[01:11:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Deprecated wb.Site functionality related to "global" site ID in JavaScript" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67561
[01:11:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 38201) working counters for multiple SiteLinksEditTool instances" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67572
[01:16:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 38201) Deprecated wb.Site functionality related to "global" site ID in JS" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67561
[01:17:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 38201) Fixed assumption of SiteLinksEditTool of single edit tool per page" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67303
[01:24:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 38201) Temporary solution for tablesorter crash" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67574
[07:58:00] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(bug 38201) Display site-link group specific heading per SiteLinksEditTool in JS" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67308
[07:58:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(bug 38201) Added JS wikibase.getSitesOfGroup" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67393
[07:58:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(bug 38201) Introduction of "allowedSites" option in SiteLinksEditTool" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67394
[07:58:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "Refactoring of SiteIdInterface test" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67559
[07:59:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(bug 38201) working counters for multiple SiteLinksEditTool instances" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67572
[07:59:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "less error prone jQuery.wikibase.siteselector matching character highlighting" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67560
[07:59:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(bug 38201) Deprecated wb.Site functionality related to "global" site ID in JS" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67561
[07:59:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(bug 38201) working counters for multiple SiteLinksEditTool instances" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67572
[11:22:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Liangent; "New LanguageWrapper class" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67453
[12:28:31] <multichill>	 aude: Your git toy is down
[12:28:45] <multichill>	 https://git.wikimedia.org/summary/mediawiki%2Fextensions%2FWikibase -> Service Temporarily Unavailable
[15:28:00] <benestar>	 Reedy: poke
[15:28:11] <Reedy>	 ?
[15:28:56] <benestar>	 want to get some rights on test.wikidata.org ;)
[15:29:15] <benestar>	 pinky said I should ping you
[15:29:53] <benestar>	 I need the bot flag for BeneBot*
[15:30:52] <hoo>	 :D
[15:31:53] <hoo>	 Reedy: Just appoint one/ a few 'crats who can then play house maid :P
[15:32:46] <Reedy>	 What's the rules for that on testwiki? Pretty much anyone that asks/
[15:33:15] <hoo>	 There are rules? :P
[15:33:17] <hoo>	 :D
[15:33:26] <benestar>	 "The Wikidata Test Wiki is for developers to test their code without breaking all of Wikimedia, and blowing the world up." ;)
[15:33:34] <hoo>	 Just kidding, I don't think we should care to much
[15:37:49] <benestar>	 Reedy: is it allowed to create some test items or should the wiki stay unedited?
[15:38:55] <Reedy>	 Seems a bit stupid having a testwiki that you don't use
[15:39:30] <hoo>	 :D Indeed
[15:40:14] <benestar>	 ok, I will create some items :)
[15:59:43] <benestar>	 Reedy: also want to create properties...
[15:59:53] <Reedy>	 Does that need admin
[15:59:53] <Reedy>	 ?
[16:00:02] <benestar>	 no, but propertycreator
[16:00:09] <benestar>	 ;)
[16:00:18] <Reedy>	 I like the IS NOT A COMMUNITY on the front page
[16:00:21] <Reedy>	 Like, just fuck you all!
[16:00:41] <Reedy>	 done
[16:00:43] <benestar>	 thx
[16:34:40] <PinkAmpersand>	 hey, what's our current policy on a genus that only consists of one species? keep them on one item, or separate?
[16:35:23] <PinkAmpersand>	 (i.e., some 'pedias have articles about the species, and some have articles about the genus, but none have them about both)
[16:37:55] <PinkAmpersand>	 Reedy: can we just drop the "property creator" thing? we only have it on the real Wikidata because NewProperty was being misused. not really an issue on test.
[16:40:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "this commit is rather broken" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67611
[16:41:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "this reverts rather broken SiteLink code" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67611
[16:43:45] <hoo>	 That's like a descriptive commit summary
[16:43:46] * hoo  hides

[16:46:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hoo man; "Please let us know, what exactly is broken... and needs to be (manually) rebased." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67611
[16:56:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aude; "uhh, http://wikidata-dev-client.wikimedia.de/wiki/Helium is broken!" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67611
[16:57:03] <aude>	 ok, i can't do any work on master
[16:57:31] <aude>	 data values is broken for me also
[16:57:47] * aude  rages!

