[05:43:17] <GerardM>	 good morning
[05:44:27] <GerardM>	 what do you think of  my latest blogpost ? I argue against requiring sources for bots because there is not enough data yet 
[05:45:06] <GerardM>	 http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2013/08/wikidata-needs-more-data-to-be-useful.html
[05:52:48] <GerardM>	 How do you indicate as a qualifier "ad interim" or "temporary" .. instance of ?
[05:59:08] <legoktm>	 GerardM: hmmm
[06:00:17] <legoktm>	 Oh, heh.
[06:00:22] <legoktm>	 I was the one who closed the brfa.
[06:01:35] * legoktm  goes to close the rfc too

[06:07:07] <Hazard-SJ>	 * RFBOT :P this isn't enwiki
[06:07:34] * Hazard-SJ  gets back to coding since he'll have to leave soon

[06:15:52] <legoktm>	 GerardM: take a look at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Sourcing_requirements_for_bots now :)
[06:17:33] <Hazard-SJ>	 legoktm: ice :)
[06:17:36] <Hazard-SJ>	 * nice
[06:19:30] <legoktm>	 phew.
[06:19:37] <legoktm>	 I read through like 10 pages of discussions for that
[06:23:36] <GerardM>	 legoktm: you will find that I voted against
[06:23:50] <legoktm>	 Right....
[06:24:04] <legoktm>	 that's what i closed it as...
[06:28:51] <GerardM>	 legoktm: WONDERFUL
[06:28:59] <legoktm>	 :)
[06:29:24] <GerardM>	 ps did you like my blogpost on the subject ?
[06:30:36] <legoktm>	 i did
[06:31:28] <legoktm>	 hmm https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q191106&diff=prev&oldid=66200960 doesn't show any diff
[06:32:02] <legoktm>	 oh, coordinate change
[06:43:16] <legoktm>	 GerardM: I linked your blog post and magnus's at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Requests_for_comment/Sourcing_requirements_for_bots if you know of any more please add links :)
[06:46:33] <GerardM>	 ::)
[06:47:06] <GerardM>	 PS when you have something interesting ... something deserving attention ... I am happy to blog
[07:39:06] <GerardM>	 legoktm: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:PND/Fehlermeldung/Juni_2013 
[07:39:10] <GerardM>	 oops
[07:39:19] * legoktm  doesnt speak german

[07:39:24] <GerardM>	 http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2013/08/wikidata-needs-more-data-to-be-useful-ii.html
[07:39:38] <legoktm>	 ah
[07:39:39] <GerardM>	 blogged about the bot outcome
[07:39:40] <legoktm>	 :D
[07:40:05] <GerardM>	 <grin> I tried to say that there is enough to do anyway
[07:40:30] <legoktm>	 haha, indeed
[07:41:20] * aude  probably will have a million bot edits by end of the month :)

