[00:19:14] rschen7754 I'd rather be inactive :p [00:19:21] lol [00:19:30] I define it that way [00:19:39] :p [06:21:24] New patchset: Shirayuki; "Fix spelling (interlanguage link)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72348 [07:00:02] New patchset: Shirayuki; "Fix spelling (interlanguage link, overrode)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72348 [07:13:39] New patchset: Shirayuki; "Fix spelling (interlanguage link, overrode, formatting)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72348 [07:15:07] New patchset: Addshore; "fixing property param in api wbgetclaims" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72319 [07:30:34] New patchset: Liangent; "LanguageWithConversion: Allow lazy language object construction" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72320 [07:35:30] New patchset: Liangent; "LanguageWithConversion: Allow lazy language object construction" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72320 [07:38:02] New patchset: Shirayuki; "Fix spelling (overrode, millennia, etc.)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72348 [07:50:09] New patchset: Addshore; "Adding unit test for wbsetaliases" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72351 [07:59:17] New patchset: Liangent; "LanguageFallbackChain: Avoid creating Language objects in some cases" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72352 [08:04:52] New patchset: Liangent; "LanguageFallbackChain: Avoid creating Language objects in some cases" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72353 [08:10:40] New patchset: Liangent; "LanguageFallbackChainFactory: Avoid creating Language objects" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72352 [08:10:55] New patchset: Liangent; "LanguageFallbackChain: Avoid creating Language objects in some cases" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72353 [08:12:58] New patchset: Liangent; "SerializationOptions: Avoid creating Language objects" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72354 [08:17:54] New patchset: Liangent; "LanguageWithConversion: Allow lazy language object construction" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72320 [08:18:34] New patchset: Liangent; "LanguageFallbackChainFactory: Avoid creating Language objects" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72352 [08:18:43] New patchset: Liangent; "SerializationOptions: Avoid creating Language objects" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72354 [08:18:48] New patchset: Liangent; "LanguageFallbackChain: Avoid creating Language objects" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72353 [08:18:53] New patchset: Liangent; "LanguageFallbackChain: Avoid creating Language objects" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72353 [08:19:41] am I (or gerrit-wm) flooding the channel too much :p [08:22:06] New patchset: Liangent; "SerializationOptions: Avoid creating Language objects" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72354 [08:28:28] @seen hoo [08:30:08] New patchset: Addshore; "Refactor unittest/api/ModifyItemBase to ModifyEntityBase Will enable entities of all types to be created for api tests" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72316 [08:30:28] New patchset: Liangent; "LanguageFallbackChainFactory: Avoid creating Language objects" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72352 [08:30:37] Liangent and spammy patch sets ;p [08:31:05] New patchset: Liangent; "LanguageFallbackChain: Avoid creating Language objects" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72353 [08:31:09] New patchset: Liangent; "SerializationOptions: Avoid creating Language objects" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72354 [08:32:38] Liangent care to take a review of https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/71610 ? ;p [08:34:06] so large :) [08:34:24] Its only documentation though :p [09:38:48] New patchset: Liangent; "SerializationOptions: Avoid creating Language objects" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72354 [09:40:33] New patchset: Liangent; "LanguageFallbackChainFactory: Avoid creating Language objects" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72352 [09:43:48] New patchset: Liangent; "LanguageFallbackChain: Avoid creating Language objects" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72353 [09:43:50] New patchset: Liangent; "SerializationOptions: Avoid creating Language objects" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72354 [11:30:03] New patchset: Liangent; "LanguageFallbackChainFactory: Avoid creating Language objects" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72352 [11:31:00] New patchset: Liangent; "SerializationOptions: Avoid creating Language objects" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72354 [11:31:03] New patchset: Liangent; "LanguageFallbackChain: