[07:54:27] <GerardM>	 http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2013/10/my-moment-of-glory.html 
[07:54:35] <GerardM>	 it can happen to you
[08:00:20] <GerardM>	 <grin> should there be a statement of "instance of" "Wikimedian" ?
[09:47:05] <GerardM>	 Do I remember well that having one label is compulsory ?
[09:47:27] <legoktm>	 it's not
[09:47:39] <legoktm>	 though most bots which create items will also add the label
[09:49:09] <GerardM>	 I am writing about the statistics again ... this will be a story of the long tail
[10:01:12] <Philon>	 Is it possible to add links to other pages in the description?
[10:01:30] <GerardM>	 philon not in the description
[10:01:37] <Philon>	 ok
[10:01:42] * Philon  is quite new to Wikidata :P

[10:01:44] <GerardM>	 you link through the creation of statements
[10:02:28] <GerardM>	 and when you add one of Magnus's tools you will see a generated description based on those statements
[10:06:31] <Philon>	 Which script?
[10:06:42] <Philon>	 missing props.js?
[10:28:14] <GerardM>	 Have a read about that script  http://magnusmanske.de/wordpress/?p=64
[10:31:37] <GerardM>	 http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2013/10/statistics-beware-of-long-tail.html more about labels, red links and not found info
[10:32:00] <multichill>	 GerardM: We have over a million category items. Quick win: Define default descriptions in as many languages as possible and have a bot update these category items
[10:32:49] <GerardM>	 I really welcome comments ....
[10:33:17] <GerardM>	 multichill most articles have multiple categories ...
[10:33:31] <GerardM>	 I think it is still complicated
[10:34:06] <GerardM>	 NB the tool by magnus using statements to generate descriptions is powerful
[10:34:49] <GerardM>	 multichill it would be good when an entry in a category can be translated in a statement
[10:34:59] <multichill>	 GerardM: You're talking about something completely different
[10:35:13] <GerardM>	 however there is a lot of pollution in those categories
[10:35:40] <GerardM>	 ??
[10:35:59] <multichill>	 GerardM: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q8502170&curid=8475187&diff=79745470&oldid=27621097 <- this is adding 3 translations. It should be adding 100 translations
[10:37:49] <GerardM>	 <grin> I do not like categories that much 
[10:38:04] <GerardM>	 they are an ontology in their own right
[10:38:21] <multichill>	 No, I don't like them, but I do like the information contained in them
[10:38:33] <GerardM>	 yes
[10:38:38] <GerardM>	 I agree
[10:38:46] <TomT0m>	 GerardM, hello, you have quite a few javascript, what do you think of the idea of having a script based on class descriptions to make suggestion properties or consistency checks ?
[10:38:54] <multichill>	 So that's why I'm linking stuff together, so we can extract this information
[10:40:05] <multichill>	 It sucks not having a quick database server to do joins between the English Wikipedia and Wikidata.....
[10:41:03] <TomT0m>	 from what I can see scripts are domain knowledge based, so we need one script by domains, it would be more efficient to describe classes on wikidata
[10:47:55] <Amir1>	 hello I
[10:47:59] <Amir1>	 've some problem in API
[10:48:00] <Amir1>	 {'labels': {u'en': {'value': u"Category:'Allo 'Allo! seasons", 'language': u'en'}}, 'sitelinks': {u'enwiki': {'site': u'enwiki', 'title': u"Category:'Allo 'Allo! seasons"}}, u'description': {u'fr': u'page de catégorie de Wikipédia', u'pt': u'categoria de um projeto da Wikimedia', u'pt-br': u'categoria de um projeto da Wikimedia', u'it': u'categoria di un progetto Wikimedia', u'es':...
