] 8pm [11:20:49] ok, in that case I'll be online [11:20:53] ok :) [11:21:12] so, see u later [11:21:26] see ya! [11:26:53] aude: denny hasn't shown up yet [11:26:58] you know I had some talk with denny [11:27:18] now I want to seek some confirmation from mentor(s) that they wish to mentor me [11:29:33] liangent: i think he can be a mentor [11:30:16] we'll probably want a co-mentor, so either someone else from our team or maybe from the internationalisation team [11:30:20] what do you think? [11:30:45] hi all [11:31:50] so i just meant to add a "population"-field to Berlin but it seems this property does not exist yet. i noticed that it doesnt exist on all the cities i checked on. so: is this a design-issue? [11:32:02] *design-choice? [11:32:48] nutz_: the data type for that is not available yet [11:32:56] so no property for that yet [11:33:37] aude: ah gotcha. but it's meant to be created? or should one do that .. somehow? [11:33:43] *I [11:35:21] nutz: it will be soon as possible [11:35:23] aude: I guess a mentor from i18n team can give advice in more edge cases I may face [11:35:38] but / though I'm more familiar with mediawiki/i18n than wikidata [11:35:40] aude: okiedokie. well thank you :) [11:36:36] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Pending [11:36:47] liangent: ok [11:36:58] probably someone from the team in addition to denny [11:37:46] I see lots of people from i18n on that possible mentor page [11:37:53] gee.. okay - wikidata will explode once the Number datatype has been added ;) [11:38:05] true [11:38:14] nutz: heh :) [11:39:08] liangent: i'll need to chat with the team to see about the co-mentor, but it'd probably either be [11:39:23] me or jeroen, or could be someone else on the tem [11:39:26] team [11:45:34] alrighty. take care everybody. baibai [12:04:23] Errr [12:04:28] Is Ask reviewed for deployment? [12:06:33] Reedy: it's not needed yet [12:06:47] Right [12:07:01] but think chris, etc. ought to look at it soon [12:07:12] Sure [12:07:21] I wasn't sure as it was mentioned on that email [12:07:29] * aude nods [12:34:34] liangent: hey [12:34:37] wasup? [12:35:56] Lydia_WMDE: aude already answered me [12:36:03] about seeking confirmation from mentors [13:49:29] question for anyone awake with regard to sports clubs, which I have added as 'instance of' but what is the property to name the sport(s)? [13:50:00] Wikidata:List_of_properties#Sports_club doesn't mention it [14:21:49] Why is there a property for brother and sister? [14:22:44] * lbenedix can imagine conflicts with this property [14:23:45] I think "sibling" would create less conflicts [14:31:22] Hello, I had some questions [14:32:52] just ask [14:33:00] Is possible to link a qualifier on a Wikipedia article? [14:33:33] what exactly do you want to do? [14:33:40] similar to a property [14:33:49] Miguillen: with lua, it might be [14:33:53] {{#property:p31}} [14:34:07] not with the parser function [14:34:17] instance of links to a wikidata item [14:34:26] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikibaseClient/Lua [14:34:49] aude [[Module:Wikidata]] [14:34:50] [1] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Module:Wikidata [14:35:07] [[es:Module:Wikidata]] [14:35:08] [2] 10https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:Wikidata [14:35:50] Miguillen: looks like it's marked as a todo there but should be possible [14:37:59] this module only formats the property values. it not recognizes the qualifier and may not link any other item [14:38:20] hmmm [14:39:50] We are two users of the Spanish Wikipedia working on several templates, but we are not experts [14:40:07] [[es:Plantilla:Propiedad]] [14:40:09] [3] 10https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantilla:Propiedad [14:40:12] thanks [14:41:06] we have relied on a module that was in test2 [14:42:06] ok [14:42:18] * aude looks for an item that has a qualifier [14:42:43] and on that module and the template, the system we are trying prefecionar [14:44:13] * aude looking at http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q156329 [14:49:14] aude Is there any example of how you have linked? [14:50:35] i don't think so [14:50:47] i'm experimenting to see if i can find out how to do this [14:53:08] aude: so what should I fill in any "(possible) mentors" fields? [14:53:16] ok [14:55:22] liangent: i would put denny but we'll definitely have a co-mentor in addition [15:13:28] hi [15:16:38] has a group an organisation main type? [15:20:14] Hello! [15:20:54] pragunbhutani: hello [15:21:32] I'm going bug hunting again :) [15:21:59] Pyfisch: do you happen to know of any one that's not