[00:15:48] I suggest reserving up to 9999 [00:18:02] My inspiration is Cambridge University usernames: it's the user's initials padded with numbers to give a username of at least 5 digits. [00:18:03] But users who developed the system are allowed to have 4 digit usernames; as are new users who join as full professors [00:19:15] Looking at how quickly we're creating properties and items on Wikidata, reserving the first 9999 ZIDs sound about right [00:29:38] I would be in favour of reserving a larger number too [00:30:10] it says we need reserved ids for languages... what exactly does that mean? there are thousands of languages with iso codes for example [00:33:32] Yes, if we reserve for languages, four digits would be good [00:33:46] Unless we only go for the current Wikimedia languages, that's only 300 [00:34:17] I'm not sure if we should do languages in reserved space [00:34:22] depends how you define wikimedia language, wikidata has various lists :/ [00:34:46] Indeed, but they're all in the hundreds [00:35:00] also are we going for all feasible IETF tags or just 639-3? (re @Nikki: depends how you define wikimedia language, wikidata has various lists :/) [00:36:11] Well, we're not going to represent the languages just to represent languages, but only if there's text we are going to generate in the given languages [00:36:17] 742 values for dct:language on lexemes... I don't think I'm dedicated enough to try and get that above 1000 :D [00:37:36] ah, that narrows it down a lot I imagine then [00:39:14] I'm afraid it does [01:46:34] Glottolog or ietf would be much preferred to 639-3 (re @mahir256: also are we going for all feasible IETF tags or just 639-3?) [12:15:14] > The interface should hide most of the Z-IDs. But sometimes, either in early versions of the system, when the interface isn’t sufficiently complete yet [12:15:15] In my experience these intermediate solutions stick around and, being used as such, make UI/UX design hard later. (re @wmtelegram_bot: Weekly newsletter #9: on reserved ZIDs https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia/Updates/2020-11-25) [17:32:32] True! We hope that this will all be before launch, so that there's not that much opportunity to stick [21:30:36] Languages are always on the move. ISO 639-3 and Glottolog aren't static. If we reserve space for all languages by following one of these standards, we need extra space. [23:31:37] We need to choose a better, more flexible standard than iso 639-3 to start with though.