[00:29:09] <Danwe_WMDE>	 JeroenDeDauw: have a minute?
[00:59:38] <Amgine>	 Well, darn. The Wikimanian-wikidatums should wake up.
[01:10:42] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Amgine: wasup?
[01:10:45] <Lydia_WMDE>	 ;-)
[01:11:32] <Lydia_WMDE>	 sorry need to leave for breakfast now
[01:11:38] <Lydia_WMDE>	 will try to be online again later
[01:11:45] <Lydia_WMDE>	 please say what you need here
[01:11:46] <rschen7754>	 represent wikidata well!
[01:11:55] <Lydia_WMDE>	 rschen7754: :) trying hard!
[01:12:20] <Lydia_WMDE>	 people really love wikidata here it seems \o/
[01:12:28] <Lydia_WMDE>	 aaaaanyway -> food
[01:15:21] <Amgine>	 Heh
[01:16:07] <Amgine>	 I was wondering if any wikimanian-wikidatum would be attending the wiktionary talk at 1130, and if so would be able/willing to keep IRC informed of what's going on?
[02:12:54] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Amgine: denny will be there and will try to set up an etherpad for notetaking
[03:00:28] <Amgine>	 Thanks, Lydia_WMDE 
[03:03:27] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Danwe_WMDE: yeah now I do ;p
[03:03:51] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Danwe_WMDE: though Im not sure you are still awake :D
[03:03:57] <Danwe_WMDE>	 I am
[03:04:01] <Danwe_WMDE>	 playing guitar in the office
[03:04:18] <JeroenDeDauw>	 lolol
[03:04:23] <JeroenDeDauw>	 How late is it exactly there?
[03:04:33] <Danwe_WMDE>	 5am
[03:04:36] <Danwe_WMDE>	 and over there?
[03:04:43] <JeroenDeDauw>	 11am
[03:04:48] <JeroenDeDauw>	 just had a breakfast
[03:04:58] <Danwe_WMDE>	 I am going to have lunch
[03:05:44] <JeroenDeDauw>	 *User Danwe_WMDE has now been authenticated*
[03:06:22] <Danwe_WMDE>	 haha, how's the food over there?
[03:32:36] <Amgine>	 So... is Denny in this channel, Lydia_WMD?
[03:35:40] <legoktm>	 Amgine: he's offline i guess
[03:35:41] <legoktm>	 Reedy: do you have the latest stat on how big wikidatawiki is?
[03:36:06] <Amgine>	 <blames legoktm>
[03:36:54] <legoktm>	 :<
[03:37:19] <Amgine>	 are *you* at Wikimania?
[03:38:37] <legoktm>	 yes!
[03:38:57] <Amgine>	 Well, are you at the meeting re: wiktionary / wikidata?
[03:39:16] <legoktm>	 no, i'm in the wikivoyage talk right now
[03:39:27] <Amgine>	 <waves @ Denny_WMDE>
[03:39:30] <aude>	 i
[03:39:32] <aude>	 hi
[03:39:32] <Denny_WMDE>	 We are keeping notes on the Wiktionary and Wikidata here: http://epl.wikimedia.org/p/WiktionaryAndWikidata
[03:39:38] <Amgine>	 <looks>
[03:39:47] <Denny_WMDE>	 (well nothing there yet :) )
[03:39:54] <aude>	 Amgine: do you do skype or anything?
[03:40:04] <aude>	 it might not work great buc could try
[03:40:18] <Amgine>	 Yes. But not, alas, flash, which etherpad requires?
[03:40:27] <aude>	 etherpad is js
[03:40:46] * aude  gets up skype

[04:02:39] <legoktm>	 JeroenDeDauw: :D
[04:04:49] <JeroenDeDauw>	 legoktm: I need some help in tackling those remaining todos
[04:05:00] <legoktm>	 yeah, i'm going to do that in a few minutes
[04:06:23] <JeroenDeDauw>	 legoktm: is there a pywikibot irc channel into which build falures could be reported?