very hard to fix> [15:22:00] ? [15:22:20] * Pyfisch has already killed some bugs in my bot [15:23:10] I'll just go at a list of Wikidata bugs then, see if I can find something [15:23:20] pragunbhutani: no, maybe you want to help me with my bot ;-) [15:23:49] Pyfisch: I don't mind! Anything I can look at ? [15:24:59] pragunbhutani: which languages do you speak? maybe you can help me with some parsers for wikipedia templates [15:25:42] Fluently? Only English, Hindi and Punjabi [15:25:59] not very good at reading/writing punjabi though [15:29:51] pragunbhutani: ok something for hindi/punjabi are theire templates for authority control in this wikipedias? or something similar to persondata? [15:31:43] Pyfisch: I don't know, I'll check [15:31:55] I don't use those wikipedias at all [15:34:12] This is hard! Not really used to reading hindi either. [15:34:23] Pyfisch: how do I check? [15:35:12] ok, after my check over interwikis I have not found, maybe theire are no templates like that :/ [15:37:40] I speak these languages fluently but I'm not sure if I'll be able to help you with anything that involves reading/writing [15:37:43] I'm painfully slow [15:40:16] ok thanks [16:19:01] aude: do you think this would be easy to implement? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40810 [16:20:44] pragunbhutani: not easy [16:21:11] needs some discussion how it would be done [16:22:01] hmm [16:22:29] aude: I wonder if I can take a stab at it [16:23:55] or I can look for something simpler [16:24:03] you could but the next step is suggest an approach for implementing it [16:24:07] or get input from denny [16:24:16] i'd pick something else :) [16:27:00] I'll go look [16:33:09] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47726 would be fairly easy, except that it requires setting up the Wikibase Client extension in a second wiki [16:33:25] and connect the client with your test repo [16:35:14] aude: oh cool, I'll do that [16:35:25] I wanted to check out Wikibase Client as well [16:35:29] I'll go set that wiki up [16:36:14] aude this still requires patience [16:36:44] much to do [16:38:14] * pragunbhutani pauses [16:38:30] Miguillen: yes [16:39:20] looks like something that we need add to the lua documentation and can't figure it out right now [16:39:59] aude: Umm, so should I still have a go at it? [16:40:10] pragunbhutani: sure [16:40:15] aude: cool [16:42:15] By adding Lua and simultaneously Wikidata made too much change in a short time [16:45:25] Miguillen: it will take some time to get use to lua, but should make it easier to use wikidata [16:46:46] yes [16:47:25] lua seems faster too [16:51:54] It is more likely that wikitext templates [16:52:43] bucles regex variables [16:53:43] the bad thing is you have to know how to program [17:11:21] Sven_Manguard: Recently we had an IRC discussion in es.wiki and several users agreed to use "desambiguación de Wikipedia" in Wikidata, as "página de desambiguación de Wikipedia" would sound somehow repetitive [17:11:22] desambiguación de Wikipedia it is [17:11:22] Anyway Kizar was there and I think his bot KLBot2 began to make such changes, you could check [17:11:22] Oh, ok then :) [18:18:57] we're updating wikidata [18:19:43] I've been told that یک صفحهٔ ابهام‌زدایی در ویکی‌پدیا is the correct Persian language statement for the tool legoktm, but I have no idea [18:19:50] anyways, I gtgf [18:19:53] gtg* [18:32:41] aude: poke me when done please? [18:33:02] aude: till now everything seems ok with the new version, except localization update.. right? [18:34:33] legoktm: Hi. I can help on Persian translations! :) [18:34:51] ebraminio: :D [18:35:28] is the one in https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Legoktm/disambig.js correct right now? [18:41:52] legoktm: Oh, yes, but "یک صفحهٔ ابهام‌زدایی در ویکی‌پدیا" to make it indefinite (A disambig page on wikipedia) is more correct [18:42:26] ok, will change [18:43:00] Tobi_WMDE: right [18:43:33] ebraminio: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ALegoktm%2Fdisambig.js&diff=33414203&oldid=33379735 [18:43:57] everything is fine, except recent changes has stuff like (→‎wbsetclaim-create:1||1: main type (GND) (P107): geographical feature (Q618123)) [18:44:07] it's an improvement though :) [18:44:12] yea, saw this [18:44:26] also in the qualifiers ui there are messages missing [18:44:30] yes [18:45:18] it's a bit strange, within the qualifiers the "add" is missing completely [18:45:50] don't know if the message changed? [18:45:59] no, should not [18:46:13] but let's wait until the cache refreshed [18:46:30] * aude waits [19:02:45] legoktm: seems code