[02:21:56] <Sven_Manguard>	 Hey, we have an item for "poem" and an item for "poetry", I assume that I should be using "poem" for P31 (instance of), but "poetry" is used by far more Wikis
[02:22:08] <Sven_Manguard>	 er.. has articles in far more Wikis
[08:29:44] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 032] remove use MWException which is not used [extensions/WikibaseDataModel] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/86439 (owner: 10Aude)
[09:31:50] <GerardM>	 the values are start date, predessesor, end date and successor
[09:32:05] <GerardM>	 they are used extensively in many infoboxes
[09:39:52] <Jasper_Deng_busy>	 GerardM: well, those are multiple claims
[09:40:15] <Jasper_Deng_busy>	 but some properties of an object may have multiple components
[09:40:22] <GerardM>	 they are interrelated
[09:41:30] <GerardM>	 a claim like an "office held" can be repeated many times for many functions
[09:42:02] <JeroenDeDauw>	 lol, a node package with a 1999 copyright
[09:42:22] <GerardM>	 in my opinion, the date of birth, date of death are claims that go with "instance of" "person"
[09:42:32] <GerardM>	 also sex and maybe a few others
[09:43:09] <GerardM>	 spouse could go with a start date, a name change ... children
[09:48:58] <Jasper_Deng_busy>	 this could then be used to make properties of this new data type
[09:49:17] <Jasper_Deng_busy>	 it would save a lot of reprogramming on the PHP level because we could do it on-wiki instead
[09:49:49] <GerardM>	 why program if you can model it with qualifiers ?
[09:51:04] <GerardM>	 what you could do is have preferred statements to go with what is essentially a combination 
[09:51:19] <GerardM>	 is that what you mean /
[09:51:21] <GerardM>	 ?
[10:05:47] <GerardM>	 I know about OOP but I do not see your point when the organisation in code gets in the way of the Wiki approach
[10:06:13] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Lydia_WMDE: so now we need new conspiracy theories involving KDE?
[10:06:31] <GerardM>	 congratulations Lydia_WMDE 
[10:06:40] <Jasper_Deng_busy>	 Would you rather see a long list of qualifiers or one clean name of the datatype?
[10:06:46] <GerardM>	 bossing around both Wikidata and KDE :)
[13:43:45] <DanielK_WMDE>	 aude: can't mnake the 16:30 date with diederik.
[13:43:55] <DanielK_WMDE>	 17:00 would work though
[13:44:03] <aude>	 hmmm
[13:44:18] <aude>	 no point in chatting with him, without you
[13:45:32] <DanielK_WMDE>	 well, i'm no expert on hadoop or myrrix myself
[13:45:38] <aude>	 DanielK_WMDE: can you email him back
[13:45:48] <aude>	 another day is okay too
[15:06:04] <DanielK_WMDE>	 aude: hangout?
[15:06:47] <addshore>	 morning all
[15:07:24] <aude>	 today? now?
[15:07:29] <addshore>	 lazowik: i see you want a review? ;p
[15:16:57] <addshore>	 :O
[15:17:06] <JeroenDeDauw>	 lazowik: that looks older then me
[22:25:01] <legoktm>	 tl;dr