[16:58:33] <hoo>	 :P
[16:58:41] <Reedy>	 Jeroen?
[16:59:24] <Reedy>	 "Got rid of MWException in ..."
[16:59:44] <aude>	 i'll see if i can fix just the broken stuff in a new patch
[17:00:00] <hoo>	 Sounds good
[17:00:10] <aude>	 with multiple things broken though, ugh!
[17:00:21] <hoo>	 My client change propagation thing is probably broken now as well
[17:01:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "Fix usage of SimpleSiteLink in PropertyParserFunction" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67612
[17:01:23] <aude>	 more than that one place to fix
[17:01:40] * aude  hoped it easier to revert and then fix correctly

[17:01:55] <aude>	 Fatal error: Class 'DataValues\DataValueObject' not found in /var/www/common/php-1.21wmf7/extensions/DataValues/DataValues/includes/values/GeoCoordinateValue.php on line 33
[17:02:09] * aude  not on wmf7 :)

[17:02:17] <aude>	 should rename my folder
[17:02:49] <hoo>	 And hopefully not on 1.21 either :D
[17:03:00] <aude>	 yep
[17:07:32] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Hoo man; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67612
[17:07:39] <hoo>	 is jenkins down?
[17:07:50] <aude>	 jenkins in on holiday, yes
[17:07:53] <hoo>	 :P
[17:07:56] <aude>	 is on
[17:08:10] <hoo>	 That one was trivial enough for a manual merge
[17:08:14] <aude>	 ok
[17:08:28] * aude  looks at datavalues