[07:41:27] <aude>	 trying to add some data
[09:08:40] <aude>	 addshore:  http://test.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges looks fine now
[09:09:05] <aude>	 localisation update was probably not complete when i looked last night
[09:09:11] <addshore>	 ahh! :)
[09:09:24] <aude>	 don't panic :)
[09:24:25] <GerardM>	 right ... as far as I am concerned we need SO many more properties .... I have a direction for thought ...
[09:24:27] <GerardM>	 http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2013/08/wikidata-infoboxes-task-force.html
[09:24:31] <GerardM>	 what do you think ?
[09:30:52] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS6) 10Michał Łazowik: SimpleSiteLink: make badges point to Items [extensions/WikibaseDataModel] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80000 
[09:47:09] <aude>	 when Reedy is around: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/80541/
[09:47:14] <aude>	 url data type on test wikidata
[10:04:24] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Henning Snater: Implemented movetoolbar widget [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80542 
[10:10:25] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Henning Snater: Registered movetoolbar definition for qualifiers [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80543 
[10:19:19] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PD1) 10Addshore: Add index support to createTable [extensions/WikibaseDatabase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80544 
[10:22:55] <addshore>	 Denny_WMDE1: ^^ :)
[10:27:51] <Denny_WMDE1>	 addshore: that's something JeroenDeDauw needs to check out :)
[10:31:20] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Addshore: Add index support to createTable [extensions/WikibaseDatabase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80544 
[10:31:52] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Denny Vrandecic: [C: 031] Add index support to createTable [extensions/WikibaseDatabase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80544 (owner: 10Addshore)
[10:43:24] <Schisma>	 hi
[10:43:31] <legoktm>	 GerardM: agreed. I've been meaning to fix that stuff (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Legoktm/WD:PP_overhaul) but just never got around to it
[10:43:53] <Schisma>	 isn't there a thing like a backreference in wikidata?
[10:44:14] <legoktm>	 Schisma: what do you mean?
[10:44:45] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Henning Snater: toolbarcontroller: Detach event handlers before re-attaching. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/79776 
[10:44:49] <Schisma>	 it should automatically figure out that A -> 'has part' -> B also means B -> 'is part of' -> A
[10:45:35] <legoktm>	 Schisma: that currently isn't set in the software, but we have constraint templates that check that
[10:45:40] <Schisma>	 or A -> 'followed by' -> B also means B -> 'follows on' -> A
[10:46:25] <legoktm>	 i think you're looking for https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:Constraint:Inverse
[10:46:33] <Schisma>	 legoktm: what do you have?
[10:46:46] <Schisma>	 ah, ic
[10:46:54] <Schisma>	 so it could be implemented later?
[10:47:25] <legoktm>	 i doubt it. Denny_WMDE1 doesn't like the idea :P
[10:47:37] <aude>	 heh
[10:47:56] <Schisma>	 I also think there shouldn't be two properties basicly saying the same 
[10:48:05] <legoktm>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint_violations has a list somewhere....
[10:48:05] * tommorris  watches Wikidata recreate RDF some more. ;)