[10:48:01] <Amir1>	 ...u'categoría de 
[10:48:03] <Amir1>	 Wikipedia', u'fa':u'رده ویکی‌پدیا'}}
[10:48:32] <Amir1>	 I sent this but returns me "not-recognized" error
[10:49:00] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Bene: "Well, in the core Linker.php on line 2103 even the brackets are hardcoded, so I think it is good the way we have it now." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89698 (owner: 10Bene)
[10:50:31] <multichill>	 hi Amir1
[10:50:44] <Amir1>	 multichill: hi, I'm working on it
[10:50:49] <Amir1>	 It'll be done in no time
[10:50:52] <multichill>	 Cool
[10:51:28] <multichill>	 Drop the pt-br, it's the same as pt
[10:52:03] <Amir1>	 okay :)
[10:53:27] <multichill>	 And be careful to not add "Wikipedia"
[10:55:15] <multichill>	 Amir1: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/BotMultichill <- I'm linking things right now
[10:55:57] <Amir1>	 awesome
[10:56:31] <multichill>	 The approach is quite simple. I'm looking for an article and a category that have the exact same name and the article is in the category
[10:56:42] <multichill>	 For the English Wikipedia that gives 105346 results
[10:57:39] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Bene: (bug 47496) Use (hidden) preference for copyright acknowledgment [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89607 
[11:00:20] <Amir1>	 multichill: what do you think about proper description in English? "Wikimedia Category"?
[11:00:49] <multichill>	 Yes
[11:01:01] <multichill>	 nl is "Wikimedia categorie"
[11:01:12] <multichill>	 Oh, it's Wikimedia category btw in English.
[11:01:15] <multichill>	 No capital C
[11:01:57] <multichill>	 Amir1: Or maybe better, just take the translations from https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q4167836
[11:03:05] <multichill>	 But that does contain some errors.... hmm, difficult
[11:12:10] <Amir1>	 multichill: is it okay?https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dexbot
[11:15:14] <multichill>	 Amir1: Page de catégorie de Wikipédia
[11:15:58] <Amir1>	 fr description ?
[11:16:02] <Amir1>	 is it wrong?
[11:16:09] <Amir1>	 multichill: 
[11:16:15] <multichill>	 Wikipédia instead of Wikimédia
[11:17:02] <multichill>	 Amir1: ^
[11:17:10] <Amir1>	 okay
[11:17:11] <Amir1>	 done
[11:17:32] <multichill>	 Same for es
[11:18:41] <Amir1>	 done
[11:18:53] <Amir1>	 have you heard about this?
[11:18:55] <Amir1>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bug_management/Triage/20131024
[11:18:59] <multichill>	 German is Wikimedia-Kategorie
[11:19:04] <multichill>	 (that's de)
[11:19:05] <Amir1>	 can you do something about it?
[11:19:10] <Amir1>	 multichill: okay
[11:19:19] <Amir1>	 Capital K?
[11:19:32] <multichill>	 yup
[11:19:40] <multichill>	 Germans like their Capitals
[11:19:45] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Bene: Add an option in the user preferences to choose additional languages [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89859 
[11:19:47] <Amir1>	 :))
[11:19:49] <Amir1>	 okay
[11:20:40] <Amir1>	 what do you think about the bug triage?
[11:20:44] <Amir1>	 can you help us?
[11:21:21] <multichill>	 Sure, I'll join
[11:21:40] <Amir1>	 thank you
[11:24:37] <Amir1>	 multichill: I'm thinking about a little publicity 
[11:24:54] <Amir1>	 how we can advertise? do you have suggestions? 
[11:24:59] <multichill>	 You can start by sending an email to the announce list!
[11:25:22] <multichill>	 And update the topic of #pywikipediabot
[11:25:37] <Amir1>	 I don't knwo I have access to it or not (to the announce list)
[11:26:31] <multichill>	 You can just send an email and I'll leave it through moderation
[11:28:19] <Amir1>	 topic is done
[11:28:32] <Amir1>	 let me forward the mail to the announce 
[11:31:30] <Amir1>	 multichill: done
[11:34:38] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Bene: (bug 55731) escaped HTML-chars in wbclient-linkItem-goButton label [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89874 
[11:56:48] <lbenedix1>	 why are unused properties deleted?
[11:56:57] <lbenedix1>	 you dont reuse the ids, do you?
