[05:20:38] <GerardM>	 http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2013/10/statistics-for-wikidata.html
[05:31:12] <GerardM>	 the lack of labels has me really worried
[05:32:16] <GerardM>	 it should be really easy to populate them by bot 
[05:32:57] <GerardM>	 it would be a matter of using the title of the Wikipedia article for  the label
[05:33:12] <GerardM>	 that is better I think than no label
[08:42:59] <hashar>	 anyone alive in Germany ?   I will be upgrading Jenkins monday 21st at 8:00 UTC (10am CET). https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deployments&diff=86281&oldid=86280
[08:43:03] <hashar>	 jobs will be LOST : /
[08:43:15] <hashar>	 will ping you over IRC when I start
[09:02:36] <addshore>	 hashar: ? :O
[09:02:47] <hashar>	 addshore: that is on monday
[09:02:57] <hashar>	 addshore: we are running Jenkins Long Term Support release
[09:03:02] <hashar>	 they got a new release out a few days ago
[09:03:07] <hashar>	 so will upgrade our installation
[09:03:10] <hashar>	 ~ 2 hours downtime
[09:03:25] <addshore>	 hehe, was going to talk about something else ;p
[09:08:35] <addshore>	 how does jenkins handle the extensions.git repo? :>
[09:09:14] * Jasper_Deng  wonders if addshore got his memo

[09:09:36] <addshore>	 I just did :P
[09:09:46] <hashar>	 addshore: what do you mean with extensions.git ? 
[09:09:49] <hashar>	 it is manually maintained
[09:10:09] <hashar>	 whenever an extension is added in gerrit we have to add it to mediawiki/extensions.git by running sync-from-gerrit.py
[09:10:10] <addshore>	 really? :O
[09:10:18] <hashar>	 that ls-projects and git add the submodule for us
[09:10:21] <addshore>	 ahh, I mean the auto updating for each commit
[09:10:25] <hashar>	 ah
[09:10:29] <hashar>	 that is handled by Gerrit directly
[09:10:34] <hashar>	 no clue how that works exactly
[09:10:35] <addshore>	 how? :D
[09:10:38] <addshore>	 haha
[09:11:01] <hashar>	 basically, Gerrit mysteriously manage to find out that mediawiki/extensions/Foobar.git is registered in mediawiki/extensions.git and update submodule pointer
[09:11:04] <hashar>	 branch = .
[09:11:10] <hashar>	 that is the submodule config in mw/ext.git
[09:11:19] <hashar>	 a trick that instruct Gerrit to update automatically
[09:11:29] <hashar>	 ^demon / qchris would know the details probably
[09:11:46] <addshore>	 so in theroy if I adda .submodules with the branch pointing to '.' it might auto update? :P
[09:16:56] <addshore>	 Gerrit supports a custom git superproject feature for tracking submodules.
[09:16:57] <addshore>	 This feature is useful for automatic updates on superprojects whenever
[09:16:57] <addshore>	 a change is merged on tracked submodules hehe bingo
[09:33:55] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Draft3) 10Addshore: Start Wikidata Superproject [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90512 
[09:39:38] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Addshore: Start Wikidata Superproject [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90512 
[09:40:21] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Draft4) 10Addshore: Start Wikidata Superproject [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90512 
[09:40:25] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Draft1) 10Addshore: Start Wikidata Superproject [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90512 
[09:40:29] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Draft2) 10Addshore: Start Wikidata Superproject [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90512 
[09:40:35] <rschen7754|away>	 superproject!
[09:48:50] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032] Start Wikidata Superproject [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90512 (owner: 10Addshore)
[09:49:52] <addshore>	 rschen7754|away: superproject indeed ;p
[09:50:36] <rschen7754|away>	 :D
[09:52:39] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Start Wikidata Superproject [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90512 (owner: 10Addshore)
[09:52:58] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032 V: 032] Updated Ruby gems [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90321 (owner: 10Zfilipin)
[09:53:33] <addshore>	 https://git.wikimedia.org/summary/mediawiki%2Fextensions%2FWikidata
[09:58:42] <addshore>	 hashar: any idea if there is a way to make jenkins trigger tests for this fancy gerrit superproject thing? :P https://git.wikimedia.org/summary/mediawiki%2Fextensions%2FWikidata
[10:00:02] <Tobi_WMDE>	 addshore: ping
[10:19:41] <hashar>	 addshore: don't we have jobs for Wikidata already ?
