[08:56:16] How do you indicate that someone is part of a relgious group (eg sahabah or franciscan) [09:42:01] hello aude [10:38:25] how can i contribute :/? [10:38:32] its interesting to edit in wikidata [10:38:36] but what should i edit. [10:41:50] please tell me how :D [10:42:16] hmm [10:42:28] maybe you could join some taskforce? [10:43:06] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Task_forces [10:44:44] e.g. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Video_games_task_force [10:47:00] he, I want to add commonscats to items on wikidata imported from wikipedia, do I need an extra approval for this? [10:50:47] lazowik thanks [10:51:00] but what am i supposed to do [10:51:15] it depends on the task force you choose [10:51:43] do you know the structure of Wikidata? [10:51:51] I mean statements etc. [10:52:29] can we private? [10:52:36] pm [10:52:37] ? [11:15:46] Pyfisch: Could use the help, what Wikipedia will you be importing from? :-) [12:46:14] https://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikidata [12:46:20] not populated yet [12:47:09] legoktm: why didn't you add the other 2 submissions? [12:47:52] I'm working on it! [12:47:59] oh [12:48:06] stop working! [12:48:16] I need to collect edits :P [12:49:21] {{done}} [12:49:21] How efficient, legoktm! [12:49:31] nah [12:49:35] i missed one? [12:49:37] not efficient [12:49:46] :/ [12:50:11] legoktm: I don't now any {{not done}} submissions [12:50:12] Maybe next time, Vogone! [12:50:19] AsimovBot: ??? [12:50:29] heheh [12:50:30] *know [12:50:32] * legoktm hugs AsimovBot [12:50:37] aww :( [12:50:43] it doesnt hug back [12:50:54] :( [12:55:28] Hi legoktm, what did you submit? [12:55:43] there's a list on my userpage https://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Legoktm :) [12:56:17] Ah, right, I did the same at https://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Multichill ;-) [13:23:04] hey [13:23:08] who's online? [13:23:15] some experienced wdata user? [13:23:36] hi [13:23:37] what's up? [13:23:56] pm? [13:24:10] err, sure [14:13:56] should i write [14:14:05] german with big letter [14:14:08] in the desc [14:38:25] aude: hi [14:39:00] @seenrx Denny.* [14:39:00] Permission denied [14:39:06] @seen Denny_WMDE [14:39:07] liangent: Last time I saw Denny_WMDE they were quitting the network with reason: Ping timeout: 268 seconds N/A at 4/26/2013 12:53:20 PM (8.01:45:46.3622200 ago) [15:17:56] hi there [15:18:19] good afternoon Kozuch [15:18:20] can items be used as a holder for a (referencing) source already? [15:18:49] i just read http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/References_and_sources [15:24:03] That time difference is absolutely useless [15:29:20] when are the various data types needed comming? [15:42:42] how do I add a statement to an item actually??? [15:43:40] ok I see. maybe the little "add" link could be more visible... [16:27:10] legoktm: Spot the bug, both https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Feyenoord and https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorie:Feyenoord say no link, but https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7162724 does have a link [16:28:20] hm [16:28:31] i typed in {{#property:P373}} and previewed it on en and it was blank [16:28:37] and i just purged all 3 pages [16:30:11] file a bug? [16:31:19] I guess so, how to push a change from Wikidata? [16:45:42] hi multichill, http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Commons_Category_usage seems interesting [16:46:49] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q428888 was the example Emw, check the history [16:47:13] ah, i see. i was curious was the user removed that link [16:47:38] The item is about the "Power Mac G4 Cube", but the link was for "Power Mac G4" (minus cube) [16:47:54] i notice that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Mac_G4_Cube doesn't have a commonscat link [16:48:05] https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Power_Mac_G4_Cube [16:48:27] i see [16:49:08] In this case a loose link to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Power_Mac_G4 is better than no link at all, but I understand that people don't like this [16:49:24] So marking them so people can filter this is a good thing [16:49:34] in those cases, would it be feasible to recurse up some taxonomic property like 'subclass of' until the resulting item has a commons category claim? [16:49:59] No, that would create a lot of nonesense links [16:50:31] it seems like it works with Power Mac G4 Cube -- can you give an example of where it would yield nonsense? [16:52:15] No. [16:55:08] Don't have a good example [16:55:35] Hmm. So how would it create a lot of nonsense links? [16:58:15] For one, an article has multiple categories. Which one to pick? [17:00:53] Are there any Wikidata items with multiple Commons categories? How do they pick? [17:03:00] An item shouldn't have multiple links to Commons [17:05:25] legoktm: Can you rerun on https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorie:Wikipedia:Commonscat_zonder_link_op_Wikidata ? Some articles/categories don't seem to exist on Wikidata [17:05:50] sure [17:06:15] they probably have conflicts or something [17:06:16] So I guess the Power Mac G4 Cube problem represents the general case where a Wikidata item does not have a direct mapping to a category on Commons [17:07:43] I guess the problem you describe is where that case above exists, and the item has multiple 'subclass of' claims [17:09:21] (because if the item only had one 'subclass of' claim, the bot managing commonscat links on the article could just recurse up the class tree via 'subclass of' and apply the appropriate Commons category, as with http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q428888) [17:10:33] If an article had no direct Commons category, then presumably linking