[11:57:24] <lbenedix1>	 I'm looking for P12 and P32
[13:20:02] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Bene: (bug 44876) add a table of content to item pages [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90755 
[13:20:12] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Raimond Spekking: "(1 comment)" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/84120 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[15:25:23] <multichill>	 When I see topics like https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Administrators%27_noticeboard#.E2.80.8EEmausBot I really wonder if Wikidata is populated by idiots....
[15:26:51] <JohnLewis>	 multichill: To be honest, they are posting there are some of the items may fail notability.
[15:26:51] <BartlomiejB>	 :)
[15:27:26] <multichill>	 So go to the person who runs the bot! This is like a child always going to the teacher
[15:27:59] <JohnLewis>	 multichill: But 'delete' right :p
[15:37:13] <TomT0m>	 eh, an administrator is omnipotent and omniresponsible :)
[15:38:28] <TomT0m>	 when are we stopping to create and delete those items ? we should create them once an for all and leave them alone
[15:48:37] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Umherirrender: SetClaim diff does not show qualifiers, rank and references [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90761 
[16:40:40] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Lydia_WMDE: not really, that is not related to anything I've proked at in the last year
[16:46:41] <UAwiki>	 Hello, is there any admin? not really urgent, just some edition about Mediawiki namespace
[16:48:14] <JohnLewis>	 UAwiki: Yes?
[16:48:41] <UAwiki>	 hi JohnLewis, just a little correction on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-Merge.js please
[16:48:53] <UAwiki>	 on the Spanish text
[16:48:57] <JohnLewis>	 Ok.
[16:49:16] <UAwiki>	 it says "unwatchOption: 'Eliminar los elementos fusionados de tu lista de seguimiento (se están)'," and it needs to be "(si están)"
[16:49:51] <UAwiki>	 se→si
[16:49:59] <JohnLewis>	 UAwiki: Done.
[16:50:21] <UAwiki>	 thank you very much :)
[16:50:29] <JohnLewis>	 Welcome :)
[16:50:40] <UAwiki>	 ok, good bye
[17:03:28] <GerardM>	 john lewis ... http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2013/10/wikidata-operation-fat-head-is-go.html
[17:04:13] <GerardM>	 JohnLewis where did you update the message ?
[17:04:30] <Sky2042>	 GerardM: I love that you blog, btw. :D
[17:05:21] <GerardM>	 Thank you :)
[17:05:48] <Philon>	 What's wrong with the section headings at RFD?
[17:05:51] <JohnLewis>	 GerardM: Check my contribs if it is about the es translation :)
[17:09:38] <Sky2042>	 on an aside, Lydia_WMDE, it would be nice to get wikispecies integration. :3
[17:10:01] <Reedy>	 lol.
[17:10:42] <GerardM>	 Sky2042 I would argue for adding lexical content
[17:10:53] <GerardM>	 it would add more usability to Wikidata
[17:11:12] <GerardM>	 Wikispecies is very much postage stamp collecting
[17:11:44] <Sky2042>	 GerardM: However, Wikispecies would be a lot simpler! :D
[17:12:00] <Sky2042>	 (From the nontech side)
[17:12:12] <GerardM>	 No it would not
[17:12:23] <GerardM>	 not if you know how nomenclature works
[17:13:29] <GerardM>	 I have worked on IPNI data about cacti and succulents.. it was an 80MB relational database and it is WAY more complicated than Wikipedia has it
[17:13:44] <TomT0m>	 Biologist are already working on species on Wikidata, basically Wikispecies is just a front-end to those datas
[17:15:32] <TomT0m>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Taxonomy_task_force
[17:16:10] <Sky2042>	 TomT0m: I'm Izno. :P
[17:16:22] <TomT0m>	 we should merge Wikispecies with reasonator :)
[17:16:32] <Sky2042>	 bahahahaha
[17:17:28] <GerardM>	 TomT0m That would be a good idea :)
[17:17:39] <TomT0m>	 Sky2042, but maybe it would be a political problem with wikispecians
[17:18:00] <Sky2042>	 TomT0m: Not least because Wikispecies /does/ still have /some/ useful information.
[17:18:02] <Sky2042>	 haha
[17:20:11] <TomT0m>	 hehe, what are those datas ?
