[08:39:03] <JeroenDeDauw>	 legoktm: a property page contains a property (or is about a property) which in its turn contains a list of claims. So Claim should indeed not extend PropertyPage :)
[08:39:36] <JeroenDeDauw>	 legoktm: I want to poke a bit at creating a reusable Wikibase DataModel package in python
[08:39:52] <JeroenDeDauw>	 One that can be distributed via standard python channels
[08:40:08] <JeroenDeDauw>	 And can then be used by people interacting with Wikibase via some python code
[09:10:48] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Tobi_WMDE: http://phpunit.de/manual/current/en/installation.html#installation.phar
[09:17:55] <Granjow>	 For example, one could state that Berlin is the capital of Germany, where Germany has its own Item in Wikidata, that the Property capital of refers to.
[09:18:26] <Granjow>	 Doesn't this actually mean �that the value of the property capital of refers to�?
[09:27:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "The MW PHPUnit runner fails when invoking it from elsewhere" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69035
[09:28:41] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69035
[09:38:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Remove not needed clone" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69037
[09:38:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Run the phpunit command as part of the script" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69038
[09:39:01] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69037
[09:39:08] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69038
[09:42:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Do not run the tests twice" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69039
[09:42:20] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69039
[09:44:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Add strict config" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69040
[09:44:52] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69040
[09:54:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Have Travis run both builds for client and repo installs" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69041
[09:54:59] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69041
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[09:58:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fix travis config" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69042
[09:58:49] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69042
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[10:05:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fix to path in travis config and added workaround for weird travis behaviour" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69043
[10:05:51] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69043
[10:07:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Update Jenkins test hack code" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69044
[10:08:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Exclude ChangeHandlerTest since it is still full of fail" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69045
[10:09:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fix typo in travis config" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69046
[10:09:40] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69044
[10:09:48] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69045
[10:09:57] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69046
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[10:14:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Attempt to fix Jenkins" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69047
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[10:20:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Attempt to fix Jenkins" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69047
[10:24:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "Add parameter "new" to editEntity API" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/68406
[10:30:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "Switching from JS globe coordinate parser to back-end parser" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69048
[10:30:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Attempt to fix Jenkins" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69047
[10:31:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "Selenium test adjustments for switch to back-end GeoCoordinate parser" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69049
[10:33:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Attempt to fix Jenkins" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69047
[10:36:20] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Attempt to fix Jenkins" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69047
[10:57:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Attempt to fix Jenkins" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69047
[10:59:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Attempt to fix Jenkins" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69047
[11:06:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Attempt to fix Jenkins" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69047
[11:07:47] <linnea>	 oooh date is live
[11:09:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Attempt to fix Jenkins" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69047
[11:12:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Make Jenkins pass again" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69047
[11:12:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Make Jenkins pass again" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69047
[11:17:37] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Tobi_WMDE: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69047
[11:24:31] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69047
[11:52:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Use Composer to do installation of Wikibase and dependencies in TravisCI build" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69067
[11:54:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Use Composer to do installation of Wikibase and dependencies in TravisCI build" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69067
[11:55:04] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69067
[12:02:38] <Granjow>	 Is there API documentation somewhere?
[12:14:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Remove WikibaseQuery as it now resides in its own git repo" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69070
[12:18:36] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Granjow: http://wikidata.org/w/api.php
[12:20:48] <Granjow>	 Thanks Lydia_WMDE! 
[12:30:28] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Tobi_WMDE: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/69070/
[12:41:51] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69070
[12:47:03] <Micru>	 hi all!
[12:47:08] <Micru>	 Lydia_WMDE, where is the best page to put the "sourcing guidelines" up to vote?
[12:51:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added autoload to composer file" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69077
[12:51:58] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69077
[12:52:25] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Micru: hey
[12:52:48] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i don't think we have anything besides [[Wikidata:RfC]]
[12:52:49] <AsimovBot>	 [2] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:RfC
[12:53:00] <Lydia_WMDE>	 but it is already there, right?
[12:53:19] <Lydia_WMDE>	 then i'd ask people on project chat and in the newsletter to vote
[12:56:03] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase#184 (master - eb33832 : jeroendedauw): The build has errored.