[04:06:27] <legoktm>	 yes
[04:06:28] <legoktm>	 #pywikipediabot 
[04:07:23] <legoktm>	 JeroenDeDauw: should i amend your patchset now? or are you going to upload a new one?
[04:08:10] <JeroenDeDauw>	 legoktm: I'd prefer if you send me the needed info so I can amend it myself
[04:08:17] <legoktm>	 ok
[04:08:25] <legoktm>	 i thought i pm'd it to you last night but my connection dropped out
[04:08:38] <JeroenDeDauw>	 oh
[04:08:40] <JeroenDeDauw>	 indeed
[04:08:42] <JeroenDeDauw>	 one sec
[04:08:51] <legoktm>	 oh, great
[04:12:52] <JeroenDeDauw>	 legoktm: ok, so then I just need the python versions supported by pywikibot
[04:13:12] <legoktm>	 2.7.2+
[04:13:17] <legoktm>	 so .2, .3, .4, .5
[04:15:21] <JeroenDeDauw>	 legoktm: no support for 3.x?
[04:15:34] <legoktm>	 not yet
[04:18:32] <JeroenDeDauw>	 legoktm: well, new patchset on gerrit
[04:19:12] <JeroenDeDauw>	 legoktm: I'm going to be quite surprised if this works from the first time ;p Probably something has been fogotten or not done correctly, but sort of hard to figure that out
[04:19:41] <legoktm>	 JeroenDeDauw: do we need to enable anything on the travis-ci side? or have you already done that
[04:19:46] <legoktm>	 just tell me when i should +2
[04:20:28] <JeroenDeDauw>	 legoktm: I have already set up the github hook
[04:20:36] <JeroenDeDauw>	 legoktm: feel free to merge
[04:20:40] <legoktm>	 ok
[04:20:57] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Now we'll see that the irc notification thing works
[04:21:06] <JeroenDeDauw>	 ;p
[04:22:21] <legoktm>	 https://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/pywikibot-core
[04:22:23] <legoktm>	 \o/
[04:22:44] <legoktm>	 heh, failed
[04:22:56] <legoktm>	 ok, i can fix that
[04:23:22] <JeroenDeDauw>	 oh, needs abs path?
[04:23:42] <legoktm>	 ish
[08:07:37] <Reedy>	 legoktm: http://p.defau.lt/?s9eAzQILx_xuR49taSHZpg
[08:49:23] <JeroenDeDauw>	 aude: please slap denny ;p I could have said something internal or something
[08:50:48] * aude  slaps JeroenDeDauw :)

[08:51:11] <Reedy>	 Fatal error:  Call to a member function parse() on a non-object in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.22wmf12/extensions/Wikibase/repo/includes/specials/SpecialModifyEntity.php on line 94
[08:51:21] <aude>	 wtf?
[08:52:19] <Reedy>	 I'll get a stack trace
[08:53:08] <aude>	 Reedy: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52614
[08:53:09] <aude>	 no need
[08:53:17] * aude  can backport

[08:53:25] <aude>	 just not right now
[08:53:36] <aude>	 need to approve the fix
[08:53:41] * Reedy  adds it to the bug anyway

[08:54:11] <aude>	 ok
[08:54:21] <aude>	 i have another backport in addition
[08:54:36] <aude>	 to make setclaim api module mark bot edits :)
[09:52:58] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Shirayuki: Add full-stops to error messages [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/78503 
[10:14:07] <ebraminio>	 how a novalue snaktype like only claim on http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1312191 can be created?
[10:14:52] <ebraminio>	 new mw.Api().post({
[10:14:53] <ebraminio>	   action: "wbcreateclaim",
[10:14:53] <ebraminio>	   format: "json",
[10:14:53] <ebraminio>	   entity: "q1159855",
[10:14:53] <ebraminio>	   property: "p373",
[10:14:53] <ebraminio>	   snaktype: "novalue",
[10:14:53] <ebraminio>	   value: JSON.stringify({}),
[10:14:54] <ebraminio>	   token: mw.user.tokens.get('editToken')
[10:14:54] <ebraminio>	 }).always(function (m, d) { console.log(m, d); });
[10:14:55] <ebraminio>	 is raising error code: "param-illegal", info: "You cannot provide a value when creating a claim with no PropertyValueSnak as main snak"
[10:16:52] <ebraminio>	 aude: Hi. Can you have a look?