[10:19:50] <hashar>	 https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/job/mwext-Wikidata-testextensions-master/
[10:19:59] <hashar>	 bah test is even passing hehe
[10:20:01] <addshore>	 yes, but they dont run when gerrit does its super secret updating of the submodules :P
[10:20:18] <addshore>	 No idea if there is any way to make them run as gerrit does everything internally
[10:20:38] <hashar>	 we might receives event whens oemthing happens in mediawiki/extensions.git
[10:20:39] <addshore>	 might just have to setup a set of travis tests for it instead so when github gets updated something will run
[10:20:40] <hashar>	 not sure though
[11:42:36] <lbenedix>	 is it not possible to change the language without being logged in?
[11:51:10] <GerardM>	 Hoi lbenedix ... it is possible the tool to do this is on the left hand side
[11:53:49] <GerardM>	 Hoi, is it possible to put all the identifiers of external resources in a group ?
[12:08:01] <lbenedix>	 its not done with the ULS-thing at the top of the site?
[12:15:14] <GerardM>	 It is ULS ...
[12:15:28] <GerardM>	 this has gone to the sidebar in many instances
[12:15:45] <GerardM>	 Do not ask me I am not the usability expert :)
[13:57:55] <lbenedix>	 what is the query-namespace?
[14:01:18] <GerardM>	 lbenedix: not implemented yet
[14:01:26] <GerardM>	 ie not functional
[16:28:11] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] JeroenDeDauw/WikidataBuilder#71 (nosource - decb48a : jeroendedauw): The build passed.
[16:28:11] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/JeroenDeDauw/WikidataBuilder/commit/decb48a161de
[16:28:11] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/JeroenDeDauw/WikidataBuilder/builds/12725398
[17:19:03] <liangent>	 I wonder whether this is some correct code, from both technical and logical views: http://pastebin.com/2w0EbQ2j
[17:20:27] <liangent>	 $claim->getMainSnak()->getPropertyId()->equals( $existingClaim->getMainSnak()->getPropertyId() ), of course
[17:42:04] <lbenedix>	 where can I find documentation about what exactly you are saving in the text table?
[17:42:40] <lbenedix>	 there is a difference between: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntityData/Q42.json and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Export/Q42
[17:44:48] <lazowik>	 lbenedix: you mean what's actually in the database?
[17:44:55] <lbenedix>	 yepp
[17:45:28] <lazowik>	 lbenedix: that's https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Export/Q42
[17:45:53] <lbenedix>	 I want to understand this
[17:46:24] <lbenedix>	 what is this             "g": "q42$39F4DE4F-C277-449C-9F99-512350971B5B",
[17:46:50] <lazowik>	 that's a guid
[17:47:10] <lazowik>	 lbenedix: [[:en:Globally_unique_identifier]]
[17:47:13] <AsimovBot>	 10[1] 10https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globally_unique_identifier
[17:47:19] <lbenedix>	 what are this arrays like "m": ["value",21,"wikibase-entityid",{...}]
[17:47:55] <lazowik>	 lbenedix: well that's the fromat used internally by software
[17:48:06] <lazowik>	 what is your exact need?
[17:48:14] <lbenedix>	 and I'd like to know why this is there
[17:48:28] <lbenedix>	 I want to make some analysis on the dumps
[17:48:43] <lazowik>	 lbenedix: ough, then use https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntityData/Q42.json 
[17:48:48] <lazowik>	 that's an external serialization
[17:48:53] <lazowik>	 which is stable
[17:49:01] <lbenedix>	 and how do I create this from the dumps?
[17:49:04] <lazowik>	 the internal (what is in the db) can change
[17:49:34] <lazowik>	 lbenedix: to be hones I haven't played with dumps yet
[17:49:38] <lbenedix>	 there is no datamodel?
[17:49:40] <lazowik>	 lemme check
[17:49:44] <lbenedix>	 no documentation?
[17:50:41] <lbenedix>	 there are many "q": [],
[17:50:48] <lbenedix>	 empty arrays
[17:50:48] <lazowik>	 Lydia_WMDE: ^ ?
[17:51:17] <lazowik>	 lbenedix: that's in export
[17:51:23] <lbenedix>	 yes
[17:51:39] <lbenedix>	 I think that is what can be found in the text table in mysql
[17:52:44] <lazowik>	 lbenedix: and dumps have plain db format?
[17:52:59] <lazowik>	 yep
[17:53:03] <lazowik>	 just plain dumps
[17:53:17] <lazowik>	 !team
[17:53:35] <JohnLewis>	 lazowik: Hm?
[17:53:45] <lazowik>	 lbenedix asking about dumps
[17:53:57] <JohnLewis>	 team pings administrators.
[17:54:01] <lbenedix>	 I'm asking about the datamodel and documentation
[17:54:05] <lazowik>	 ough
[17:54:06] <lazowik>	 really?
