[01:55:35] is there an open bug somewhere to make it so AllPages actually goes in numerical order? [01:57:15] PinkAmpersand: mh, I don't think so... that's smth. very Wikibase specific [01:57:39] oh, yeah, of course. I meant only for wikis with Wikibase enabled [01:58:36] PinkAmpersand: Open a new Wikibase repo bug for that (and feel free to CC me), should be rather minor [01:58:43] will do [01:59:13] want it as 'minor', or 'trivial'? [02:00:21] PinkAmpersand: Trivial, please [02:05:01] kk. cc'd you [02:06:02] i'll get an email saying this bug has been resolved like 15 years from now, and quietly smile to myself [02:06:22] unless I'm living on Mars, in which case it will probably be something a little more advanced than an email [02:08:29] :P [02:08:44] I've updated the bug a little... now you only need someone to fix it :D [02:14:29] hey, hoo, seeing as you speak German and are an mw sysop, mind doing something to http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Anna506016&redirect=no ? [02:15:41] weird [02:16:31] It's a fairy tale or so... but w/o a link or anything :P [02:17:33] someone once said to me, the thing you never realize until you're an admin somewhere is just how *weird* some things are. and it's true. i mean, every now and then you see something truly offensive or awful, but far more often things are just... strange [02:19:53] oh that stuff [02:19:58] there are more accounts like that [02:20:06] I cu'd it once, it's an Austrian school [02:20:15] sounds macabre [02:20:26] :P [02:20:37] students being forced to transcribe Brothers Grimm stories onto Wikimedia sites [02:20:45] lest they be baked into pies for being too fat [02:22:49] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Mstadler :P [06:19:06] Pink|away: hm, well AllPages is in alphabetical order, which is different. [06:19:17] is there any advantage to having it in numerical order? [06:19:24] the assigned numbers are completely arbitrary [06:50:31] so i'm reading through https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/References_and_sources right now, and im only seeing discussions about "how to source", not "what to source". is it just me? [06:53:31] i guess everyone is sleeping.... [06:53:51] * nikki is awake! [06:53:58] hey! [06:54:04] hi hi :D [06:58:07] I'm not sure I'm much help though, 'cause I don't fancy reading that page right now :P [07:02:58] :P [14:25:37] Lydia_WMDE: what is this? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49306 [14:26:28] benestar: hmm? we're working on a datatype for urls [14:26:38] this is a bug to follow it for anyone who wants to [14:26:41] who should work on this? [14:26:55] the developers at wmde will [14:27:05] how long will it take? [14:27:17] i am not sure tbh [14:28:34] Lydia_WMDE: is there any bug I can work on? [14:28:44] the SetSiteLink is merged now [14:29:04] Good afternoon. For membership bottom up we have https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Basic_membership_properties . What property to use in the other direction? [14:29:06] benestar: sorry - in a call now - but all bugs with need-volunteer are up for working in [14:29:50] k, don't want to disturb you [14:37:04] hello why are the translations of [[Template:Recentchanges/text]] not shown at [[Special:RecentChanges]]? [14:37:06] [7] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:Recentchanges/text13 => [14:37:08] [8] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges [14:47:13] Lydia_WMDE: back? [14:48:48] benestar: still in call [14:48:53] sorry [15:00:25] benestar: now i am back [16:00:39] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Automatically register all Wikibase Client tests " [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67543 [16:28:54] New patchset: Bene; "bug 42102 - special page for entities without description" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67634 [16:46:01] New patchset: Bene; "bug 42102 - special page for entities without description" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67634 [16:54:35] Lydia_WMDE: hi again :) [16:54:50] just created https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/67634/ [16:55:39] aude: I'm thinking about making the "special extensions" in make-wmf-branch a bit more dynamic, by using $wgVersion or something in the text. mw1.22-wmf5 vs wgVersions 1.22wmf5 [16:56:14] obviously mw$wgVersion does most of it, but the hyphen is a slight annoyance [16:56:41] Intention being we don't have to make a commit every week for every weekly deployment [17:00:39] mw-1.22wmf5 [17:00:43] * Reedy shrugs [17:44:41] !admin [[Template:Discussion_navigation/text]] please mark for translation [17:44:42] [9] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:Discussion_navigation/text [17:44:51] ohai [17:45:08] sure [17:45:21] * addshore waves at legoktm [17:45:26] o/ [17:45:30] \o [17:46:13] Pyfisch: done i think. [17:46:55] oh [17:46:55] thx [17:46:57] benestar beat me [17:47:04] legoktm: :P [17:47:45] multichill: ping [17:47:50] lol sometimes no translation admin marks for days and now two admins do it in seconds :p [18:00:19] addshore: [[Wikidata:Administrators how-to guide]] does not exist you noticed it at the admin noticeboard [18:00:21] [10] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Administrators_how%2Dto_guide [18:10:55] interlanguage