[10:28:34] <Schisma>	 hi
[10:29:04] <Schisma>	 what would you say is the main type of the iron curtain: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q124425
[10:29:22] <Schisma>	 since the main type should only have one value
[10:29:46] <Schisma>	 maybe it should have two seperate entries
[10:30:14] <Schisma>	 one for the idea, one for the geographical feature
[10:45:08] <legoktm>	 Reedy: thanks, but i didnt sign on IRC in time so I ended up using the number from aug 1st
[11:37:47] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Remove verbose gpl headers [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/78508 
[11:38:50] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 032] Remove verbose gpl headers [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/78508 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw)
[11:39:42] <JeroenDeDauw>	 legoktm: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/78487/ arrrrrr
[11:43:08] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 032] Fixed adaptlettercase QUnit test [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/78250 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[11:46:57] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: "(2 comments)" [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/76741 (owner: 10Daniel Werner)
[12:07:37] <addshore>	 Schisma: / Schisma__ yes :)
[12:07:43] <addshore>	 it should have 2 items :)
[12:17:58] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PD1) 10Addshore: Refactor LinkTitlestest [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/78521 
[12:20:39] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PD1) 10Addshore: Add setalias test which used to add empty aliases [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/78514 
[12:24:45] <Schisma__>	 addshore: in this case... where should i link the article after?
[12:26:51] <addshore>	 well, it depends on what the article is about :P
[12:27:05] <Schisma>	 the german one is about both
[12:27:42] <addshore>	 in a perfect world the article should get split up :)
[12:27:58] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PD1) 10Addshore: Move queryExceptionTest to ApiTestBase [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/78522 
[12:28:04] <Schisma>	 the english one as well
[12:28:24] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PD1) 10Addshore: Limit when we log in for Api Tests [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/78520 
[12:28:54] <Schisma>	 had the same problem with the german version of sherlock holmes: which is for the character and the stories
[12:29:21] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PD1) 10Addshore: Make and use a method for asserting html elements [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/78515 
[12:29:25] <Schisma>	 they told me "its a problem of wikidata"
[12:30:04] <Schisma>	 "they should conform with us"
[12:30:31] <addshore>	 heh
[12:30:42] <addshore>	 well, in reality sitelinks should probably be done using claims
[12:30:46] <addshore>	 :P
[12:30:58] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PD1) 10Addshore: Fix incorrect class in SpecialSetEntity page [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/78518 
[12:31:32] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PD1) 10Addshore: Fix undefined offset when loading special page [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/78516 
[12:32:00] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PD1) 10Addshore: Add basic tests for special pages missing them [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/78517 
[12:32:22] <addshore>	 *makes use of having internet :>
[12:32:27] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PD1) 10Addshore: Remove profileOuts that dont have a mathing IN [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/78513 
[13:12:27] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PD2) 10Addshore: Add basic inputfield tests for Set* Specialpages [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/78519 
[13:14:01] <ebraminio>	 addshore: hi, can you check this problem http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Gadget-Merge.js#Hang_with_novalue
[13:14:18] <addshore>	 *looks*
[13:18:57] <addshore>	 heh 500 Internal Server Error
[13:19:19] <addshore>	 action=wbcreateclaim&format=json&entity=q1159855&property=p373&snaktype=novalue&token=1f3bd0528264a64d6ccc895d1cf05e69%2B%5C
[13:20:11] <addshore>	 ebraminio: make a bug? :) I will keep looking a bit :)
[13:20:51] <ebraminio>	 addshore: please make, thanks! :)
[13:22:20] <JohnLewis>	 ebraminio: I think he wants you to make a bug :P
[13:23:30] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Remove incorrect documentation [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/78524 
[13:24:44] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Addshore: [C: 032] Remove incorrect documentation [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/78524 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw)
[13:25:00] <ebraminio>	 JohnLewis: :P Okay I will do in half on hour if he didn't
[13:25:36] <JohnLewis>	 :P
[13:46:45] <ebraminio>	 addshore: Okay. Do you want I file a bug now? [I mean if you didn't]
[14:19:36] <Amgine_>	 Aude: post the wikimania conversation, some additional points have been raised. Would there be any chance for a discussion with wikidata folks on-wiki? perhaps at meta?