[10:48:19] <Schisma>	 one property with two wordings would be nice
[10:48:42] <Schisma>	 musicbrainz has that
[10:49:31] <Schisma>	 'contains samples of' is the reverse name for 'provided samples for'
[10:52:04] <Schisma>	 and thats pretty smart
[10:57:37] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Henning Snater: "(1 comment)" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/79776 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[11:36:42] <Denny_WMDE1>	 tommorris: that would be OWL, not RDF :)
[11:37:19] <Denny_WMDE1>	 Schisma: as legoktm said, I find the idea of anything inferred at the current state to be premature
[11:37:45] <Denny_WMDE1>	 there are simply too many unresolved issues, that we will only better understand when the project is a bit more mature and settled
[11:38:58] <hoo>	 Lydia_WMDE: Saw your mail... going to have a look at all that later tonight, I have to leave in like 20 minutes
[11:41:05] <Lydia_WMDE>	 hoo: thanks! :)
[11:44:58] <Schisma>	 Denny_WMDE1: I respect that.. and as long as I am able to query the backreference(?) it seems reasonable
[12:22:48] <Denny_WMDE1>	 Schisma: you can. there are three different ways
[12:22:57] <Denny_WMDE1>	 1) download the whole data and do it locally
[12:23:21] <Denny_WMDE1>	 2) use the whatlinkshere module and restrict it to namespace 0. works in most cases
[12:23:44] <Denny_WMDE1>	 3) wait for the Property-Value query that we are currently implementing
[13:33:55] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS5) 10Aude: introduce ChangeLineFormatter in client [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80534 
[13:35:05] <aude>	 doh, supposed to be a draft
[13:36:56] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS6) 10Aude: introduce ChangeLineFormatter in client [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80534 
[13:44:51] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS7) 10Aude: introduce ChangeLineFormatter in client [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80534 
[15:02:29] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Update description in readme and composer.json [extensions/DataTypes] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80567 
[15:02:53] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Denny_WMDE1: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/80567/
[15:03:16] <aude>	 q
[15:05:53] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Denny Vrandecic: [C: 032] Update description in readme and composer.json [extensions/DataTypes] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80567 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw)
[15:06:01] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Update description in readme and composer.json [extensions/DataTypes] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80567 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw)
[17:22:45] <Tpt_>	 Lydia_WMDE: Hi! It looks like the URI type is not proposed by https://test.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:NewProperty
[17:23:05] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Tpt_: urgh!
[17:23:15] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Reedy: aude: ^ any idea?
[17:23:28] <Lydia_WMDE>	 it is listed on the list of supported datatypes
[17:24:26] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Tpt_: thanks for reporting - i hope Reedy can fix it soon
[17:24:58] <Tpt_>	 Lydia_WMDE: Thanks!
[17:36:08] <Tpt_>	 Reedy: The issue is caused by a configuration issue in lib/config/WikibaseLib.default.php
[17:36:25] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Tpt_: i think aude already made a patch for it
[17:36:52] <Tpt_>	 Lydia_WMDE: Ok. Thanks :-)
[17:58:27] <GerardM>	 I really like the paper cuts idea ...
[17:58:35] <GerardM>	 ... thinking cap on
[18:19:34] <Lydia_WMDE>	 JohnLewis or anyone: feel like adding the newest properties to the weekly summary? http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Status_updates/Next
[18:19:46] <Lydia_WMDE>	 the special page showing new pages should help
[18:19:57] <JohnLewis>	 Lydia_WMDE: On it :)
[18:20:08] <Lydia_WMDE>	 \o/
[18:20:26] <JohnLewis>	 Once I finishing reading ANI :p Love the controversy there :p
[18:20:41] <Lydia_WMDE>	 heh
[18:20:47] <Lydia_WMDE>	 what's going on?
[18:21:10] <Lydia_WMDE>	 JohnLewis: adding them as {{p|794}} and so on is enough
[18:21:11] <AsimovBot>	 10[1] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:p?redirect=no - Redirection to 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:Property
[18:21:13] <JohnLewis>	 Lydia_WMDE: Three admins got blocked for editing a sysop protected page.
[18:21:23] <Lydia_WMDE>	 outsch
[18:23:44] <JohnLewis>	 Lydia_WMDE: New properties added August 17th to today I assume.
[18:24:11] <Lydia_WMDE>	 jep
[18:27:19] <JohnLewis>	 Lydia_WMDE: Saving it now...
[18:27:38] <Lydia_WMDE>	 \o/
[18:28:08] <JohnLewis>	 {{done}}
[18:28:08] <AsimovBot>	 How efficient, JohnLewis!
[18:28:23] <Lydia_WMDE>	 :P
[18:28:26] <Lydia_WMDE>	 thanks a bunch
[18:28:35] <JohnLewis>	 Welcome
[18:28:36] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i'm just finishing the dev section
[18:28:43] <Lydia_WMDE>	 if anyone has anything to add please add
[18:28:50] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i'll go home, eat and then send it out
[19:55:28] <GerardM>	 I added five papercuts ... What do you think ? http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Paper_cuts  
[19:56:26] <GerardM>	 a brilliant idea of Lydia_WMDE 
[20:00:08] <hoo>	 :)
[22:56:32] <Sky2042>	 Lydia_WMDE: Paper cuts is going to get swamped. :P
[22:58:09] <JohnLewis>	 Paper cuts will eventually be a paper cut itself :p
[23:31:42] <putnik>	 Hi all. I found a strange thing.
[23:31:59] <putnik>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q9820469 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q13303438
[23:32:31] <putnik>	 Am I right that it's the same category?
[23:32:48] <hoo>	 Yes
[23:33:32] <putnik>	 Ok. I thought that this is impossible.
[23:34:54] <putnik>	 What to do? Simply remove, or is it a bug, and it should be reported?
[23:35:30] <hoo>	 putnik: Deleted the duplicate item, this is bug 42325
[23:35:35] <hoo>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42325
[23:40:06] <putnik>	 Ok, thanks.