Avoid creating Language objects" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72353 [11:37:07] New patchset: Liangent; "Include preferred labels / descriptions for entities in JS on EntityView" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72226 [12:00:53] New patchset: Liangent; "Include preferred labels / descriptions for entities in JS on EntityView" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72226 [12:11:49] New patchset: Liangent; "Include preferred labels / descriptions for entities in JS on EntityView" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72226 [12:51:38] New patchset: Liangent; "Include preferred labels / descriptions for entities in JS on EntityView" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72226 [12:57:55] where did i saw the stats of missed iwikis for specified languages? [12:58:39] ah 've found it [13:00:10] oh lego is off((( [15:42:24] any additional comments on http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#reciprocal_property_-.3E_inverse_property would be appreciated! [16:21:16] New patchset: Liangent; "EntityViewHtml" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72363 [16:21:16] New patchset: Liangent; "Merge commit '7504cae8da95126b6c1e883621504e1b56137f79' into EntityViewHtml" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72364 [16:43:39] New patchset: Liangent; "EntityViewHtml" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72363 [16:46:22] New patchset: Liangent; "EntityViewHtml" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72363 [16:50:25] New patchset: Liangent; "EntityViewHtml" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72363 [19:23:34] DanielK_WMDE: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/71072/ it got stuck :p [19:23:45] and a bunch of my patches got stacked there [19:31:43] lazyktm, http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata_talk%3ADatabase_reports%2FMissing_links&diff=54637932&oldid=14716600 [20:20:07] liangent: poke me about it tomorrow afternoon [20:20:47] DanielK_WMDE: afternoon in berlin time? [20:27:24] liangent: yea. [20:52:05] Base-w: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/Missing_links/Input [21:20:36] lazyktm: i can edit it and it will affect the bot? nice [21:20:47] yup [21:22:09] lazyktm: done. if i add category it will broke the bot? [21:22:23] uncategorized pages are evil [21:22:28] Base-w: just do # [[Category:w/e]] [21:22:29] [1] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Category:w/e [21:22:36] oh [21:22:41] umm [21:22:49] Base-w: add it in the same line as the tag [21:23:36] lazyktm: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata%3ADatabase_reports%2FMissing_links%2FInput&diff=54679524&oldid=54679446 it's ok? [21:23:53] should be fine, but that category doesnt exist? [21:24:15] now exists :P [21:25:08] lazyktm: could you configure the bot to categorize output pages too? [21:25:36] liangent: I approved/flagged your bot [21:25:46] Base-w: Sure. What category? [21:26:17] or this one [[Category:Database reports]] [21:26:17] or create a subcategory [21:26:18] [2] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Category:Database_reports [21:26:39] they all are uncategorized now :( [21:26:54] lazyktm: thanks. any comments? [21:27:11] especially about the current "subdivides into" property deletion request? [21:27:30] should I still adding it? [21:27:39] ummmmmmmm [21:27:44] i'm so behind on everything [21:27:45] * lazyktm reads [21:30:16] liangent: I would continue adding it until the PFD request is closed. If it ends up in a delete consensus, the data will be migrated into p131, at which point your bot should start adding p131 [21:31:25] lazyktm: I'm adding both p150 and p131 currently [21:31:55] ah. so then you would just need to stop adding p150 :D [21:44:35] could an admin please fix the anchors on the links in the 'Current property deletion requests' section that appears on users' watchlists? for example the link to 'subdivides into (administrative division) (P150)' links to http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Properties_for_deletion#Property:P150, but it should be http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Properties_for_deletion#subdivides_into_.28ad [21:44:36] ministrative_division.29_.28P150.29 [21:44:39] err, http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Properties_for_deletion#subdivides_into_.28administrative_division.29_.28P150.29 [21:46:34] Emw: Feel free to revert that particular user's edit. I questioned it myself. [21:46:57] Emw: And no, we can't fix links in the watchlist, so the only way to do so is by fixing the page itself. [21:47:03] (Regardless whether you're an admin or not.) [21:49:21] Why can't we fix the links in the watchlist? [21:49:52] Is that technically not possible? [21:50:12] erm [21:50:19] Emw: you mean in the watchlist