[14:37:02] <Reedy>	 Amgine_: No
[14:37:34] <Amgine_>	 hehe.
[14:37:38] <Amgine_>	 Also, hello.
[14:40:38] <Reedy>	 ohai
[14:45:11] <JohnLewis>	 Anyone here have knowledge of de and have a few minutes to spare?
[14:45:24] <JohnLewis>	 By de knowledge, de-3ish.
[14:49:58] <Reedy>	 Probably not the best time to ask
[14:50:29] <JohnLewis>	 Reedy: If directed at me; :/
[15:34:47] <Paelius>	 anybody could help with merge?
[15:35:25] <JohnLewis>	 Paelius: Hm?
[15:36:15] <Lydia_WMDE>	 JohnLewis: wasup?
[15:36:16] <Paelius>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q11724711 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q122822
[15:36:20] <Paelius>	 JohnLewis: 
[15:36:42] <JohnLewis>	 Lydia_WMDE: Nothing :P
[15:37:00] <Lydia_WMDE>	 JohnLewis: heh  - you needed someone with de skills?
[15:38:48] <JohnLewis>	 Lydia_WMDE: I did earlier. I took a stab and hoped by de-1 was sufficent.
[15:38:59] <Lydia_WMDE>	 ok cool
[15:39:07] <JohnLewis>	 It was purely seeing if two articles were the same thus merging on Wikidata.
[15:39:08] <Philon>	 Paelius: I have added it.
[15:39:11] <JohnLewis>	 Paelius: Merged.
[15:39:21] <JohnLewis>	 Philon: I have deleted it then :P
[15:39:21] <Philon>	 JohnLewis: hmm?
[15:39:21] <Paelius>	 thanks
[15:39:27] <Philon>	 :p
[15:39:46] <JohnLewis>	 Philon: I hate edit conflict but Wikidata edit conflicts are more annoying.
[15:39:50] <Philon>	 JohnLewis: Teamwork!
[15:39:58] <JohnLewis>	 Philon: Maybe!
[15:40:14] <Philon>	 Why is is it an edit conflict? There is no conflict.
[15:40:35] <JohnLewis>	 Philon: I saved after you added and Wikidata takes it as an EC.
[15:40:48] <Philon>	 Oh
[15:41:05] <JohnLewis>	 Lydia_WMDE: Could we possibly making error notices in Wikidata expanded by default? I hate having to expand them to find out wht went wrong :/
[15:41:18] <JohnLewis>	 *Could we possibly have
[15:41:41] <Lydia_WMDE>	 JohnLewis: can you shoot me an email about this please? then i'll not forget it. it is midnight here and i'm quite tired :D
[15:42:02] <Philon>	 Hong Kong?
[15:42:07] <JohnLewis>	 Oh I forgot, HK :P
[15:42:11] <Philon>	 :p
[15:42:15] <Lydia_WMDE>	 jep
[15:42:45] <JohnLewis>	 I am just used to WMDE having the same timezone as me but +1 :P Not having some in HK.
[15:43:12] <Lydia_WMDE>	 ;-)
[15:48:57] <JohnLewis>	 Lydia_WMDE: Emailed.
[15:49:18] <Lydia_WMDE>	 JohnLewis: thx - i'll check what the deal is there
[15:49:43] <JohnLewis>	 Lydia_WMDE: It is nothing :P Just asking for the error message to be extended by default :P
[15:49:54] <JohnLewis>	 Philon: Also, why don't you cloak your Wikimedia username :O
[15:50:09] <Philon>	 I don't edit. :O
[15:50:22] <Philon>	 I don't have a registered account.
