[10:53:13] (03PS1) 10Addshore: Only run setrank tests if experimental is on [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89176 [10:57:16] Hi [10:57:41] I would like to add some data in wikidata in a smart way [10:57:56] but I don't know how [10:58:37] I want to query wikidata and add on the result set (on each of the entry) some new statements. [10:58:57] Any ideas how to do that? [10:59:20] (03PS1) 10Henning Snater: $.ui.suggester: Suppress autocomplete's native blur handling [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89178 [11:00:56] @grrrit-wm: Sorry, I don't understand. Can you explain more? [11:02:31] Is it connected to my question? [11:04:26] Is someone here??? [11:12:39] .. [11:12:46] ... [11:19:12] (03PS1) 10Henning Snater: Raised QUnit timeout [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89182 [11:19:45] (03CR) 10Addshore: [C: 032] Raised QUnit timeout [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89182 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [11:20:46] (03PD10) 10Addshore: Build for mw1.22-wmf21 11:54 11.10.12 >>> DNM! <<< [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/88991 [11:20:57] hashar: ^^ :D got the tests to pass :D [11:21:11] oh my god [11:21:19] now the only issue that remains is the easyrdf submodule not being pulled [11:21:33] is it a submodule of a submodule? [11:21:38] yup [11:22:05] i guess that just cant really happen on gerrit actually..? [11:22:36] *is happy* ;p [11:22:54] now I can work backwards and make builds for previous branches [11:23:04] [11:23:05] Recursively update submodules is unchecked [11:23:11] addshore: so yeah I got the root cause [11:23:14] the git config is invalid [11:23:25] would need to tweak the JJB git macro to recursively update [11:23:32] I can't do it right now, I must go back home [11:23:38] thats fine :) [11:23:42] thanks again :D [11:23:54] addshore: can you fill a bug at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Wikimedia against Contniuous Integration ? [11:24:04] basically stating that git macro should recurse submodules. [11:24:17] will attempt to fix that this afternoon if time allow [11:24:21] okay :) [11:24:33] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Raised QUnit timeout [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89182 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [11:26:04] hashar: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55614 [11:26:06] :> [11:27:21] excellent [11:28:16] addshore: you know want to ping wikitech-l about it [11:28:23] addshore: or at least Sam Reed and Ryan Lane [11:28:34] I don't think sartoris / gitdeploy supports submodules in submodules [11:28:45] and having everything bundled like that has some impacts on WMF deployment [11:28:51] ahh [11:28:53] not wikitech-l [11:28:57] use qa-l :-] [11:29:08] that is the mailing list for release / qa and CI [11:29:10] We havn't managed to have our internal discussion yet, but once we do I will raise this and we will send an email :) [11:29:17] ok ok :-] [11:29:47] addshore: I have enabled the recursion manually [11:29:55] will be removed again whenever we update the job automatically though [11:30:00] tbut that let you test a bit more this aftenroon [11:30:05] okay, thanks! :) [11:30:12] being rebuild at https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/job/mwext-Wikidata-testextensions-master/16/ [11:30:35] rushing out, I am out for most of the afternoon. [11:30:39] see you on monday :-] [11:33:51] worked like a charm :) [11:34:44] (03CR) 10Addshore: "https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/job/mwext-Wikidata-testextensions-master/16/console" [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/88991 (owner: 10Addshore) [11:58:36] (03PD1) 10Addshore: Build for mw1.22-wmf11 13:40 11.10.12 >>> DNM! <<< [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89191 [11:58:37] (03PD1) 10Addshore: Build for mw1.22-wmf14 13:40 11.10.12 >>> DNM! <<< [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89190 [11:58:39] (03PD1) 10Addshore: Build for mw1.22-wmf16 13:40 11.10.12 >>> DNM! <<< [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89189 [11:58:40] (03PD1) 10Addshore: Build for mw1.22-wmf18 13:40 11.10.12 >>> DNM! <<< [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89188 [12:49:12] Tobi_WMDE: http://addshore-repo.instance-proxy.wmflabs.org/index.php/Item:Q3 [12:49:23] http://addshore-repo.instance-proxy.wmflabs.org/ShowWikidataSettings.php [12:49:56] can someone help me with the api action wbsetlabel? [12:50:45] is the documentation at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Wikibase/API#wbsetlabel up to date? [12:51:36] (03PS1) 10Henning Snater: claimview: Re-attaching event listeners when creating qualifiers [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89199 [13:06:48] (03PS11) 10Addshore: Build for mw1.22-wmf21 11:54 11.10.12 >>> DNM! <<< [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/88991 [13:08:03] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Build for mw1.22-wmf21 11:54 11.10.12 >>> DNM! <<< [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/88991 (owner: 10Addshore) [13:09:13] (03PS12) 10Addshore: Build for mw1.22-wmf21 11:54 11.10.12 >>> DNM! <<< [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/88991 [13:11:00] Tobi_WMDE: added the vars [13:11:26] lbenedix: it should be [13:11:36] if not the documentation on the actualy api.php page is [13:12:02] the example in https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php is not working [13:12:33] https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=wbsetlabel&id=Q42&language=en&value=Wikimedia&format=jsonfm [13:12:37] what error do you get? [13:13:52] token_suffix_mismatch [13:14:17] are you using api snadbox? [13:15:25] Abraham_WMDE1: paying twice as much as me for the same thing ;p [13:15:56] lbenedix: token format should be d36a8dba1105b7bb6f51567068f10639+\ [13:15:57] Abraham_WMDE1: Tobi_WMDE: they sell those vienna cookies in the cookie machines in the ubahn stations [13:16:08] JeroenDeDauw: :D [13:16:26] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox#action=query&prop=info&format=json&intoken=edit&titles=Q42 [13:16:36] there are two \ in the end [13:16:52] use https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox#action=tokens&format=json&type=edit [13:16:58] the first \ delimits the second \ [13:17:05] hence you only need to copy a single \ :) [13:17:06] JeroenDeDauw: if you order one or two tons of thme (like Abraham_WMDE1) then they're cheaper.. :-D [13:17:36] works [13:17:39] great [13:17:41] =] [13:17:57] addshore: works! \o/ [13:18:01] :D [13:18:27] is there also a query api? [13:18:38] lbenedix: to do what exactly? :) [13:19:08] Give me all Items with source=Foobar [13:19:21] not yet :/ [13:19:30] all Items with claims with source=... [13:19:38] but soon? [13:21:50] hmmm... I removed the label from Q42... that was not what I expected to do with setlabel [13:22:15] what params did you pass it? [13:22:28] id, language, title, token [13:22:49] title is wrong [13:22:58] setlabel expects a value parameter [13:23:00] ohh... its value [13:23:03] there is no title ;p [13:23:39] they are back [13:24:42] (03CR) 10Addshore: [C: 032] Add index rem and add exceptions [extensions/WikibaseDatabase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89135 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [13:24:46] (03CR) 10Addshore: [C: 032] Implement index modification methods in MediaWikiSchemaModifier [extensions/WikibaseDatabase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89136 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [13:24:49] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Add index rem and add exceptions [extensions/WikibaseDatabase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89135 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [13:24:55] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Implement index modification methods in MediaWikiSchemaModifier [extensions/WikibaseDatabase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89136 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [13:25:54] Abraham_WMDE1: Tobi_WMDE: I only got one email! http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/026/d/8/Son__I_am_Disappoint_by_SonIAmDisappointPLZ.jpg [13:26:05] can you explain to me what the edit token is? [13:26:21] it is a property of my user, right? [13:26:29] or my session [13:26:31] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Edit_token ;p [13:28:01] okay [13:28:46] JeroenDeDauw: is this Siebrand? [13:32:22] hi, i would like to create an objects, but i don't understand howto enter a statement [13:37:52] it seems properties are somehow predefined [13:37:59] how do i define one? [13:40:01] arved: take a look at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Property#Property [13:43:41] hm it