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[12:58:52] <Micru>	 thanks, Lydia_WMDE, then I will make a section to vote for it
[12:59:10] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Micru: cool :)
[12:59:35] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Micru: [[Wikidata:Status updates/Next]] is the place for the next status update where you can add it
[12:59:36] <AsimovBot>	 [3] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Status_updates/Next
[13:02:23] * reosarevok  wonders if anyone's actually checking the bot requests 

[13:02:27] <reosarevok>	 Doesn't seem to be working too well :(
[13:11:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Remove repo from autoload in composer file untill we figure out how to get this to work" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69083
[13:11:59] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69083
[13:14:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Remove lib from autoload in composer file untill we figure out how to get this to work" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69084
[13:14:12] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69084
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[13:17:50] <Pyfisch>	 hello
[13:18:06] <Pyfisch>	 is there a gadget to view coordinates in Wikidata on maps, for example on OSM?
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[13:24:57] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Pyfisch: not yet as far as i can tell
[13:25:15] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Pyfisch: ask on project chat maybe if someone wants to code it?
[13:25:40] <Pyfisch>	 Lydia_WMDE: Werde ich machen, ich wollte nur erst einmal hier fragen ;-)
[13:25:45] <Lydia_WMDE>	 :)
[13:25:51] <Lydia_WMDE>	 gute idee 
[13:27:15] <Pyfisch>	 ist übrigens praktisch das alle von den Entwicklern WMDE am Namensende haben, da weiß man gleich das man auf deutsch schreiben kann :P
[13:27:54] <hoo>	 Pyfisch: Das ist nicht war... gibt auch Entwickler, die können gar kein Deutsch, arbeiten aber trotzdem bei WMDE
[13:27:57] <hoo>	 * wahr
[13:28:29] <Pyfisch>	 hoo: auch wikidata entwickler? hmm wusste ich garnicht :-/
[13:28:41] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Pyfisch: jep 2 aber die haben kein wmde im namen hier
[13:28:46] <Lydia_WMDE>	 also passt schon :)
[13:29:41] <Micru>	 Lydia_WMDE, schon gemacht :)   ��  https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/References_and_sources#Final_vote
[13:29:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "Add parameter "new" to editEntity API" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/68406
[13:29:59] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Micru: \o/
[13:30:13] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Micru: want me to tweet it?
[13:30:26] <Micru>	 Lydia_WMDE, sure :)
[13:30:29] <Lydia_WMDE>	 k
[13:30:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Remove global scope assumptions in lib and exec code in non global scope" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69087
[13:33:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "L10n reviewed. Left inline comments." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65648
[13:34:25] <Pyfisch>	 Micru: ist wenn das angenommen wird das hinzufügen von quellen zwingend, oder wird nur festgelegt wie aussagen richtig bequellt werden sollten?
[13:35:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Remove global scope assumptions in repo and exec code in non global scope" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69089
[13:37:06] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65304
[13:38:12] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Encrypted German communications detected - what are you evil people up to?
[13:38:12] <JeroenDeDauw>	 /me looks suspiciously at Lydia_WMDE
[13:38:23] <Lydia_WMDE>	 lol
[13:38:26] * Lydia_WMDE  pets JeroenDeDauw

[13:38:41] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Pyfisch: ^there is one of them ;-)
[13:39:28] <Pyfisch>	 Lydia_WMDE: :-)
[13:39:55] <Pyfisch>	 JeroenDeDauw: our communication is not encrypted, but it is german :-P
[13:41:11] <JeroenDeDauw>	 > Lydia_WMDE pets JeroenDeDauw
[13:41:11] <JeroenDeDauw>	 /me runs away in terror
[13:41:19] <Lydia_WMDE>	 ;-)
[13:41:37] <Lydia_WMDE>	 for everyone in the office: he's not actually running
[13:41:48] <Lydia_WMDE>	 but terror is visible on his face
[13:41:52] <Lydia_WMDE>	 :P
[13:42:00] <Lydia_WMDE>	 *everyone not in the office
[13:42:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Remove global scope assumptions in client and exec code in non global scope" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69091
[13:43:59] <GerardM>	 hmmm when I read the latest patchset of Jeroen ... you might be considered a terrorist
[13:44:06] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Lydia_WMDE: I moving my chair very slowly, that counts as running when all I need to do is stay ahead of you
[13:44:19] <Lydia_WMDE>	 haha
[13:44:35] <GerardM>	 Remove global scope assumptions in client and exec code in non global scope ... I never read fear described in such a detached way
[13:44:39] <JeroenDeDauw>	 GerardM: I broke the global scope? Oh no, some god object will strike me down now
[13:44:59] <GerardM>	 NON global scope ...