is incomplete currently, do you currently developing it somewhere else? I want to help! [19:05:39] legoktm: I refactored your current code to this http://pastebin.com/dyNWLKvd [19:05:53] Tobi_WMDE: aude: status? [19:06:12] syncing the l10n cache files now [19:06:20] patience [19:06:23] it's being really slow, so not waiting for it to do 1.22wmf2 as there's no point [19:07:09] cool [19:07:30] ebraminio: well the current code works, and im a total javascript noob. can i just replace my code with yours? [19:08:46] legoktm: yes yes! but please test it [19:20:29] legoktm: I mean please check that I didn't break anything (that I don't think so). I also propose using http://jslint.com/ this (I used for sent vesrion), it will make quality of your code far more better! [19:21:09] ok, just got off the phone so ill try it in a bit [19:21:33] i had been using http://www.jshint.com/ but I hadn't bothered to run it for this script since I just wanted to get it working :P [19:23:06] legoktm: Ok. In fact I don't like jshint :P [19:23:14] o.O why not? [19:23:53] legoktm: because jslint is better :P [19:32:24] looks like the localisation update is done [19:32:57] although i still see wikibase-addqualifier so maybe it is not 100% done [19:37:55] still see the wrong messages in the history [19:39:59] Tobi_WMDE: not 100% done yet [19:40:29] ok [19:50:35] still see wikibase-addqualifier [19:50:39] everything else seems okay [19:56:00] aude: hm.. yes. the qualifiers issue is still there [19:57:25] can't reproduce the issue with the extension branch, so assume it's an issue with the cacehs [19:57:28] caches [19:59:02] tests would not have passed with that issue [19:59:48] * aude nods [20:01:24] should we create the message locally to temporarily fix it for now? [20:01:36] that would fix english only [20:01:40] "fix" [20:02:12] better than nothing... [20:03:30] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Wikibase-addqualifier looks correct anyway [20:03:39] hmmm [20:03:53] don't know why the UI is not picking it up [20:04:26] no idea [20:04:28] in german it looks fine [20:04:42] spanish fine [20:05:30] i even see it "en" add qualifier as a fallback for arabic [20:05:42] now back to english, i see it now :o [20:05:45] strange [20:06:12] strange indeed [20:07:31] seems ok now [20:07:45] * aude blames the caches [20:08:01] guilty by default [20:08:25] :) [20:12:00] ok, i'm off then. cu [20:29:09] http://nyanit.com/www.wikidata.org :DDDDDD [20:29:59] :D [20:30:12] :D [20:30:35] Awesome :D [20:33:04] oh god... [20:34:22] addshore: Come on, it is a lovely thing :) [21:55:41] is there a reason the api doesn't seem to allow cross-domain requests? [21:57:38] um, theres some documentation about that here https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Cross-site_requests [21:57:47] i dont really know the specifics on how that works though [21:57:53] hoo|away probably would though [21:58:48] ahh, thanks [22:59:27] New patchset: Wizardist; "(Bug 47732) Chrome blocks API calls to foreign Wikipedia APIs due to insecure protocol" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/61917 [23:11:38] I have problems with a template that ends with a + [23:11:54] o.O? [23:12:00] whats the issue? [23:12:35] I used https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:ItemByTitle?site=nlwiki&page=Sjabloon:Positiekaart+&submit=Zoeken [23:12:55] then he finds the same template instead without the + [23:13:04] (another template [23:13:20] even while Sjabloon:Positiekaart+ exists on Wikidata [23:13:21] when it should find https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q12347575 [23:13:23] hmmm [23:13:29] yes [23:14:02] ok i think its a browser issue [23:14:20] i went to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:ItemByTitle and typed in the title and site and it went to the right item [23:14:26] ah ok [23:14:42] your browser probably interprets the + as a space, so mediawiki trims that into nothing [23:15:27] handy :S [23:15:37] if you try this link [23:15:38] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:ItemByTitle?site=nlwiki&page=Sjabloon:Positiekaart%2B&submit=Zoeken [23:15:40] it should work [23:16:21] it didn't [23:16:27] and still doesn't [23:16:34] whaaaa [23:16:36] it works for me [23:16:40] what browser/OS are you using? [23:16:46] I then also find Sjabloon:Positiekaart and not the + one [23:16:48] FF [23:16:57] hm. I'm using FF too [23:17:10] FF 20.0.1 [23:17:21] on Windows [23:17:30] I'm on OSX, but it shouldnt make a difference [23:19:03] ok thanks for the help [23:23:01] I had no problem with it, and I use Windows 7, same version of FF