[17:54:12] <lazowik>	 couterintuitive
[17:54:16] <lazowik>	 sorry :p
[17:54:33] <JohnLewis>	 'Use !_admin or !_team to get the attention of an administrator' :p
[17:54:37] <lazowik>	 yep
[17:54:53] <JohnLewis>	 Why we have it there, I don't know.
[17:58:29] <lazowik>	 JeroenDeDauw: around?
[17:59:38] <lbenedix>	 The most confuing things are the "refs" arrays...
[18:00:00] <lbenedix>	 "refs": [ [[foo,bar,{}]],[...] ]
[18:00:01] <AsimovBot>	 Caracteres inválidos en el enlace «foo,bar,{}»; no están permitidos: <>[]{}
[18:00:38] <lbenedix>	 Okay... I'll be afk some time
[18:09:06] <GerardM>	 Good evening :)
[18:15:50] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS7) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Install and update the store when needed [extensions/WikibaseQuery] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/88753 
[18:15:54] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS7) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Update docs and @since tags [extensions/WikibaseQuery] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/88739 
[18:16:00] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS8) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Install and update the store when needed [extensions/WikibaseQuery] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/88753 
[18:16:34] <JeroenDeDauw>	 lazowik: reporting live from th little old country of Belgium!
[18:16:41] <liangent>	 addshore: if you consider it a bug and want to fix it:  http://pastebin.com/TGzKALwR
[18:16:51] <lazowik>	 JeroenDeDauw: whoa!
[18:17:01] <JeroenDeDauw>	 addshore: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!
[18:17:19] <lazowik>	 dumps are avaible only in internal serialization?
[18:17:22] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Update docs and @since tags [extensions/WikibaseQuery] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/88739 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw)
[18:17:25] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS5) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Update gitignore. [extensions/WikibaseQuery] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/88966 
[18:17:26] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Install and update the store when needed [extensions/WikibaseQuery] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/88753 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw)
[18:17:32] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Update gitignore. [extensions/WikibaseQuery] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/88966 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw)
[18:18:56] <lazowik>	 JeroenDeDauw: ^
[18:19:32] <lazowik>	 :)
[18:19:50] <lazowik>	 !_delete team ?
[18:20:06] <lazowik>	 nah, people might be used to that
[18:20:19] <GerardM>	 !_build DREAM_Team
[18:20:25] <lazowik>	 :D
[18:21:51] <JohnLewis>	 rschen7754|away: Thanks :p
[18:22:50] <JohnLewis>	 lazowik: We could use !WikidataLazyDevelopersWhoRarelyUseIRCExceptWhenDiscussingACodeUpdateOrGoing'Thatsnotme!'
[18:22:51] <JohnLewis>	 :p
[18:23:14] * lazowik  puts that into evernote

[18:23:36] <JohnLewis>	 :p
[18:24:32] <JohnLewis>	 And replace !_admin with !LetsPingOnlyThreeAdminsBecauseTheRestAreAway,Don'tUseIRCOrBeingDesysop'dNextWeekForInactivity :D
[18:25:03] <JohnLewis>	 rschen7754|away^ Make those changes ;)
[18:25:28] <JeroenDeDauw>	 JohnLewis: you seem to not undertsand that we are all very busy browsing the interwebs watching lolcats
[18:25:57] <JohnLewis>	 JeroenDeDauw: Oh sorry :/ Add that into the stalk word too.
[18:26:06] <lazowik>	 GerardM: ah, found it! (re dreamteam) http://lo3szopki.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/dreamteam.png
[18:26:50] <lazowik>	 http://ioi.eduardische.com/people/1071
[18:34:35] <JeroenDeDauw>	 addshore: you here?
[18:35:15] <JeroenDeDauw>	 JohnLewis: the stalk word?
[18:36:54] <JohnLewis>	 JeroenDeDauw: Never mind that :p
[18:36:56] <JeroenDeDauw>	 lazowik: yeah, that is the current state AFAIK
[18:37:04] <JeroenDeDauw>	 lazowik: though I think someone is working on this
[18:37:13] <lazowik>	 and no docs on it?
[18:37:18] <JeroenDeDauw>	 lazowik: at the last we have some item on providing dumps in the API format
[18:37:18] <lazowik>	 (internal serialization)
[18:37:25] <JeroenDeDauw>	 lazowik: no docs
[18:37:32] <lazowik>	 lbenedix: ^
[18:37:32] <JeroenDeDauw>	 lazowik: people should just not use it ;p
[18:37:36] <lazowik>	 hehe
[18:37:45] <JeroenDeDauw>	 lazowik: I think it is quite bad we are exosing it at all now
[18:38:15] <JeroenDeDauw>	 lazowik: the only supported way to interpret this internal representation is by using the deserialization code for it that we have
[18:38:20] <JeroenDeDauw>	 ie in the Entity object
[18:38:28] <lazowik>	 then how to do stats et. al.?
