[14:26:28] nkomura: Morning; Simetrical (Aryeh Gregor, one of the people on your possible hires list) raised some questions about the Usability Initiative in #mediawiki a few hours ago that I was unable to answer [14:27:36] Most notably he asked to what degree the features we're implementing (especially the top-right positioning of the search bar) are backed up by the usability study, and why we don't have a public usability mailing list with archiving and the whole shebang [14:28:31] RoanKattouw: morning, roan. [14:28:41] one sec, chatting w/ aaron [14:28:58] (Don't feel obliged to jump straight into this, I know it's 7:30 and you're supposed to be out of office :D ) [14:39:40] i'm trying to be away from work, but it keeps following me [14:40:09] RoanKattouw: will you give me a little more context about the comment from simetrical? [14:40:22] Sure, sec [14:41:09] http://toolserver.org/~amidaniel/chanlogs/%23mediawiki/20090717.txt from about 13:30 [14:50:11] *nkomura glanced the texts [14:50:43] RoanKattouw: we are trying to communicate our recommendations and decisions through our project page as much as possible [14:51:32] and the usability study can back up how people used G-search over wiki search [14:52:11] because they couldn't find the search box in left nav [14:56:35] we do incorporate the feedback from the usability project page too, as you saw on the discussion page [14:57:20] the search solution trevor is mocking and prototyping are not final [14:58:15] it will be staged in prototypes for 3-4 weeks for request for comments [14:58:54] ok, i've got to run [14:58:56] bye [15:03:01] excellent question, why don't we have a public mailing list? [15:03:06] (i did recommend a list instead of the alias :) [17:14:48] :) [17:15:52] im in ur codebase merging ur changes [17:15:52] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/53399 [17:16:18] They're not live yet though [17:16:26] right on [17:16:36] Or are you holding off on putting it live till you've merged all of them? [17:17:03] right [17:17:10] i just wanted to check in before i left for the office [18:05:54] Ok dudes, I've merged yer acai-fixes tagged revs into wmf-deployment [18:06:02] can you double-check it's got everything you need for update today? [18:06:30] brion: Did you merge everything you marked as OK in CR? [18:06:51] RoanKattouw: i marked them as http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/tag/wmf-deployment [18:06:53] and OK :) [18:06:57] or resolved as appropriate [18:07:10] there were a couple where there were conflicts [18:07:20] in particular in Vector.php with the massive RTL rewrite [18:07:25] so i wanna make sure it's in the correct state [18:07:36] Hmm [18:07:40] Is test up again? [18:07:54] yep. lemme update it [18:08:55] yes, there's been lots of work done on vector - basically the whole thing's been refactored to make the RTL stuff work [18:08:57] TrevorParscal: You around? Brion's done reviewing stuff and pushed all of it to testwiki, can you browse around there and verify it works? [18:09:00] Ah [18:10:00] looking quite borked to me [18:10:06] Yup [18:10:07] right it's got the wrong styleversion [18:10:53] You mean $wgStyleVersion? Doesn't seem to matter, purge doesn't fix it for me [18:10:55] yup [18:11:10] well, the web server will be serving out the already-distributed production styles [18:11:11] the style sheets are definately out of date [18:11:34] i don't think we actually have infrastructure to show the not-yet-distributed styles [18:11:48] hmm [18:12:11] can you test locally for the moment? [18:12:14] OK guys I gotta run for 20 mins or so [18:12:33] I hope to be back before lunch time [18:12:38] locally [18:12:42] No, PT [18:12:50] Oh sorry P [18:48:19] brion: How did testwiki magically fix itself? [18:55:02] brion: Also, could you please merge http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/52823 as well? It's a trivial rev that adds some missing messages [18:55:38] RoanKattouw: by me syncing the updates? [18:55:42] moment [18:55:47] hehe [18:59:34] TrevorParscal: Holy shit, did you just wrap the accept/deny buttons in *nine* divs? [18:59:45] shhh [18:59:52] someone might hear