links: is there a way to link a page to a page subsection? [18:11:07] basically http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen's_arrest to http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arresto_in_flagranza_di_reato#Arresto_in_flagranza_eseguito_da_privati [18:11:23] anitalianhelper: no, that isn't supported by the software [18:12:12] ah, I remember seeing something like that, maybe through a redirection. do I remember incorrectly? [19:11:00] !admin [[Template:None/text]] please mark for translation :-) thx [19:11:01] [11] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:None/text [19:11:18] Loooooooool https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q4115189 [19:11:58] benestar: :P [19:12:05] xD [19:12:11] it is so funny xD [19:12:18] I had already RFD on the item [19:12:30] http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?diff=43025948 [19:12:48] Pyfisch: done [19:12:57] heh [19:13:03] ;) [19:13:15] I now love that item :D [19:13:29] me too [19:13:38] also the history is broken... [19:14:29] have all wikidata developers gone mad?! Q4115189 critical input not made safe!!! [19:14:37] Maybe we should fully protect to preserve the awesomeness :D [19:14:44] Lydia_WMDE: something to laught for you devs: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q4115189 [19:14:50] *laugh [19:15:00] lol [19:15:06] wtf [19:15:19] Lydia is not on? [19:15:27] :( [19:15:29] any other dev? [19:15:31] Oh sorry. She is. [19:15:46] and all by adding " {{Wikidata:Main page}}" as description [19:15:47] [12] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:Wikidata:Main_page [19:15:51] This client for some reason makes L and J the same xD [19:15:52] legoktm: Pong [19:16:00] * Jasper_Deng reverts [19:16:05] :( [19:16:12] "Please be gentle with it." [19:16:13] JohnLewis: we would need to protect all Wikidata to prevent this! [19:16:14] Jasper_Deng: :( [19:16:35] Jasper_Deng: or fix https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48567 ;) [19:16:38] Pyfisch; I meant protect that one item so it could not be reverted. [19:17:36] multichill: what are your thoughts on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/References_and_sources ? i read through some of it, and am slightly concerned that it only focuses on how to source, not what to source... [19:18:04] lego: so we're going to have Wikidata:Verifiability? [19:18:22] Jasper_Deng: im not sure. hence why i'm concerned. [19:18:36] I started reading it at some point. A lot of people think everything MUST have a source other people think everything SHOULD have a source [19:18:42] this RFC needs to be better advertised. [19:18:53] also: string fields are not safe. look on that item [19:19:17] Q4115189 [19:19:43] legoktm: It's a wiki, so I think we should aim at getting everything source, but accept that on the way there we have a lot of unsourced claims [19:20:08] I'm getting the impression some people want everything sourced from the start. That would kill this project [19:20:56] Pyfisch: lol [19:20:58] yeah [19:21:33] How to exactly source? We'll figure something out. [19:22:17] multichill: I completly agree with you, that WILL kill the project. They are a small minority, 3 or 4 people. They don't now how to operate bots. [19:23:21] It's like going from stub to FA, that's what we should have at Wikidata. Aim for everything FA, but don't delete the stubs [19:24:39] I also think we should source bot imported statements better, but there are problems: Good sources with API access and fitting licenses are rare. It is not the problem that we botsops are to lazy to write importers [19:25:55] multichill: maybe we should strongly oppose this rfc [19:26:15] Pyfisch: you do know that this channel is publicly logged, right? [19:26:27] At least make it more realistic. [19:26:33] ^^ [19:27:07] Today I worked on the Rijksmonumenten in the Netherlands. I already have the data in a structured format, but that will still be a hell of job getting it in [19:27:42] Jasper_Deng: yes I know that it is logged, do I need to censorship my oppinon? Or have I said something forbidden?! [19:27:44] We will have 1000s of sources we somehow need to fit in. That's going to take a lot of time. 12M items * 5 claims each is already 60M claims [19:28:28] multichill: I am not sure if the wikimedia servers are strong enough for that :-/ [19:28:46] Damn us buying those weak servers [19:29:17] Reedy: Don't forget to feed the server kittens ;-) [19:47:37] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Automatically register all Wikibase Client tests" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67543 [19:51:49] legoktm: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Requests_for_comment/References_and_sources#A_statement_is_unsourced.2C_now_what.3F [20:03:57] New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Automatically register all Wikibase Client tests " [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67543 [20:25:39] multichill: thanks, ill comment in a bit [20:26:03] Discussion seems to be spread around. Part of it is at the village pump [21:11:39] benecloudstar: ;-) [21:12:27] JohnLewis: heh i am actually always on here but not always at my computer of course [21:13:03] Lydia_WMDE: I was right saying you aren't here then :P [21:13:13] *weren't [21:13:18] ;-)