[18:38:58] <lazowik>	 dumps are the only way for now if I understand correctly
[18:39:26] <JeroenDeDauw>	 lazowik: either wait untill we have proper dumps or try to guess what the stuff in our current ones means?
[18:39:34] <lazowik>	 mhm
[18:40:00] <lazowik>	 JeroenDeDauw: actually it's lbenedix who's interested
[18:46:23] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Fix path in MW test registration [extensions/WikibaseQueryEngine] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90579 
[18:46:44] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Fix path in MW test registration [extensions/WikibaseQueryEngine] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90579 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw)
[18:47:54] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Fix path in MW test registration [extensions/WikibaseQueryEngine] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90579 
[18:48:52] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 032] Fix path in MW test registration [extensions/WikibaseQueryEngine] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90579 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw)
[18:48:56] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS6) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Update gitignore. [extensions/WikibaseQuery] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/88966 
[18:54:49] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Update gitignore [extensions/WikibaseQuery] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/88966 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw)
[19:03:27] <Nikerabbit>	 FYI: PHP Notice:  Key 8:datatypes-type-quantity already belongs to ext-datatypes, conflict with ext-wikibase-lib
[19:03:59] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Abandoned) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Schema updating stub [DO NOT MERGE] [extensions/WikibaseQueryEngine] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/82630 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw)
[19:04:57] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Optimized imports [extensions/WikibaseQueryEngine] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90581 
[19:12:36] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 032 V: 032] Update docs and @since tags [extensions/WikibaseQuery] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/88739 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw)
[19:24:45] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-WikibaseQuery#66 (master - 8f0af16 : jeroendedauw): The build is still failing.
[19:24:45] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-WikibaseQuery/compare/b83e37279093...8f0af16cbe92
[19:24:45] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-WikibaseQuery/builds/12732324
[19:48:53] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Liangent: Fix {{#property: }} calls for missing property on wikis with LanguageConverter [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90636 
[19:57:03] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Liangent: Fix {{#property: }} calls for missing property on wikis with LanguageConverter [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90636 
[19:57:59] <JeroenDeDauw>	 huh, looks like not a lot of dev stuff happened... https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Status_updates/2013_10_18
[19:58:19] <JohnLewis>	 JeroenDeDauw: It's what Addshore said happened.
[19:58:20] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Perhaps due to Lydia_WMDE not being in the office and raging people into filling in the weekly?
[20:01:23] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS9) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Install and update the store when needed [extensions/WikibaseQuery] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/88753 
[20:02:33] <GerardM>	 <grin> you missed the new statistics by Magnus Manske
[20:02:54] <JohnLewis>	 GerardM: Nope, last weeks.
[20:03:10] <JohnLewis>	 Or did he update then?
[20:03:26] <GerardM>	 Nope there is a new statistic since today
[20:05:29] <GerardM>	 He now also looks at number of descriptions
[20:05:43] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Install and update the store when needed [extensions/WikibaseQuery] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/88753 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw)
[20:06:07] <GerardM>	 I even tweeted about it 
[20:06:23] <GerardM>	 have it on facebook :)
[20:09:17] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Liangent: Remove one hard-coded constant [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90643 
[20:15:06] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS10) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Install and update the store when needed [extensions/WikibaseQuery] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/88753 
[20:18:46] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Install and update the store when needed [extensions/WikibaseQuery] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/88753 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw)
[20:52:56] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS7) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Update gitignore [extensions/WikibaseQuery] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/88966 
[20:56:22] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Update gitignore [extensions/WikibaseQuery] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/88966 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw)
[21:05:18] <GerardM>	 can someone tell me how many labels there are at this moment (never mind in what language)
[21:41:22] <GerardM>	 http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2013/10/wikdata-needs-3780000000-labels.html
[22:12:40] <legoktm>	 GerardM: 40482128 labels
[22:12:51] <legoktm>	 in all languages for both items + properties
[22:19:58] <GerardM>	 Thanks :)
[22:23:27] <GerardM>	 legoktm: that is 0.010709558 of what we want :)
[22:27:14] <lbenedix>	 a lot of labels are the same in allmost every lang
[22:29:02] <GerardM>	 lbenedix true but we need them anyway
[22:30:43] <lbenedix>	 I suggested one way to get some of them on the mailinglist today...
[22:31:27] <lbenedix>	 using the existend fallback mechanism and let users check if it is right and save the label
[23:35:26] <Maria>	 oi
[23:35:38] <Reedy>	 wut
[23:35:47] <Maria>	 td bem?
[23:36:17] <JohnLewis>	 :O Reedy actually comments in here when not pinged 1000 times
[23:36:41] <Reedy>	 If I'm about..