to any of several higher classes would be better than linking to none [17:11:29] But I think that kind of case you mention would be rare [17:12:30] Ideally, I think an item would have far fewer 'subclass of' claims than it would have categories [17:13:17] 'subclass of' is closer to the name of an article's infobox than its list of categories [17:13:52] Does that address your concern? [17:14:18] Subclass would make much more sense. But this is a different discussion, I started one about the qualifier [17:14:33] This is a simple example on how we could use them in conflict situations [17:14:49] Before we get into the real fun stuff like Palistina and Israel [17:20:42] Are you referring to using 'main article in category' as the qualifier? I think the item with the 'Commons category' claim should be assumed to be the main article in the category. [19:02:03] !admin don't want to ping too many people with this, but could someone add me to the #wikidata-admin list? [19:02:21] Sky2042: don't recognize your name [19:02:32] rschen7754: See my ghost [19:02:34] Sky2042: give me a sec [19:02:43] oh… got it [19:02:45] er, s/ghost/cloak/ [19:02:58] silly me [19:03:13] It's okay, I forgive you. [19:03:17] [02:03:08 PM] -ChanServ- legoktm set flags +AVfiotv on Sky2042. [19:03:44] you just need to do /msg chanserv invite #wikidata-admin to get in [19:04:14] neat. [21:48:13] Wow https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5838665 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7023655 are a nice big freaking mess ;-) [22:18:20] why wikidata doesn't allow to add interwiki to inexisting pages? some categories only contains interwikis [22:20:07] now I have to make fake edits in order to change the interwikis of a renamed category... [22:20:09] see https://cr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Iyiyiw&action=history [22:22:35] er [22:22:39] what are you trying to do? [22:22:59] to update the interwikis for a renamed category on a Wikipedia [22:23:21] so you just edit the sitelink.... [22:23:33] I can't, Wikidata doesn't allow you to add an inexisting page [22:23:51] in the interwikis [22:24:13] wait [22:24:17] if the category is renamed [22:24:20] shouldnt it exist? [22:24:43] no it has been renamed by changing the name at the bottom of articles, not by actually renaming the category page [22:24:53] right but [22:25:01] shouldnt the page for the category exist? [22:25:08] it only contains interwikis [22:25:15] so it doesn't exist until interwikis are added [22:25:43] heh [22:25:44] which is now impossible with wikidata [22:25:47] thats interesting [22:26:05] just create the page with a comment or something then [22:26:11] that's what I did [22:26:32] but I think Wikidata should allow the addition of inexisting pages, for catefories at least [22:26:49] categories* [22:27:12] but if the category doesnt exist, wont it show up as a redlink on the article? i think you should create the category, even if its blank…. [22:27:33] no, it shows up blue if the page exists with interwikis in it [22:28:08] that's how it always been done [22:28:28] yes but [22:28:36] thats because the page physically exists in the page table [22:28:40] because it has content [22:29:03] the only content of those pages are the pages that has the category and the interwikis [22:29:13] nothing to add to the actual pages [22:29:34] tru [22:29:37] true* [22:30:11] before we used to add interwikis in order to make the categories "blue" [22:30:40] now it doesn't work [22:32:02] yeah [22:32:07] thats because they used to be saved in the page text [22:32:14] therefore creating the category [22:32:52] a solution would be for wikidata to allow the addition of an inexisting page for categories and have a bot creating the page with only "blank" [22:33:53] Hm [22:34:19] you can't even create a blank page directly, it only works with a fake edit and by reverting it [22:34:19] Amqui: A category should never be blank, it should be categorized [22:34:28] multichill according to what rule? [22:34:31] I'd love to keep discussing, but I gtg afk, sorry [22:34:39] Common sense? [22:34:44] lol [22:34:51] come and add the categories then ;) [22:35:01] Bot tags them [22:35:07] no they don't [22:35:12] What language? [22:35:19] Cree [22:36:23] Most wikipedia's try to keep https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:UncategorizedCategories empty [22:36:38] "most wikipedias" [22:36:42] not all [22:37:03] It's good habbit adn I got to go too [22:37:13] what category should we add? [22:37:30] especially if we don't have a speaker of the language to tell us the name of the category [22:37:38] It's a tree structure, so the category that's higher up the tree [22:37:38] that's impossible [22:37:48] yes but we don't know the name [22:38:04] until a speaker comes and is interested in contributing for categories [22:38:14] so in the meantime the pages remain uncategorized [22:38:47] In the Dutch Wikipedia we just tag them with {{nocat}} [22:38:47] [1] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:nocat [22:38:55] what works for bigger languages cannot be transported easily to small oens [22:38:56] ones* [22:39:47] we had couples templates like that before [22:40:00] Good luck, with this attitude you'll need it [22:40:01] but I don't think it's a good idea to have template to had warnings written in English [22:40:10] to add* [22:40:25] lol what attitude? [23:13:19] Ohmy. [23:13:26] I think I found a workaround to the lua bug. [23:24:53] omg it works!!! [23:44:14] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Module:WBHacks [23:46:28] mmm, tacos. [23:48:54] son of a [23:49:11] somehow, I get put on the https protocol randomly. [23:49:13] wth is with that [23:50:33] Sky2042: they're gonna force it on us soon [23:50:46] grack [23:50:52] that will break my firefox addon :/ [23:50:59] for quick translations