[15:50:25] <Lydia_WMDE>	 JohnLewis: yeah i know - but i need to ask what the technical side there is in case there is a technical reason why it's done that way
[15:50:35] <Lydia_WMDE>	 but anyway - i'll find out
[15:50:38] <JohnLewis>	 Lydia_WMDE: Oh :P Ok.
[15:50:42] <Lydia_WMDE>	 but now time for bed
[15:50:44] <Lydia_WMDE>	 good night :)
[15:50:47] <JohnLewis>	 Philon: Lies!
[15:50:53] <Philon>	 Lies?
[15:51:01] <JohnLewis>	 Or am I misunderstanding you...
[15:51:01] <Philon>	 Lies by JohnLewis!
[15:51:36] <JohnLewis>	 Philon: You have a registered account and you edit :P
[15:51:40] <JohnLewis>	 You just edited :P
[15:52:15] <Philon>	 That wasn't me. Some 'abuser' as Burgie would say it. :p
[15:52:38] <JohnLewis>	 'IRC-Nick: Philon' :O
[15:52:59] <Philon>	 Impersonator!
[15:53:00] <Philon>	 Abuser!
[15:54:55] <JohnLewis>	 Philon :P
[16:43:05] <addshore>	 Lydia_WMDE: when do you all come back? :P
[17:11:33] <GerardM>	 I try to add a qualifier to a statement ... it does not allow me to save it ... why ?
[17:11:55] <GerardM>	 adding a title to a person and qualify it by date
[17:12:11] <GerardM>	 head of state - Bahrain - 	6 March 1999
[17:12:59] <GerardM>	 <grin> sorry found it
[17:25:22] <ebraminio1>	 addshore: Okay I did https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52707
[17:25:29] <ebraminio1>	 i've done
[17:25:52] <addshore>	 cheers :)
[17:27:53] <ebraminio1>	 :)
[20:36:17] <addshore>	 JohnLewis: whats your opinion on http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Kinship etc?
[20:36:47] <addshore>	 infact * checks to see what actions have been taken*
[20:38:00] <JohnLewis>	 addshore: Why ask me? And nothing happened. It just... died.
[20:38:46] <addshore>	 :<
[20:38:51] <addshore>	 imo i think we should just have
[20:39:03] <addshore>	 a parent property, and a sibling property
[20:39:13] <addshore>	 everything else can be worked out through relations of those! xD
[20:40:07] <JohnLewis>	 addshore: You're the dev... Go work!
[20:40:08] <JohnLewis>	 :p
[21:36:50] <GerardM>	 addshore: the request I made cannot be deduced in any way :)
[21:48:57] <Sky2042>	 addshore: We don't even need a sibling property as that can be deduced from the parent property...
[21:50:48] <addshore>	 Sky indeed xD
[21:51:06] <Sky2042>	 but no, people are butts and want all the information in the same place.
[21:51:20] <Sky2042>	 no matter how much duplication that might create.
[21:51:28] <Sky2042>	 it's the same with the taxonomies.
[21:52:21] <Sky2042>	 queries should have come sooner :/
[21:53:34] <addshore>	 Mhhm, they are coming as fast as poossible ;p
[21:56:14] <GerardM>	 Sky2042: when you use the genealogy tool by Magnus, you need both parent and child to be aware
[21:56:29] <GerardM>	 otherwise it will break going up or down
[21:57:05] <Sky2042>	 GerardM: Not really. A query from the parent for items which link to it through the "parent" property is enough to establish relational tie.
[21:57:13] <Sky2042>	 It's the same principle as "subclass of".
[21:57:31] <GerardM>	 as it is we do not have that
[21:57:33] <GerardM>	 so no
[21:57:49] <Sky2042>	 GerardM: Well, Magnus's tool certainly could do that.
[21:57:52] <Sky2042>	 Whatever the state onwiki.
[21:58:23] <Sky2042>	 To check to see if the children are full siblings, simply check whether they both have the same biological parents.
[21:59:15] <Sky2042>	 Otherwise, they're half siblings.
[21:59:38] <GerardM>	 or it is unknown
[21:59:48] <GerardM>	 you assume full information
[21:59:52] <Sky2042>	 Hardly.
