[15:38:41] <wm-bb>	 <amire80> Mmmmmmmm, new messages to translate in the WikiLambda extension.
[15:38:56] <wm-bb>	 <amire80> Is there a difference between "Call" and "Invoke"?
[15:43:36] <wm-bb>	 <amire80> Wow, this also makes me realize that the Scribunto magic word {{#invoke}} is translated to a lot of languages, but not to Hebrew!!! How could I miss such a thing?!
[15:44:30] <wm-bb>	 <amire80> But maybe it's good because if Invoke is different from Call, then it's an opportunity to think about distinctive terminology.
[15:57:05] <wm-bb>	 <vrandecic> You'll be happy to hear that we're going to work on our terminology in the next few weeks!
[15:57:46] <wm-bb>	 <vrandecic> I'm checking for invoke
[16:35:40] <wm-bb>	 <vrandecic> Sorry, i can't find the word invoke in the Wikilambda messages. Can you give me a pointer? (re @amire80: Is there a difference between "Call" and "Invoke"?)
[16:39:12] <vrandecic>	 Hmm, the weekly was shared to Telegram but not to IRC, if I see it correctly
[16:39:39] <vrandecic>	 Here is this weeks weekly, with a focus on contributions by Nikki, Mahir, and Lucas: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia/Updates/2021-04-29 -- thanks to all!
[16:42:45] <wm-bb>	 <Nikki> I think bots can't see each other's messages
[16:46:28] <vrandecic>	 ah, OK, good to know! Then maybe better to switch off ComBot, as it either leads to double messages for the Telegram side or no message for the IRC side
[16:46:39] <wm-bb>	 <lucaswerkmeister> yeah, but the bot did post the tweet with the weekly update
[16:46:46] <wm-bb>	 <lucaswerkmeister> (which I guess then didn’t get mirrored to IRC?)
[16:46:51] <wm-bb>	 <vrandecic> Exactly
[16:47:09] <wm-bb>	 <lucaswerkmeister> +1 for disabling ComBot from my side btw
[16:49:55] <wm-bb>	 <Robin> Correct, bots can't see each other's messages. I think Telegram once wrote that it works like that to avoid endless loops, with bots that constantly respond to each other (re @Nikki: I think bots can't see each other's messages)
[16:51:23] <wm-bb>	 <jhsoby> yes, it's a hard limitation in Telegram, no way of getting around it (that i'm aware of)
[16:51:32] <wm-bb>	 <jhsoby> yes, it's a hard limitation in Telegram itself, no way of getting around it (that i'm aware of)
[17:49:38] <wm-bb>	 <amire80> Two messages:
[17:49:38] <wm-bb>	 <amire80> Invoke Z802 (If) with false predicate
[17:49:40] <wm-bb>	 <amire80> Invoke a function by calling the function-orchestrator (re @vrandecic: Sorry, i can't find the word invoke in the Wikilambda messages. Can you give me a pointer?)
[17:49:46] <wm-bb>	 <amire80> Both are in apihelp.
[18:03:26] <vrandecic>	 thanks, missed the subdirectory - yes, it is synonymous for "call" or "evaluate" here, it has no other meaning
[19:28:33] <wm-bb>	 <amire80> Other than "invoke", about which I'm still not entirely sure, translating today's new messages was very easy because I already translated the whole glossary to my language. Almost all the words in the new messages appear in the glossary.
[22:53:54] <wm-bb>	 <ntimakova> hi, abstract wikipedia! I have a question to you that is not immediate to what you currently do with wikifunctions and all, but is rather theoretical (or scientific if you will). Do you see any applications of the technology that you're building to the problem of vandalism on Wikipedia?
[22:56:12] <wm-bb>	 <ZI_Jony> @bd808, can @wmtelegram_bot include @combot messages for IRC?
[22:59:36] <wm-bb>	 <lucaswerkmeister> I can only think of very general applications, in the same way that having a wiki of functions might affect lots of activities in Wikimedia (re @ntimakova: hi, abstract wikipedia! I have a question to you that is not immediate to what you currently do with wikifunctions and all, but is rather theoretical (or scientific if you will). Do you see any applications of the technology that you're building to the problem of v
[23:00:09] <wm-bb>	 <lucaswerkmeister> maybe you could start to store some kind of vandalism detection rules (e.g. AbuseFilter rules?) on Wikifunctions
[23:01:55] <wm-bb>	 <Nikki> you could probably use functions in a similar way to constraint reports in wikidata, like someone edits the birth date to something implausible
[23:03:01] <wm-bb>	 <Nikki> that would probably only work for things like the infobox though? or maybe categories
[23:03:20] <wm-bb>	 <Nikki> it would need to be extractable somehow to pass to the function
[23:07:18] <wm-bb>	 <ntimakova> @lucaswerkmeister, Nikki - interesting! Currently, vandalism detection uses supervised ML to catch vandal edits post-factum. And some of the vandalism cases are barely distinguishable even to a human eye: things like ads that people place into relevant articles for example.
[23:07:46] <wm-bb>	 <jhsoby> it is not possible. It's a hard rule in Telegram itself that bots cannot see other bots' messages. (re @ZI_Jony: @bd808, can @wmtelegram_bot include @combot messages for IRC?)
[23:09:09] <wm-bb>	 <ZI_Jony> Shall I remove @combot?
[23:46:35] <wm-bb>	 <jhsoby> i can't really say ... does it have a purpose other than linking the tweets? (re @ZI_Jony: Shall I remove @combot?)
[23:58:22] <wm-bb>	 <ZI_Jony> We can use it's many features, but for that we need to upgrade. Annual fee for personal/non-profit $99.99, that's why I added only tweets option. You can see website for details info https://combot.org/ (re @jhsoby: i can't really say ... does it have a purpose other than linking the tweets?)