you [19:00:06] And why'd you get rid of the long descriptions? [19:00:12] they are still there [19:00:15] they are underneeth [19:00:20] Oh yeah [19:00:39] I was instructed to make it look more like aarons original design [19:01:00] http://prototype.wikimedia.org/en-wp/index.php?title=Special:UsabilityInitiativeOptIn&from=Main_Page [19:01:15] Aah [19:02:02] but the wide image thing... I'm still not into the images being that wide (for small monitor's sake) and I think the text gets too disconnected... [19:02:08] still in flux i guess [19:02:43] I know the 9 divs seem insane, but its giving good results for scalable shiny rounded boxes [19:02:47] TrevorParscal: lunchtime! [19:02:55] I'm at home... [19:02:58] :( [19:04:07] RoanKattouw: so, i guess in old safari versions.. perhaps only on windows - the simplified search thing looks odd [19:04:21] Yeah someone mentioned that [19:04:21] aparently the custom submit button styles don't work [19:04:24] Safari on Windows? WTF? [19:05:19] http://expressionengine.com/wiki/Style_Form_Buttons_In_Safari/ [19:05:27] interesting [19:05:58] http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_button.asp [19:07:52] Hmm, the foreign file repo thing on prototype looks broken [19:08:48] Might have something to do with mdale breaking HttpFunctions.php [19:10:37] interesting [19:10:41] yes, I do notice it's broken [19:10:50] figured it was an issue with the upload stuff [19:10:56] but my localhost is still working [19:10:59] Yay, fixed [19:11:10] I scapped and it so happened Mike had fixed it a minute before that [19:12:16] Probably cause you've got cURL there [19:12:58] Mike also had cURL which is why he forgot to test the fallback for non-cURL setups [19:13:53] I'm going to get something to eat [19:14:05] heh I love how you use one IE6 bug to fix another in the CSS [19:14:07] you are leaving tomorow morning right? [19:14:25] Yes, local time [19:14:34] ha, yeah [19:14:34] you see that [19:14:35] evil but it working [19:15:11] brb [19:21:22] getting lunch at nations [19:21:28] be back in about 1hr [19:23:04] lol, you're bad Trevor [19:23:12] Even at home you're going out for lunch [19:23:28] seriously! [19:25:22] wow - http://xkcd.com/611/ [19:25:36] my wife seriously gets excited watching hurricanes too! [19:25:41] ok.. really going now [21:27:39] brion: how's deployment going? [21:27:53] over for several hours? [21:27:56] what revision is skins/Vector.php and skins/vector/ at in production? [21:28:02] wmf-deployment branch current [21:28:40] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/Vector.php?view=log [21:29:06] I noticed it's before r3384 [21:29:40] which makes sense - given what was tagged as acaifix [21:29:47] i merged what was asked and nothing else whatsoever [21:29:57] right on [21:30:01] that's what I figured [21:30:02] no worries [21:30:31] can we update further next week or so? I think that's when we are supposed to be deploying the RTL stuff [21:32:02] you didn't mark the rtl stuff? i thought that was the point [21:32:27] checking [21:36:10] ok - so, indeed we did mark the RTL stuff - ar.wikipedia.org looks good in IE6 [22:05:41] TrevorParscal: the current-page tab seems to be suppressing the hand icon [22:05:47] this is very confusing as it appears to still be an active link [22:06:58] ok - well, I think it's cool to keep it an active link, so we could just change the cursor to be a pointer... [22:19:00] yops [22:19:10] no sense hiding links :D [22:19:57] Yeah, I think it came from trying to make the cursor another indicator of where you are at, but it's sort of confusing as you pointed out [22:20:36] there's still bits and pieces of less than stellar experiments in Vector that are still getting shaken out... [22:27:46] :D [22:28:05] ive set wikitech wiki to use vector by default :D [23:27:22] TrevorParscal: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19800 [23:39:40] This was fixed a while back by including a div with id="mw-js-message" above the first heading [23:40:08] it's working on my localhost and also http://prototype.wikimedia.org/en.wikipedia.org/Main_Page [23:43:21] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/52849