[22:00:58] <GerardM>	 anyway ... I am learning how to use Wikidata by trial and error and find that there is a lack of user documentation
[22:01:08] <Sky2042>	 Certainly.
[22:01:40] <GerardM>	 http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2013/08/using-qualifiers-in-wikidata.html is a lesson I learned today
[22:01:50] <Sky2042>	 GerardM: Though I'm tempted to throw the SOFIXIT ethos at you. :)
[22:02:19] <GerardM>	 <grin> I came up with OmegaWiki years ago so I do and did
[22:02:38] <GerardM>	 what is my blog but reporting on issues ?
[22:03:01] <Sky2042>	 Your blog sometimes tends toward the "this is neat" and less the "this isn't quite right".
[22:03:08] <Sky2042>	 (I read most of them.)
[22:03:50] <GerardM>	 We need more people trying Wikidata
[22:04:05] <Sky2042>	 Not everyone is so experimental as you. :P
[22:04:15] <GerardM>	 telling people what is wrong gets you the negativity of VisualEditor
[22:05:13] <GerardM>	 is there a way to differentiate between use of "precede by" as a statement and as a qualifier ?
[22:05:46] <GerardM>	 the UI of VE is great comparatively
[22:06:03] <Sky2042>	 Yeah, I don't think the devs thought through the distinction between qualification and claim.
[22:06:44] <Sky2042>	 To answer the question, no, there's not.
[22:06:59] <Sky2042>	 I'm pondering the exact same issue with the use of "publication date" for video games.
[22:07:35] <Sky2042>	 -- Noting that some video games have different release dates per region and even per gaming device.
[22:08:04] <Sky2042>	 Better to associate release date as a qualifier to a claim or as the claim to a qualifier?
[22:08:06] <GerardM>	 life cannot be defined neatly in triples :)
[22:10:02] <Sky2042>	 Apparently. :)
[23:26:38] <russavia>	 can someone tell me what the Q id for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evelyn_M%C3%A6rsk is
[23:27:35] <russavia>	 nevermind found it by searching only for "Evelyn"
[23:41:37] <GerardM>	 as it is we do not have thathttp://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5416388 russavia 
[23:41:53] <GerardM>	 russavia: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5416388
[23:45:06] <Lydia_WMDE>	 addshore: i'll be back in the office on wednesday probaby
[23:45:39] <GerardM>	 russavia: it is a bug ... there is only one article and consequently they "do not know there is a Wikidata item for it" (silly buggers)
[23:46:04] <GerardM>	 hoi Lydia_WMDE enjoying yourself :) ?
[23:46:49] <Lydia_WMDE>	 GerardM: jep :)
[23:47:55] <GerardM>	 good :)
[23:48:21] <GerardM>	 am still learning wikidata ... 
[23:48:47] <GerardM>	 but am not convinced I do things optimally
[23:49:48] <Danny_B>	 GerardM! i can't remember when i saw you last time on irc!
[23:50:08] <GerardM>	 :) 
[23:50:36] <GerardM>	 blogged about qualifiers today
[23:50:46] <GerardM>	 http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2013/08/using-qualifiers-in-wikidata.html
[23:51:30] <Danny_B>	 can the properties be shared across projects?
[23:51:42] <GerardM>	 what do you call projects in this ?
[23:52:36] <GerardM>	 if you mean if you can display values from Wikidata in Wikipedia ... yes you can (to some extend)
[23:54:11] <Danny_B>	 i want to display property on other projects, such as wikisource or wikiquote
[23:55:27] <GerardM>	 the problem is that there is no link from wikisource or wikiquote to wikidata and therefore there is no anchor to connect the data to
[23:56:05] <GerardM>	 Technically it can be done but ask Lydia_WMDE for a guestimate when this becomes available
[23:56:42] <GerardM>	 My understanding is that it currently only works on wikipedia and wikitravel
[23:57:32] <Danny_B>	 :-(
[23:57:38] <Danny_B>	 ok, gonna wait
[23:59:00] <GerardM>	 the trick is that if you can define wikisource / wikibooks links to say Shakespeare that are stable, it could be done