seems there is not yet a property for "number of members" of an organization, or "number of users" of a website [13:44:26] the numbers datatype isnt ready yes :) hence there are no statements or claims with numbers as values [13:44:47] so what can i do? do i have to wait? [13:45:10] numbers are currently in the pipeline and we will / should see them around the end of the month (potentially) [13:46:09] hm ok, so i have to wait... [13:46:14] or is there a workaround? [13:46:33] not really [13:46:57] your best bet to find out what is happening and how to do what you want is to post on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat [= [13:47:39] (03PS1) 10Henning Snater: claimgrouplabelscroll: Prevent running in error [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89208 [13:47:57] is there an easy way to add a label via javascript [13:48:46] lbenedix1: there is a javascript api somewhere (although i dont know all of our javascript too well) [13:49:37] I think it is called RepoApi and is somewhere [13:49:44] and it has methods similar to in api.php [13:55:53] does the inclusion syntax already work? [13:56:31] on wikipedia articles? :) [13:56:45] yes [13:56:50] yup :0 [13:56:51] :) [13:57:00] but not like it is written in the docu [13:57:26] which page are you looking at? [13:57:53] i tried {{#property:URL}} and {{#property:P854}} both did not work [13:58:10] on what article? [13:58:19] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeWelcome [13:59:35] it seems to work fine for me :/ [13:59:44] {{#property:P854}} [14:00:46] hm..ok i pasted yours and it works..maybe a glitch in the matrix [14:01:15] morning DanielK_WMDE [14:01:20] is the wikidatawiki-20130922-pages-articles.xml.bz2 dump containing the full history of all 'articles'? [14:01:28] hey [14:02:32] lbenedix1: that is Articles, templates, media/file descriptions, and primary meta-pages. [14:02:37] lbenedix1: No history [14:02:48] Thank you! [14:02:57] 2013-10-11 00:29:17 done All pages with complete edit history (.7z) [14:02:57] wikidatawiki-20131006-pages-meta-history.xml.7z 5.3 GB [14:03:19] what size is that when decompressed? [14:05:00] Reedy: care to comment on a proposed build step resulting repo / commit? https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/88991/ [14:05:32] * DanielK_WMDE hates setting up a working environment from scratch [14:05:34] * DanielK_WMDE is getting there [14:05:51] haha [14:09:05] (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 032] Simplify FieldDefinition constructor [extensions/WikibaseDatabase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89161 (owner: 10Addshore) [14:10:46] JeroenDeDauw: score went up by 0.01 ;p [14:12:20] JeroenDeDauw: why not also turn the scrutinizer coverage stats on? [14:13:21] hello [14:15:53] Jest jakis polak [14:21:05] (03PS1) 10Addshore: Add a .scrutinizer.yml [extensions/WikibaseDatabase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89217 [14:21:11] JeroenDeDauw: ^^ [14:31:39] (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 032] "(1 comment)" [extensions/WikibaseDatabase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89162 (owner: 10Addshore) [14:33:06] (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 032] Add a .scrutinizer.yml [extensions/WikibaseDatabase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89217 (owner: 10Addshore) [14:33:08] (03CR) 10Addshore: "(1 comment)" [extensions/WikibaseDatabase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89162 (owner: 10Addshore) [14:35:30] (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: [C: 032] Only run setrank tests if experimental is on [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89176 (owner: 10Addshore) [14:38:24] (03CR) 10Aude: "this is in the direction I think we should go, at least initially :) Not looked at this in detail, though." [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/88991 (owner: 10Addshore) [14:38:55] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Only run setrank tests if experimental is on [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89176 (owner: 10Addshore) [14:39:03] thanks addshore for working on that [14:39:31] np :) thanks hasher as well :) we spent a while fixing a few things :P [14:40:23] can look at this in detail on monday and try it [14:40:55] everything seems to work fine :) test instance running it as an extension at addshore-repo.instance-proxy.wmflabs.org [14:41:12] tobi