[13:45:02] <GerardM>	 your face
[13:45:19] <GerardM>	 fear ... terror
[13:45:35] <JeroenDeDauw>	 More like "wtf this is GerardM guy going on about" :)
[13:45:43] <GerardM>	 :)
[13:45:54] <GerardM>	 ah well
[13:46:16] <GerardM>	 Lydia as a terrorist ... the idea is fun for a moment
[13:51:15] <JeroenDeDauw>	 GerardM: yeah, until you realize how scary that actually is and figure you should find a place to hide
[13:51:41] <GerardM>	 hmmm
[13:54:12] <Pyfisch>	 Lydia is a secret agent of the nsa and she collects informations about all users editing wikimedia wikis for the prism project
[13:54:50] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i deny everything!
[13:55:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "Add parameter "new" to editEntity API" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/68406
[13:56:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hoo man; "RE to Siebrand (thanks for having a look)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65648
[13:57:06] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Pyfisch: don't be naive. Lydia is head of the illuminate. The NSA are her slaves
[13:57:21] <Lydia_WMDE>	 -.-
[13:57:23] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i deny everything!
[13:58:18] <Pyfisch>	 Lydia_WMDE: yes of course you deny - everything is top secret
[13:58:27] <hoo>	 JeroenDeDauw: We should make the bot report WikibaseDataModel etc. changes to this channel as well
[13:58:50] <hoo>	 Dunno where that bot is configured
[13:58:54] <Pyfisch>	 I also deny always that I am Usama bin Laden but it is true, I am
[13:59:56] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hoo: FIRST! :p
[14:00:07] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hoo: like this https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/69010/
[14:00:51] <hoo>	 :)
[14:01:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "Add parameter "new" to editEntity API" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/68406
[14:02:49] <Micru>	 Pyfisch, nein, das ist nur die beschreibung wie die quellen hinzuf�gt werden sollen, aber es ist nicht zwingend
[14:13:43] <Tobi_WMDE>	 aude: ping
[14:29:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Update README file" [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69099
[14:30:22] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69099
[14:38:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "Add parameter "new" to editEntity API" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/68406
[14:54:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "Removed obsolete JavaScript globe coordinate parser" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69112
[15:02:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65648
[15:08:30] <Granjow>	 Can I extend an extension? I.e. extend Wikibase with an extension?
[15:12:41] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/68641
[15:26:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "Make JS repoApi aware of editEntity's "new" parameter" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/68639
[16:48:34] <Pyfisch>	 Lydia_WMDE: Wie schwer wäre es Statements usw. auch auf Property Seiten zu aktivieren?
[16:49:10] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Pyfisch: uff das wäre ne frage für denny wenn er wieder da ist übermorgen
[16:49:30] <Lydia_WMDE>	 wäre gut einen usecase dafür aufzuschreiben
[16:50:44] <Pyfisch>	 Lydia_WMDE: usecase wären property constraints und dokumentation: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Place_of_the_property_documentation
[16:51:05] <Lydia_WMDE>	 ok
[17:02:38] <louis_segal>	 fun
[17:52:19] <pragunbhutani>	 hello!
[17:57:33] <aude>	 hi pragunbhutani 
[17:57:58] <pragunbhutani>	 aude: hello! how's it going?
[18:00:33] <aude>	 pragunbhutani: good... and how are you doing with mobile skins?
[18:00:49] <pragunbhutani>	 aude: pretty well! 
[18:00:54] <aude>	 cool
[18:01:13] <pragunbhutani>	 Jon told me of this new way of implementing your own mobile skins that they've introduced
[18:01:30] <pragunbhutani>	 and I'm going to hack on that tomorrow and make a 'hello world' sort of a skin
[18:01:46] <aude>	 sounds good
[18:01:50] <pragunbhutani>	 other than that, I did look at the entity view code and that wasn't very hard to understand
[18:02:04] <pragunbhutani>	 once I'm familiar with this new skinning process, I think I have the next step down
[18:02:06] <aude>	 ok
[18:02:27] <pragunbhutani>	 I'll have to get data in pretty much the same way as it's done in the entity view, and pass that to the new skin I make
[18:02:36] <pragunbhutani>	 does that sound somewhat right?