[17:22:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "Fix SimpleSiteLink usage and exception in EntityIdPropertyUpdater" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67613
[17:26:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aude; "I get a fatal error because of this patch.  Revert DataValues to before this and it works fine." [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67479
[17:27:12] <aude>	 hoo any idea why https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/67479/ is breaking stuff?
[17:28:48] <hoo>	 mh
[17:30:49] <aude>	 ok, think i see
[17:32:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hoo man; "Minor stuff" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67613
[17:32:54] <aude>	 hmmmm, don't see
[17:36:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "Fix SimpleSiteLink usage and exception in EntityIdPropertyUpdater" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67613
[17:38:22] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Aude; "going through all the site link patches to find issues with simple site link" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67611
[17:41:11] <hoo>	 aude: What did you do to get that class not found fatal?
[17:42:04] <hoo>	 If I do "echo class_exists( 'DataValues\DataValueObject' );" in maintanence/eval.php I get true
[17:42:26] <aude>	 just loading a page in the client
[17:42:36] <aude>	 i also get class exists :/
[17:43:16] <hoo>	 Viewing simple items works for me
[17:43:22] <aude>	 hmmm
[17:43:43] <hoo>	 on DV master
[17:43:47] <hoo>	 weird
[17:44:42] <aude>	 i am on master everything
[17:44:45] <aude>	 pulled everything
[17:45:21] <hoo>	 I'm not on core
[17:45:27] <hoo>	 but that shouldn't be an issue
[17:47:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hoo man; "Looks sane now" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67613
[17:47:17] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Hoo man; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67613
[17:49:52] <hoo>	 aude: What are you using as entry point for DV?
[17:50:09] <hoo>	 DataValues.mw.php wont work
[17:50:39] <aude>	 DataValues.php
[17:51:05] <hoo>	 that's how it should be (and how I'm doing it)... gnah
[17:51:38] <aude>	 echo class_exists( 'DataValues\DataValueObject' );
[17:51:39] <aude>	 1
[17:51:45] <aude>	 true
[17:51:50] <aude>	 in eval.php
[17:59:17] <bene_maeht>	 aude: is it normal that the loading javascript of an item's page always breaks my browser?
[18:00:27] <hoo>	 benestar: ahem... no
[18:00:33] <hoo>	 Which browser/ page?
[18:00:37] <benestar>	 Firefox
[18:00:55] <benestar>	 on all items with more one statement
[18:01:10] <hoo>	 On wikidata.org or git master?
[18:01:17] <benestar>	 FF asks me about three times if it should kill the script
[18:01:19] <benestar>	 on wikidata.org
[18:01:33] <hoo>	 benestar: do you use firebug?
[18:01:38] <benestar>	 yes...
[18:01:42] <hoo>	 and did you try to restart Firefox
[18:01:48] <hoo>	 Don't use firebug then
[18:01:56] <benestar>	 let me try it without
[18:02:00] <hoo>	 That's almost always the issue
[18:02:09] <hoo>	 Disable it and restart FF
[18:02:45] <benestar>	 hoo: thanks, it worked :)
[18:03:21] <hoo>	 You're welcome... Firebug seems to be simply overwhelmed by the mass of JS we use :P
[18:17:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "Fix documentation in Item class" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67614
[18:18:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aude; "https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/67614/ fixes the documentation" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67377
[18:27:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "Fix usage of SimpleSiteLink in info action hook" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67616
[18:29:30] <benestar>	 Tpt_: I have sent a pull request on github ;)
[18:29:39] <benestar>	 full support for references :)
[18:33:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Already done by one of my commit, but I will amend." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67614
[18:37:17] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aude; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67487
[18:43:42] <Tpt_>	 benestar: Thanks! :-) Full reference? I believe that each reference is composed of one or more snaks.
[18:44:10] <benestar>	 well they are treated as several references...
[18:44:19] <benestar>	 there's an array in Statement class
[18:44:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Jenkins down again? >_>" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 2 - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67614
[18:45:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aude; "jenkins is on holiday :(" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67614
[18:45:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67616
[18:46:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fix usage of SimpleSiteLink in info action hook " [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67616
[18:46:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added a space to commit message since gerrit was behaving bugged again and did not allow submitting PS1" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67616
[18:47:11] <Tpt_>	 benestar: Are you sure? In https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntityData/Q7931760.json a reference (ie a child of 'references' list) has more than one snak.
[18:47:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "wtf gerrit..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67616
[18:47:22] <JeroenDeDauw>	 aude: can you merge this? https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/67616/
[18:47:24] <Tpt_>	 benestar: see p570
[18:47:26] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Button is disabled for me
[18:47:48] <aude>	 then it might require rebase
[18:49:02] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aude; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67614
[18:49:26] <aude>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/67616/ can be merged now
[18:51:33] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Hoo man; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67616
[18:51:54] <JeroenDeDauw>	 aude: it also does not show the rebase button
[18:53:29] <hoo>	 It does... maybe you just don't have the rights?
[18:54:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Automatically register all Wikibase Client tests" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67543
[18:55:07] <aude>	 JeroenDeDauw: it had a dependency that is now merged
[18:55:15] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hoo: how can I not have the right for that?!
[18:56:56] <JeroenDeDauw>	 aude: which php version do you have?
[18:57:02] <JeroenDeDauw>	 aude: and how are you loading DataValues?
[18:57:12] <hoo>	 JeroenDeDauw: On your own patch? I guess you can't
[18:57:16] <aude>	 JeroenDeDauw: 5.3.10
[18:57:28] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hoo: Except that it is not mine
[18:57:56] <aude>	 i tried without explicit require_once( "$IP/extensions/DataValues/DataValues.php" ); 
[18:57:59] <aude>	 and with
[18:58:02] <aude>	 doesn't matter
[18:59:12] <aude>	 labs uses the same version of php: 5.3.10
[18:59:42] <JeroenDeDauw>	 aude: does it work on labs?
[19:00:10] * aude  checks