also tested it and has it on his box :) [14:41:25] cool [14:41:31] simple enough i think [14:42:59] addshore: doing the coverage thing is not trivial for MW extensions [14:43:16] You can turn it on for wbdb I guess [14:43:21] For the tests that do not need MW [14:43:45] addshore: then its going to be less accurate then the coveralls.io stats tho [14:44:13] (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: [C: 04-1] "(5 comments)" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89025 (owner: 10Addshore) [14:47:15] (03CR) 10Addshore: "(3 comments)" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89025 (owner: 10Addshore) [14:49:24] (03PS2) 10Henning Snater: introduces mw.ext.wikibase, wikibase.repo and wikibase.repo.fetchedEntities [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89109 (owner: 10Daniel Werner) [14:49:31] aude: ping [14:54:55] (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 04-1] "(4 comments)" [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/88771 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [14:56:01] hi pragunbhutani [14:56:30] aude: I was going to send in my files for GSoC code submission [14:56:38] ok [14:56:39] should I mail a copy to you before I upload them to melange? [14:56:51] i think not necessary [14:56:59] (03PS3) 10Henning Snater: introduces mw.ext.wikibase, wikibase.repo and wikibase.repo.fetchedEntities [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89109 (owner: 10Daniel Werner) [14:57:03] okay, so I'll give you a gist of what I've put there [14:57:13] 1) all the files from the extension I created [14:57:23] ok [14:57:38] 2) The files involved in the patch that created ClaimHtmlGenerator [14:57:47] alright [14:58:01] which are ClaimHtmlGenerator.php, EntityView.php and Wikibase.classes.php [14:58:14] but I've also indicated that those files were a part of the source already [14:58:17] ok [14:58:18] and I've only modified them [14:58:35] right [14:58:43] also the designs? [14:58:49] (03CR) 10Addshore: "(3 comments)" [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/88771 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [14:58:50] (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 031] "Code looks ok. Not fully sure on the functional change though. This drops a constraint from the domain model which was put there on purpos" [extensions/WikibaseDataModel] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89015 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [14:58:54] oh yes, I had forgotten those [14:59:51] also, i was thinking, over the weekend I'm going to sit and try and solve the last part [14:59:52] (03PS3) 10Addshore: Update gitignore. [extensions/WikibaseQuery] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/88966 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [14:59:53] claim html [15:00:10] and I'll put down all things that I can understand in a mail to you (or the mailing list?) [15:00:15] and maybe you could fill in the gaps? [15:02:51] that way I could get the last bit done and we could have a working skin [15:03:01] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Update gitignore. [extensions/WikibaseQuery] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/88966 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [15:06:54] pragunbhutani: would be great [15:07:07] aude: okay awesome! I'll do so :) [15:23:04] JohnLewis around? :P [15:24:38] addshore: Yes [15:24:58] its weekly summary time ;p [15:25:38] addshore: I know :p I am starting to take a look artound the places Lydia told me to look. :p [15:32:24] hey! [15:55:58] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3469044 [15:56:24] did i use 'end date' in the intended way? [15:58:30] Schisma_ I do not think so .... It does not make sense ... the series is seen in many parts of the world at different times [15:59:23] seen? [15:59:37] its about the episode being one of the lost ones [16:00:12] until this month [16:09:52] Schisma_: probably best to ask on the project chant page [16:11:03] howdy addshore! [16:11:47] howdy lazowik [16:20:21] what nick does JAn_Dudík use? [16:20:33] i think i have seen him in ir [16:20:36] *irc [16:23:33] @seen JAn_Dudik [16:23:33] Base: I have never seen JAn_Dudik [16:24:12] @seenrx [Jj][Aa]n[-_][Dd]ud[íi]k [16:24:12] Permission denied [16:29:54] @seenrx [Jj][Aa]n[-_][Dd]ud[íi]k [16:29:54] addshore: I have never seen [Jj][Aa]n[-_][Dd]ud[íi]k [16:39:40] (03PS1) 