[12:33:28] how can i get started with a wikidata site ? i.e. where to begin [12:41:10] metaart: There is https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Introduction for new contributors. [12:41:31] thanks whym_away [12:42:21] no problem [15:03:42] (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Update DataType definition to match what we currently want it to be [DNM] [extensions/DataTypes] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85527 [15:08:51] (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Match DataType updating in DataTypes component [DNM] [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85528 [15:09:57] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Match DataType updating in DataTypes component [DNM] [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85528 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [15:32:23] (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Adding dataTypeId field to PropertyValueSnak [DNM] [extensions/WikibaseDataModel] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85529 [15:32:40] (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Adding dataTypeId field to PropertyValueSnak [DNM] [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85530 [15:33:19] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Adding dataTypeId field to PropertyValueSnak [DNM] [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85530 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [15:34:14] (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Remove some dead code from a test [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85531 [15:46:02] (03PS2) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Adding dataTypeId field to PropertyValueSnak [DNM] [extensions/WikibaseDataModel] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85529 [15:46:09] (03PS2) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Adding dataTypeId field to PropertyValueSnak [DNM] [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85530 [15:46:48] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Adding dataTypeId field to PropertyValueSnak [DNM] [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85530 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [15:51:51] Lydia_WMDE: greetings [15:51:54] you want a food? [15:52:03] JeroenDeDauw: :P [15:52:14] i will leave in a bit i think and get something on the way [15:52:22] or maybe order sushi at home [15:52:51] evil food, ok [15:54:29] yes ;-) [16:06:06] (03PS3) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Adding dataTypeId field to PropertyValueSnak [DNM] [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85530 [16:06:44] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Adding dataTypeId field to PropertyValueSnak [DNM] [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85530 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [16:10:48] (03PS2) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Update DataType definition to match what we currently want it to be [DNM] [extensions/DataTypes] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85527 [16:10:58] (03PS2) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Match DataType updating in DataTypes component [DNM] [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85528 [16:11:46] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Match DataType updating in DataTypes component [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85528 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [16:14:53] (03PS1) 10Nilesh: Revamped the client part of the Java backend. Tests not included. [extensions/WikidataEntitySuggester] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85533 [16:15:51] (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Update Authors section in readme [extensions/WikibaseDatabase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85534 [16:16:47] (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 032] Update Authors section in readme [extensions/WikibaseDatabase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85534 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [16:22:20] (03PS2) 10Nilesh: Revamped the client part of the Java backend. Tests not included. [extensions/WikidataEntitySuggester] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85533 [16:25:30] (03PS1) 10Nilesh: Added tests for the final java backend. [extensions/WikidataEntitySuggester] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85535 [16:28:03] (03PS1) 10Nilesh: Now we have two Myrrix instances with different context paths, for claims and refs respectively. [extensions/WikidataEntitySuggester] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85536 [16:28:40] (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: "I have no additional failures for PHPUnit or QUnit tests compared to master." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85528 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [16:38:38] (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Test logic that was not tested yet [extensions/Ask] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85537 [16:39:08] (03PS3) 10Nilesh: Final wikiparser mapper and reducer modules using classes. Deleted old scripts. [extensions/WikidataEntitySuggester] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84463 [16:54:27] (03PS1) 10Nilesh: Added the old wikiparser InputFormat files to be used with the Python Hadoop scripts. [extensions/WikidataEntitySuggester] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/85539 [18:53:10] Hey. Who's around? [18:54:19] * Sven_Manguard pokes Jasper_Deng and Hahc21 [18:54:30] here [18:54:34] Do you think that the statement "There are two competing philosophies for properties on Wikidata. One philosophy seeks to have as few properties as possible, re-using certain properties like "instance of" and "subclass of". The other philosophy seeks to have one property for every infobox field, avoiding using properties for several different purposes in most cases." is accurate? [18:55:04] I can't comment b/c I haven't been watching most sections of property proposal, but PfD clearly shows it [18:55:21] I think that [18:55:25] What you wrote [18:55:33] depicts the anti and pro p107 fairly well [18:55:34] what is the arguement behind the first philosophy, the reusing instance