[19:00:23] <JeroenDeDauw>	 aude: tests are running on 5.3 as well... https://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-DataValues/jobs/7888299
[19:00:44] <JeroenDeDauw>	 aude: are the tests working for you? Just the DataValue ones?
[19:01:26] <JeroenDeDauw>	 aude: try running just the DataValues ones - go into the DataValues dir and exec phpunit, or run phpunit with -c and then point to the xml file in the root dir of DataValues
[19:02:12] <benestar>	 Tpt_: I see...
[19:05:02] <Tpt_>	 benestar: I think we should support it in order to don't remove data by mistake.
[19:05:43] <benestar>	 Tpt_: ok, so wait with merging
[19:05:51] <benestar>	 I am writing on the code just now
[19:11:17] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Validator#6 (master - 06c90c3 : jeroendedauw): The build was broken.
[19:11:17] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Validator/compare/f6ec4dc5c002...06c90c361eff
[19:11:17] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Validator/builds/7910109
[19:11:27] <Tpt_>	 benestar: Thanks :-)
[19:12:22] <aude>	 JeroenDeDauw: tests run okay
[19:13:18] <benestar>	 aude: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7931760 at property "date of death"
[19:13:26] <aude>	 though same problem with my test repo and client
[19:13:42] <benestar>	 shouldnt the two "as of" properties in the source be one
[19:13:52] <benestar>	 like if you give two values for a statement?
[19:14:03] <benestar>	 (it's only a test...)
[19:14:15] <aude>	 hmmm
[19:14:24] <aude>	 i think it lets you put multiple
[19:14:42] <benestar>	 yes, but the key should only be displayed once
[19:15:19] <aude>	 seems a good idea
[19:19:36] <JeroenDeDauw>	 aude: so when are you seeing this error then?
[19:19:40] <JeroenDeDauw>	 What code is triggering it?
[19:19:47] <aude>	 on any client or repo page
[19:20:32] <aude>	 i can take a look at my settings and try things different ways
[19:20:42] <aude>	 it should *just* work though
[19:20:51] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Validator#7 (master - 9ae6190 : jeroendedauw): The build is still failing.
[19:20:51] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Validator/compare/06c90c361eff...9ae61901d14d
[19:20:51] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Validator/builds/7910281
[19:22:06] <hoo>	 aude: Do you have a backtrace belonging to the fatal?
[19:22:49] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Validator#8 (master - c7aea25 : jeroendedauw): The build was fixed.
[19:22:49] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Validator/compare/9ae61901d14d...c7aea25be01b
[19:22:49] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Validator/builds/7910325
[19:24:20] <JeroenDeDauw>	 aude: I can view pages on my repo...
[19:25:20] <aude>	 hoo: http://dpaste.com/1220642/
[19:25:29] <aude>	 include_once('/var/www/common/php-1.21wmf7/extensions/DataValues/DataValues/includes/values/GeoCoordinateValue.php') /var/www/common/php-1.21wmf7/extensions/DataValues/DataValues/DataValues.php:58
[19:25:42] * aude  repeat i'm actually on master, not wmf7 :)

[19:25:58] <aude>	 the file exists
[19:26:25] * aude  rages!

[19:27:57] <JeroenDeDauw>	 aude: debug what is going on in the function handed to spl_autoload_register in DataValues.php
[19:28:05] <benestar>	 Tpt_: is it possible to make Snaks having an internal Id ?
[19:28:07] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Likely the issue is there
[19:28:21] <hoo>	 Mhm... sounds unlike, but possible
[19:31:38] <aude>	 i think it could be the order of including files, though i tried putting DataValueObject at the top
[19:31:41] <aude>	 doesn't matter
[19:32:53] <hoo>	 aude: I'd hack the autoload function up to give me debug output in some way
[19:37:21] <benestar>	 ha
[19:37:28] <benestar>	 that's a bug
[19:37:30] <benestar>	 in the api...
[19:38:28] <benestar>	 or it needs a purge
[19:39:46] <benestar>	 aude: might I poke you again?
[19:40:26] <benestar>	 or any other dev
[19:44:05] <aude>	 benestar: not sure it's a bug
[19:44:09] <aude>	 maybe a feature enhancement
[19:44:16] <benestar>	 let me explain, I found another one
[19:44:34] <benestar>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7931760 has three values for "as of" in date of death
[19:44:39] * aude  gives up on the data values for now