10Henning Snater: (hotfix) SiteLinksEditTool: Address correct scope [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89232 [16:43:38] (03CR) 10Addshore: [C: 032] (hotfix) SiteLinksEditTool: Address correct scope [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89232 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [16:47:20] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: (hotfix) SiteLinksEditTool: Address correct scope [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89232 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [17:30:20] JohnLewis: hey, I don't think that // links for blogs are a right thing to do (in summary) [17:31:14] int events/press/blogs the first doesn't support https at all and second has a untrusted certificate [17:31:15] lazowik: Tbh, I was just doing what Lydia did. [17:31:41] lazowik: Hm? [17:32:10] JohnLewis: just try clicking on them while being on https on meta [17:32:20] Oh :/ [17:44:07] JohnLewis: ok, corrected, just remember to check in the future ;) [17:45:03] anyways it's great you've decided to do summaries :) [17:49:06] lazowik: I'll make sure in future :) It is the first time doing it so expect at least one issue since it is all a learning experience :p [17:49:38] sure [17:50:33] Also it is good I did, Lydia said if anyone else showed interest, she'll tell me and no one else did so yeah :p If I didn't do it, no summary unless addshore did it :p [17:54:33] mhm [18:02:46] JohnLewis: all done? :P [18:02:55] hit any snags? [18:04:38] addshore: Nope. lazowik pointed something out which I will obviously learn from but all good. [18:04:49] *Nope in regards to snags. All done :p [18:04:56] ahh okay :) [18:05:09] didnt have any problems with the bot? :) [18:05:27] Not at all. [18:05:34] =] [18:05:57] :) Now, Let's see what Lydia has to say when she updates all the social networks :p [18:06:18] :) [18:06:24] awesome, well, im off home than ;D [18:06:31] addshore: Cya! [18:26:33] (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: "Should this be abandoned?" [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84016 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [18:44:47] how do I get the complete raw text of a wikidata item? [18:45:45] lbenedix: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntityData/Q12345.json [18:46:28] lbenedix1 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntityData/Q12345.json [18:46:49] that is the text like it is saved in the database? [18:47:28] an alias to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q42?action=raw would be cool... [18:47:47] hi [18:47:50] lbenedix1: If you want the JSON that's actually in the DB: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Export/Q12345 [18:48:07] I renomed an article name on fr.wikipedia, for typo reason, from AllWinner to Allwinner [18:48:08] I'm not sure where exactly the differences are (if any) [18:48:22] and now I can't change the entry on wiki data : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2260528#sitelinks-wikipedia [18:48:25] popolon: And it didn't populate to wikidata? [18:48:40] it should automagically populate now ? [18:48:57] in fact, the destination name was a #REDIRECT [18:49:12] and it seems that this cas is not well managed by wikidata [18:49:18] I tried to delete the fr: entry [18:49:22] and recreate it [18:49:37] but it doesn't allow to use Allwinner and only propose AllWinner [18:49:38] :D [18:49:58] thx hoo [18:50:30] popolon, Wikidata does not allow for redirects [18:50:37] popolon: The item seems correct to me [18:50:45] it links to https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allwinner_A1X [19:06:38] (03Abandoned) 10Daniel Kinzler: Make QuantityValue use decimal notation [DNM]. [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84016 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [19:08:22] (03Abandoned) 10Daniel Kinzler: Make the EntityId in Claim GUIDs case-insensitive. [extensions/WikibaseDataModel] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/88770 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [19:28:17] (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: "@jeroen: there was no uniqueness constraint enforced on the hashes before either: in the constructor of the old version there is:" [extensions/WikibaseDataModel] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89015 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [20:01:05] hi. [20:01:25] from #wikipedia: < JHoglund> I am trying to create a link from the English article "Nutmeg" to the Swedish "Muskotnöt" in the language bar, but Wikipedia gives an error referencing an entry at Wikidata with taxonomy information about the species of plant. What to do? [20:01:52] I also tried to do it, and also received an error. why is that? [20:02:21] BTW - why do I have to agree to CC0 license, when edititng language links? [20:02:36] BartlomiejB: Due to Wikidata licensing :p [20:02:43] btw; Looking at that now. [20:03:59] BartlomiejB: It is a redirect. The link's redirect target it being used at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2724976. [20:05:39] JohnLewis: OK, so how to fix that? [20:06:15] it is more complicated than just en and sv [20:06:31] there are many more articles connected in either link [20:07:23] JohnLewis: BTW - I tried to add link to pl.wiki (ie. en:Nutmeg -> pl:Muszkatołowiec korzenny) but received the same error. :/ [20:07:55] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2724976 connects many articles ... probably also the Polish article [20:08:58] BartlomiejB: pl is already a direct link. The sv case is a local matter. If that community want to have one article for the scientific aspect and a redirect for nutmeg, then there is nothing that can be done Wikidata wise really. [20:08:59] GerardM: yes, it does. but it doesn't answer the question - how to add links to sv and pl from en:Nutmeg? [20:09:30] BartlomiejB: Short answer: pl exists already. sv is a redirect and is a local matter about article content. [20:09:55] longer answer is that they may need to be merged [20:10:30] JohnLewis: "pl exists already" -- hmm? I don't see link to Polish version on en:Nutmeg. [20:10:47] hoo|away, thanks :) [20:10:47] BartlomiejB: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2724976 [20:11:01] (sorry I was called for other thing) [20:11:39] Nutmeg is the common name, the above item is the scientific/biological name and seems to be the most popular article for wikis to have. [20:13:59] JohnLewis: that's all nice, but I want to know what to do to add a link to pl.wiki on en:Nutmeg. could you answer that question? [20:14:43] BartlomiejB: You can't. The pl link is used on the biological item which is AFAIK, correct. [20:17:38] well, that sucks, then. how can one click-through from en:Nutmeg to pl:Muszkatołowiec korzenny (which is about the same, more or less)? [20:29:46] how and by whom it was decided that the only acceptable license for links is CC0? [20:30:55] does this license covers everything that is on wikidata.org or only links? [20:33:46] BTW - I skimmet through FAQ linked in topic. it doesn't answer this question. [20:33:55] s/skimmet/skimmed/ [20:35:27] BartlomiejB: it covers everything in the item namespace and property namespace [20:35:34] which includes interwiki links [20:35:45] the rationale for CC0 is so that everything will truly be free [20:36:42] thanks for answer. how can I find answer for the first question: how and by whom it was decided that the only acceptable license for links is CC0? [20:37:47] I'm not sure. Lydia_WMDE might know? [20:38:27] legoktm: by "truly free" you mean that big corporations (like Google) can use it without even providing attributions, right? [20:38:36] yes [20:38:38] anyone [20:38:46] that's not cool. [20:38:52] I disagree [20:39:06] I don't get any money for my work on Wikimedia project. [20:39:10] The whole goal of the Wikimedia movement is to provide knowledge to anyone [20:39:13] Neither do I [20:39:16] s/project/projects/ [20:39:46] This just makes it even easier to reuse, and means the data will go even farther [20:39:59] but I want to be known as an author, if someone uses stuff that I (co)created. [20:40:40] I guess that would be nice, but not necessarily crucial to the mission imo. [20:41:42] legoktm: there is a reason why Wikipedia is not on CC0, don't you think? [20:42:41] Because it wouldn't be feasible to get every single contributor to Wikipedia to agree to relicense their work as CC0 [20:43:09] legoktm: you think that's the only reason? [20:43:32] I also think there is a difference between written prose and structured data [20:43:44] both culturally and technically [20:46:43] BTW: "it wouldn't be feasible to get every single contributor to Wikipedia to agree to relicense their work as CC0" - it already happened in case of language links (moved from wikitext [licensed not on CC0] to