[17:56:43] <TomT0m>	 what would be useful to Wikidata is a person who speaks and read both Chinese and English
[17:57:03] <TomT0m>	 the Chinese places are quite a few untranslatable one
[17:59:14] <TomT0m>	 maybe we could do some kind of automatic transliteration, if there is a good tool for that
[18:03:03] <TomT0m>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinyin
[18:07:06] <GerardM>	 there is an ISO standard for transliteration
[18:10:27] <TomT0m>	 pinyin seems quite popular in Wikipedia articles, I don't know if it's this standard
[18:11:17] <TomT0m>	 it's categorised as an ISO standard :)
[18:14:52] <GerardM>	 <grin> how about Google translate ?
[18:15:10] <GerardM>	 they probably looked into all these things before
[18:15:59] <TomT0m>	 not really suitable for a bot
[18:17:35] <TomT0m>	 last time I checked translation into Chinese was still pretty hard, even for Google :)
[18:18:46] <TomT0m>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q14059700 those items are fun to watch, absolutely no labels :)
[18:18:59] <TomT0m>	 the most linked intem with no label in english
[18:19:41] <TomT0m>	 http://translate.google.com/#auto/fr/%E9%A9%AC%E5%B1%BF%E9%95%87 Mayu Ville
[18:19:44] <TomT0m>	 not bad
[18:19:58] <TomT0m>	 Mayu Town
[18:20:18] <TomT0m>	 hard to validate though
[18:20:52] <TomT0m>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayu,_Hebei a duplicate maybe
[18:21:11] <TomT0m>	 or there is tons of Mayu in china
[18:22:24] <GerardM>	 TomT0m: There can be many synonyms
[18:22:52] <GerardM>	 and when it is a duplicate, it can be merged
[18:22:53] <TomT0m>	 yeah, I expect that :)
[18:24:04] <TomT0m>	 GerardM, we need something efficient to find them, for localities GPS coordinates and subdivision are a good start
[18:24:05] <GerardM>	 When you consider that it is probably a bot generated article :(
[18:24:47] <TomT0m>	 Byrial did magic into finding duplicates, did he checked Chinese administrative divisions ?
[18:30:56] <benestar>	 lol
[18:31:11] <benestar>	 the new merge api module does not work
[18:31:21] <benestar>	 it conflicts with itself
[18:31:58] <TomT0m>	 a merge is needed :)
[19:01:29] <TomT0m>	 Dexbot just invaded my watchlist
[19:03:43] <lbenedix1>	 what happened to property P12 and P32?
[19:41:58] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS25) 10Michał Łazowik: Extend API to support editing badges [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/82637 
[19:45:47] <lazowik>	 aaaand jenkins approves!
[19:45:59] <lazowik>	 Lydia_WMDE: addshore: ^ just taken off dnm \o/
[19:46:47] <lazowik>	 what's the record for the number of patch sets? :p
[19:51:32] <Lydia_WMDE>	 lazowik: \o/
[20:21:14] <benestar>	 lazowik: well, my second change had 29 patch sets ;)
[20:22:16] <lazowik>	 benestar: I'm on a good way to have more ;)
[20:22:27] <benestar>	 hehe
[20:26:46] <lazowik>	 'night
[23:13:37] <nikki>	 there's a banner showing up on wikidata now that says "until October 31" but it seems like it should really say "by October 31"
[23:19:17] <legoktm>	 er, what banner is it?
[23:19:36] <legoktm>	 cuz i dont see one :/
[23:20:39] <JohnLewis>	 nikki: Hi, the banner you are see is nothing to do with Wikidata and we unfortunately can not change the content. If you wish to bring that up in #wikimedia-stewards where it can be dealt with it, that would be nice :)
[23:21:08] <JohnLewis>	 legoktm: The banner is the FDC invitiation banner.
[23:21:16] <nikki>	 I was about to go to bed :/
[23:21:16] <legoktm>	 oh
[23:21:46] <JohnLewis>	 nikki: If you want to go, I'll chase it up for you :)
[23:22:16] <nikki>	 that would be nice :)