[19:44:44] <benestar>	 (source)
[19:44:59] <benestar>	 however, https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntityData/Q7931760 only shows one value
[19:45:05] <benestar>	 that's weird
[19:45:14] <aude>	 oh, i'm not sure entity data fully supports everything yet
[19:46:24] <aude>	 https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=wbgetentities&ids=Q7931760&format=json
[19:46:33] <aude>	 looks like it has everything
[19:46:45] <benestar>	 ok, I see
[19:46:54] <benestar>	 so it is only the special page being wrong
[19:47:12] <aude>	 yes
[19:47:15] <benestar>	 puh
[19:47:20] <aude>	 daniel k is working on it
[19:47:30] * aude  not sure what the outstanding issues are

[19:47:53] <benestar>	 aude: by the way, is there any unique key for a Snak available?
[19:56:05] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Oh wow, this seriously leveled off... http://wikiapiary.com/wiki/Wikidata
[19:56:42] <benestar>	 any dev: returns DataValue::getSortKey an unique key?
[22:40:43] <PinkAmpersand>	 Jasper_Deng: have an interwiki conflict you might like
[22:40:51] <Jasper_Deng>	 show it
[22:41:11] <PinkAmpersand>	 http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framework_.NET / http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_.NET
[22:41:23] <Jasper_Deng>	 lol
[22:41:46] <Jasper_Deng>	 but I'd link the latter if it were a general item of ".NET"
[22:42:26] <PinkAmpersand>	 Jasper_Deng: already dealing with that one :0
[22:42:28] <PinkAmpersand>	 * :)
[22:43:22] <PinkAmpersand>	 that actually involved a true duplicate, since someone had manually redirected a page, leading to 2 items pointing to .NET Framework
[22:43:48] <Jasper_Deng>	 hhm.... maybe such moves should get halted by the software
[22:44:43] <PinkAmpersand>	 well, it's related to the "update repo on page move" bug
[22:45:24] <PinkAmpersand>	 anywho... what do you think? which article makes more sense for http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5289 ? and can http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3767262 be merged anywhere? (note that the Telugu article is marked for deletion, and can be ignored)
[22:46:15] <Jasper_Deng>	 I would say use Framework .NET in Q5289
[22:46:28] <Jasper_Deng>	 b/c .NET itself is the programming language, not the actual framework.
[22:46:49] <Reedy>	 No
[22:46:53] <Reedy>	 .NET Framework
[22:47:14] <PinkAmpersand>	 hey, you're a sysadmin, you don't get to comment on content stuff! ;D
[22:47:33] <Jasper_Deng>	 Reedy: in French
[22:47:46] <Reedy>	 I'm not saying it's the wrong way round
[22:47:51] <Reedy>	 .NET isn't a programming language
[22:47:55] <Reedy>	 It's a software framework
[22:49:11] <hoo|away>	 yeah :D
[22:49:44] <PinkAmpersand>	 Jasper_Deng: okay, so, should the French Micrsoft .NET article just get a new item, or do we have one that better suits it?
[22:50:34] <Jasper_Deng>	 new item
[22:51:05] <PinkAmpersand>	 would you like to do the honors? :)
[22:51:32] <Jasper_Deng>	 I'm going to swap links
[22:52:22] <PinkAmpersand>	 Jasper_Deng: you mean put the Microsoft .NET link on Q3767262?
[22:52:39] <Jasper_Deng>	 yeah
[22:52:48] <PinkAmpersand>	 don't do that. it messes with potential third-party uses
[22:52:59] <PinkAmpersand>	 an item should only ever discuss one topic
[22:53:20] <PinkAmpersand>	 especially since we might someday have deleted items redirect to the items they were merged to
[22:53:36] <Jasper_Deng>	 fine, let's make a new item
[22:53:40] <PinkAmpersand>	 :)
[22:55:14] <Jasper_Deng>	 fait
[22:55:23] <PinkAmpersand>	 yay!
[22:55:56] <PinkAmpersand>	 going off of link titles, looks like there might be some links to move from Q5289, if you're not doing anything more important
[22:56:26] <PinkAmpersand>	 Jasper_Deng: oooh you got a Q# divisible by 1,000
[22:56:27] <PinkAmpersand>	 lucky
[22:56:35] <Jasper_Deng>	 really??
[22:56:44] <PinkAmpersand>	 mhmm
[22:56:50] <PinkAmpersand>	 Q13423000
[22:57:34] * Jasper_Deng  totally didn't expect that