wikidata [licensed on CC0], and I am outraged. [20:47:27] I guess that's only the beginning, and next steps will involve also relicensing of content. [20:49:57] Except do interlanglinks meet the threshold of originality for copyrightability? It could be argued both ways. [20:51:18] oh, of course that all that happens could be argued in favor of big multinational corporations. they have money and a lot of lawyers. I - on the other hand - have neither. [20:53:32] BartlomiejB: the reason why CC-0 is selected for Wikidata is because you cannot license facts [20:53:55] the aim of the WMF is to share the sum of all knowledge ... that is what we do [20:55:45] GerardM: I doubt that Wikipedia would be such successfull project if its license was CC0 from the beginning. think about it. [20:57:36] wikipedia is not data .. [20:57:48] it is prose [20:58:13] and prose is a data, too. [20:59:11] people added interwiki links when editing whole text - licensed NOT on CC0. [20:59:21] this is an enormous work. [20:59:49] the amount of work in the text was as big and more problematic [21:00:07] and now someone decided that that work doesn't even require mentioning of authors of this work. not cool in my book. [21:00:29] it is registered [21:00:36] so you are wrong at that [21:00:51] no, I am not wrong. [21:04:10] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q83165&action=history [21:05:34] GerardM: it doesn't include authors of original work (on Wikipedias). first revision is by MerlIwBot. [21:06:09] also, it is not required by whoever wants to use it to mention authors (because it is on CC0). [21:17:12] BartlomiejB: look at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q15057711 [21:17:32] its relevance is NOT in the item but in its use [21:17:41] and I created it [21:18:16] relevant in Wikidata are the items and the statements ... the interwikilinks give it cloud [21:19:09] BartlomiejB: sometimes I use Commons pictures ... the way I attribute is good enough for me [21:19:45] thinking that claiming attribution is important is embarking on a fools job [21:19:57] the point is in that nobody can claim copyright [21:20:17] when they do, it hurts them to have to attribute [21:27:01] GerardM: I am not sure what you want to say, but I am not going to contribute to wikidata, and I am going to discourage anyone who wants to listen to do it, because the license is CC0. [21:28:06] That seems pretty silly [21:28:15] All because you aren't being attributed? [21:28:16] it is really simple: I am not going to work for Google and other multinationals for free. somehow they're not going license all theit stuff on CC0. [21:28:31] why should I, then? [21:28:37] I think you're missing the point of the Wikimedia movement then. [21:28:46] To spread knowledge freely. [21:28:58] according to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/FAQ Google is one of the sponsors of the project. [21:29:58] Google sponsors a lot of things. [21:30:03] having an enormous factual database without strings attached, is their wet dream, I'm sure. [21:30:13] They already have freebase ;) [21:30:32] legoktm: hmm? what do you mean by that? [21:31:01] http://www.freebase.com/ [21:31:34] I think there are a ton more people out there who would love a factual db with no strings attached. [21:31:37] Me for one :P [21:33:28] I have worked in projects for many years inside and outside of WMF.. as it is, we provide value that is monetised in billions dollars worth [21:33:29] legoktm: what is the practical difference for you between such db on CC-BY-SA instead of CC0? [21:34:07] you can not copyright facts [21:34:16] I can reuse the data for whatever I want [21:34:18] we cannot claim cc-by-sa [21:34:29] I've already used it in school projects and stuff [21:34:34] it is not ours to claim [21:35:23] legoktm: cool. but what is the practical difference for you between content on CC-BY-SA instead of CC0? [21:35:37] prose and data [21:35:42] GerardM: "you can not copyright facts" - Wikipedia prose is just collection of facts. [21:35:50] no it is not [21:35:54] GerardM: yes, it is. [21:36:36] are you a lawyer ? [21:37:19] no, I am not, thank goodness. [21:37:34] then do not presume that you know what you are talking about [21:37:47] are you a lawyer? [21:38:06] I have discussed this for several projects with lawyers [21:38:12] then do not presume that you know what you are talking about [21:38:18] you see, I can play this game, too. [21:38:25]