[18:02:40] <aude>	 well, kind of yes
[18:03:29] <aude>	 right now, i am not sure it builds everything in entity view for php to handle
[18:04:17] <aude>	 it builds most stuff, but some stuff is injected as js variables and then js formats it etc
[18:05:12] <pragunbhutani>	 yes I saw that too
[18:05:24] <pragunbhutani>	 that part is close to the end 
[18:05:39] <pragunbhutani>	 there's already a php-workaround for the 'edit' action
[18:05:59] <pragunbhutani>	 if JS isn't allowed, the edit text gets linked to the special page
[18:06:06] <pragunbhutani>	 I thought we could use something like that
[18:06:29] <aude>	 sure
[18:07:36] <pragunbhutani>	 other than that, I think things will get clearer as we proceed to the next step
[18:08:11] <pragunbhutani>	 so far, Jon suggested that I should try the skinning process (he's told me how) and then do a few mockups of how mobile wikidata should looks
[18:08:12] <pragunbhutani>	 *look
[18:08:30] <pragunbhutani>	 then we can discuss the mock-ups and I can proceed
[18:10:02] <pragunbhutani>	 on a different note, I'm at the end of my vacation now so we are going to be able to communicate regularly again
[18:10:06] <pragunbhutani>	 IRC and the usual channels
[18:10:25] <pragunbhutani>	 I returned to India today and will be back in my own city by the same time tomorrow
[18:11:15] <aude>	 ok
[18:11:30] * aude  is on "vacation" but should be around a bit this week

[18:12:19] <pragunbhutani>	 oh that's cool
[18:12:37] <aude>	 for how the EntityView and related classes hook into stuff, you might also look at the content classes
[18:12:44] <pragunbhutani>	 since I'm going to try the skinning process at first, I'm going to be bugging Jon a little more :)
[18:12:48] <aude>	 ok
[18:13:14] <aude>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:ContentHandler
[18:14:32] <legoktm>	 JeroenDeDauw: I guess, but because a claim is extending a property page, you can check things like the datatype of the property used in the claim without creating a new object. While it may not be 100% accurate, i think for a bot writer it makes things a bit simpler
[18:15:18] <legoktm>	 JeroenDeDauw: also, i think the plan is that once the "rewrite" branch becomes the official main branch for pywikipediabot, we will upload it to pypi so its easier for other people to use
[18:17:47] <pragunbhutani>	 aude: I'll read that tonight
[18:18:11] <aude>	 ok
[18:20:39] <aude>	 alright, it's time to eat....
[18:44:39] <Pyfisch>	 at the moment we have a constraint that only items with "geographical feauture" main type should have coordinates. But what about organisations like  [[Q2283]]?
[18:44:40] <AsimovBot>	 [4] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2283
[18:48:32] <legoktm>	 hm
[18:48:46] <legoktm>	 well i think you'd need a different property
[18:48:52] <legoktm>	 cuz MS has a bunch of different offices
[18:49:02] <legoktm>	 maybe a property like "headquarters" or something
[19:10:21] <Sven_Manguard>	 Hey all. If you have a QR scanner, take a look at http://www.visualead.com/qrimages/visual_qr_code/1664813
[19:16:47] <legoktm>	 heh, nice
[19:29:45] <Pyfisch>	 why do we not create a string datatype property for urls?
[19:30:15] <Pyfisch>	 this is so much needed and it can be converted easyly
[19:30:38] <Pyfisch>	 when the iri datatype is avaible
[19:36:31] <Sven_Manguard>	 Pyfisch: I can't speak for everyone, but the people I've discussed it with (not WMDE staff, BTW) have agreed that we'd rather wait for the datatype, which can - in theory - support global and local blacklists
[19:36:53] <Sven_Manguard>	 because, well, there's a need on WMF projects for global blacklists
[19:39:47] <Pyfisch>	 ah ok
[19:40:15] <Pyfisch>	 :-( because we had also workarrounds for other datatypes
[19:58:13] <Sven_Manguard>	 http://www.anonmgur.com/up/4f118403ba4cb0059b85714ae2a824e3.png
[19:58:30] <Sven_Manguard>	 new version legoktm 
[20:00:01] <Jasper_Deng>	 he's eating lunch
[20:17:59] <legoktm>	 Sven_Manguard: neat :D
[20:52:29] <AVRS>	 Hi.