[22:57:36] <PinkAmpersand>	 lol and i had 996, 997, and 998. that's cheating :P
[22:57:52] <PinkAmpersand>	 and 995
[22:58:10] <PinkAmpersand>	 well, i mean, it's gonna happen with 0.1% of the items you create
[22:59:02] <PinkAmpersand>	 how many items have you created?
[22:59:24] <Jasper_Deng>	 idk
[22:59:31] <Jasper_Deng>	 most of them would be from my very early deays.
[22:59:34] <Jasper_Deng>	 days*
[23:00:06] <PinkAmpersand>	 yeah, same. i've only been getting back into "content creation" lately
[23:02:46] <JohnLewis>	 I do content work when I have time. I usually only do it when working with properties :/
[23:03:12] <Jasper_Deng>	 I've run out of things to make content on
[23:03:19] <Jasper_Deng>	 all the technical terms are now imported.
[23:05:05] <PinkAmpersand>	 well today i've just been trolling through
[23:05:06] <PinkAmpersand>	 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:UnconnectedPages
[23:05:38] <PinkAmpersand>	 (if you wanna use that, jump a head a few hundred, just so we don't conflict)
[23:11:07] * Jasper_Deng  didn't know of that page

[23:25:59] <PinkAmpersand>	 Jasper_Deng: hmmm. what to do with http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/1,_rue_S%C3%A9same ? leave it where it is, or move it to a new item along with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1,_rue_Sesame
[23:26:03] <PinkAmpersand>	 my gut says the latter
[23:28:52] * Jasper_Deng  opens

[23:29:30] <Jasper_Deng>	 hhm.... this is a hard call
[23:29:45] <Jasper_Deng>	 but I'd say separate them
[23:29:54] <Jasper_Deng>	 esp. given that their characters aren't exactly the same.
[23:31:00] <PinkAmpersand>	 yeah. i suspect there may be other ones that might need to be split
[23:31:19] <PinkAmpersand>	 it'd be the equivalent of some language editions of Wikipedia only discussing their own language in their article on Wikipedia
[23:37:05] <PinkAmpersand>	 I wish NewPages could take a hideanons=1 parameter. then we could show the highest Q# on the main page
[23:37:36] <Jasper_Deng>	 hhm
[23:42:40] <PinkAmpersand>	 i mocked up a nice display for it a while back, but realized we'd occasionally wind up showing vandalistic items on the main page
[23:45:56] <legoktm>	 PinkAmpersand: We can Lua it.
[23:46:05] <PinkAmpersand>	 oooh that'd be nice :)
[23:46:35] <PinkAmpersand>	 legoktm: could Lua make it so you could actually just hide any non-patrolled items?
[23:47:21] <PinkAmpersand>	 (mockup is @ https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:PinkAmpersand/sandbox )
[23:47:25] <legoktm>	 Yes.