notice right? [21:50:26] yes [21:50:35] * Sky2042 goes away now because lazyktm is better than he is. [21:51:02] hm [21:51:35] Emw: The issue is because we're using == {{p|###}} ==, the TOC anchor changes depending on what you're interface language is. So we need to set a custom anchor [21:51:35] [3] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:p [21:52:01] lazyktm: Oh well then, we should probably just revert the change, else we're making extra work for ourselves some way or another. [21:52:06] which change? [21:52:07] On the PFD page. [21:52:24] * Sky2042 digs out diff. [21:52:26] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata%3AProperties_for_deletion&diff=54578364&oldid=53689376 [21:52:28] meh [21:52:31] it looks cleaner [21:52:32] I kind of like the change [21:52:42] ideally we should have each PfD on its own subpage [21:52:46] but meh [21:52:57] actually [21:53:02] this shouldnt be that hard [21:53:08] Oh sure, it looks cleaner, but actually ends up with more hastle in this instance. :/ [21:53:42] hassle for admins is better than hassle for users [21:53:49] * Sky2042 can't spell hassle. [21:54:14] Emw: admin abuse! [21:54:51] i guess non-admins could just as easily add an anchor tag to PfD [21:55:24] Hmm, there's no way to escape linking in the template currently. [21:55:32] That would be the way to fix it. [21:55:48] * Sky2042 pokes lazyktm. [21:55:52] Shh. [21:55:55] I'm working on it! [21:55:59] :P [21:56:08] and i agree that each PfD should be its own subpage. there's a proposal to do so at www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Properties_for_deletion ("Subpages?") [21:57:08] yay! [21:57:10] Emw: fixed [21:57:23] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Template:PropertyRFD&diff=prev&oldid=54682151 [21:58:36] lazyktm: thanks! [21:58:39] np [21:58:55] btw, are you active at property proposal? [21:59:18] historically i've been quite active, but less so lately [21:59:41] what do you think of https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Legoktm/WD:PP_overhaul ? [21:59:45] He's finally browbeaten enough people into submission on types that he doesn't need to [21:59:47] :^) [22:00:34] alas, the mess of domain-specific "type of" properties persists [22:00:46] Emw: quite. [22:03:22] could an admin also update the list of RFCs in the watchlist notice? the last three have been pretty silent for a while, and there are a few newer RFCs that could use some wider input [22:03:36] Emw: Looking. [22:07:26] P107 still exists? sigh. [22:07:28] Emw: Done. I left Kinship. [22:08:25] Emw: Anyways, if you have thoughts on the PP overhaul page i created, please add suggestions/comments! [22:08:26] bbl [22:08:40] lazyktm: will do [22:08:42] I like how my comments pointing out the absurdity of P107 are interpreted now as "persecution". It's not like I've spent years working on semweb systems and might realise stupid when I see it. [22:09:11] tommorris: Well, said user claiming persecution has up and left... [22:09:13] so.... [22:10:22] Meh. Happens. [22:10:53] tommorris: And anyway, you commented on the RFC of relevance, so... [22:11:31] Crikey. The stupid is strong. Suggesting that people who have some experience in semantic web systems saying that a technical approach is wrong is "psychological terror". [22:11:51] I warned him for that one. [22:13:13] He was like "but these are the real problems with X and Y and Z about technical approach" and I was like "irrelevant. if you want to work here, you will do so in a manner befitting a respectful member of society" [22:13:17] That made me feel good. [22:15:02] i think the problem with P107 is that it's the only generic type property with any decent amount of tool support [22:15:21] besides all the other problems with P107? :) [22:15:32] but yes, the fact that it was rolled out via bot is obnoxious. [22:15:43] and should never have been done what with the consensus that was put into the property. [22:15:44] that's what i mean [22:16:56] i don't think P31 and P279 will get much proper traction until an application to visualize their type hierarchies comes out [22:17:25] I've worked on Semantic Web projects for government. if someone suggested that we implement P107 at my previous job, I would have sent an email to their boss recommending their immediate dismissal [22:17:31] which, in turn, would require better support for transitive properties and going "up the chain" of types [22:17:37] There's already such an application for siblinghood, emw. [22:19:36] tommorris: was that work in OWL, RDF, ? [22:19:46] Yep. [22:20:03] RDF, SPARQL, RDFS/OWL [22:54:36] Krinkle|detached: ping [22:55:03] I've managed to cut down the size of the RL startup module by about 10% without any module changes \o/ [23:04:18] hoo: |o/ [23:05:57] Simply by optimizing/ flatting the dependency tree ... I was quite surprised that they don't yet do taht