[20:53:29] <legoktm>	 hi 
[20:54:27] <AVRS>	 https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q23392&curid=26786&diff=51240092&oldid=51086675 — ice — image: (photo), logo image: (diagram)
[20:55:04] <legoktm>	 huh
[20:55:09] <legoktm>	 interesting
[20:55:29] <legoktm>	 maybe ask the editor on their talk page??
[20:55:31] <legoktm>	 ?*
[20:55:53] <AVRS>	 It's interesting even if not a typo
[20:57:13] <AVRS>	 Oh, there is "chemical structure" property for that.
[20:59:36] <AVRS>	 (the easily overviewable one-page list of properties was so nice!)
[21:00:51] <AVRS>	 Fixed.  Sorry about the noice.
[21:01:22] <legoktm>	 no worries
[21:38:10] <Sven_Manguard>	 legoktm: there?
[21:38:24] <legoktm>	 hi
[21:38:53] <Sven_Manguard>	 how difficult would it be for you to have legobot take over from Merlbot in updating https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Labels_and_descriptions_task_force/en ?
[21:40:58] <legoktm>	 Sven_Manguard: er, what specifically is the point of that page? just listing items that have no english label?
[21:41:07] <legoktm>	 i clicked on a few, and they all had labels...
[21:41:11] <Sven_Manguard>	 yea, or no description, or both
[21:41:22] <Sven_Manguard>	 legoktm: yeah, because it hasn't been updated in *forever*
[21:41:38] <legoktm>	 o.O
[21:41:39] <legoktm>	 ok
[21:41:56] <legoktm>	 https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Labels_and_descriptions_task_force/en&oldid=9318354 <-- why do some in the "missing label" have a label provided?
[21:42:43] <Sven_Manguard>	 no clue, looks like it was pulling the English Wikipedia article name
[21:42:54] <Sven_Manguard>	 even though, at the time, that hadn't made it into the label field
[21:43:30] <Sven_Manguard>	 that feature doesn't need replicating
[21:44:17] <legoktm>	 ok. And how is this list more useful than https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntitiesWithoutLabel?language=en&submit=Find ?
[21:45:47] <legoktm>	 Sven_Manguard: ^
[21:46:29] <Sven_Manguard>	 is there also one for description?
[21:47:15] <legoktm>	 hm, doesnt look like it
[21:47:53] <Sven_Manguard>	 If we can get both of those, the only thing left would be to replicate the percentages
[21:48:35] <legoktm>	 percentages?
[21:55:15] <Sven_Manguard>	 legoktm: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Labels_and_descriptions_task_force#language_subpages
[21:57:23] <legoktm>	 Hm.
[21:57:56] <legoktm>	 Would really help if I could look at Merlissimo's code...
[21:58:12] <Sven_Manguard>	 does Merlissimo even edit anymore?
[21:58:38] <Sven_Manguard>	 I mean, at least he's back in the channel, which is an improvement from being totally absent, but his bots have all up and disappeared :(
[21:58:42] <legoktm>	 (show/hide) 15:02, 3 March 2013 (diff | hist) . . (+25)‎ . . Avari (Q790231) ‎ (‎Added link to [skwiki]: Avari)  :(
[21:59:50] <Sven_Manguard>	 maybe he got trapped in his basement and we're just seeing his IRCCloud
[22:01:05] <legoktm>	 i can look into it later, but no guaruntees, im trying to get my other bots back to work >.>
[22:11:40] <Sven_Manguard>	 what happened to em
[22:14:03] <Sky2042>	 rschen7754: I might suggest you reconsider your "speedy keep" !vote on P107.
[22:14:27] <rschen7754>	 Sky2042: how so>
[22:14:35] <Sky2042>	 rschen7754: It cannot be verified. :)
[22:14:51] <Sky2042>	 Which is a new reason for deletion.
[22:15:08] <Sky2042>	 (Based partially on the current discussion on project chat.)
[22:15:24] <rschen7754>	 oh
[22:15:36] <Sky2042>	 I'm actually adding that as a reason for deletion now.
[22:16:43] <rschen7754>	 i don't know how P107 can be verified though
[22:17:50] <Sky2042>	 rschen7754: The fact that it reflects the GND main type means that it would need to be verified on the GND site.
[22:17:56] <rschen7754>	 oh
[22:18:05] <Sky2042>	 Which cannot be done for the 1 million or so items which don't have a GND entry. :)
[22:20:53] <legoktm>	 Sven_Manguard: i didnt maintain them, and they slowly died. :(