of one? [18:56:13] My personal argument is that instance of is far more flexible that p107 [18:56:14] because I'm not sure I've ever heard both sides of the argument [18:56:15] avoiding redundancy [18:56:21] oh [18:56:27] exactly [18:56:40] p107 creates unnecesary work [18:56:53] it is an artificial way of organising items that is useless :p [18:57:04] 'instance of' is accurate, and not artificial [19:06:45] legoktm: I need you to ping me as soon as you can, I'd like to ask you about Legoktm's importing capabilities [19:16:39] legoktm: re: above, see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Sven_Manguard#video_game_ratings - ping me and I'll come back on IRC to chat [19:17:25] Sven_Manguard: since I was among the ones who supported it in the beginning, I thought "well, since GND uses it it's good" (and I was awfully wrong) and it will help us to categorise better certain things (and then I found myself unable to define certain things, such as time offsets) [19:18:10] SannitAway: P107? I wasn't asking about P107 really, I was asking about the underlying philosophies behind properties [19:18:19] see the page I linked lego to for background [19:18:39] I thought we were talking about that :D [19:18:53] good gaming :) [19:22:43] Sven Manguard [19:22:54] ping [19:22:54] :p [19:22:54] hi Hahc21 [19:22:58] ok [19:23:09] I'm going to go back to playing Dishonored now [19:23:09] We need to talk about how will we organise ratings [19:23:11] Cheers [19:23:16] Nooooo [19:23:20] I already finished it :p [19:23:22] wait, you want to talk NOW? [19:23:35] Hahc21: I got about halfway in and had to stop. [19:23:41] Well, I want to know your opinion [19:23:54] Read what I linked lego to above [19:24:00] oh, the ending is great but I won't spoil you : [19:24:01] :p [19:24:22] Hahc21: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Sven_Manguard#video_game_ratings [19:24:45] just clicked on it above [19:24:49] * Hahc21 goes to read [19:24:55] * Hahc21 whishes Sven a nice play time [19:25:42] similar properties? [19:25:43] wait [19:25:48] what are we taling about? [19:26:08] oh ratings, not reviews [19:26:12] * Hahc21 facepalms [19:38:41] aude: Could you tell me how I can demo my API extension on the wikidata-testrepo instance? As far as I can understand from http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Extensions just copying the extension PHP files and adding the require_once to LocalSettings.php should do the trick? [19:39:05] aude: Do I need to restart something? [19:45:49] JeroenDeDauw: Can you guide me on this? BTW, WikibaseQuery was a ton of help. :) [21:00:48] hi [21:01:02] is it okay to create items like this: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q13416128 [21:01:02] ? [21:07:53] Schisma_: hi , I think It fulfills #3 criteria of [[WD:N]] [21:07:54] Schisma_ Just saw your question. It's fine [21:07:54] 10[7] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/WD:N?redirect=no - Redirection to 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability [21:08:17] Not sure if the name is right though. [21:08:32] so should i do the same for different editions of the same book as well? [21:08:59] Well, it says in the item that it's the first edition, so I'd remove "1st edition of" personally [21:09:06] but I don't deal with books very much [21:10:15] me too [21:11:03] https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Time_Machine [21:11:37] so 'The Time Machine' has two english editions and at least one german editon [21:12:13] and i think several other languages [21:32:56] so i have a question about acceptable usage policies for wikidata [21:33:18] as in? [21:33:45] if a national library and a national museum were wanting to cross-walk their person authorities, would wikidata be an acceptable tool for them to do that? [21:34:08] and could they create new person entities in wikidata for people who are not in wikipedia [21:35:39] unfortunately it has to be something that's documented on Wikipedia [21:35:46] because we can only accept reliably sourced information [21:36:07] (this is pending a revision of our policy) [21:37:16] and a national authority file is not reliably sourced information? [21:37:38] well, the logic is that if it's reliably sourced it's on Wikipedia [21:37:51] but we do not intend to keep the policy this way forever [21:38:05] when we get verification sorted out we can begin to rely less on Wikipedia [21:38:08] the logic fails for reliable information abotu unimportant people... [21:38:27] where is the actual policy? [21:38:36] WD:Notability [21:38:44] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/WD:N [21:39:58] Jasper_Deng: thanks, that's what I needed. I can work with that [21:44:34] nilesh_: it was a ton of help doing what? [21:45:28] Sven|PingToSpeak: hello [21:45:42] hey legoktm [21:45:54] can you take a look at: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Sven_Manguard#video_game_ratings [21:47:16] i think your answer is correct [21:49:21] thank you [22:07:18] JeroenDeDauw: While writing the API module for the Wikidata Entity Suggester. [22:07:55] JeroenDeDauw: I used it and a 2 other extensions to learn how to write one. [22:24:37] JeroenDeDauw, aude: Can you tell me how doApiRequest() actually works? I'm a bit confused as to how to write tests for my API. I've been studying the unit tests for the Wikibase\ApiGetClaims class in GetClaimsTest.php and I can see a lot of $entity->addClaim going on before a doApiRequest call... What data does doApiRequest operate on? A database? Custom data that I'll have to fill in? [22:27:01] To put it simply at some point in my code there is a function that takes an item and returns the properties used in its claims. It uses the EntityId::newFromId and associated methods to do so. My question is, how do I unit test a function like this? I need to fill a data structure with sample items and claims I guess? How? [23:01:26] (03PS4) 10Nilesh: Final wikiparser mapper and reducer modules using classes. Deleted old scripts. [extensions/WikidataEntitySuggester] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84463 [23:35:04] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Notability_change_for_Commons [23:51:44] !admin somebody can set topic adding Commons is coming on 23 September! https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wikimedia_Commons